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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2021 0:30:58 GMT -5
I have tried to be serious with you.
I also note you play word games with Gnostic views that differ from other videos presented on Gnosticism. So I see a problem in explaining your view to others if you have no videos that explain Gnostic (Daves view) correctly. The problem is Mr serious – is that instead of answering my questions – or reviewing my suggested videos on the subject – you founds as much outside crap to argue the word “gnostic”
Now I will be serious with you - I did some research myself Please defend these SDA Christian Teachings that you support
Robert believes that - You Cannot Enter The Church Of The Lord If Your Testicles Or Penis Have Been Removed
Robert claims that God the Father was once a man and that he then progressed to godhood (that is, he is a now-exalted, immortal man with a flesh-and-bone body).
Robert believes that the Trinity consists not of three persons in one God but rather of three distinct gods. According to Mormonism, there are potentially many thousands of gods besides these.
Robert believes that humans, like God the Father, can go through a process of exaltation to godhood.
Robert believes that Jesus Christ was the firstborn spirit-child of the heavenly Father and a heavenly Mother.
Robert believes Jesus is not Almighty God and that there is no Scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine
Robert believes A relatively small number of people—144,000—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.
Robert believes Evil and suffering. These began when one of God’s angels rebelled.
Robert believes People who die pass out of existence. (Psalm 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) They do not suffer in a fiery hell of torment.
Robert believes that if you truly believe the venom of vipers cannot harm you and it is OK to test that during a church service
Now I will be serious with you - I did some research myself on Christianity Please defend these SDA Christian Teachings that you support
Let’s see if you play word games with Christian views that differ from other doctrines of Christianity. So I see a problem in explaining your view to others
Salvation alone is not a useful thread, as Gnostics only seek knowledge of Jesus. So you have nothing
I have tried to be serious with you. – then defend these Christian views Why do you believe all this crap – it is all labeled Christian You say you are a Christian – so you must believe all this crap
This is the Robert method – does it feel serious to you?
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2021 11:36:37 GMT -5
Greetings Dave I have tried to be serious with you. Salvation alone is not a useful thread, as Gnostics only seek knowledge of Jesus. But salvation via Amanuah is useful to discuss, something Gnostic's do not understand. I have always made it perfectly clear – I choose the term Gnostic Christian for myself to separate myself from Roman Christendom – I do not support Catholic doctrine – In fact I believe that Catholic doctrine is a replacement theology The only non-Roman literature I bring to the discussion are the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – hidden from the Roman Edit for the generation of the end of days Because this literature is outside of Roman control – Rome calls it Gnostic Because this literature is outside of Roman control – Rome calls it heresy Because this literature is outside of Roman control – Rome says don’t read it The only non-Roman literature I bring to the discussion are the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – a real glimpse of what these disciples believed and understood These men walked and talked with Jesus Christ before and after His Resurrection These men walked and talked with Jesus Christ privately and personally These words scare Robert so badly that he has to make up stuff – misrepresent the truth – and outright lie in an attempt to tears them down.Question – why are Roman Christian afraid of these words? There are several answers – (1) For 2000 years all we have known is the Roman Version – it has a very Roman Polish – it is Rome centric and this literature is too Jewish in flavor for Roman Christians. Roman Christians forget – Jesus, James, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas were all 100% Jewish The First Christians were Messianic Jews – all of the authors of the agl (except Luke) were 100% Jewish Truth – Jewish theology at the time of Jesus Christ included the Kabbalah Truth – Jewish theology at the time of Jesus Christ included referenced to – Enoch and King Solomon Jesus Christ quoted King Solomon – everyone understood his reference to Beelzebub The agl quotes / uses Enoch 64 times – only second to Isaiah Roman Christians forget – God’s chosen people had a rich history walking with God – there is/was a lot more Jewish literature in the Temple than just the Temple Scroll (ahl) – The Temple was the official Library of Jewish history. Historical truth - Roman Christians forget – at the time of Jesus – books / manuscripts / written records were NOT laying around on everyone’s coffee stable – they were precious and few and housed in Libraries – Halls of Records Historical truth – when we uncover those libraries – they always contain many documents of different types because they contained it all Dead Sea Scrolls contain over 2000 different documents – not all are ahl Dead Sea Scrolls contain some documents called gnostic because they are non-canon Dead Sea Scrolls contain lists and records – inventories – government stuff Dead Sea Scrolls represent a complete library – of First Century theology of the Essenes Robert found a source to say – this literature is all gnostic The Jewish Kabbalah predates everything – the ahl itself speaks of 22 other books/titles that are credible sources of information – where do you suppose they kept those other titles? IN THE LIBRARY! Enoch is in that Library – oldest copy known = 350BC Egypt Robert found a source to say – this literature is all gnostic – Jewish Gnosticism 100s of years before Christ The Amarna letters – discovered 1887 – (I am looking at these currently – fascinating) A Library discovered in Amarna, Egypt – 1000s of clay documents from the Kings of Canaan to the Pharaoh of Egypt asking for help as Joshua wars against them The Nag Hammadi Library – is a Library from a group of First Century Messianic Jewish Christians The Nag Hammadi Library – contain many titles – different – irrelevant – opposing The Nag Hammadi Library – the writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas Robert found a source to say – this literature is all gnostic These men walked and talked with Jesus Christ before and after His Resurrection These men walked and talked with Jesus Christ privately and personally The only non-Roman literatures I bring to the discussion are the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – a real glimpse of what these disciples believed and understood Question – why are Roman Christian afraid of these words? There are several answers – (2) None of these Christians needed a priest or a church buildingAll of these authors were Pentecostal Christians – they spoke in tongues – they allowed the SPIRIT to flow through them to heal the sick All of these authors were Born Again Christians – they had a one on one – face to face – relationship with God NONE OF THESE CHRISTIANS NEEDED A PRIEST OT A CHURCH BUILDINGDavid alone in the wilderness – walking with God John the Baptist alone in the wilderness – walking with God Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Samson, Ruth, the Prophets None of these Christians needed a priest or a church building They belong to the Church of Christ that existed since the beginning – they are the Bride of Christ They are taught all they need to know by the spirit – because they can hear the spirit leading them If you are led by the Spirit of God – what do you need a Priest for? Historical Fact – The Roman EditWas so complete – the control of literature and information from the first 2 centuries AD was so overwhelming – that this time in history is ODD for its lack of literature Robert correctly pointed out – that even the history books were editedWrite something that Rome didn’t like and you could be put to death Question – where are the stories of the Roman losses? We know all about their victories. Robert correctly pointed out – The Roman Empire used religion as a tool to control / govern the population = the birth of Roman Catholicism and the Holy Roman Empire.BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT NEED A PRIEST A CHURCH BUILDING OR AN EMPEROROops! – If Born Again Pentecostal Christianity takes root in the population – who will fight for Rome? If America is a real Born Again Christian country – who will fight the wars? Imagine a soldier on the battlefield turning the other cheek – or loving his fellow man Question – why are Roman Christian afraid of these words? There are several answers – (3) Timing - Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven: Planet earth is in a population bubble that is about to collapse – this is an inescapable fact There is no escaping it - the world - ESPECIALLY WHITE WESTERN ROMAN CHRISTENDOM is going to suffer a population implosion with 30 years There is no escaping it – there is no economic model that can survive the coming collapse There is no escaping it – the planet is approaching a global READJUSTMENT The only quest is how it happens1- Financially there will be a global depression for years – the first sign will be hunger – followed by wars over food. I’ll say it again and again – the South China Sea conflict is not about shipping – China’s shipping has not been restricted – it is all about fishing rights = food 2- As governments attempt to control the chaos of collapse – government will have to become more authoritarian – to have a tighter control – it is inevitable 3- Sooner or later it will result in war – where – anywhere / everywhere – because sooner or later it will domino into a global conflict Question – why are Roman Christian afraid of these words? There are several answers – (3) Timing - Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven: 1945 WWII ends and the globe enters the stationary population phase – the Bretton Woods era – the greatest period of peace and technological advancement in human history 1945 Nag Hammadi Library is discovered and says – hidden for the generations of the end of days 1947 Dead Sea Scrolls are found and contains the War Scroll – all about the last battel between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness 1948 Israel returns to the Promised land Question – why are Roman Christians afraid of these words? There are several answers – (4) The only non-Roman literatures I bring to the discussion are the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – a real glimpse of what these disciples believed and understood. It is no surprise they are all Messianic Jews of the First Century AD and wrote of the BEAST of REVELATION, the serpent race, the devils, and satanas of the aglIt exposes Roman doctrine as a fraud – it exposes the extent of the Roman edit / thought police And it especially exposes the false doctrine of fallen angels as presented by Rome as a replace theology to hide the Reality of the Archon – for the sole purpose of forcing dependency upon the church These words scare Robert so badly that he has to make up stuff – misrepresent the truth – and outright lie in an attempt to tears them down – because the SDA have an entire denomination built upon Catholic Fallen Angels Robert has been taught to defend that Catholic doctrine no matter how badly he has to sacrifice the truth. Robert has been taught to reject anything that Rome doesn’t approve – DON’T LOOK AT REALITY pretend it doesn’t exist deny history – deny scripture – deny science that deals with empirical evidence – deny, misrepresent, and lie - it is a failed witness for the Lord I told Robert long ago - if you want to be an effective witness to me or any one - don't lie to meRobert – if you read this – I am not attacking you I am exposing the flawed man-made satan doctrine of the Roma Catholic ChurchIs there a satan in Gnostic Christianity – YESThe Gnostic Authors of the agl correctly identify him as THE BEAST of REVELATION, the serpent race, the devils, the satanas of the agl The agl is filled with satanas being the ‘sar’ of this WORLD, the serpent in the garden, and the devils od our world- Gnostic Paul calls these creatures our real struggle – Principalities, Archon, Shedim, Jinn, Shades, demons, spooks, goblins, scary things in the night – ‘other gods’ These words scare Robert so badly that he has to make up stuff – misrepresent the truth – and outright lie in an attempt to tears them down – because the SDA have an entire denomination built upon Catholic Fallen Angels
Robert fully accepts the Catholic doctrine of satan as the god of evil – he even admits he has two gods and two kingdomsDavid fully accepts the doctrine of the agl – which is the doctrine of the Gnostic authors of the agl – which is the doctrine of the Jewish people at the time of Jesus Christ – which is the doctrine of the First Christians who were all Messianic Jewish / Pentecostal Spirit Filled / led ChristiansThese words scare Robert so badly that he has to make up stuff – misrepresent the truth – and outright lie in an attempt to tears them down – because the SDA have an entire denomination built upon Catholic Fallen Angels – AND – the idea of become Born Again Spirit Filled / led Christian is a LIEIf my only choices are believe as Robert does – or as the disciples didI choose the authors of the agl who walked and talked with Christ before and after the ResurrectionPrecept upon precept, line upon line – Rome’s two words from Ezk 28 and their man-made doctrine of Fallen Angels - cannot rewrite Jewish theology of 3000 years – nor can it rewrite the reality of the 99% since the beginning - nor can it rewrite the reality we find ourselves in today
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 14:22:18 GMT -5
OK you write much, let's discuss one verse passage in Scripture
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science (gnosis) (knowledge) falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
It is clear to me, that Gnosis teachings were already trying to infiltrate into the true Hebrew gospel of the Apostles and Paul.
Not at some later time, but already affecting the true writings the Apostles wrote.
These false supporters were not called anything, but we can called them Gnostics.
This verse and some others like them prove that Gnostic views were spoiling the true writings in the Apostles and Paul's time. They wrote against them.
Comments by Adam Clark
And oppositions of science falsely so called] kai antiyeseiv thv qeudwnumou gnwsewv. And oppositions of knowledge falsely so named. Dr. Macknight's note here is worthy of much attention: "In the enumeration of the different kinds of inspiration bestowed on the first preachers of the Gospel, 1Co 12:8, we find the word of knowledge mentioned; by which is meant that kind of inspiration which gave to the apostles and superior Christian prophets the knowledge of the true meaning of the Jewish Scriptures. This inspiration the false teachers pretending to possess, dignified their misinterpretations of the ancient Scriptures with the name of knowledge, that is, inspired knowledge; for so the word signifies, 1Co 14:6. And as by these interpretations they endeavoured to establish the efficacy of the Levitical atonements, the apostle very properly termed these interpretations oppositions of knowledge, because they were framed to establish doctrines opposite to, and subversive of, the Gospel. To destroy the credit of these teachers, he affirmed that the knowledge from which they proceeded was falsely called inspired knowledge; for they were not inspired with the knowledge of the meaning of the Scriptures, but only pretended to it." Others think that the apostle has the Gnostics in view. But it is not clear that these heretics, or whatever they were, had any proper existence at this time. On the whole, Dr. Macknight's interpretation seems to be the best.
R" Maybe they were not Gnostics, we do not know clearly.
What is certain Simeon Magnus was around and written about in the NT. He was pretending to be a true believer, but wasn't. See Clarke's comment on Acts 8:24
I find the NT was not edited but perverted by others with different views. Certainly Rome did change things to suit them, with the adding of paganism into their religion.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2021 17:27:17 GMT -5
OK you write much, let's discuss one verse passage in Scripture 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science (gnosis) (knowledge) falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. It is clear to me, that Gnosis teachings were already trying to infiltrate into the true Hebrew gospel of the Apostles and Paul. Correct – your favorite Gnostic Simon Magnus is a perfect exampleThis Robert is a history lesson – Christians are weak on history – because they are not taught the Whole truth just the Roman version of it At the time of Jesus Christ – the Roman Empire was already steeped in four major religions The religion of Caesar – Zeus, Apollo, Venus, etc – ie - pagan The religion of Zorasterism – that teaches the Great Controversy between two gods locked in an eternal conflict (sound familure)The religion of Mithras – Born of a virgin, the Lamb of God, died upon a tree, and retuned to heaven And as always with Judaism – Tammuz – which is a SUN worship born on Dec 25th, died at age 40 by a bore – his mother returns to earth in an egg – on Eastern Sunday (Spring Equanox) to prove here divinity she changed a bird into an egg laying rabbit Today – Modern Roman Christendom teaches – Jesus was born on Dec 25th, His birth announced by 3 Kings, died upon a cross – and they celebrate his resurrection with a pig dinner on Easter Sunday Or – you have the Great Controversy between two gods locked in an eternal conflict It is clear to me, that Gnosis teachings were already trying to infiltrate into the true Hebrew gospel of the Apostles and Paul.And just how Hebrewish does Christianity look to you?Paul was a Jew – he was a educated in Jewish theology – we know this because he made his living making prayer cloths (tents) Comments by Adam Clark R" Maybe they were not Gnostics, we do not know clearly.Correct – whatever you call them – did they have secret knowledge of “Scriptures, but only pretended to it."What is certain Simeon Magnus was around and written about in the NT. He was pretending to be a true believer, but wasn't. See Clarke's comment on Acts 8:24 R" Maybe they were not Gnostics, we do not know clearly. Correct – Simon Magnus was a sorcerer – a witch doctor – a magic man – anything to make a buck preacher of anything that sells Before organized religion – there were many Magi were wandering healers /doctors / priest – just like a 13th Century Catholic FryerI find the NT was not edited but perverted by others with different views. Certainly Rome did change things to suit them, with the adding of paganism into their religion.And just how Hebrewish does Modern Roman Christianity look to you?In a post once – you said Jesus came to change it allNo he didn’t - Mat 5:17-20 He didn’t come to change a single thing
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Post by Dave on Dec 1, 2021 13:47:59 GMT -5
I find the NT was not edited but perverted (Roman Edit) by others with different views. Certainly Rome did change things to suit them (Roman Edit), with the adding of paganism into their religion. (Roman Edit) Question – how was the NT perverted Answer – by elimination – If - The (First) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The (Second) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Paul - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Peter - The Apocryphon (Secret Book) of James - The Gospel of the Egyptians - The Gospel of Philip - The Gospel of Thomas - The Gospel of Truth – or - The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers – were canon - there would be no Fallen Angel doctrineIf the Jewish Kabbalah (which you now identify as Gnostic) was embraced - there would be no Fallen Angel doctrine If King Solomon or Enoch – or the War Scroll were public - there would be no Fallen Angel doctrine All of this type of information was EDITED from the Bible by being edited out of the theology Even the Prayer of Paul had to go – ‘tell me what no archon ear has heard’ Not only is it edited out – it is banned – hunted down and destroyedWHY? – The First Christian and their literature is Pentecostal – spiritual If you are led by the Spirit of God – you do not need a priest a church – or an Emperor The state cannot use the church to control the population of – Spiritual Christians The extent of the Roman Edit is noticed – known – recognized throughout all literature There is more literature before Christ and more literature after 250/300AD But there is a literary gap during the first 2 centuries – because Rome destroyed it all Anything that was not pro-Rome was eliminated – history books, commentaries, plays, religious text EGYPT(google) According to tradition, in AD 49, about 19 years after the Ascension of Jesus, Mark travelled to Alexandria and founded the Church of Alexandria – today, the Coptic Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria, and the Coptic Catholic Church trace their origins to this original community. St Mark – Peters companion and scribe – author of the Gospel of Mark – which is the first Gospel written – the Gospel Mathew and Luke copied from – the First Pope of the Coptic Church
All of the first 4 ecumenical councils were presided over by a the Pope of Alexandria When they walk away from Rome – Rome could then back date Peter to be the first Pope in Rome at the same time the agl says he was in a Damascus prisonPOINT – the earliest church was Egyptian – Not RomanEgypt was a stronghold for Christianity – then And the Coptic are still there in Egypt - todayThe Nag Hammadi Library – is a Library from a 2nd Century Egyptian Messianic Jews – the First Christians The only surviving First Christian texts from the first 2 centuries The only surviving insight into what they taught, knew, understood, their theology Just as the Dead Sea Scrolls the only surviving Jewish Library from the first 2 centuries Christianity (Rome) does not like the Nag Hammadi – why would it? It is everything Rome didn’t want you to know! - (Reality of the Archon)Christianity (Rome) do not like the Dead Sea Scroll either – they are too Jewish and are a UFO contact group - (Reality of the Archon)Judaism doesn’t like the Dead Sea Scrolls – because they are not Jewish enough - and are a UFO contact group - (Reality of the Archon)Rome really hates the Jewish Kabbalah – because they are ‘mystic’ (spiritual) it speaks about some bad stuff - (Reality of the Archon)Everyone hates pagan gods – spirits - because they are ‘mystic’ (spiritual) - (Reality of the Archon)Everyone frowns on witchcraft and vudu - (Reality of the Archon)Everyone is beginning to accept UFOs and Aliens as part of our reality - (Reality of the Archon)Did Neil Armstrong see UFOs on the Moon? - (Reality of the Archon)Everyone today can see Israeli + YHWY (the 1%) face off against the rest of the Middle East with their ‘other gods’- under the command of Allah - (Reality of the Archon)In whose Bible does the (Reality of the Archon) embraced – Islam - the rest of the Middle East with their ‘other gods’- under the command of AllahToday – so many conspiracy stories – secret governments – shadow governments – Free Masons – Illuminati – the Bilderberg group – the 13 families that rule the world - (Reality of the Archon)Today - science - Thunder Energies Discovers Invisible Entities (ITEs) 2 types are seen – brights are darks – imagine that - (Reality of the Archon)Ancient history – ‘other gods’/spirits/demons in Australia, China, Africa, South and North America, Europe, Middle East, South Pole – pagan gods/spirits - (Reality of the Archon)The only thing the Nag Hammadi adds to the theology is (Reality of the Archon) Which is the reality of the Beast of Revelation, the serpent race, the devils, and satanas of the aglIf - The (First) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The (Second) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Paul - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Peter - The Apocryphon (Secret Book) of James - The Gospel of the Egyptians - The Gospel of Philip - The Gospel of Thomas - The Gospel of Truth – or - The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers – were canon - there would be no Fallen Angel doctrine Without the doctrine of Fallen Angels – suddenly all reality become clear – all our questions about the paranormal/demons/aliens and myth are answered - (Reality of the Archon)Without the doctrine of Fallen Angels – suddenly all reality become clear – all our questions about Roman catholic church history are answered - (Reality of the Archon)Why doesn’t Roman Christendom look Hebrewish? - (Reality of the Archon)Why does Christianity celebrate Dec 25th and Easter Sunday with a pig - (Reality of the Archon)Why did God command Israel to commit genocide on the 7 tribes of Amorite - (Reality of the Archon)Who are the ‘other gods’ of the First Commandment - (Reality of the Archon)The Nag Hammadi Library – is a Library from a 2nd Century Egyptian Messianic Jews – the First Christians - The only surviving First Christian texts from the first 2 centuries Just as the Dead Sea Scrolls the only surviving Jewish Library from the first 2 centuries The only surviving insight into what they taught, knew, understood, their theology Both deliberately buried for the generation of the end of days Both addressing the - (Reality of the Archon)1945 – WWII ends – Bretton Woods begins – humanity has the long period of peace in the planets history – we advance technologically and overpopulate the planet 1945 – Nag Hammadi Library is found 1947 – the Dead Sea Scrolls are found 1948 – Israel becomes a nation once again 1988 – was the year (fig Tree + 40 yr generation) – nothing happened My father was worried about Y2K – he would quote – the earth could last 1000 years but not 2000 (must have been from a sermon somewhere) May were worried about 2012 Harold Camp preached 11/11 (May 11, 2011) – nothing happened 2018 got a lot of attention (Fig Tree + 70 years) For me – if Christians keep setting dates – 2068 will be the year of Christianity Great Disappointment (Fig Tree + 120 yrs – Gen 6)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 15:51:55 GMT -5
D" Question – how was the NT perverted Answer – by elimination – If - The (First) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The (Second) Apocalypse (Revelation) of James - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Paul - The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Peter - The Apocryphon (Secret Book) of James - The Gospel of the Egyptians - The Gospel of Philip - The Gospel of Thomas - The Gospel of Truth – or - The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers – were canon - there would be no Fallen Angel doctrine But there is a literary gap during the first 2 centuries – because Rome destroyed it all The Nag Hammadi Library – is a Library from a 2nd Century Egyptian Messianic Jews – the First Christians The only surviving First Christian texts from the first 2 centuries
R" You raise an interesting theory here, but can it be validated? Consider the first lost book you claim should be added to the sacred writings:- thelostbooks.org/the-first-apocalypse-of-james/The First Apocalypse of James It is the Lord who spoke with me: “See now the completion of my redemption. I have given you a sign of these things, James, my brother. For not without reason have I called you my brother, although you are not my brother materially. And I am not ignorant concerning you; so that when I give you a sign – know and hear.”
Rob" what language is this translated from? Hebrew or Greek? “ Nothing existed except Him-who-is. He is unnameable and ineffable. I myself am also unnameable, from Him-who-is, just as I have been given a number of names – two from Him-who-is. And I, I am before you. Since you have asked concerning femaleness, femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first. And it prepared for itself powers and gods. But it did not exist when I came forth, since I am an image of Him-who-is. But I have brought forth the image of him so that the sons of Him-who-is might know what things are theirs and what things are alien (to them). Behold, I shall reveal to you everything of this mystery. For they will seize me the day after tomorrow. But my redemption will be near.”
Rob" But it (femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first) did not exist when I came forth, Should humans have understanding to the origins of God? Did Jesus really come forth? Pr 8:22 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. No clue here that Jesus was brought forth, in fact Jesus existed with the Father from eternity, is suggested here. Pr 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; Wisdom (as personified in the medium (HS) was brought forth... Not Jesus came forth. I see a problem here with this scroll already. James said, “Rabbi, you have said, ‘they will seize me.’ But I, what can I do?” He said to me, “Fear not, James. You too will they seize. But leave Jerusalem. For it is she who always gives the cup of bitterness to the sons of light. She is a dwelling place of a great number of archons. But your redemption will be preserved from them. So that you may understand who they are and what kinds they are, you will […]. And listen. They are not […] but archons […]. These twelve […] down […] archons […] upon his own hebdomad.”
Rob" The word "Archons" used here is Greek. Why is the word not translated in English as "rulers" ? Why is this English written "hebdomad" when it's not a common English word? Why not use "week" instead? James said, “Rabbi, are there then twelve hebdomads and not seven as there are in the scriptures?”
Rob" Twelve weeks is a reference to ? Not seven weeks as in the Scriptures? Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Scripture has a term for "week", no need to translate "hebdomad" , and I see no twelve weeks, or seven weeks anywhere? Da 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Rob" no twelve weeks, or seven weeks anywhere? These prophecies are very specific in references to time. Rob" 72 is interesting number, some say the ark had 72 ribs along each side, making 144 ribs altogether. Where is this number 72 week found in Scripture? The Lord said, “These are the seventy-two heavens, which are their subordinates. These are the powers of all their might; and they were established by them; and these are they who were distributed everywhere, existing under the authority of the twelve archons. The inferior power among them brought forth for itself angels and unnumbered hosts. Him-who-is, however, has been given […] on account of […] Him-who-is […] they are unnumbered. If you want to give them a number now, you will not be able to do so until you cast away from your blind thought, this bond of flesh which encircles you. And then you will reach Him-who-is. And you will no longer be James; rather you are the One-who-is. And all those who are unnumbered will all have been named.”
Rob" I find is strange this scroll adds to the mystery of the torah too much. " under the authority of the twelve archons. The inferior power among them brought forth for itself angels and unnumbered hosts" is quite a statement indeed. Can I view the the original verse under these words please? < James said,>, “Rabbi, in what way shall I reach Him-who-is, since all these powers and these hosts are armed against me?” He said to me, “These powers are not armed against you specifically, but are armed against another. It is against me that they are armed. And they are armed with other powers. But they are armed against me in judgment. They did not give […] to me in it […] through them […]. In this place […] suffering, I shall […]. He will […] and I shall not rebuke them. But there shall be within me a silence and a hidden mystery. But I am fainthearted before their anger.” Rob" "The archons are armed against Jesus in judgement" Interesting. James said, “Rabbi, if they arm themselves against you, then is there no blame?”
You have come with knowledge, that you might rebuke their forgetfulness. You have come with recollection, that you might rebuke their ignorance. But I was concerned because of you.
For you descended into a great ignorance, but you have not been defiled by anything in it. For you descended into a great mindlessness, and your recollection remained. You walked in mud, and your garments were not soiled, and you have not been buried in their filth, and you have not been caught. And I was not like them, but I clothed myself with everything of theirs.
There is in me forgetfulness, yet I remember things that are not theirs. There is in me [….], and I am in their […]. […] knowledge […] not in their sufferings […]. But I have become afraid before them, since they rule. For what will they do? What will I be able to say? Or what word will I be able to say that I may escape them?”
Rob" "The archons rule, but Jesus is not afraid before the archons. " Interesting The Lord said, “James, I praise your understanding and your fear. If you continue to be distressed, do not be concerned for anything else except your redemption. For behold, I shall complete this destiny upon this earth as I have said from the heavens. And I shall reveal to you your redemption.”
James said, “Rabbi, how, after these things, will you appear to us again? After they seize you, and you complete this destiny, you will go up to Him-who-is.” The Lord said, “James, after these things I shall reveal to you everything, not for your sake alone but for the sake of the unbelief of men, so that faith may exist in them. For a multitude will attain to faith and they will increase in […]. And after this I shall appear for a reproof to the archons. And I shall reveal to them that he cannot be seized. If they seize him, then he will overpower each of them. But now I shall go. Remember the things I have spoken and let them go up before you.” James said,”Lord, I shall hasten as you have said.” The Lord said farewell to him and fulfilled what was fitting.
When James heard of his suffering and was much distressed, they awaited the sign of his coming. And he came after several days. And James was walking upon the mountain which is called “Gaugelan”, with his disciples, who listened to him because they had been distressed, and he was […] a comforter, saying, “This is […] second […]” Then the crowd dispersed, but James remained […] prayer […], as was his custom. Rob" Where is this mountain "Gaugelan”, ? R" Besides the above, many other ecclesiastical philosophers flourished in the territories of Edessa and Amida, and about the mountain called Gaugalius; among these were Daniel and Simeon. But I shall now say nothing further of the Syrian monks; I shall further on, if God will, describe them more fully." " A footnote in Nag Hammadi Codices V, 2-5 and VI: With Papyrus Berolinensis 8502, 1 and 4, edited by Douglas M Parrott (ed) (Brill) explains that this is probably Golgotha, and "in Syriac the name of the mount is Gagultha ... there may be a link with Gaugal, a mountain near Amida, mentioned by Syriac writers ..." I've never heard Golgotha ever referenced as anything but "the place of the skull" outside Jerusalem. More info please." R" I agree, more info please... cannot find a reference to mountain "Gaugelan”... And the Lord appeared to him. Then he stopped (his) prayer and embraced him. He kissed him, saying, “Rabbi, I have found you! I have heard of your sufferings, which you endured. And I have been much distressed. My compassion you know. Therefore, on reflection, I was wishing that I would not see this people. They must be judged for these things that they have done. For these things that they have done are contrary to what is fitting.”
The Lord said, “James, do not be concerned for me or for this people. I am he who was within me. Never have I suffered in any way, nor have I been distressed. And this people has done me no harm. But this (people) existed as a type of the archons, and it deserved to be destroyed through them. But […] the archons, […] who has […] but since it […] angry with […] The just […] is his servant. Therefore your name is “James the Just”. You see how you will become sober when you see me. And you stopped this prayer. Now since you are a just man of God, you have embraced me and kissed me. Truly I say to you that you have stirred up great anger and wrath against yourself. But (this has happened) so that these others might come to be.”
Rob" "this (people) existed as a type of the archons" Interesting. But James was timid (and) wept. And he was very distressed. And they both sat down upon a rock. The Lord said to him, “James, thus you will undergo these sufferings. But do not be sad. For the flesh is weak. It will receive what has been ordained for it. But as for you, do not be timid or afraid”. The Lord ceased.
Now when James heard these things, he wiped away the tears in his eyes and very bitter […] which is […]. The Lord said to him, “James, behold, I shall reveal to you your redemption. When you are seized, and you undergo these sufferings, a multitude will arm themselves against you that <they> may seize you. And in particular three of them will seize you – they who sit (there) as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they also take away souls by theft. When you come into their power, one of them who is their guard will say to you, ‘Who are you or where are you from?’ You are to say to him, ‘I am a son, and I am from the Father.’ He will say to you, ‘What sort of son are you, and to what father do you belong?’ You are to say to him, ‘I am from the Pre-existent Father, and a son in the Pre-existent One.’ When he says to you, […], you are to say to him […] in the […] that I might […].” Rob" "‘I am from the Pre-existent Father, and a son in the Pre-existent One" correct, than why add the confusing statement , "when I came forth". This scroll seems contradictory and weird. ‘ […] of alien things?’ You are to say to him, ‘They are not entirely alien, but they are from Achamoth, who is the female. And these she produced as she brought down the race from the Pre-existent One. So then they are not alien, but they are ours. They are indeed ours because she who is mistress of them is from the Pre-existent One. Rob" Why not say "Most HIgh" instead we add for first time in the torah " pre-existent one" Why use the term "pre-existent one" as a term for Father, when it is a common term for Jesus as the pre-existent one" ? And who is "Achamoth" ? Indeed not even many beings are named, but suddenly there are many now. At the same time they are alien because the Pre-existent One did not have intercourse with her, when she produced them.’ When he also says to you, ‘Where will you go?’, you are to say to him, ‘To the place from which I have come, there shall I return.’ And if you say these things, you will escape their attacks. Rob" Weird, totally not sacred writings, no where does the torah speak of God having sex with femaleness beings, totally weird to even explain mysteries. “But when you come to these three detainers who take away souls by theft in that place […] these. You […] a vessel […] much more than […] of the one whom you […] for […] her root. You too will be sober […]. But I shall call upon the imperishable knowledge, which is Sophia who is in the Father (and) who is the mother of Achamoth. Achamoth had no father nor male consort, but she is female from a female. She produced you without a male, since she was alone (and) in ignorance as to what lives through her mother because she thought that she alone existed. But I shall cry out to her mother. And then they will fall into confusion (and) will blame their root and the race of their mother. But you will go up to what is yours […] you will […] the Pre-existent One.”
Rob" Weird, totally not sacred writings, unpack these lines... How can the HS Sophia be in the Father? How can HS Sophia who in in the Father be the Mother of Achamoth? How can Achamoth be without a father, if Sophia was in the Father? How can Sophia who is in the Father as masculine, become totally feminine? And this totally feminine produce a totally feminine Achamoth, who produced humans I assume? No wonder the early Christians rejected this scroll of Gnostic heresay. What else is it? 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of GNOSIS 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. “They are a type of the twelve disciples and the twelve pairs, […] Achamoth, which is translated ‘Sophia’. And who I myself am, (and) who the imperishable Sophia (is) through whom you will be redeemed, and (who are) all the sons of Him-who-is – these things they have known and have hidden within them. You are to hide <these things> within you, and you are to keep silence. But you are to reveal them to Addai. When you depart, immediately war will be made with this land. Weep, then, for him who dwells in Jerusalem. But let Addai take these things to heart. In the tenth year let Addai sit and write them down. And when he writes them down […] and they are to give them […] he has the […] he is called Levi. Then he is to bring […] word […] from what I said earlier […] a woman […] Jerusalem in her […] and he begets two sons through her. They are to inherit these things and the understanding of him who […] exalts. And they are to receive […] through him from his intellect. Now, the younger of them is greater. And may these things remain hidden in him until he comes to the age of seventeen years […] beginning […] through them. They will pursue him exceedingly, since they are from his […] companions. He will be proclaimed through them, and they will proclaim this word. Then he will become a seed of […].” James said, “I am satisfied […] and they are […] my soul. Yet another thing I ask of you: who are the seven women who have been your disciples? And behold all women bless you. I also am amazed how powerless vessels have become strong by a perception which is in them.” The Lord said, “You […] well […] a spirit of […], a spirit of thought, a spirit of counsel of a […], a spirit […] a spirit of knowledge […] of their fear. […] when we had passed through the breath of this archon who is named Adonaios […] him and […] he was ignorant […] when I came forth from him, he remembered that I am a son of his. He was gracious to me at that time as his son. And then, before <I> appeared here, <he> cast them among this people. And from the place of heaven the prophets […].” Rob" when we had passed through the breath of this archon who is named Adonaios " What is this about? James said, “Rabbi, […] I […] all together […] in them especially […].” The Lord said, “James, I praise you […] walk upon the earth […] the words while he […] on the […]. For cast away from you the cup which is bitterness. For some from […] set themselves against you. For you have begun to understand their roots from beginning to end. Cast away from yourself all lawlessness. And beware lest they envy you. When you speak these words of this perception, encourage these four: Salome and Mariam and Martha and Arsinoe […] since he takes some […] to me he is […] burnt offerings and […]. But I […] not in this way; but […] first-fruits of the […] upward […] so that the power of God might appear. The perishable has gone up to the imperishable and the female element has attained to this male element.”
James said, “Rabbi, into these three (things), then, has their […] been cast. For they have been reviled, and they have been persecuted […]. Behold […] everything […] from anyone […]. For you have received […] of knowledge. And […] that what is the […] go […] you will find […]. But I shall go forth and shall reveal that they believed in you, that they may be content with their blessing and salvation, and this revelation may come to pass.” And he went at that time immediately and rebuked the twelve and cast out of them contentment concerning the way of knowledge […].
[…]. And the majority of them […] when they saw, the messenger took in […]. The others […] said, “[…] him from this earth. For he is not worthy of life.” These, then, were afraid. They arose, saying, “We have no part in this blood, for a just man will perish through injustice” James departed so that […] look […] for we […] him.Rob's discussion of this scroll. Some weird stuff here, some contradicts itself, some contradicts known scripture. I agree with Scripture: 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of GNOSIS 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. This might explain why such Gnostic scrolls were never copied and recopied along with the other scrolls. They were lost for a reason. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2021 0:40:07 GMT -5
But there is a literary gap during the first 2 centuries – because Rome destroyed it all The Nag Hammadi Library – is a Library from a 2nd Century Egyptian Messianic Jews – the First Christians The only surviving First Christian texts from the first 2 centuries R" You raise an interesting theory here, but can it be validated?The Roman effort to control what people though and believed is a historical recordIt wasn’t just religious text that were destroyed – but all types of non-pro-Roman literature was erased from history Consider the first lost book you claim should be added to the sacred writings:- 1- Never have I argued that any of these should be Canon 2- I really question why Rome worked so hard to destroy this information 3- it is just not canon – it is banned and burned and you could be put to death for reading it 4- we are supposed to believe that the same authors of the agl also wrote heresy 5- Christin theology has been shaped and adjusted (defined) over the centuries by 100s of Catholic Saints – but the disciples themselves – they wrote heresy The First Apocalypse of JamesRob" what language is this translated from? Hebrew or Greek?We have been over this many times as well – all of it is Coptic“Nothing existed except Him-who-is. He is unnameable and ineffable. I myself am also unnameable, from Him-who-is, just as I have been given a number of names – two from Him-who-is. And I, I am before you. Since you have asked concerning femaleness, femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first. And it prepared for itself powers and gods. But it did not exist when I came forth, since I am an image of Him-who-is. But I have brought forth the image of him so that the sons of Him-who-is might know what things are theirs and what things are alien (to them). Behold, I shall reveal to you everything of this mystery. For they will seize me the day after tomorrow. But my redemption will be near.” Rob" But it (femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first) did not exist when I came forth, Should humans have understanding to the origins of God? Did Jesus really come forth? No clue here that Jesus was brought forth, in fact Jesus existed with the Father from eternity, is suggested here. Not Jesus came forth. I see a problem here with this scroll already.If you are not serious I will not discuss this with youYou have so many unanswered questions here – and instead of standing up ans just answering questions – you evade so you can avoid by changing the topic so something else so you can ask more questions instead of answering ones The Gospel of the EgyptiansThree powers came forth from him; they are the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son, from the living silence, what came forth from the incorruptible Father. These came forth from the silence of the unknown Father. … From that place, the three powers came forth, the three ogdoads that the Father brings forth in silence with his providence, from his bosom, i.e., the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son. The <first> ogdoad, because of which the thrice-male child came forth, which is the thought, and the word, and the incorruption, and the eternal life, the will, the mind, and the foreknowledge, the androgynous Father. The second ogdoad-power, the Mother, the virginal Barbelon, epititioch[...]ai, memeneaimen[...], who presides over the heaven, karb[...], the uninterpretable power, the ineffable Mother. She originated from herself [...]; she came forth; she agreed with the Father of the silent silence. The third ogdoad-power, the Son of the silent silence, and the crown of the silent silence, and the glory of the Father, and the virtue of the Mother, he brings forth from the bosom the seven powers of the great light of the seven voices. And the word is their completion. These are the three powers, the three ogdoads that the Father, through his providence, brought forth from his bosom. He brought them forth at that place. E the first godhead = the thrice male child (3d Christ) C2 – HS – the Sprit of God – feminine Mother M – the Son – the (thrice male child) Rob" The word "Archons" used here is Greek. Why is the word not translated in English as "rulers" ? Why is this English written "hebdomad" when it's not a common English word? Why not use "week" instead?BOOM – Just watch a youtube about textual criticisms - your modern Bible is a polished copy of over 5500 different ancient texts – with over 630,000 textual variations The document you are reading – is a standalone – translated as is … Those who collected this library were Christians, and many of the essays were originally composed by Christian authors. … Again from the INTRODUCTION of my copyThe texts were translated one by one from Greek into Coptic, and not always by translators xapable of grasping the profundity or sublimity od what they sought to translate. The translator od a brief sections of Plato’s Republic clearly did not understand the text … Fortunately, most texts are better translated, but when there are duplications one can sense the difference a better translation makes in comparison to the poor translation – which leads one to wonder about the bulk of the text that exist in only one single version. There is this same type of hazard in the transmission of the texts by a series of scribes who copied them, generation after generation, from increasing corrupt copies, first in Greek and then in Coptic. The number of unintentional errors is hard to estimate, since such a thing as a clean control copy does not exist; nor dose one have, as in the case of the Bible, a quantity of manuscripts of the same text that tend to correct each other when compared. Hundreds of copies of the synoptic Gospels were compiled together to make the modern Roman Canon How many copies of the Gospel of Phillip exist in the entire world – ONE James said, “Rabbi, are there then twelve hebdomads and not seven as there are in the scriptures?” Rob" Twelve weeks is a reference to ? Not seven weeks as in the Scriptures?Numbers are often disputed – the textual criticism thing I just watch talk about 666 vrs 616 – all of the oldest text all have 616 – all text today have 666Rob" 72 is interesting number, some say the ark had 72 ribs along each side, making 144 ribs altogether. Where is this number 72 week found in Scripture?Remember – this text is speaking about the archons who are the Jinn of IslamIf you die for Allah you are promised 72 mansions with a virgin eachRob" I find is strange this scroll adds to the mystery of the torah too much. "under the authority of the twelve archons. The inferior power among them brought forth for itself angels and unnumbered hosts" is quite a statement indeed.This scroll is referring to a Reality of the Archon that ends up in the KoranCan I view the the original verse under these words please?Answered many time for youDigital images of the original Nag Hammadi Codices are now available online at the Claremont Colleges Digital Library.Rob" "The archons are armed against Jesus in judgement" Interesting.YES – spiritual war fareRob" "The archons rule, but Jesus is not afraid before the archons. " InterestingThey are nothing to fear – they are just noise in the backgroundPsa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Rob" Where is this mountain "Gaugelan”, ?Remember – possible spelling errors – it is a rough translationProbable match = Golgotha, (Aramaic: “Skull”) also called Calvary, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”), skull-shaped hill in ancient Jerusalem, the site of Jesus' crucifixion. Cannot rule out = Mount Gaugela is in Syria I've never heard Golgotha ever referenced as anything but "the place of the skull" outside Jerusalem. More info please." According to many scholars, Golgotha and the ancient site of Mount Moriah may be the same area. In other words, scholars believe that Jesus may have been crucified near Moriah or at its summit. In Christianity it is also called Calvery I bet the Arabs had their own names for it Rob" "this (people) existed as a type of the archons" Interesting.Archon are 100% SELF Is there any of that with man? (yester ra)Rob" "‘I am from the Pre-existent Father, and a son in the Pre-existent One" correct, than why add the confusing statement , "when I came forth". This scroll seems contradictory and weird.Before creation – there was no creation for God to have an image in E – God - Christ pre-existed before the (=) Then he was manifest E=mc2 along with the HS- who also pre-existed as EAnd who is "Achamoth" ? Indeed not even many beings are named, but suddenly there are many now.Hebrew: חכמה chokhmah H2451 - wisdom Sophia (Gnosticism) - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sophia_(Gnosticism) Sophia is a major theme, along with Knowledge... She is occasionally referred to by the Hebrew equivalent of Achamōth . Achamōth Archives - The Spiritual Lifehttps://slife.org › tag › achamoth Achamōth. A mystical depiction of Sophia from Geheime Figuren der Rosenkreuzer, Altona, The HS – Sophia – The Goddess of Wisdom – the teacher of knowledge (agl Comforter) Do not start getting tongue twisted over words What is the definition of el? Lord, God, Adonai, Creator, Master, Theos, YHWY, etc etcShakespeare – a rose by any other name still smells just as sweetAt the same time they are alien because the Pre-existent One did not have intercourse with her, when she produced them A different text say – without her consort knowledge Judaism just says – don’t let the right hand know what the left hand is doing Just meaning – something are obvious and out in the open – something are a mysteryRob" Weird, totally not sacred writings, unpack these lines...How can the HS Sophia be in the Father? - TRINITYHow can HS Sophia who in in the Father be the Mother of Achamoth? - TRINITYHow can Achamoth be without a father, if Sophia was in the Father? - TRINITYHow can Sophia who is in the Father as masculine, become totally feminine? - TRINITYAnd this totally feminine produce a totally feminine Achamoth, who produced humans I assume? Trinity – now you answer which came first – the chicken or the egg And YES – the HS is the WOMB of creation - feminine Rob" when we had passed through the breath of this archon who is named Adonaios " What is this about?Do Not forget – when it says […] do you understand what this means?It could mean one letter is missing – or two pages Too much missing – thank you Rome Do I understand what the point is here – no – not enough informationSome weird stuff here, some contradicts itself, some contradicts known scripture.From what you posted – there is not enough surviving information so say what is hereNo different than any other ancient text – except in the 5500 ancient copies of the agl – what one lacks another has – we do not have this luxury with the Nag Hammadi Library thanks to Rome This might explain why such Gnostic scrolls were never copied and recopied along with the other scrolls. They were lost for a reason.YES THEY WEREThe Apocryphon of JohnAnd the savior presented these things to him that he might write them down and keep them secure. The Gospel of the EgyptiansThis is the book which the great Seth wrote, and placed in high mountains on which the sun has not risen, nor is it possible (that it should do so). And since the days of the prophets and the apostles and the preachers, the name has not at all risen upon their hearts, nor is it possible (that it should do so). And their ear has not heard it. The great Seth wrote this book with letters in one hundred and thirty years. He placed it in the mountain that is called 'Charaxio,' in order that, at the end of the times and the eras, by the will of the divine Autogenes and the whole pleroma, through the gift of the untraceable, unthinkable, fatherly love, it may come forth and reveal this incorruptible, holy race of the great savior, and those who dwell with them in love, and the great, invisible, eternal Spirit, and his only-begotten Son, and the eternal light, and his great, incorruptible consort, and the incorruptible Sophia, and the Barbelon, and the whole pleroma in eternity. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 15:42:29 GMT -5
D"We have been over this many times as well – all of it is Coptic R" Coptic? Alexander in Egypt was founded by Alexander, Greek.
Why is it written in Coptic, not Greek or Hebrew?
D"The <first> ogdoad, because of which the thrice-male child came forth, which is the thought, and the word, and the incorruption, and the eternal life, the will, the mind, and the foreknowledge, the androgynous Father.
R" THis is really an excellent written proof of your three expressions idea isn't it Dave? Except it doesn't come from Hebrew writings?
D" The texts were translated one by one from Greek into Coptic, and not always by translators xapable of grasping the profundity or sublimity od what they sought to translate R" I see. Why don't Greek copies exist? ---------------------
You reply nicely Dave. Thanks. You follow texts in Coptic, some missing, thanks to Rome Edit. maybe.
I think it's better to follow what is commonly revealed to us in Hebrew. Isn't this supported by God during the reformation? Or are you saying God held back some of his truth until 1945?
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2021 17:13:12 GMT -5
R" Coptic? Alexander in Egypt was founded by Alexander, Greek. Why is it written in Coptic, not Greek or Hebrew? DUH – Coptic is Greek in Egyptian Why don't Greek copies exist?YES Robert – why is a lot of literature missing from the first two centuries ADIf only history had some clue why these texts were destroyed www.jstor.org/stable/44079972BOOK BURNING AS CONFLICT MANAGEMENT IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE (213 BCE – 200 CE)Dirk Rohmann This article investigates the practice of book burning in the Roman Empire from the first recorded incident in 213 BCE until the second century CE. While the introduction of Greek literary traditions was sometimes seen negatively in republican Rome, cases of book burning are few and only related to subversive religious writings. Dissidence in writing often was the cause for severe punishment in the imperial period, but the emperors very rarely tried to remove books from circulation by deliberate destruction. In nearly all of the few cases of reported book burning, it was both with the formal permission and in the interest of senators who may have felt slandered that these books were ordered to be burnt. Book Did Early Christians Destroy Pagan Literature? - James Hannamhttps://jameshannam.com › literature That is not to say that many texts were not destroyed by the Christian Roman Emperors. We find that in fact they were, but often for reasons completely ... The Darkening Age: The Christian Destruction of the Classical ...https://www.theguardian.com › books › dec › the-darke... Dec 28, 2017 — The pre-Christian Roman empire, he believed, was characterised by ... loot and destroy artwork, forbid traditional practices and burn books. Why don't Greek copies exist?IT IS NO SECRETE – you need to read more church historyThe reality you choose to ignore is the reason they were hidden and when they were found - 1945 , 1945, 1947, 1948 I think it's better to follow what is commonly revealed to us in HebrewAbsolutely no one who sticks to the Hebrew believes in Catholic SatanI have begged you for a pre-Roman example – still waiting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 14:36:26 GMT -5
D"I have begged you for a pre-Roman example – still waiting
R" I will get back to you on this idea. I will try to find history that some seventh day worshiping group believed in the Great Controversy between Satan and GOD, as Ezekiel 28 teaches.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -5
Rome invented the SDA - so - How will that prove that your Hebrew satan was the god of evil before Rome unvented him?
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