Post by Dave on May 1, 2022 13:00:13 GMT -5
The Satan and Demons Question and Response – BibleProject
WOW – what an intelligent discussion!
This presentation is very Jewish and very Gnostic and 100% Christian
Robert – if you are brave enough to comment on this – I will discuss each and every line
This video is NOT – Roman Catholic Fallen Angels that hate God
This video is NOT – your satan deciding to change all God’s creation – all God’s Plan against God’s will
But it does include a sentence here or there that you will hear as validating Ellen White
This video is NOT Gnostic either - I don't necessarity disagree - but the authors of the agl/NT havegiven us more information that fills in more of the complete cosmology
This video is 100% - Seraphim – which they say are NOT angels – but a race of snake / serpent beings
This video touches upon Ezk 28 and Isa 14 – but focuses upon the totality of scripture
Precept upon precept, line upon line
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My comments in red
Different views of Gen 3
1 – The serpent has its own ‘Fall’ – and that story is not provided – it is assumed
This would be Catholic Fallen Angels – provided by Rome and is not in agreement with Judaism
Or – Gnostic Beast and archon – provided by the agl/NT authors and is 100% Jewish demonology
2- Gen 3 is the fall of both man and serpent
Have looked at this teaching
Not consistent with Rev 12 Beast who appeared fully formed ready to consume
Not consistent with Gen 1:2 – chaos and darkness
Not consistent with Jesus Christ – liar and murder from the beginning (in the beginning)
2:55 – Robert questions if the serpent was aware of God Plan before Eve
This video makes the point that the serpent was – arum – a POSITIVE trait
Seraphim – snake creatures – serpent race
4:55 – he does call the seraphim a fallen creature – just like man is a fallen creature
But he also says this is by God’s design
His point – it is a twin rebellion – on the earth human level and on the spiritual level
Gnostic – later in the video he will define the serpent as anti-everything – anti-creation – devours and consumes and always has been = ENTROPY
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5:40 – the Seraphim are SNAKES – serpents = serpent race
vrs – the burning ones
Confusion about the Hebrew language
8:16 – a Seraphim with wings – a flying snake
8:45 – very Jeff Brenner – 3 letter root Hebrew stems
10:12 – The Error of Strongs Numbers = the author’s theology impact upon his definitions
Flying snakes – heavily host – around the thrones of ‘other gods’
12:30 – Isa 14 is all about the King of Babylon
12:50 – This is so interesting – Not that the Beast want to raise his throne above God’s as Rome teaches
Just a POWER GRAB
Gnostic – this is the Kingdom of the Beast and the archon – the serpent race – they THINK they run the place
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13:30 – correctly defines LUCIFER – a Roman (Latin – St Jerome 104AD) invention – 300AD common part of the Fallen Angel Theology
14:55 – 100% Gnostic – he quotes Paul as saying I can be your satan / devil – and you can be my satan / devil
16:38 – Canaanite mythology validate by scripture
18:30 – 100% Gnostic – technically a Seraphim – his serpent race – snake – IS NOT AN ANGEL
But is a heavenly being –
YES – Agree – a different creation – a different group – a different race of beings – the serpent race
Host of heaven – God’s heavily crew
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19:30 - Satan in popular culture –vrs- scripture
The Satan = the Opposer - Not a name
20:45 -Hebrew satan can mean many different people – or heavily beings
21:30 – whatever this creature is – giving it a Proper Name assigns too much honor and dignity to it
MY WORDS EXACTLY – Robert’s Ellen White elevates satan to godhood – the god of evil
21:38 – THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THIS CREATURE (the serpent race) IS ANTI-CREATION
22:00 – IT IS A QUITE REVOLUTION – to redefine Catholic Fallen Angels back to a more scriptural / Jewish view = Gnostic Christianity
22:35 – translators support the tradition
HOW CAN WE DEFINE A CREATURE THAT IS ANTI-CREATION?
24:00 - his answer – the devil = the dragon = the snake
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25:00 – Gen 1:1 – he call the precreation state
Gnostic – the First Age – as in dispensation
Jewish – the time of spiritual heaven before physical earth
28:55 – “pre-creation state”
I listened to this over and over – maybe I don’t get it
Have always been taught – before Gen 1:1 there was only God
He is suggesting that the chaos and boiling state co-existed with God – and out of it he made the tov
Not Gerald Schroeder – not Kabbalah – not Jewish as I have listened to the videos from Chabad.org – not Gnostic
Before Gen 1:1 – there was ONLY ONE TRUE GOD – one true Creator
He created the – Heavens FIRST
There was a time – an age – of spirit only – things happened during this age – it was an age of tov
The Host of heaven were there – angels and man - spiritual
BUT – somehow the darkness and chaos came about
Jewish – God created the earth = physicality
Ancient Gnostic - this is when God created the physical
NHL Gnostic – this was NOT just rocks and trees or dirt – they have done nothing wrong
NHL Gnostic – this was the first sentient creature – the first creature that could think – and be selfish (SELF)
There is a physical creation – it include ra – volcanoes and sun spots are all part of nature’s balance
THIS IS NOT A SIN
The First Archon was (yester ra)
Cows are (yester ra)
Ants are (yester ra)
Spiritual man from the Host of heaven is (yester tov)
Man = (yester tov)+(yester ra)
Man is the creature that can choose
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27:30 – his version of de-creation – creation being dragged back into the chaos = Gnostic Entropy
MUCH VOCABULARY in Pharaoh being defeated IN THE SEA
This was my study with ‘hal’ at AHR – God of the sea vrs god in the sea
27:55 – 10 and 10 = multi-dimensionalism
28:34 – satan = anti-creation = Gnostic Entropy
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29:15 – Demon SEX – Gen 6
30:15 – the inclusion of – other information – data from the 99%
The religions of the 99% are in some way based upon the Nephilim
All over the OT narrative
Jewish /NHL Gnostic = the Rephiem
31:15 – how do these spiritual beings have sex with women
A DISCUSSION OF SPIRIT BODIES – NOT LIKE US
Sodom and Gomorrah – connection to Gen 6
1st Cor 15 -
34:00 – not like ghost – Correct but it is complicated
Gnostic solution – multi-dimensionality
We are 3D - they are muti-dimensional beings
This is why some have simultaneous 4 - 6 faces – or 4-6 wings
They look like humans – he is speaking about angels
King Solonon describe the shedim as something more gross that can shape shift
Gnostic calls them aborted products of creation – that can shape shift
Gen 3 – replays in Gen 6 – replays in Sodom and Gomorrah
He says – a combined human / spiritual rebellion
NHL Gnostic - this is the Contest playing out over and over – age after age
39:25 – again another reference to the ‘other gods’ of the 99% - Gilgamesh
40:30 – this was the common understand – the common knowledge – the theology of the Jewish people at the time of Jesus Christ – Belzebul and the shedim – Enoch –
41:00 – this screwed up union between bane elohiym somehow fathers the ‘other gods’ of the 99% the warrior Kings of old – who were the mediators between gods and man – that survive to this day with a genetic link to the Rephiem that allows possession – David Ike’s 13 Families that rule the world!
41:20 – this was the Jewish theology of the time of Jesus Christ – LATER IT WAS CHANGED – Roman edit
42:00 – Evil exist in this world and is always intertwined with man
Gnostic – Contest – Gen 3:15