Archon of India

[Dave]

WOW Robert – you have been paying such close attention – it boggles the mind
1- Gen 6 happened before the flood – mark that down so you do not get confused
2- 90% of them are in chain in prison – Jude / 2 Peter awaiting Rev 9
3- Hindu Gods all happened after the flood – Inca gods after the flood – ahl gods after the flood
4- the stories of ancient astronauts and alien gods all come after the flood
5- the 7 tribes of Amorite that had to be complexly eliminated = the Sons of Anak
Why do you try to hide this scripture?

OK I reread myself – and I will change this

The only authority I trust is the Scriptures, they say the archons are cherubims that sinned,
Nope – only Rome says that – no one ever had that idea until Rome invented it
You have failed to present one pre-Roman validation
This is a FACT Robert – no Jew ever saw Ezk 28 as Rome teaches
You have two choices
1 – Respect the Theology of Jesus Christ, all His disciples, and His audience - which was 100% Jewish
2- Or adopt the Rome centric – Rome only – roman scripture only theology
The choice seems obvious to me- because Christ is God incarnate therefore it is His theology

Scripture (Rev 12) says that it/they appeared during creation in a plurality – the Beast is the serpent – and the serpent is a biological creature that has seed (Gen 3) and Paul describs them as our real struggle (Eph 6) and Col 1:16 tells us they were created by God for God

Scripture says they were created by God for God
But no where do we read - God said let there be a Beast
Instead scripture just says - it appeared out of no where
How can this be God's creation? - by the Left Hand of Mystery

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.

This verse alone should put an end to your satan rising up aganst God in opposition - by satan's choice - by satan's free will

All things were created for a purpose - no created thing ever evolved into a different purpose
ZERO evolution - in heaven or on earth

I stand by all of this

1- Gen 6 happened before the flood – mark that down so you do not get confused

The bane elohiym of Gen 6 are not all of the archon – it is not all of the Beast and his army (archon) of devils and Caldean satanas – it is only a group of 200 of them

The Beast is still the Beast, the serpent is still the serpet, devils still devils, satanas still satanas
Except 200 of them – took on more flesh – became more flesh to be the bane elohiym

Now there are 3 types of archon in scripture
1- The Beast – invisible spirits – powers of wicked in heavenly places
2- The bane elohiym (around 200 of them) – who took on visible flesh
3- the Nephilim – the offspring of the bane elohiym and mortal women

2- 90% of them are in chain in prison – Enoch + Jude + 2 Peter awaiting Rev 9
This has nothing to do with (1) The Beast – invisible spirits – powers of wicked in heavenly places
This has nothing to do (2) The bane elohiym (around 200 of them) – who took on visible flesh

The bane elohiym (around 200 of them) – LEFT THEIR FIRST ESTATE - who took on visible flesh
100% of them are held in chains in heaven #4 awaiting release for a time (Rev 9)

This has everything to do with (3) the Nephilim – the offspring of the bane elohiym and mortal women
Jubilees 10 says - of the 10% that remain – because you were born on earth (Nephilim) – when you die on earth your spirits also remain on earth – (EVIL SPIRITS) – earth bound spirits

What did this 10% do before they died on earth? – fathered the Rephiem – the Sons of Anak – the 7 tribes of Amorite – post flood Nephilim
As in Jericho – the first Israeli genocide

Num 13:33 We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!”

There they are post flood – plain as day – right out in the open

Rahab admitted
Jos 2:10 For we have heard how Adonai dried up the water of the Sea of Reeds before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites that were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.

Num 21:2 Then Israel vowed to Adonai and stated, “If you deliver this people into our hand, we will put their cities under the ban of destruction!”
Num 21:3 Adonai listened to Israel’s plea and delivered up the Canaanites. They put them and their cities under the ban of destruction. So the name of the place was called Hormah.

Jos 6:21 They utterly destroyed everything in the city—man and woman, young and old, ox, sheep and donkey—with the edge of the sword.

GENOCYDE

Answers the doubters question – why does your God of love and mercy orde genocide in the ahl
Because Israel was supposed to eliminate the rest of the Rephiem

Did they eliminate the Rephiem gene pool? – NO – the Rephiem remain to this very day
Jdg 2:1 Now the angel of Adonai came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and He said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and took you into the land which I swore to your fathers. I also said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you.
Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done?
Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”

The 13 families – the Bilderbergs – the Illuminiti – David Ike says a remaining genetic link
All ancient priest kings were the intermediaries between the other gods and man

Are all of the original Nephiim dead?
Google L. A. Marzuli the giant of Kandahar

3- Hindu Gods all happened after the flood – Inca gods after the flood – ahl gods after the flood
4- the stories of ancient astronauts and alien gods all come after the flood

YES – this is a post flood return of the archon
1- either these are a new group that come to earth as space men
2- or these are what survives of the Rephiem – Gnostic literature says they were ejected from this planet to the visible 7 heavily bodies – space aliens?

Egypt = space gods from the star Sirus
Sumar = space gods from the planet Nebiru
Hindu – space gods (origin not stated)
Today – UFOs aliens and the return of space gods

Dec 18, 2021 16:08:04 GMT -5 Dave said:

The Reality of the Archon = the Beast of Revelation – the serpent race that we know of as devils and Chaleadn satanas – suddenly all reality makes sense – ancient gods – Islam – UFOs – Dead Sea Scrolls – witchcraft – the ‘other gods’, the shedim, Lilith, and satyrs of the ahl – why all ancient gods are pictures as chimeras – or associated with chimeras – Gen 6 – Nephilim – Rephiem – why God orders a genocide of 7 tribes in the ahl - the unexplained Rama’s bridge and the very interesting things of the Hindu – the unexplained and the very interesting of the Inca or Aztecs – or the African Dogan – or the Australian Aborigine – ancient astronauts – UFOs today – as well as – as all scripture – all fit together in one theiology

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D"Nope – only Rome says that – no one ever had that idea until Rome invented it
You have failed to present one pre-Roman validation
This is a FACT Robert – no Jew ever saw Ezk 28 as Rome teaches
R" SO you are saying the Waldensians had no concept of Satan as I do, they lived after the Apostles before 300AD until Rome changed everything.

Are you sure the Waldensians had no concept of a Satan similar to mine ?

D"You have two choices
1 – Respect the Theology of Jesus Christ, all His disciples, and His audience - which was 100% Jewish
2- Or adopt the Rome centric – Rome only – roman scripture only theology
The choice seems obvious to me- because Christ is God incarnate therefore it is His theology
R" These are your choices

I accept to follow the example of the Waldensians...

They had truth before the Roman edit.

(1) From the Archives: La Nobla Leyczon (The Noble Lesson)
A 15th-century Waldensian poem
"The honor of God the Father ought to be his beginning,
And to call the aid of his glorious Son, the Son of Saint Mary,
And the Holy Spirit who gives us the way. These three are the Holy Trinity,
As being one God, ought to be invoked,
Full of all Power, of all Wisdom, and of all Goodness.
For this we ought often to beg and pray
That he give us strength to encounter the enemies,
And overcome them before our end,
Which are the World, the Devil, and the Flesh;
And that he would give us wisdom, accompanied with goodness,
That we may know the way of truth,
And keep pure that soul which God has given us,
The soul and body in the way of charity …
Now after the apostles were certain teachers,
Who taught the way of Jesus Christ our Saviour"

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Waldensian Confessions of Faith, 1120


1. We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the apostles' creed, and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles.
2. We believe that there is one God - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
3. We acknowledge for sacred canonical scriptures the books of the Holy Bible. (Here follows the title of each, exactly conformable to our received canon, but which it is deemed, on that account, quite unnecessary to particularize.)
4. The books above-mentioned teach us: That there is one GOD, almighty, unbounded in wisdom, and infinite in goodness, and who, in His goodness, has made all things. For He created Adam after His own image and likeness. But through the enmity of the Devil, and his own disobedience, Adam fell, sin entered into the world, and we became transgressors in and by Adam.
5. That Christ had been promised to the fathers who received the law, to the end that, knowing their sin by the law, and their unrighteousness and insufficiency, they might desire the coming of Christ to make satisfaction for their sins, and to accomplish the law by Himself.
6. That at the time appointed of the Father, Christ was born - a time when iniquity everywhere abounded, to make it manifest that it was not for the sake of any good in ourselves, for all were sinners, but that He, who is true, might display His grace and mercy towards us.
7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness - our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for their justification.
8. And we also firmly believe, that there is no other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all other saints, namely, that they are waiting in heaven for the resurrection of their bodies at the day of judgment.
9. We also believe, that, after this life, there are but two places - one for those that are saved, the other for the damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying that imaginary purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth.
10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men [in the affairs of religion] as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses.
11. We hold in abhorrence all human inventions, as proceeding from Antichrist, which produce distress (Alluding probably to the voluntary penances and mortification imposed by the Catholics on themselves), and are prejudicial to the liberty of the mind.
12 We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings. We regard it as proper and even necessary that believers use these symbols or visible forms when it can be done. Notwithstanding which, we maintain that believers may be saved without these signs, when they have neither place nor opportunity of observing them.
13. We acknowledge no sacraments [as of divine appointment] but baptism and the Lord's supper.
14. We honour the secular powers, with subjection, obedience, promptitude, and payment.

www.reformedreader.org/ccc/waldenses_confessions_of_faith.htm

(3) But the Waldensians continued to preach, wearing rough clothing and sandals and preaching repentance. A traveling Waldensian preacher was known as a barba and could be either a man or a woman. The barbes taught poverty, individual responsibility, and self-denial, and they promoted evangelism via public preaching and the personal study of the Scriptures (in one’s own language). The Waldensians loved the Bible and insisted that the Bible be their sole authority; at the same time, they publicly criticized the corruption of the Roman Catholic clergy. The Waldensians rejected many of the superstitious traditions of Catholicism, including prayers for the dead and holy water, and they spoke against indulgences and the doctrine of purgatory. Communion, they said, was a memorial of Christ’s death, not a sacrifice. They did not follow the church’s calendar concerning days of fasting, and they refused to bow before altars, venerate saints, or treat “holy” bread as holy. In short, the Waldensians could be seen as launching a pre-Reformation reform movement.

The Waldensians’ back-to-the-Bible approach appealed to many, and the movement quickly spread rapidly to Spain, northern France, Flanders, Germany, southern Italy, and even Poland and Hungary. But the Catholic Church did not take kindly to the Waldensian call to reform. In 1181 the archbishop of Lyons excommunicated the Waldensians. Three years later, the pope declared them to be heretics. In 1215 the Fourth Lateran Council declared an anathema on Waldensian doctrine.

In the 1230s, persecution against the Waldensians increased and lasted for three hundred years.

(4) www.myjewishlearning.com/article/satan-the-adversary/

The kabbalistic and Hasidic literature complicate this view, offering a closer parallel to Christian eschatology. Both the kabbalistic/Hasidic and Christian traditions describe the forces of the holy and the demonic as locked in a struggle that will culminate in God’s eventual victory.

A read of the above link shows that Satan as a theme did exist in OT times, perhaps not the same as Christian views today. It is a fair webpage assessing both sides of this theme.

(5) encyclopedia.adventist.org/article?id=CD5I

Could not find much to quote here, but the source says the Waldensians kept the Sabbath, or some did.

(6) www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm

These people claim to be following truth before Roman Edit era. These people were Gnsotics? How much of this webpage do you support Dave?

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D"All things were created for a purpose - no created thing ever evolved into a different purpose
ZERO evolution - in heaven or on earth
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
R" SO this in your view, includes Satan and any angels that sinned. It also includes any free will creatures that sin.

SO are essentially saying all things creatures do, included sinning is created by God? How can this be true as it violates free will. But than you do not have creatures with free will, except humans.

Surely God does not create sin and sinning, that is done by sinning creatures, both humans and cherubims.

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D"Now there are 3 types of archon in scripture
1- The Beast – invisible spirits – powers of wicked in heavenly places
2- The bane elohiym (around 200 of them) – who took on visible flesh
3- the Nephilim – the offspring of the bane elohiym and mortal women
R" Interesting.

Just to clarify, the Beast you say were created with RA, robotic RA, not the RA that sinners using free will do, ie sin wickedly against God, this Beastly RA, is not sin, but the way the beastly creatures were created to be.

But the bane elohiym (whoever these are) decided using free will I assume to change to/took on visible flesh?

How is this possible?

How come these bane elohiym have free will to choose?

Who are these bane elohiym?

The bane elohiym took upon woman who are human, and made demi gods humoids out of the humans, who are giants called nephilim.

I thought you said evolution does not happen, but these bane elohiym are evolving into different forms so they can have sex with humans? How is this possible?

Do the bane elohiym have free will to do this wickedness?

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You really write an interesting account of these three kinds of archons.

D" YES – this is a post flood return of the archon
1- either these are a new group that come to earth as space men
2- or these are what survives of the Rephiem – Gnostic literature says they were ejected from this planet to the visible 7 heavily bodies – space aliens?
R" Interesting account of the archons.

Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Why does the Beast speak against GOD and blaspheme God's Name, and even them that dwekk in heaven?

I thought these archon beasts are following God's will, but clearly here the beast powers OPPOSE GOD?

Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:
Why do the Beast power overcome the saints, to kill them? How is this God's will?
Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.


Many saints are killed by the sword, for their faith, by this archon-beast power.

Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Who is these second beast power Dave?

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


You see this as Muslim serving Allah, the name of the beast under Allah is the title of supporting Allah, written on their arm and foreheads. Interesting theory. So the whole world is forced to suypport Allah, even Christian must give up his Faith in Jesus and follow the Muslim.

Explain to me why the archons were only created to test/tempt mankind, but here in these prophecies, the beast powers overcome the saints and kill many, even blaspheme God, thus the archon powers OPPOSE GOD.

Shalom

[Dave]

D"Nope – only Rome says that – no one ever had that idea until Rome invented it
You have failed to present one pre-Roman validation
This is a FACT Robert – no Jew ever saw Ezk 28 as Rome teaches
R" SO you are saying the Waldensians had no concept of Satan as I do
Repeat - This is a FACT Robert – no Jew ever saw Ezk 28 as Rome teaches

The Waldensians Bible of the French/Italians is the Latin Vulgate written by Roman Catholic Saint Jerome – how is this not Catholic

I Respect the Theology of Jesus Christ, all His disciples, and His audience - which was 100% Jewish
Because Jesus Christ is God incarnate - it is His theology

I accept to follow the example of the Waldensians... They had truth before Jesus and the disciples?
They are Rome centric – Rome only – Roman scripture only theology

1. We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the apostles' creed,
100% Catholic
and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles.
100% Catholic

2. We believe that there is one God - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This is a Gnostic / Mainstream Christian view – not your 3 gods in a family
This is Jeff Brenner’s view – this is my view

3. We acknowledge for sacred canonical scriptures the books of the Holy Bible. (Here follows the title of each, exactly conformable to our received canon, but which it is deemed, on that account, quite unnecessary to particularize.)
YOUR RECIEVEC TEXT – what is all your misdirection about the Waldensian Bible
100% Erasmus Greek - 100% Roman catholic

4. The books above-mentioned teach us: That there is one GOD, almighty, unbounded in wisdom, and infinite in goodness, and who, in His goodness, has made all things.
No Second Creator - Agree

For He created Adam after His own image and likeness. But through the enmity of the Devil, and his own disobedience, Adam fell, sin entered into the world, and we became transgressors in and by Adam.
Devil – consistent with Rev 12 – not Hebrew satan

5. That Christ had been promised to the fathers who received the law, to the end that, knowing their sin by the law, and their unrighteousness and insufficiency, they might desire the coming of Christ to make satisfaction for their sins, and to accomplish the law by Himself.
Sin is by the law - Agree
Man is insufficient - Agree
satisfaction for their sins, and to accomplish the law – Mainstream Christianity would say Fulfill the law
Is this different – or just vocabulary?

6. That at the time appointed of the Father, Christ was born - a time when iniquity everywhere abounded, to make it manifest that it was not for the sake of any good in ourselves, for all were sinners, but that He, who is true, might display His grace and mercy towards us.
In God’s Time - - God’s plan – a display of God’s Grace – all Agree

7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness - our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for their justification.
All agree – would say gave His life on the cross – just vocabulary

8. And we also firmly believe, that there is no other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all other saints, namely, that they are waiting in heaven for the resurrection of their bodies at the day of judgment.

Please explain – waiting in the grave sleeping doing nothing
Or – First fruits - surrounding God’s Throne before the First resurrection as scripture says – Rev 20:4
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Yeshua and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor had they received his mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with the Messiah for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

9. We also believe, that, after this life, there are but two places - one for those that are saved, the other for the damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying that imaginary purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth.

Please explain the difference between your SDA hell and Purgatory
Jews have two locations – Proportional Punishment and the Bosom of Abraham - then final judgment to life or death
Gnostics have two locations – Proportional Punishment and the Bosom of Abraham - then final judgment to life or death
Roman Catholics have – purgatory + heaven and hell - then final judgment to life or death
Robert has – no hell – only sleep where nothing happens - then final judgment to life or death

Robert and the SDA are the only ones that deny the scripture of proportional punishment

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may receive what is due for the things he did while in the body—whether good or bad.

Once you have committed the smallest sin – you are doomed – so you might as well be a serial axe murdering rapist – Robert says the punishment is he same

Rom 2:5 But by your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will pay back each person according to his deeds.
Rom 2:7 To those who by perseverance in doing good are seeking glory, honor, and immortality—eternal life.
Rom 2:8 But to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—wrath and fury.

Robert and the SDA are the only ones that deny God is just and fair

10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men [in the affairs of religion] as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses.
YES – man made religion – rituals – another Law to follow

11. We hold in abhorrence all human inventions, as proceeding from Antichrist, which produce distress (Alluding probably to the voluntary penances and mortification imposed by the Catholics on themselves), and are prejudicial to the liberty of the mind.
YES – man made religion – rituals – another Law to follow

12 We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings. We regard it as proper and even necessary that believers use these symbols or visible forms when it can be done. Notwithstanding which, we maintain that believers may be saved without these signs, when they have neither place nor opportunity of observing them.
YES – not required for salvation - never necessary
Yes – symbols – visible forms - as a form of witness or education

13. We acknowledge no sacraments [as of divine appointment] but baptism and the Lord's supper.
The goal is a personal relationship – Communion with the lord – terms like baptism, or to sup, or to Commune – take on new deeper meaning

14. We honour the secular powers, with subjection, obedience, promptitude, and payment.
Not sure if I say HONOR – but give Caesars his due

The Christian coalition is a very active political movement – large PAC money – in the thick of every major election
Reality – it is all God’s plan and it will turn out just like God Wills

www.reformedreader.org/ccc/waldenses_confessions_of_faith.htm
(3) But the Waldensians continued to preach, wearing rough clothing and sandals and preaching repentance.
OK - they have a parade

A traveling Waldensian preacher was known as a barba and could be either a man or a woman. The barbes taught poverty, individual responsibility, and self-denial,
The Jews teach - the goal is the illimination of self
and they promoted evangelism via public preaching and the personal study of the Scriptures (in one’s own language).
And Jer 1:5

The Waldensians loved the Bible and insisted that the Bible be their sole authority; at the same time, they publicly criticized the corruption of the Roman Catholic clergy. The Waldensians rejected many of the superstitious traditions of Catholicism, including prayers for the dead and holy water, and they spoke against indulgences and the doctrine of purgatory.
DUH

Communion, they said, was a memorial of Christ’s death, not a sacrifice.
A memorial is for a dead guy
Communon means to commune - not perform a ritual

(4) www.myjewishlearning.com/article/satan-the-adversary/
The kabbalistic and Hasidic literature complicate this view, offering a closer parallel to Christian eschatology. Both the kabbalistic/Hasidic and Christian traditions describe the forces of the holy and the demonic as locked in a struggle that will culminate in God’s eventual victory.
And for the harsidic Kabbalist the demonic force would be Lilith, Beelzebub and the shedim, anf the ‘other gods’ of the ahl along with all those devils and satanas

(5) encyclopedia.adventist.org/article?id=CD5I
Could not find much to quote here, but the source says the Waldensians kept the Sabbath, or some did.
Big deal – all the Jews keep the Sabbath and you say they are all heritics that never understood their own theology or language

(6) www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm
These people claim to be following truth before Roman Edit era. These people were Gnsotics? How much of this webpage do you support Dave?
I made you aware of this group long ago – Remember no of them had access to the Nag Hammadi
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D"All things were created for a purpose - no created thing ever evolved into a different purpose
ZERO evolution - in heaven or on earth
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
R" SO this in your view, includes Satan and any angels
YES - everything

SO are essentially saying all things creatures do, included sinning is created by God?
Sorry – man is the creature than can choose – because we exist as a duality (biology with yester ra) + (spirit and its yester tov)
How can this be true as it violates free will.
Nope – man is the creature than can choose
But than you do not have creatures with free will, except humans.
Correct – man is the only creature that is biology + spirit
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Just to clarify, the Beast you say were created with RA, - (yester ra) self
not the RA that sinners using free will do, - (yester ra) self and selfishness

this Beastly RA, is not sin, but the way the beastly creatures were created to be.
A cow is just self – if he crashes your fence to eat your corn – he never feels guilty or ashamed
A cockroach is just self – as it walks around and eats on garbage- it never feels guilty for spreading bacterial all around
If you lock a baboon in you house and it dstoyes all your stuff – will it lay awake at night feeling guilty and ashamed
My answer = NO – they are just animals – following the desire to – ‘go forth be fruitful and multiply’

But the bane elohiym (whoever these are) decided using free will I assume to change to/took on visible flesh?
NOPE – (yester ra) expressed to extremes – once they took on flesh that could do mortal (yester ra)

Their sin is simple – reproduce after you own kind
Today – human chimeras are being created – ancient aliens all about hybridization and chimeras
Today - aliens stole my fetus – human chimeras

How is this possible?
How come these bane elohiym have free will to choose?
They have (yester ra) to explore to its fullest

Who are these bane elohiym?
Rev 12 the great dragon — the ancient serpent, --- called the devil and satan, - who deceives the whole world.

The bane elohiym took upon woman who are human, and made demi gods humoids out of the humans, who are giants called nephilim.
I thought you said evolution does not happen, but these bane elohiym are evolving into different forms so they can have sex with humans? How is this possible?
The only detailed story of this even does indicate that the bane elohiym (archon) evolved into a new and different species – they shapeshifted = the only thing that change was the perception of the women involved

Do the bane elohiym have free will to do this wickedness?
They are (yester ra) the extreme expression of it – all self and selfishness

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D"Now there are 3 types of archon in scripture
1- The Beast – invisible spirits – powers of wicked in heavenly places
2- The bane elohiym (around 200 of them) – who took on visible flesh
3- the Nephilim – the offspring of the bane elohiym and mortal women
R" Interesting.

You really write an interesting account of these three kinds of archons.
D" YES – this is a post flood return of the archon
1- either these are a new group that come to earth as space men
2- or these are what survives of the Rephiem – Gnostic literature says they were ejected from this planet to the visible 7 heavily bodies – space aliens?
R" Interesting account of the archons.

This is my ministry – I have spoken to several people who say they saw something – each time their church was less than helpful
My own experience as a church board member – when June Hill said she saw something – no one believed her
My own experience – no one believed me

Things only happened one way – God’s way – all reality must point to that reality that point only to God

Re 13:4 -6 - Why does the Beast speak against GOD and blaspheme God's Name, and even them that dwekk in heaven?
The WORLD says – this is the only kingdom – no heaven – no hell – no consequence
So – you better grab all the world you can while you are here

I thought these archon beasts are following God's will, but clearly here the beast powers OPPOSE GOD?
The beast powers = the world – be not of this world long for the next

Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:
Why do the Beast power overcome the saints, to kill them? How is this God's will?
We are all tested – many fail
Do you know the story of Jerry Falwell? – Big name in Christianity – Big name on TV
Caught with a prostitute in a very sleazy hotel

Act 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has satan filled your heart to lie to the Ruach ha-Kodesh and keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
(yester ra) selfish greed

Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Many saints are killed by the sword, for their faith, by this archon-beast power.

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Yeshua and because of the word of God.
Who beheads Christians Robert – you are in denial of Islam

Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Who is these second beast power Dave?

he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 17:10 five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.

Dan 2:4 Then the Chaldeans spoke to the king in Aramaic , “May the king live forever! Tell your servants the dream, and we will declare the interpretation.”
Dan 2:5 The king answered the Chaldeans saying, “I firmly decree: If you do not make the dream and its meaning known to me, you will be torn limb from limb and your houses reduced to rubble.

Who are the Chaldeans Robert
Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Who kills those who refuse to convert? – you are in denial of Islam

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Who wears their “BADGE OF SERVATUDE” on the right arm and forehead
YEP – it is called shira law – convert to Islam or pay an infidel tax
You are in denial of the reality all around you

You see this as Muslim serving Allah, the name of the beast under Allah is the title of supporting Allah, written on their arm and foreheads. Interesting theory. So the whole world is forced to suypport Allah, even Christian must give up his Faith in Jesus and follow the Muslim.
YEP – it is called shira law – convert to Islam or pay an infidel tax

Explain to me why the archons were only created to test/tempt mankind, but here in these prophecies, the beast powers overcome the saints and kill many, even blaspheme God, thus the archon powers OPPOSE GOD.
The world is a trap – people look around and think reality id only what they ca see and touch
Reality = a much larger reality filled with invisible entities of many types
David Ike – just outside out field of vision there are entities that are anything but human who have been manipulation this reality form the outside for eons

[Dave]

Dec 25, 2021 2:07:00 GMT -5 @robertt said:

You see this as Muslim serving Allah, the name of the beast under Allah is the title of supporting Allah, written on their arm and foreheads. Interesting theory. So the whole world is forced to suypport Allah, even Christian must give up his Faith in Jesus and follow the Muslim.

The question is – what is the whole world?
To the authors of the ahl and agl the whole world = the Middle East
No America, Australia, or China

Please explain the SDA difference between a believer with faith and a Born Again Christian
Answer here please

ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/541/believers-vrs-born-again?page=1&scrollTo=6880

Dec 26, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -5 Dave said:

Dec 25, 2021 20:16:27 GMT -5 Dave said:

Does this term gnosis really mean anything else except knowledge?
Correct Robert – gnosis means knowledge – nothing more or less
What does Jeff Benner say about gnosis?

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D"The Waldensians Bible of the French/Italians is the Latin Vulgate written by Roman Catholic Saint Jerome – how is this not Catholic

R" I will get back to you on this and many other answers you made. Too many themes running at the same time, overwhelming.

Shalom