Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2022 14:12:25 GMT -5
Gnostic Christianity – accepts empirical data – regardless of source
Why? – because things only happened one way – God’s way
Gnostic Christianity is very Jewish at heart – because Judaism is the foundation theology
Jesus Christ was a Jew – as well all His audience – and all His disciples
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
POINT – Jewish theology remains
Jesus Christ simply added the Gospel to it
The agl/NT Gospel – repentance - salvation – redemption –life after death - but also
The agl/NT Gospel – speaks to our struggle against NT satanas – who is of the Beast of Revelation
What is the ancient Jewish view of our reality – of God’s creation
1- There is Only One True God – and he created it all – the tov and the ra – because God is absolute
2- There is a gap – within Day 1 between (God created the heavens) and (the earth)
3- What is that gap? = The Age of Spirit – all the hosts of heaven were created on Day 1
4- Hosts of heaven – include Angels, Man, - other life forms possibly – and the Archon
Jewish Kabbalah = Spiritual man was called Adamus – the Perfect Race of Man
Jewish Legend / Myth = it was Adamus + Lilith that fathered the archon/shedim
Which leads to the choshek of Gen 1:2
Jews do not offer this as anything other than myth – because they simply lack enough information
The Gospel of Jesus Christ adds – The Apocalypse of Gnostic John – The Revelation of John
Rev 1:9 I, John, who also am your brother, and fellow-partner in the tribulation, and in the reign and endurance, of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ;
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,
Rev 1:11 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, 'What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'
1- John was in the spirit – Communion with the Spirit – spirit to Spirit communication
2- John wrote what he saw
The Gospel of Jesus Christ also adds – the Letter from Gnostic Paul to the Romans
Rom 1:19 Because that which is known of God is manifest among them, for God did manifest it to them,
Rom 1:20 for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead—to their being inexcusable;
Modern science has come very close to completely validating God’s word
No geneticist accepts evolution
Many scientist from many specialties embrace Intelligent Design
Einstein and Elon Musk refer to the God of Spinoza – the Intelligent Designer of Mathematics
Cosmetologist all agree – it all started at one focal point – Big Bang – God said
Cosmetologist all agree – the next step was expansionism – The Word went out
Cosmetologist all agree – there was a delay before LIGHT appeared – darkness
Cosmetologist all agree – the duality of light is the foundation of our reality
It is a thing – but is best described as a wave – measured in wave length = one quantum unit of E
The reality is that reality is built upon tiny packets of E that can only be described as a non-corporeal thing / a non-thing
The reality is that physical 3D reality is built up by tiny packets of non-thing
Which begs the question – is this reality an illusion – a hologram
The Revelation of the 1990s String Theory Physics – simply validated Jewish Kabbalah
The 10th Century Zohar speaks to 10 dimensions of reality – 10 heavens
The Book of Creation – dated before Christ says 10 is the number – not 9 not 11
FYI – the Book of Creation is also the text that says the 22 Hebrew letters formed the template for creation
The Word God spoke was Hebrew and as the letters went out they got together and formed words which became matter
How did Adam know a dog was to be named a dog?
Answer – Adam saw a D come down from heaven – then an O – followed by a G and it barked – so Adam called to DOG
String Theory Physics –The 10th Century Zohar - 10 dimensions of reality – 10 heavens
1st D = a singularity that contains all data – all knowledge and power
This is a singularity that cannot be located – no man can see the E – no man can see the face of God
2nd D = The Word went out – expansion / distance / time – medium /matrix / ether – ethereal reality
This is the Glory of God – that sustain the all – good and bad - omnipresent spirit
3rd D = the 1st D expressed via the 2nd D – to form the 3D – corporeal reality
ADD – the creation event / big band = 10D – we actually live in a 10D multiverse
POINT - 2nd D = The Word went out – expansion / distance / time
Why do cosmetologists call it ‘space-time’ – as if space and time are the same thing
Answer – expansion = distance from the source
How do we measure distance = the time it takes to get there
How do we measure time = the distance we travel to get there
Example how far away is another star = light years away – the distance light can travel in one earth year
Example how long is one earth year = the time it take to travel the distance of one orbit
Time is a variable in our reality E = mc2 – c2 – the graph of any exponent = a curve
Time is not linear – time is a curve and a varible
Time is a variable - Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day just passing by, or like a watch in the night.
Time is a variable - 2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
Time stood still for Joshua – Jos 10:12 Then Joshua spoke to Adonai, on the day Adonai gave the Amorites over to Bnei-Yisrael, and said in the eyes of Israel: “Sun, stand still over Gibeon, Moon, over the Aijalon Valley!”
Jos 10:13 So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance on its enemies. (Is it not written in the Book of Jashar?) Thus the sun halted in the middle of the sky, and did not hurry to go down for about a full day.
Jos 10:14 There was no day like that before it or after it, when Adonai listened to the voice of a man. For Adonai fought for Israel.
Time ran backward for Hezekiah - 2Ki 20:9 Then Isaiah said, “This will be the sign to you from Adonai, that Adonai will do this word He has spoken: Should the shadow go forward ten steps or go back ten steps?”
2Ki 20:10 Hezekiah answered, “It’s easy for a shadow to go forward ten steps; no, let the shadow turn back ten steps.”
2Ki 20:11 Then Isaiah the prophet cried to Adonai; and He brought the shadow ten steps backward, by which it had gone down on the sundial of Ahaz.
Modern science as in multidimensionality –
10 Heavens from Jewish Kabbalah
10 Heavens from Enoch
10 Heaven from Paul – Apocalypse of Paul (AKA – 3rd Letter to Corinth)
+ Agreement across Paul and Enoch
1D E Singularity = 2D omnipresent medium (space-time) – 3D = physical reality – a non-thing holographic illusion
1D expressed as the 2D = the word goes out – Holy Spirit radiates – expansion/medium
1D expressed as the 3D – the image of God – Christ – Jesus Christ = God incarnate
1D = 2D-3D
E = c2 m
POINTS
1- Alpha and Omega – God at both extremes – 1D Singularity and God’s Throne in the 7th heaven
2- Jewish debate – 10 heaven = 10 types of angels one for each / God is alone and above the rest = 9 types of angels one for each of the 9 remaining heavens
3- Heavens 1-7 (D1-7) = the heavens (plural of Gen 1:1) – ethereal - spirit
4- Our 3D reality = the physical – our universe – our 1/10th of the ALL – corporeal
5- Heaven 1 – the closest realm to 3D man – (call it 4th D) – is a mix between The heavens above and the 3D physical world below
6- Heaven 1 is the home of the archon – not in heaven near God – but invisible near man
God’s creation began with the heavens – plural – the Age of spirit
Both Jews and (NHL) say a lot happened during this age
For the Jews – this was the age when Adamus and Lillith fathered the shedim
For the Jews and many Christian – Jer 4 speak to this age before the foundation of the world were laid
For the (NHL) – this age ended when the First sentient being was created with some matter
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
(NHL) – that First Archon was pushed out of the heavens – cast to earth – Rev 12-7-9
POINT
1- the archon are not in heaven near God – they are invisible near us
2- they are made with some matter – closely related to us - allows Gen 6 at the extreme
3- They have always been the Jewish devils – they have always been the other gods of the 99%
Heaven 3 = Paradise and a back side – a dark side filled with torment
Book of Enoch
8:1 AND those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and san the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness.
2 And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by them bubbling with fragrant exhalation.
3 And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.
4 Its root is in the garden at the earth's end.
5 And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
6 And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and in corruptibility.
2Co 12:2 I know a man in Messiah (whether in the body I don’t know, or whether out of the body I don’t know—God knows)—fourteen years ago, he was caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body I don’t know—God knows)—
2Co 12:4 he was caught up into Paradise and heard words too sacred to tell, which a human is not permitted to utter.
3rd heaven = Paradise – Eden
1- from where Adam and Eve stepped down from to enter the lower world
2- the only heaven promised in Islam
Book of Enoch
10:1 AND those two men led me upon to the Northern side, and showed me there a very terrible place, and there were all manner of tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, and there is no light there, but murky fire constantly flameth aloft, and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place is everywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst and shivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful and merciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and I said:
2 'Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.'
3 And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for those who dishonour God, who on earth practise sin against nature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion, magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and who boast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour, fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls of men, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich, injuring them for other men's goods; who being able to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able to clothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator, and bowed down to soulless (sc. lifeless) Gods, who cannot see nor hear, vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow down to unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place amongst these, for eternal inheritance.
3rd heaven also the place of torment
5th heaven - contains a jail/prison - Grigori in chains
Book of Enoch
17:1 IN the midst of the heavens I saw armed soldiers, serving the Lord, with tympana and organs, with incessant voice, with sweet voice, with sweet and incessant voice and various singing, which it is impossible to describe, and which astonishes every mind, so wonderful and marvellous is the singing of those angels, and I was delighted listening to it.
Angels are created to serve and praise
18:1 THE men took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori, of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and there was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:
2 Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and wherefore is there no service on this heaven?
3 And they said to me: These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on to earth from the Lord's throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon 1 and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity.
4 And therefore God judged them with great judgement, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord's great day.
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Jud 1:6 And the angels—who did not keep their own position of authority but deserted their proper place—He has kept in everlasting shackles under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great Day.
2Pe 2:4 For God did not spare angels when they sinned, but threw them into Sheol. He put them in chains of gloomy darkness, to be held until the judgment.
7th Heaven – a Jewish expression meaning joy and excitement – the location of God’s Throne – the highest heaven
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What do the Catholics do to this reality – They have only 3 dimension – Heaven – Earth - Hell
they separate heaven and hell into two different kingdoms and a god for each
God and God’s heaven for the righteous –and- satan’s kingdom called hell
Heaven above – and eternal life - tov
Earth
Hell below – and eternal damnation - ra
Catholic Theology – satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) Fell – then created his own kingdom called hell (a second creation)
satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) – wants to fill his kingdom with souls – as in a stealing them from God for his own
satan (Ezk 28 Isa14) also created the demons and evil spirits that rule his kingdom filled with the souls of corrupted men (a second creation)
At least the Catholics separate God and satan into two different kingdoms
At least the Catholic embrace the Trinity
At least the Catholics embrace the concept of eternal life
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Roberts SDA Great Controversy – as presented by Robert and my internet search
satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) Fell from God’s Grace – recreated his form and function as the god of ra
Then satan – changed God’s Plan against God’s Will
Robert has no hell – only the grave
Roberts satan is in heaven facing off with God on an equal footing - the cosmic tov –vrs- ra struggle first presented by Zoroaster – a God of tov and a god of ra locked in an eternal conflict
Heaven – God –vrs- satan
Earth – a general of satan god – ‘sar’
Robert absolutely deny the concept of spirit – man is only biology nothing more
Robert absolutely deny the promise of eternal life – man did not pre-exist his biology and dies to the grave to await resurrection – then reborn to live again
Robert agreed at one time that all men pass through proportional punishment
But now say – man’s only hope is the grave – then resurrected to reign with the Lord
When asked about when does he have time for any proportional punishment – he now says it happens after the First resurrection as we reign with God
Add the fact that Robert will do or say anything to deny the reality of One True God – he cannot even decide how many creator gods he has 3-maybe 4 he admits
Either Robert is an agent for satan – and his only goal is deny everything Jewish and Cristian
Or Robert is just an ass that argues against everyone and anything – because he cannot help himself
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Man is made in the image of God
God came to earth as a man (God incarnate) – witnessed (Gospel) – and retuned to God
God came to earth as a man (God in a biological body) - Jer 1:5 – and God returned to heaven when that body of biology died
Man = from God we came – were are here to Jer 1:5 witness – and when our biology dies we return to God for judgment
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
Ecc 12:7 Then the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this judgment,
What is that Judgment
Zec 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the kohen gadol standing before the angel of Adonai and the satan, standing at his right hand to accuse him.
Zec 3:2 Adonai said to the satan, ‘Adonai rebukes you, the satan. Indeed Adonai, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebukes you. Is not this man a brand plucked out of the fire?’
Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was wearing filthy garments and standing before the angel
Zec 3:4 who answered and spoke to those standing before him saying, ‘Remove the filthy garments from him.’ Then to Joshua he said, ‘See, I have removed your iniquity from you and will dress you with fine clothing.’
Zec 3:5 Then I said, ‘Place a clean turban on his head.’ So they put a pure turban on his head and clothed him with garments while the angel of Adonai stood by.
Hebrew satan will accuse you of your sin
Hebrew satan will point out just how unworthy you are to enter heaven
Unless God grants you a Divine Pardon
Asclepius 21-29 – (NHL)
"Listen, Asclepius! There is a great demon. The great God has appointed him to be overseer or judge over the souls of men. And God has placed him in the middle of the air, between earth and heaven. Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon. Immediately, he (the daimon) will surround this one (masc.), and he will examine him in regard to the character that he has developed in his life. And if he finds that he piously performed all of his actions for which he came into the world, this (daimon) will allow him ... (1 line missing) ... turn him [...]. But if he sees [...] in this one [...] he brought his life into evil deeds, he grasps him, as he flees upward, and throws him down, so that he is suspended between heaven and earth, and is punished with a great punishment. And he will be deprived of his hope, and will be in great pain.
"And that soul has been put neither on the earth nor in heaven, but it has come into the open sea of the air of the world, the place where there is a great fire, and crystal water, and furrows of fire, and a great upheaval. The bodies are tormented (in) various (ways)
What is the difference between death as a believer and death with a Divine pardon
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may receive what is due for the things he did while in the body—whether good or bad.
Believers pass through proportional punishment on their way to the First Resurrection
Those with the Divine Pardon = Born Again of Spirit – Baptism of the Holy Spirit – First Fruits serving the Lord before the First resurrection – Rev 20:4
Who escapes Proportional punishment? - First fruits
At the transfiguration of Christ – Moses and Elijah were there – before the First Resurrection
Luke 16 – Lazarus at the Bosom of Abraham – rich man in torment
Rev 14:3 And they are singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one is able to learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been redeemed from among mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb.
The criminal on the cross
Luk 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.
Joh 3:18 The one who believes in Him is not condemned; but whoever does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not put his trust in the name of the one and only Ben-Elohim.
Why? – because things only happened one way – God’s way
Gnostic Christianity is very Jewish at heart – because Judaism is the foundation theology
Jesus Christ was a Jew – as well all His audience – and all His disciples
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
POINT – Jewish theology remains
Jesus Christ simply added the Gospel to it
The agl/NT Gospel – repentance - salvation – redemption –life after death - but also
The agl/NT Gospel – speaks to our struggle against NT satanas – who is of the Beast of Revelation
What is the ancient Jewish view of our reality – of God’s creation
1- There is Only One True God – and he created it all – the tov and the ra – because God is absolute
2- There is a gap – within Day 1 between (God created the heavens) and (the earth)
3- What is that gap? = The Age of Spirit – all the hosts of heaven were created on Day 1
4- Hosts of heaven – include Angels, Man, - other life forms possibly – and the Archon
Jewish Kabbalah = Spiritual man was called Adamus – the Perfect Race of Man
Jewish Legend / Myth = it was Adamus + Lilith that fathered the archon/shedim
Which leads to the choshek of Gen 1:2
Jews do not offer this as anything other than myth – because they simply lack enough information
The Gospel of Jesus Christ adds – The Apocalypse of Gnostic John – The Revelation of John
Rev 1:9 I, John, who also am your brother, and fellow-partner in the tribulation, and in the reign and endurance, of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ;
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,
Rev 1:11 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, 'What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'
1- John was in the spirit – Communion with the Spirit – spirit to Spirit communication
2- John wrote what he saw
The Gospel of Jesus Christ also adds – the Letter from Gnostic Paul to the Romans
Rom 1:19 Because that which is known of God is manifest among them, for God did manifest it to them,
Rom 1:20 for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead—to their being inexcusable;
Modern science has come very close to completely validating God’s word
No geneticist accepts evolution
Many scientist from many specialties embrace Intelligent Design
Einstein and Elon Musk refer to the God of Spinoza – the Intelligent Designer of Mathematics
Cosmetologist all agree – it all started at one focal point – Big Bang – God said
Cosmetologist all agree – the next step was expansionism – The Word went out
Cosmetologist all agree – there was a delay before LIGHT appeared – darkness
Cosmetologist all agree – the duality of light is the foundation of our reality
It is a thing – but is best described as a wave – measured in wave length = one quantum unit of E
The reality is that reality is built upon tiny packets of E that can only be described as a non-corporeal thing / a non-thing
The reality is that physical 3D reality is built up by tiny packets of non-thing
Which begs the question – is this reality an illusion – a hologram
The Revelation of the 1990s String Theory Physics – simply validated Jewish Kabbalah
The 10th Century Zohar speaks to 10 dimensions of reality – 10 heavens
The Book of Creation – dated before Christ says 10 is the number – not 9 not 11
FYI – the Book of Creation is also the text that says the 22 Hebrew letters formed the template for creation
The Word God spoke was Hebrew and as the letters went out they got together and formed words which became matter
How did Adam know a dog was to be named a dog?
Answer – Adam saw a D come down from heaven – then an O – followed by a G and it barked – so Adam called to DOG
String Theory Physics –The 10th Century Zohar - 10 dimensions of reality – 10 heavens
1st D = a singularity that contains all data – all knowledge and power
This is a singularity that cannot be located – no man can see the E – no man can see the face of God
2nd D = The Word went out – expansion / distance / time – medium /matrix / ether – ethereal reality
This is the Glory of God – that sustain the all – good and bad - omnipresent spirit
3rd D = the 1st D expressed via the 2nd D – to form the 3D – corporeal reality
ADD – the creation event / big band = 10D – we actually live in a 10D multiverse
POINT - 2nd D = The Word went out – expansion / distance / time
Why do cosmetologists call it ‘space-time’ – as if space and time are the same thing
Answer – expansion = distance from the source
How do we measure distance = the time it takes to get there
How do we measure time = the distance we travel to get there
Example how far away is another star = light years away – the distance light can travel in one earth year
Example how long is one earth year = the time it take to travel the distance of one orbit
Time is a variable in our reality E = mc2 – c2 – the graph of any exponent = a curve
Time is not linear – time is a curve and a varible
Time is a variable - Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day just passing by, or like a watch in the night.
Time is a variable - 2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
Time stood still for Joshua – Jos 10:12 Then Joshua spoke to Adonai, on the day Adonai gave the Amorites over to Bnei-Yisrael, and said in the eyes of Israel: “Sun, stand still over Gibeon, Moon, over the Aijalon Valley!”
Jos 10:13 So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance on its enemies. (Is it not written in the Book of Jashar?) Thus the sun halted in the middle of the sky, and did not hurry to go down for about a full day.
Jos 10:14 There was no day like that before it or after it, when Adonai listened to the voice of a man. For Adonai fought for Israel.
Time ran backward for Hezekiah - 2Ki 20:9 Then Isaiah said, “This will be the sign to you from Adonai, that Adonai will do this word He has spoken: Should the shadow go forward ten steps or go back ten steps?”
2Ki 20:10 Hezekiah answered, “It’s easy for a shadow to go forward ten steps; no, let the shadow turn back ten steps.”
2Ki 20:11 Then Isaiah the prophet cried to Adonai; and He brought the shadow ten steps backward, by which it had gone down on the sundial of Ahaz.
Modern science as in multidimensionality –
10 Heavens from Jewish Kabbalah
10 Heavens from Enoch
10 Heaven from Paul – Apocalypse of Paul (AKA – 3rd Letter to Corinth)
+ Agreement across Paul and Enoch
1D E Singularity = 2D omnipresent medium (space-time) – 3D = physical reality – a non-thing holographic illusion
1D expressed as the 2D = the word goes out – Holy Spirit radiates – expansion/medium
1D expressed as the 3D – the image of God – Christ – Jesus Christ = God incarnate
1D = 2D-3D
E = c2 m
| 7 | 7th Heaven | God's Throne | ||
| 6 | ||||
| 5 | Jail/Prison | Grigori in chains | ||
| 4 | ||||
| 3 | Paradise/Torment | |||
| 2 | ||||
| 1 | Archon | some matter | Beast/Dragon | devils/satanas |
| 3D | m - image | physicality | Christ | \ |
| 2D | c2 - Spirit | medium/matrix/ether | Holy Spirit | TRINITY |
| 1D | E - Singularity | El | God | / |
POINTS
1- Alpha and Omega – God at both extremes – 1D Singularity and God’s Throne in the 7th heaven
2- Jewish debate – 10 heaven = 10 types of angels one for each / God is alone and above the rest = 9 types of angels one for each of the 9 remaining heavens
3- Heavens 1-7 (D1-7) = the heavens (plural of Gen 1:1) – ethereal - spirit
4- Our 3D reality = the physical – our universe – our 1/10th of the ALL – corporeal
5- Heaven 1 – the closest realm to 3D man – (call it 4th D) – is a mix between The heavens above and the 3D physical world below
6- Heaven 1 is the home of the archon – not in heaven near God – but invisible near man
God’s creation began with the heavens – plural – the Age of spirit
Both Jews and (NHL) say a lot happened during this age
For the Jews – this was the age when Adamus and Lillith fathered the shedim
For the Jews and many Christian – Jer 4 speak to this age before the foundation of the world were laid
For the (NHL) – this age ended when the First sentient being was created with some matter
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
(NHL) – that First Archon was pushed out of the heavens – cast to earth – Rev 12-7-9
POINT
1- the archon are not in heaven near God – they are invisible near us
2- they are made with some matter – closely related to us - allows Gen 6 at the extreme
3- They have always been the Jewish devils – they have always been the other gods of the 99%
Heaven 3 = Paradise and a back side – a dark side filled with torment
Book of Enoch
8:1 AND those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and san the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness.
2 And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by them bubbling with fragrant exhalation.
3 And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.
4 Its root is in the garden at the earth's end.
5 And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
6 And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and in corruptibility.
2Co 12:2 I know a man in Messiah (whether in the body I don’t know, or whether out of the body I don’t know—God knows)—fourteen years ago, he was caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body I don’t know—God knows)—
2Co 12:4 he was caught up into Paradise and heard words too sacred to tell, which a human is not permitted to utter.
3rd heaven = Paradise – Eden
1- from where Adam and Eve stepped down from to enter the lower world
2- the only heaven promised in Islam
Book of Enoch
10:1 AND those two men led me upon to the Northern side, and showed me there a very terrible place, and there were all manner of tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, and there is no light there, but murky fire constantly flameth aloft, and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place is everywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst and shivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful and merciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and I said:
2 'Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.'
3 And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for those who dishonour God, who on earth practise sin against nature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion, magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and who boast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour, fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls of men, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich, injuring them for other men's goods; who being able to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able to clothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator, and bowed down to soulless (sc. lifeless) Gods, who cannot see nor hear, vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow down to unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place amongst these, for eternal inheritance.
3rd heaven also the place of torment
5th heaven - contains a jail/prison - Grigori in chains
Book of Enoch
17:1 IN the midst of the heavens I saw armed soldiers, serving the Lord, with tympana and organs, with incessant voice, with sweet voice, with sweet and incessant voice and various singing, which it is impossible to describe, and which astonishes every mind, so wonderful and marvellous is the singing of those angels, and I was delighted listening to it.
Angels are created to serve and praise
18:1 THE men took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori, of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and there was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:
2 Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and wherefore is there no service on this heaven?
3 And they said to me: These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on to earth from the Lord's throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon 1 and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity.
4 And therefore God judged them with great judgement, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord's great day.
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Jud 1:6 And the angels—who did not keep their own position of authority but deserted their proper place—He has kept in everlasting shackles under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great Day.
2Pe 2:4 For God did not spare angels when they sinned, but threw them into Sheol. He put them in chains of gloomy darkness, to be held until the judgment.
7th Heaven – a Jewish expression meaning joy and excitement – the location of God’s Throne – the highest heaven
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What do the Catholics do to this reality – They have only 3 dimension – Heaven – Earth - Hell
they separate heaven and hell into two different kingdoms and a god for each
God and God’s heaven for the righteous –and- satan’s kingdom called hell
Heaven above – and eternal life - tov
Earth
Hell below – and eternal damnation - ra
Catholic Theology – satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) Fell – then created his own kingdom called hell (a second creation)
satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) – wants to fill his kingdom with souls – as in a stealing them from God for his own
satan (Ezk 28 Isa14) also created the demons and evil spirits that rule his kingdom filled with the souls of corrupted men (a second creation)
At least the Catholics separate God and satan into two different kingdoms
At least the Catholic embrace the Trinity
At least the Catholics embrace the concept of eternal life
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Roberts SDA Great Controversy – as presented by Robert and my internet search
satan (Ezk 28 Isa 14) Fell from God’s Grace – recreated his form and function as the god of ra
Then satan – changed God’s Plan against God’s Will
Robert has no hell – only the grave
Roberts satan is in heaven facing off with God on an equal footing - the cosmic tov –vrs- ra struggle first presented by Zoroaster – a God of tov and a god of ra locked in an eternal conflict
Heaven – God –vrs- satan
Earth – a general of satan god – ‘sar’
Robert absolutely deny the concept of spirit – man is only biology nothing more
Robert absolutely deny the promise of eternal life – man did not pre-exist his biology and dies to the grave to await resurrection – then reborn to live again
Robert agreed at one time that all men pass through proportional punishment
But now say – man’s only hope is the grave – then resurrected to reign with the Lord
When asked about when does he have time for any proportional punishment – he now says it happens after the First resurrection as we reign with God
Add the fact that Robert will do or say anything to deny the reality of One True God – he cannot even decide how many creator gods he has 3-maybe 4 he admits
Either Robert is an agent for satan – and his only goal is deny everything Jewish and Cristian
Or Robert is just an ass that argues against everyone and anything – because he cannot help himself
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Man is made in the image of God
God came to earth as a man (God incarnate) – witnessed (Gospel) – and retuned to God
God came to earth as a man (God in a biological body) - Jer 1:5 – and God returned to heaven when that body of biology died
Man = from God we came – were are here to Jer 1:5 witness – and when our biology dies we return to God for judgment
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
Ecc 12:7 Then the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this judgment,
What is that Judgment
Zec 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the kohen gadol standing before the angel of Adonai and the satan, standing at his right hand to accuse him.
Zec 3:2 Adonai said to the satan, ‘Adonai rebukes you, the satan. Indeed Adonai, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebukes you. Is not this man a brand plucked out of the fire?’
Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was wearing filthy garments and standing before the angel
Zec 3:4 who answered and spoke to those standing before him saying, ‘Remove the filthy garments from him.’ Then to Joshua he said, ‘See, I have removed your iniquity from you and will dress you with fine clothing.’
Zec 3:5 Then I said, ‘Place a clean turban on his head.’ So they put a pure turban on his head and clothed him with garments while the angel of Adonai stood by.
Hebrew satan will accuse you of your sin
Hebrew satan will point out just how unworthy you are to enter heaven
Unless God grants you a Divine Pardon
Asclepius 21-29 – (NHL)
"Listen, Asclepius! There is a great demon. The great God has appointed him to be overseer or judge over the souls of men. And God has placed him in the middle of the air, between earth and heaven. Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon. Immediately, he (the daimon) will surround this one (masc.), and he will examine him in regard to the character that he has developed in his life. And if he finds that he piously performed all of his actions for which he came into the world, this (daimon) will allow him ... (1 line missing) ... turn him [...]. But if he sees [...] in this one [...] he brought his life into evil deeds, he grasps him, as he flees upward, and throws him down, so that he is suspended between heaven and earth, and is punished with a great punishment. And he will be deprived of his hope, and will be in great pain.
"And that soul has been put neither on the earth nor in heaven, but it has come into the open sea of the air of the world, the place where there is a great fire, and crystal water, and furrows of fire, and a great upheaval. The bodies are tormented (in) various (ways)
What is the difference between death as a believer and death with a Divine pardon
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may receive what is due for the things he did while in the body—whether good or bad.
Believers pass through proportional punishment on their way to the First Resurrection
Those with the Divine Pardon = Born Again of Spirit – Baptism of the Holy Spirit – First Fruits serving the Lord before the First resurrection – Rev 20:4
Who escapes Proportional punishment? - First fruits
At the transfiguration of Christ – Moses and Elijah were there – before the First Resurrection
Luke 16 – Lazarus at the Bosom of Abraham – rich man in torment
Rev 14:3 And they are singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one is able to learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been redeemed from among mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb.
The criminal on the cross
Luk 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.
Joh 3:18 The one who believes in Him is not condemned; but whoever does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not put his trust in the name of the one and only Ben-Elohim.