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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 17:41:05 GMT -5
Answered many times - over and over You just do not want to hear
There is only One True God Man can experiece His spirit which is Holy Man can experiece His form which is Christ
You only want to teach doubt - it is so obviouse - and we all know who you are
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 16:10:11 GMT -5
Greetings Dave,
Are you so rude as not acknowledge my post about your belief?
What you mean to say was ""Jesus did not exist as a human, until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy""
SO I take it you do not believe this statement of mine either?
D:"There is only One True God Man can experience His spirit which is Holy Man can experience His form which is Christ
R" What Dave actually posts is this:
There is only One True Father EL in heaven. Man can experience The Father's spirit which is Holy Man can experience The Father's Form which is Christ
You deny the Father and His Son, Dave.
"1Jo 1:1 ¶ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
R" This says the Father and the SON. The disciples declared they handled and saw the SON.
(scripture says nobody has ever seen the Father, or lived.... but disciples saw the Son....)
" Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
R" You didn't really explain this to me.
How can the Father bring a different expression from the Father before the Father, so the Father presents to the Father's form a kingdom. And this form is called the Son of Man, a expression of the Father, His spirit and His form.
Romans 1:20 says we are to seek natural science examples of the invisible Father?
OK show me a natural example of the Father like this? Something that is both gender male and gender female, and of three forms of the same thing? Yet different?
Octopus maybe? You can cut the body into a head and two arms and you have the same entity with different expressions. Genetically they are the same. The two arms grow back into Octopus that look identical to the Father one.
You can play pretend role games one is a Father , the other a Son, and call them in Scripture this way.
You deny the Father has also a Son from eternity. You deny Scripture.
How do Messanic Jews reconcile this SON and not partake multiple gods than, as you claim?
D"You only want to teach doubt -
R" I want to know truth, and you refuse to study truth...
Why are there three "el's" in Scripture?
el shadday mother/HS eloah Father/Most High and emmanu-el Son
And only one true elohiym power, who is named as a family in heaven (Eph 3:15)
So who is not supporting Scripture? You ignore the studies.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 21, 2022 2:45:13 GMT -5
What you mean to say was ""Jesus did not exist as a human, until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy"" SO I take it you do not believe this statement of mine either? I have no idea of the word game you are playing Christ = God and pre-existed Mary Each and every time you see God in the ahl in the form of a man it is Christ
The Son of Man Jesus was born of Mary
D:"There is only One True God Man can experience His spirit which is Holy Man can experience His form which is Christ
R" What Dave actually posts is this:
There is only One True Father EL in heaven. Man can experience The Father's spirit which is Holy Man can experience The Father's Form which is Christ
"1Jo 1:1 -2 R" This says the Father and the SON. The disciples declared they handled and saw the SON. (scripture says nobody has ever seen the Father, or lived.... but disciples saw the Son....) Absolutely correct – no man can see the Father God is greater than His creation God is outside of our creation God is bigger than our creation E= mc2 – E is on the other side of out reality But those of us on the mc2 side can experience God as the m (form) or as the c2 (spirit)
How can the Father bring a different expression from the Father before the Father, Neh 5:7 Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles,… Psa 4:4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.
Romans 1:20 says we are to seek natural science examples of the invisible Father? ABSOLUTLEY NOT – SCRIPUTE SAYS NO SUCH THING Ellen Whites 18th century coal and oil burring at depth causes earthquakes and volcanoes is a big fate error – your made up science makes the faith look stupid The made up science of creationism does not bring people to the Lord – it send the educated as far away from the Bible as possible
The more scripture you wish to rewrite and the fake science you offer – do not witness for the Lord
OK show me a natural example of the Father like this? Something that is both gender male and gender female, and of three forms of the same thing? Yet different? This is the presentation Christin children learn in Sunday School
Coin = heads and tails You can never see as coin (we use an American quarter) You can never see the quarter – because we are limited to our perspective All man can ever see is heads – or tails When man interacts with heads – man is interacting with the quarter When man interacts with the tails – man is interacting with the quarter
Why can’t man see the Father – because He is bigger than our creation He is the Father of our creation – and within this creation we can see His form or experience His spirit
Jewish duality – Father and Spirit Became Christian Trinity – Father – Spirit - Son
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 18:09:55 GMT -5
Rp" How can the Father bring a different expression from the Father before the Father,D"Neh 5:7 Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles,…R" Ne 5:7 Then I consulted <malak> with myself <leb>, and I rebuked <riyb> the nobles <chor> Ne 5:7 Then Nehemiah ruled from his heart, and I rebuked the nobles It's a Hebrew idom, saying He spoke from his feelings of emotion, rather than cognitively You are wrong again my friend.... RP" Romans 1:20 says we are to seek natural science examples of the invisible Father?D" ABSOLUTLEY NOT – SCRIPUTE SAYS NO SUCH THINGR" Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: OK so what is this verse saying to you Dave? Says to me the invisible things of the Father are portrayed from the creation, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, so nobody has no excuse for not understanding what the Father is like. D "Ellen Whites 18th century coal and oil burring at depth causes earthquakes and volcanoes is a big fate error – your made up science makes the faith look stupidR" so you mock, is another point you wish to raise?, or a point to add mockery to your mocking? D" The more scripture you wish to rewrite R" I do not rewrite Scripture, I translate the Scripture originally as it was written in Hebrew, to English. The Greek NT is a poor translation of the Hebrew NT, which no longer exists, except maybe Matthew? D" Why can’t man see the Father – because He is bigger than our creationR" CORRECT, but who's arguing the size of the Father, who is not of matter? you are off the theme again? I am talking about natural science creation similes of the Father, similes of function perhaps? D" and within this creation we can see His form or experience His spiritR" yes ROmans 1:20 SO what natural thing is a simile of the Father than, according to your view? My view is simple, a Father in a divine Family, as a simile of fathers in a family on earth. simple simile. I got lots of Bible proof for this idea too. Now what is your view and your example of the natural simile of GOD Dave? Octopus perhaps? I cannot think of one, and certainly never spoken in Scripture. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2022 2:30:18 GMT -5
Rp" How can the Father bring a different expression from the Father before the Father, Your god is so limited and smallMY God can be on His throne – on the Cross – and in Communion with 25 million people all at the same time – while he is busy doing 100 million other things – while listening and answering 300 million prayers all at the same time----------------- RP" Romans 1:20 says we are to seek natural science examples of the invisible Father? D" ABSOLUTLEY NOT – SCRIPUTE SAYS NO SUCH THING R" Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: OK so what is this verse saying to you Dave?It does not say make up pseudo-science It says just look at the empirical evidence – just let the evidence speakD"Ellen Whites 18th century coal and oil burring at depth causes earthquakes and volcanoes is a big fate error – your made up science makes the faith look stupid R" so you mock, is another point you wish to raise?, or a point to add mockery to your mocking? The Point is the cultural perception of “CONFLICT THESIS” – the term coined in the 1860s But the idea that CHURCH / Religion / Christianity and science are in conflict originated in 1600 with Copernicus, Galileo, and Giordano Bruno 1600 Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for saying – stars are suns and may have planets – and on the smaller scale – everything is made up of small particles that may have worlds all of their own Galileo died under house arrest because he published the works of Copernicus – the sun is the center of our solar system Sorry Robert – this only makes the church and Christianity stupid - wrong – errorMedicine was held back by 200 years because the church forbid research on cadavers – inventing the crime of grave robbing Darwin published – Williams Jennings Bryon – proved to the whole world that the church and religious zealots were stupid and just wrong – Evolution kicked the churches ass Sorry Robert – this only makes the church and Christianity stupid - wrong – errorFor creationist to come out in the name of the religion and promote fake science Sorry Robert – this only makes the church and Christianity stupid - wrong – errorD"Why can’t man see the Father – because He is bigger than our creationR" CORRECT, but who's arguing the size of the Father, who is not of matter? you are off the theme again? D"and within this creation we can see His form or experience His spirit R" yes El = Christ – Holy Spirit E = mc2 E = visible – invisible E = corruptible – incorruptible God = earth – heavens Christian Trinity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 17:42:05 GMT -5
D" MY God can be on His throne – on the Cross – and in Communion with 25 million people all at the same time – while he is busy doing 100 million other things – while listening and answering 300 million prayers all at the same timeR" Yes , my god does that too....How? I dunno. D" It does not say make up pseudo-science It says just look at the empirical evidence – just let the evidence speakR" so you agree we look for the evidence.... but you do not supply me with any from Nature? D" Sorry Robert – this only makes the church and Christianity stupid - wrong – errorR" You misrepresent true Creation religion, were open to investigate God in his Nature.... It was the bigotry of the Roman Catholicism that caused the dark ages, not the true religion of God. Pasteur, Hooke, Father of geology, father of genetics, Newton, etc; were all Creation science people who loves Scripture, and did not hold back investigating science. D" For creationist to come out in the name of the religion and promote fake scienceR" What fake science? Kinds? Research into DNA kinds is yet to happen, does not mean the Bible is false or the ideas of kinds is false. The idea has not been falsified yet. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2022 9:08:39 GMT -5
D" MY God can be on His throne – on the Cross – and in Communion with 25 million people all at the same time – while he is busy doing 100 million other things – while listening and answering 300 million prayers all at the same time R" Yes , my god does that too....How? I dunno.Yet – you cannot understand how Christ on earth can commune with God on the throneD"It does not say make up pseudo-science It says just look at the empirical evidence – just let the evidence speak R" so you agree we look for the evidence.... but you do not supply me with any from Nature?What is – WEDD + FD-WEDT + Incremental Creation – letting the evidence speak!D"Sorry Robert – this only makes the church and Christianity stupid - wrong – error R" You misrepresent true Creation religion, were open to investigate God in his Nature....DON PATTON is not an honest or truthful presenter of standard science – he deliberately misrepresents science – so he can mock his own version of it Walter Veith is not an honest presenter of the facts – the Kabbalah never calls Jesus Christ the satan Both these men you offer as fact and factual - deliberately misrepresent the truth– so they can mock their own version of it It is exactly your style – misrepresent – twist – distort then argue against your own misstatementswere open to investigate God in his Nature....Creationist – such as the Institute for Creation research is not open to peer review Stop your lies NOW!Creation science as presented by you – your favorite theologians – Is not factual They want you to take sides - deny the world - deny scientist - be thier enemy - stay apart You even claimed they are not even worth witnessing to because they belive in science 100% NOT a Christian teaching It was the bigotry of the Roman Catholicism that caused the dark ages, not the true religion of God. Correct – Catholic satan was everywhere – in the water – in the air – responsible for sickness Christ came – gave the world the Good News Rome – ushered in the Dark Ages – and told men to stop bathing - kill cats - live among the rats - and die of the plague - does this sound like a godly movement? Pasteur, Hooke, Father of geology, father of genetics, Newton, etc; were all Creation science people who loves Scripture, and did not hold back investigating science.YES – and all these men are recognized scientist in the science community Don Patton – Walter Veith – Ken Hamm – the ICR – are NOTThey are promoters of pseudo-science Don Patton was forced to remove his fossilized cowboy boot as a fraud ICR – would not even read my paper – sent it back with a request for donations D"For creationist to come out in the name of the religion and promote fake science R" What fake science? Almost all of it – it is scientific bull shit – all of it is fake scienceDoes ICR agree with WEDD + FD-WEDT ANSWER – they wouldn’t even look at it ------------------------- P.S. I have been looking at more of Don Patton's workPLEASE - post more of him - and prove he is an honest presenter I beg you - Please - post him and then defend himOr - retuen to your origional favorite Don Patton video and defend it You already gave up once!Don Patton and Creation Ministriesponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/492/don-patton-creation-ministriesDon Patton is a LIAR - he harms the Christan faith Don Patton is a salesman - and what does he sell Don Patton proves beyound any doubt that religeious zealotes are full of shit I cannot imagine any American science educated person watching Don Patton and beleve any of it Please BRING IT ON!Don Patton's Spider died - and did not move or decays for the sediment rate of 1cm per 100,000 years to cover it - then it fossilized Don Patton's Fish - science says you can lay a fish in the back yard and watch it turn into a fossil Don Patton's tiny little stream carved out the 600 million year old canyon Don Patton's limestone formations within 30 years - science mandates it must have taken million of years Lie - missrepresent = pseudo-science = made-up scienceWHY must proof include lies of the counterpoint - so scholarly - so academicly honest 100% creationist christian - I distance myself as far away as possible Incremental Creation - fits all paradygms - fits all evidence - includes all exceptions - fits the genetic record - fits the geologiacl record - fits the fossil record - fits the scriptural record All the evidence points to the Intelligent Design Our mission (Jer 1:5) is to introduce people to the Intelligent DesignerThe point is to introduce all the people to the One True Creator It all speaks to the same creation story - it happened God's way and no other
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