These shedim, where do they come from, in the beginning?
What do the Jews say? ( I already know what the Gnostics say of these shedim/ come archons)
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Although the word is traditionally derived from the root ŠWD (Hebrew: שוד shûd) that conveys the meaning of "acting with violence" or "laying waste," it was possibly a loan-word from Akkadian in which the word shedu referred to a spirit which could be either protective or malevolent.
a loan-word from Akkadian in which the word shedu referred to a spirit which could be either protective or malevolent.It is of Chaldean origin – adopted into JudaismShedim - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Shedim
Shedim - The Jewish Chroniclehttps://www.thejc.com › jewish-words › shedim-1
Mar 6, 2009 — In the Bible, shedim means foreign gods (eg Deuteronomy 32:17.) The word is related to the Akkadian sedu, meaning demon.
foreign gods = ‘other-gods’the Akkadian sedu, meaning demon. = It is of Chaldean origin – adopted into JudaismWhy is it not of Hebrew origin?Answer – they are from the 99% - and at the time of Moses that was ChaldeaRev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan,
who deceives the whole world.
Answer – they are from the whole world - and at the time of Moses that was Chaldea What is the creation story from the ahl/OT?Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
What is the creation story from the agl/NT?The Apocalypse of Gnostic John – (English – The Revelation of John / The Book of Revelation)Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
What is the creation story according to the Nag HammadiThe Hypostasis of the Archons (English - The Reality of the Rulers / The Reality of the Archon)"Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.
What is the creation story from Chaldea?islam4u.pro/blog/jinn-in-the-quran/Jinn in the Quran
One of the creatures of God is the Jinn in the Quran. What is the goal of their creation? This and other questions regarding what they are made of and their attributes will be discussed in this article.
Purpose of Creation of Jinn in the Quran
وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ ﴿56﴾
I did not create the jinn and the humans except that they may worship Me.
God’s creation is not in vain and without purpose. According to this verse, both jinn (جنّ) and human beings have been created so that they may worship God.
Do not disagree – all creation was created to reveal God’s Glory
Angels are created (by the Right Hand) to serve and praise
Man is created (by the Right Hand) to serve and praise – Jer 1:5 (the meaning of life)
Archon are created (by the Left Hand) for a function – a purpose – a role within creation (mystery and judgment)Jinn in the Quran and their Substance Matter
وَالْجَانَّ خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ ﴿27﴾
And We created the jinn earlier, out of a piercing fire.
According to the Quran, the jinn were created before human beings and they are made of air and fire as other verses also indicate.
Full story –
Angels are made of Light
Jinn are made of Fire
Man is mad of claySatan is from Among the Jinn in the Quran
وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ ۗ أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِن دُونِي وَهُمْ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ ۚ بِئْسَ لِلظَّالِمِينَ بَدَلًا ﴿ ﴿50﴾
When We said to the angels, ‘Prostrate before Adam,’ they prostrated, but not Iblis. He was one of the jinn, so he transgressed against his Lord’s command. Will you then take him and his offspring for guardians in My stead, though they are your enemies? How evil a substitute for the wrongdoers! 6
According to Islam and in verses of the Quran, Satan or Iblis (ابلیس) is not an angel; rather, he is a jinn and made from fire; something which he himself testifies to in the following verse when God asks him why he did not prostrate to Adam: ‘I am better than him,’ he said. ‘You created me from fire and You created him from clay.’
Agree – agl/NT satanas is not an angel – he is of the serpent race – the Beast of RevelationRev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satanas, which deceiveth the whole world:
Jinn in the Quran and Intelligence
وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ ۖ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لَّا يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لَّا يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لَّا يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۚ أُولَـٰئِكَ كَالْأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ ۚ أُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْغَافِلُونَ ﴿179﴾
Certainly We have winnowed out for hell many of the jinn and humans: they have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, they have ears with which they do not hear. They are like cattle; indeed, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless.
They are not affected by seeing God’s signs as though their eyes don’t see and hearing the advice of people who are right does not have any effect on them as though their ears don’t hear. Similarly, the proofs and arguments that their innate nature (فطرة) impresses upon them do not affect their state or it is as though they do not possess intellect.
Dave’s paraphrase = SELF inflated ARROGANCE
WWII German thought they were a better race – arrogantly they bullied all
During the Colonial era – WHITE EUROPEANS thought they were a better race – arrogantly they bullied all
It is not necessarily intellect but arrogance – I am better than you – therefor you are expendable
It is all about us / ME / SELF – others are expandable
Dave’s paraphrase – the archon are not stupid (Gen 3:1) – they are SELF (yeater ra) - I am better than you – therefor you are expendableNo Change in God’s Creation
Although the intellect, eyes, and ears do not become corrupt and lose their faculties as the verse there is no altering Allah’s creation; however, another verse explains: That is because Allah never changes a blessing that He has bestowed
No Change in God’s Creation
God’s Plan – God’s Will – God is absoluteJinn in the Quran and Receiving Guidance
يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي وَيُنذِرُونَكُمْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِكُمْ هَـٰذَا ۚ قَالُوا شَهِدْنَا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِنَا ۖ وَغَرَّتْهُمُ الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا وَشَهِدُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا كَافِرِينَ ﴿ ﴿130﴾
‘O company of jinn and humans! Did there not come to you apostles from yourselves, recounting to you My signs and warning you of the encounter of this Day?’ They will say, ‘We testify against ourselves.’ The life of this world had deceived them, and they will testify against themselves that they had been faithless. 13
Verses of the Quran indicate that Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him and his progeny) was sent as a guide for human beings as well as jinn
Agree – our witness (Jer 1:5) is in full view of all the invisible – all the heavens
Agreed – our witness it to the whole world – seen and unseen
Speaking in tongues – might be addressing an unseen entity – angel or archonJinn in the Quran Will Face Punishment for their Evil Deeds
As indicated in one of the verses mentioned above - if the jinn perform evil deeds they too will face punishment and similarly, if they perform good deeds they will also enter Heaven and receive its blessings as is also indicated in one of the verses discussed.
As the purpose of their creation, like human beings, is to worship God, they will be answerable for their deeds and face the Hereafter like human beings and held accountable for what they performed in this world.
Dave’s paraphrase – how do the archon sin
1- the 200 or so bane elohiym of Gen 6 – the Watchers of Enoch – the Nephilim – the Rephiem
All 100% Jewish – their sin = reproducing out of their kind – contamination of the gene pool
2- they arrogantly filled the YHWY vacuum of the 99% - in the 99% (The Chaldeans) they set themselves up as gods – arrogance /SELF / Caesar /King of Tyre / Nebacannazer
But as archon that could manipulate nature – (weather, fertility, crops, and victory in battel) – they became the ‘other-gods’ of the Levant / ChaldeaJdg 2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.
Jdg 2:2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?
Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
3- They remain to this day in many forms – David Ike – 13 Families
4- They will be judged Rev 20:10 And
the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where
the beast and
the false prophet are,
IMO - my opinion only - the false prophets = false gods = other gods = archon
anything that offers an alternative salvation plan = WORLD
Mormonism for example - Islam for example - Hindu gods - are just as false - as crazy Christian preachers - Rev Jimmy Jones - Rev Miller - Rev Russel - Rev Smith - Rev Camp
Rev - the only good Indian or Aborgione is a dead one - Pope declars Crsuaid - Pope declars war - Persecute the First Christian out of existance - when they rise again (Cathars) force their deaths or kill them - when the (NHL) is found don't rejoyce call it Gnostic - when the Dead Sea Scrolls are found - don;t rejoyce call it Gnostic The Power of Jinn in the Quran
قَالَ عِفْرِيتٌ مِّنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن تَقُومَ مِن مَّقَامِكَ ۖ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ ﴿39﴾
One audacious among the jinn said: I will bring it to you before you rise up from your place; and most surely I am strong (and) trusty for it.
This verse indicates that jinn possess a physical form even though most of the time we are unable to see them. It also shows that they are more powerful in some ways that human beings in that they could bring the throne of Bilquis (بلقیس), the Queen of Sheba for Prophet Solomon (سلیمان) in the short period of time indicated in the verse.
Jinn were one of the creatures that this prophet had control and command over.
LOOK – King Solomon – Lilith – Beelzebub – shedim
100% JewishSummary1- Jinn/Archon were created first – ahl/OT Gen 1:2 – agl/NT Rev 12 – (NHL) Gen 1:2 + Rev 12:3
2- Jinn/Archon are not angels – ahl/OT Hebrew satan is not a shedim – agl/NT angels are not the Beast of Revelation – (NHL) separate creation Gen 1:2 + Rev 12:3
3- Jinn are made differently than angels or man
Angels made of light – archon/Jinn made of fire – manmade of clay
4- Iblis (Islamic devil) is a Jinn – ahl/OT Beelzebub is a shedim – agl/NT devils and satanas are the Beast
5- Iblis and the Jinn will not bow to man – become jealous of man – dislike man – cause man trouble
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
This world is the kingdom of the Archon – and has been since creation Gen 1:2Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
But God gives dominion of their Kingdom / domain to man
God established the CONTEST – the proving ground – the battel ground = Gen 3:15Precept upon precept, line upon line – scripture repeats itself over and overAbram is called out of Chaldea and given the Land of Canaan - it forces a conflict
Israel is called out of Egypt and given the Promised Land - it forces a conflict
In the end – Israel returns from all the nations and takes back the Promised Land (1948) - it forces a conflict
Is is suprising that in the beginning - God gave man dominion over the archons Kingdon / domain - it forces a conflict - between man and archon - Gen 3
God is the God of the whole world
God is the God of our secular reality - which is a Gnostic CONTESTPrecept upon precept, line upon line all reality must validate God's creation
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
This is true in science - This is true in history - This is true in prophesy4 different creation stories of the archon - ahl/OT - agl/NT - (NHL) - and Chaldean Islam
All similar - yet all different in vocabulary and detail
How can only 1 be correct and the other 3 absolute lie
The Truth lies somehere in the middle - a blend of them allThe Best of Revelation - that old serpent of Gen 3 - that we call devils and satanas
Are the Jewish devils - Belzeebub + shedim and other gods of the Levant
Are the Archon of Paul, Luke, the (NHL) - the other gods of the world
Are intra-dimensionial visiters here
Are alien to here
Are the other gods of the worldEnoch says approx 200 bane elohiym came to earth in Gen 6 and 20 or so set themselves up as the authorities - masters - gods 33 in the ahl/OT - some different names for the same god
Egypt - space gods - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
India - space gods - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
Sumar - space gods - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
South America - space gods - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
Greece - Mount Olympus - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
Rome = same gods - space gods - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
Norse - gods from Valhala - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
even the Philipines - about 200 with 20 major players - family units - offspring
None of this has anything to do with Ezk 28 - Isa 14 - and Roman Fallen Angels No one is denying the reality of agl/NT satanas - or Eph 6:12We do deny - your conept of Hebrew satan
We do deny the Roman doctrine of Fallen AngelsBecause it teaches - God is not absolute
Even angels can fall from God's Grace - impossible
God is not absolute - not in control - must react to your powerful satan
God is not absolute - nothing of God's tov creation because your satan corruptued it all
It teaches that man has an excuse
A- Man sins - but your satan god sinned first
B- Man sins - but it is not man's fault - the devil made him do it
Both excuses a toddler would use to get out of trouble