Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2021 14:41:45 GMT -5
[Talk Gnosis] Modern Archons
Gnostic Wisdom Network
Monsignor Scott Rassbach of the Rose Cross Community, AJC in Portland, OR sits down with the bishops to discuss the archons
OK ROBERT – you posted this – and you made a total review of 8 points
1- Practicing Gnosis Scott Rassbach
2- Archons are Barriers to soul exiting material world
3- Mother of Archons are Sophia
4- Origin wants to be accurate, ...?
5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
6- Biship Ken (orinetal Apostolic Church of Damascus)
7- Nothing much...too boring
8- Some more helping you out:
8- Some more helping you out
OK – I am not afraid to honestly review your video selction – even if you will not return the favor
7- Nothing much...too boring
They are not entertainers – they are academic in their approach – you find it flat
It is only boring if you are not listening
6- Biship Ken (orinetal Apostolic Church of Damascus)
1- Practicing Gnosis Scott Rassbach
YES – I have told you before that I attended their associated chapel in Seattle Washington
I did not attend their service – I accessed their library and was disappointed that it was micro-fish
I have also said I do not support all of their video’s because they go to far – too bazaar – too removed from Jewish scripture
POINT – if you were listening – the female is a Christian Seminary Graduate
POINT – the man speaks of “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” and “MODERN GNOSTIC” –
In Reference to “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” – he quotes stories from “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” literature
In Reference to “MODERN GNOSTIC” he only refers to the struggles of the WORLD
POINT - Roberts rush to mash the two together into my view is noted
David’s view – YHWY = the One True Creator – he gave the ahl to the Jews – the Jews gave us Jesus Christ –who was a Jew – who gave us the Oral Gospel (message) – which was then written into the agl Gospel
David’s view – Before Rome – The First Christians were primarily Messianic Jews – They were Jews with Jewish theology that accepted Jesus as the Messiah who said he did NOT come to change a thing (Mat 5)
David’s view – what was that Jewish theology of Jesus Christ and the First Christians
King Solomon, Enoch, the Book of Creation, The Book of Giants + many more were all a part of the common knowledge of the audience of the agl – because it forms Jewish theology – it was the Jewish theology of the Jesus the Jew – who did not come to change it – but to fulfill it
This theology was given to us today by Mathew, Mark (The First Pope of the Coptic Church) – who was Peter’s scribe – Paul (the educated Jew) and Luke his companion, John the author of a Gospel, 3 Letters, and the Book of Revelation, James the brother of Jesus, Jude the other brother of Jesus.
The Nag Hammadi Library
James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas all wrote text not within the agl by ROMAN EDIT
It reflect the thoughts and ‘mind-set’ – the understanding – the common knowledge of their time
They reflect the First Christians that walked and talked with Jesus Christ both before and after His Resurrection
i.e. - 5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
POINT – David is NOT a “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” or a “MODERN GNOSTIC”
DAVID IS A GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN
[Talk Gnosis] Modern Archons
00:30 – right away they begin discussing “Classical Gnostic” views
What are these views – they pre-date Jesus Christ – and reflect on Eph 6:12 Our Real Struggle
What are the archon views that pre-date Jesus? = shedim in Hebrew and Jinn in Arabic
5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
2- Archons are Barriers to soul exiting material world
YES – from God we came – and to God we return as we exit this material world
Yes – the archon want you focused upon WORLD and hinder your spiritual growth by keeping you preoccupied with WORLD
3- Mother of Archons are Sophia
Sophia = The Goddess of Wisdom = The one who teaches = The Comforter = the HS
The Left Hand of God – the Hand of mystery and discipline
God says and creates a thing – Right Hand
The Beast just appeared – Left Hand
A 100% Jewish expression written straight into the agl (Mat 6)
2:00 – The Soul comes into the WORLD through the gate of cancer to the Moon – then gate of Capricorn = CLACSSICAL not within the Nag Hammadi
Ancient Gnostic belief that we had to climb our way up through the planets / heavens / overcoming an archon of that realm = The Egyptian Book of the Dead – Not The Nag Hammadi
4- Origin wants to be accurate, ...?
Origin vrs Celcus – do you understand the reference
(wiki) Origen of Alexandria ( c. 184 – c. 253), also known as Origen Adamantius, was an early Christian scholar, ascetic, and theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria
Origen = an Egyptian Coptic Christian – defending Jesus Christ against
(wiki) Celsus (/ˈsɛlsəs/; Hellenistic Greek: Κέλσος, Kélsos; fl. 175–177 CE) was a 2nd-century Greek philosopher and opponent of early Christianity.
3:00 – origen excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church 4 times after his death
(wiki) Why is Origen not a Catholic saint?
It is not hard to see how Origen did not make it as a canonized saint or official theologian. His cosmology assumed the pre-existence of souls, an idea favored by Jewish
Canon 29 - Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
4:55 – commonalities –
1- get past the archon = overcoming this WORLD
2- the archon associated with the planets
YES – where did they go when they were ejected by the flood = off world but close to man
One text says – the 7 visible heavenly bodies
What 7? Doesn’t say – but isn’t the mythology of planets interesting - gods of the heavens – Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Saturn, the MOON – Venus
Closes enough to man to be WATCHERS
5:55 – the discussion turns to “Modern Archons”
7:15 – fear, pride – any of the sins all = archon (because it all = WORLD)
7:35 – the archon have different tools today
YES – ancient man needed ‘other gods’ with war and sacrifice that kept them busy
Today – we are to educated to fall for “gods’ – we have education and technology
But all of it is just a Modern Application of WORLD
Distraction / addictions/ drugs / internet / smart phones / text messaging
The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.
8:30 – Mercury = planet mythology – a trickster – Mercury in Retrograde
12:10 – HOW DO WE INTERACT with modern archon
The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
Modern culture / movies / governments
12:50- we have 3 choices / 3 way to deal with the archon
1 – join it – lost to the world
2 – avoid it – not possible with in their kingdom
3- make it work for you
HOW COULD IT WORK FOR US?
1- The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
Rom 1;19 + Psa 19:2 + real unbiased science + mathamatics + world history + currenet events
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,(archon)
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
1- The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
12:50 – Spiritual Archon?
His answer is perfect – 3 levels
This speaks to me because I am 3D – and my God = God on every D = Trinity
14:20 His answer– 3 levels
1- material – pain, addictions,
2- psychic – mind things in your head
3- pneumatic (weird word choice – pneuma = Greek for spirit)
I would say - Material / psychic / and spiritual
He says all 3 must work together to overcome WORLD
POINT – I am a Gnostic Christian – HE FAILS to mention Jesus Christ and Salvation and the power of the spirit in our lives – spiritual healings – spiritual discernment
And even tho I do not speak in tongues – I will not MOCK them – who am I to judge
15:50 – we need to remember this is a long game
Enoch LXV:4 "And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation."
15:50 – we need to remember this is a long game
Authoritative Teaching
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
And why is the game / contest / LIFE / hard and seeming unrewarding at times
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
And why is the game / contest / LIFE / hard and seeming unrewarding at times
The Exegesis on the Soul
For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance."
And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), "Say to the children of my people, 'If your sins extend from earth to heaven, and if they become red like scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, and if you return to me with all your soul and say to me 'my Father!', I will heed you as a holy people.'"
Again another place (Is 30:15), "Thus says the lord, the holy one of Israel: "If you return and sigh, then you will be saved and will know where you were when you trusted in what is empty."
Again he said in another place (Is 30:19-20), "Jerusalem wept much, saying, 'Have pity on me.' He will have pity on the sound of your weeping. And when he saw, he heeded you. And the lord will give you bread of affliction and water of oppression. From now on, those who deceive will not approach you again. Your eyes will see those who are deceiving you."
Therefore it is fitting to pray to God night and day, spreading out our hands towards him as do people sailing in the middle of the sea: they pray to God with all their heart without hypocrisy. For those who pray hypocritically deceive only themselves. Indeed, it is in order that he might know who is worthy of salvation that God examines the inward parts and searches the bottom of the heart. For no one is worthy of salvation who still loves the place of deception.
Gnostic Wisdom Network
Monsignor Scott Rassbach of the Rose Cross Community, AJC in Portland, OR sits down with the bishops to discuss the archons
OK ROBERT – you posted this – and you made a total review of 8 points
Nov 9, 2021 3:55:40 GMT -5 @robertt said:
1- Practicing Gnosis Scott Rassbach
2- Archons are Barriers to soul exiting material world
3- Mother of Archons are Sophia
4- Origin wants to be accurate, ...?
5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
6- Biship Ken (orinetal Apostolic Church of Damascus)
7- Nothing much...too boring
8- Some more helping you out:
8- Some more helping you out
OK – I am not afraid to honestly review your video selction – even if you will not return the favor
7- Nothing much...too boring
They are not entertainers – they are academic in their approach – you find it flat
It is only boring if you are not listening
6- Biship Ken (orinetal Apostolic Church of Damascus)
1- Practicing Gnosis Scott Rassbach
YES – I have told you before that I attended their associated chapel in Seattle Washington
I did not attend their service – I accessed their library and was disappointed that it was micro-fish
I have also said I do not support all of their video’s because they go to far – too bazaar – too removed from Jewish scripture
POINT – if you were listening – the female is a Christian Seminary Graduate
POINT – the man speaks of “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” and “MODERN GNOSTIC” –
In Reference to “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” – he quotes stories from “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” literature
In Reference to “MODERN GNOSTIC” he only refers to the struggles of the WORLD
POINT - Roberts rush to mash the two together into my view is noted
David’s view – YHWY = the One True Creator – he gave the ahl to the Jews – the Jews gave us Jesus Christ –who was a Jew – who gave us the Oral Gospel (message) – which was then written into the agl Gospel
David’s view – Before Rome – The First Christians were primarily Messianic Jews – They were Jews with Jewish theology that accepted Jesus as the Messiah who said he did NOT come to change a thing (Mat 5)
David’s view – what was that Jewish theology of Jesus Christ and the First Christians
King Solomon, Enoch, the Book of Creation, The Book of Giants + many more were all a part of the common knowledge of the audience of the agl – because it forms Jewish theology – it was the Jewish theology of the Jesus the Jew – who did not come to change it – but to fulfill it
This theology was given to us today by Mathew, Mark (The First Pope of the Coptic Church) – who was Peter’s scribe – Paul (the educated Jew) and Luke his companion, John the author of a Gospel, 3 Letters, and the Book of Revelation, James the brother of Jesus, Jude the other brother of Jesus.
The Nag Hammadi Library
James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas all wrote text not within the agl by ROMAN EDIT
It reflect the thoughts and ‘mind-set’ – the understanding – the common knowledge of their time
They reflect the First Christians that walked and talked with Jesus Christ both before and after His Resurrection
i.e. - 5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
POINT – David is NOT a “CLASSICAL GNOSTIC” or a “MODERN GNOSTIC”
DAVID IS A GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN
[Talk Gnosis] Modern Archons
00:30 – right away they begin discussing “Classical Gnostic” views
What are these views – they pre-date Jesus Christ – and reflect on Eph 6:12 Our Real Struggle
What are the archon views that pre-date Jesus? = shedim in Hebrew and Jinn in Arabic
5- Not clear cut who was Christian and who was Gnostic? 3:47
2- Archons are Barriers to soul exiting material world
YES – from God we came – and to God we return as we exit this material world
Yes – the archon want you focused upon WORLD and hinder your spiritual growth by keeping you preoccupied with WORLD
3- Mother of Archons are Sophia
Sophia = The Goddess of Wisdom = The one who teaches = The Comforter = the HS
The Left Hand of God – the Hand of mystery and discipline
God says and creates a thing – Right Hand
The Beast just appeared – Left Hand
A 100% Jewish expression written straight into the agl (Mat 6)
2:00 – The Soul comes into the WORLD through the gate of cancer to the Moon – then gate of Capricorn = CLACSSICAL not within the Nag Hammadi
Ancient Gnostic belief that we had to climb our way up through the planets / heavens / overcoming an archon of that realm = The Egyptian Book of the Dead – Not The Nag Hammadi
4- Origin wants to be accurate, ...?
Origin vrs Celcus – do you understand the reference
(wiki) Origen of Alexandria ( c. 184 – c. 253), also known as Origen Adamantius, was an early Christian scholar, ascetic, and theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria
Origen = an Egyptian Coptic Christian – defending Jesus Christ against
(wiki) Celsus (/ˈsɛlsəs/; Hellenistic Greek: Κέλσος, Kélsos; fl. 175–177 CE) was a 2nd-century Greek philosopher and opponent of early Christianity.
3:00 – origen excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church 4 times after his death
(wiki) Why is Origen not a Catholic saint?
It is not hard to see how Origen did not make it as a canonized saint or official theologian. His cosmology assumed the pre-existence of souls, an idea favored by Jewish
Canon 29 - Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
4:55 – commonalities –
1- get past the archon = overcoming this WORLD
2- the archon associated with the planets
YES – where did they go when they were ejected by the flood = off world but close to man
One text says – the 7 visible heavenly bodies
What 7? Doesn’t say – but isn’t the mythology of planets interesting - gods of the heavens – Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Saturn, the MOON – Venus
Closes enough to man to be WATCHERS
5:55 – the discussion turns to “Modern Archons”
7:15 – fear, pride – any of the sins all = archon (because it all = WORLD)
7:35 – the archon have different tools today
YES – ancient man needed ‘other gods’ with war and sacrifice that kept them busy
Today – we are to educated to fall for “gods’ – we have education and technology
But all of it is just a Modern Application of WORLD
Distraction / addictions/ drugs / internet / smart phones / text messaging
The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.
8:30 – Mercury = planet mythology – a trickster – Mercury in Retrograde
12:10 – HOW DO WE INTERACT with modern archon
The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
Modern culture / movies / governments
12:50- we have 3 choices / 3 way to deal with the archon
1 – join it – lost to the world
2 – avoid it – not possible with in their kingdom
3- make it work for you
HOW COULD IT WORK FOR US?
1- The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
Rom 1;19 + Psa 19:2 + real unbiased science + mathamatics + world history + currenet events
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,(archon)
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
1- The First thing he says = RECOGNISE WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT!
12:50 – Spiritual Archon?
His answer is perfect – 3 levels
This speaks to me because I am 3D – and my God = God on every D = Trinity
14:20 His answer– 3 levels
1- material – pain, addictions,
2- psychic – mind things in your head
3- pneumatic (weird word choice – pneuma = Greek for spirit)
I would say - Material / psychic / and spiritual
He says all 3 must work together to overcome WORLD
POINT – I am a Gnostic Christian – HE FAILS to mention Jesus Christ and Salvation and the power of the spirit in our lives – spiritual healings – spiritual discernment
And even tho I do not speak in tongues – I will not MOCK them – who am I to judge
15:50 – we need to remember this is a long game
Enoch LXV:4 "And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation."
15:50 – we need to remember this is a long game
Authoritative Teaching
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
And why is the game / contest / LIFE / hard and seeming unrewarding at times
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
And why is the game / contest / LIFE / hard and seeming unrewarding at times
The Exegesis on the Soul
For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance."
And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), "Say to the children of my people, 'If your sins extend from earth to heaven, and if they become red like scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, and if you return to me with all your soul and say to me 'my Father!', I will heed you as a holy people.'"
Again another place (Is 30:15), "Thus says the lord, the holy one of Israel: "If you return and sigh, then you will be saved and will know where you were when you trusted in what is empty."
Again he said in another place (Is 30:19-20), "Jerusalem wept much, saying, 'Have pity on me.' He will have pity on the sound of your weeping. And when he saw, he heeded you. And the lord will give you bread of affliction and water of oppression. From now on, those who deceive will not approach you again. Your eyes will see those who are deceiving you."
Therefore it is fitting to pray to God night and day, spreading out our hands towards him as do people sailing in the middle of the sea: they pray to God with all their heart without hypocrisy. For those who pray hypocritically deceive only themselves. Indeed, it is in order that he might know who is worthy of salvation that God examines the inward parts and searches the bottom of the heart. For no one is worthy of salvation who still loves the place of deception.