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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 15:52:34 GMT -5
D" I want to know Jesus as they did – experience Jesus as they did – and yes – I believe in the spiritR" Than why do you forget amanuah in Jesus? D" The Nag Hammadi authors James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas were all disciples of Jesus ChristJames, a disciple you claim to follow, demonstrates this problem of faith Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
What problem? Some people who claim to support Jesus only claim certain prayer promises of his power and neglect other prayer promises, so lack a full understanding of love and all the 7000 applications of Jesus words about love, such people could claim in Jesus Name, hence they lack works even though they have faith. So instead of being moved with a love promise, they say "Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled" and leave, without claiming a prayer promise that empowers the person to love and provide for that person in need. This is why understanding Scripture words of Jesus is important, so our love can be developed more fully. What prayer promises could such a person, have claimed ? Ps 41:1 Blessed is he that considereth the poor: Pr 3:28 Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee. Pr 14:21 ¶ He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth: but he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he. Pr 22:9 ¶ He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor
Just to name a few of the prayer promises one could claim in one's mind, as you see a person in need. (2) John, another disciple you claim to follow, writes of faith : Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.The Greek word "believe" is "pisteuo" a related word to "pistis" or "faith", in Hebrew these words are also related The Greek word believe (Greek: pisteuo) is a verb, Strongs 4100, and is a translation of the Hebrew word "aman" Strongs 539. The other Greek word for "faith" is the noun, "pistis" Strong's 4102, is translated from the Hebrew word referenced by Strong as 530. See my studies spiritualsprings.org/ss-1506.htmNotice John writes his writings so we may have faith in Jesus to ward off the "prince of this world" who came to Jesus often and found nothing sinful about Jesus. Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.A prayer promise of amanuah from James, regarding overpowering Satan termed the devil, the shedim. (3) Paul, another disciple you claim to follow, speaks of a different problem regarding salvation Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.Some pious people fake their powers of being straight (following the moral law) but they do this by using human powers only, not by claiming a prayer promise and allowing Jesus to empower them with His powers by faith. On the outside both types of people seem the same, ie wheat and tares, but on the inside it is clear to God which is which. The people on the outside notice the two types different by their fruits of the HS, a sign of GOD developing fruits of His powers in them. However most people who are religious, achieve piety and straightness by this method, and it means nothing to God, and in fact is called in Scripture "BAAL", where a person worships SELF, rather than allowing GOD as their master to flow into them every day. Now I struggle Dave to follow the examples such disciple left behind in the NT torah, I do not require any more words, I have enough struggles with the words I have already. Fight the good fight of amanuah in Jesus. D" You are the one that just spent two years attacking the word GnosticR" 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of GNOSIS falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.You praise higher knowledge, I praise more amanuah in Jesus. Our views are different. Both mentioned here. D" If Ellen White is a prophet – then she should have changed the whole world R" Many are called but few hear...narrow is the way and few find it. D" What kills it for me is her 100% adoption of the Jesuit Satanic Cults doctrine of Fallen AngelsR" Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might AMANUAH. 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the PRINCE of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.This verse describes a POWERFUL OPPOSING BEING, Dave refuses to acknowledge. Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.WHO is this BEING, I assume, JESUS wanted to OPPOSE so badly, because this BEING also OPPOSES JESUS? Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.Who is this PRINCE OF THE AIR, I love the way Paul writes this, a MEDIUM that causes and works in the humans causing them to SIN. Nu 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.Here in the MOSES TORAH, the serpent is identified, as a power OPPOSING GOD, because is caused ISRAEL to SIN, and the SARAPH BEING, looks like a serpent, is biting humans and killing them, not tempting them to sin only, but their sinning kills them as well. Such is this OPPOSER. Where do we find BURNING ONE (saraph) in the Bible account? Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.These burning ones have six wings and are angelic beings closest to God. SO one of these Burning Ones, must have SINNED, and this caused SIN to exist for the first time. Such a being now has earth as a kingdom, hence the false claim, prince of the world. A claim Jesus came to remove from Him. Notice, I use other torah to research my studies on the origin of this Burning One. D" has built a new religions all around a powerful satan and a weak godR" How can a sinning creature be more powerful than the parent who created it? Can a wicked child tell a parent what to do? If the child pushes things too far, what does the parent do? Throw the wicked child out into the darkness. Who is the more powerful, the child or the parent? Come on Dave. God need only click His finger and the wicked creature is gone. But love does not force it's way... since sin appears once, this choice must follow it's course for others of free will to see. D" Your Walter Veith and your Jeff Brenner speak at length about this corruption of the KJVR" SHow me a corruption of the received torah, not translation issues, but corruption of the Hebrew, we have from Jews, that I have in my hands, the KJV version is a mere English version of the Hebrew and Greek. D" The angels are not he HS – the evil spirit are not the HS – you are not the Holy Spirit Each is a unique independent individualR" OK so you also include GOD creating a spirit for each human who every lived during day 6, which was stored somewhere waiting for the human embryo to become a body for this spirit? And this "thing" that is "ethereal" is the same word as "ruwach", a word used for HS, MAN, ANGELS and EVIL things. OK so this is your view? D"" Not true Robert – you slander the word of God – all that is required for salvation is belief - Joh 3:3 Yeshua answered him, “Amen, amen I tell you, unless one is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”R" OK you say we do not have to be born again, since we must be born from above? But if you have a spirit from above, from day 6, how and why does Jesus say you must be born again from above? Maybe our spirits are not above from day 6, but from earth after Adam sinned, hence what Jesus is saying, be born of the spirit from above, not earth, makes sense? D" The Spirit of God touches your spirit Many time, 20 times, 5 times, or only once for brief moment – it is so powerful you will never forget (gnosis)R" This process is the same as my view? It is recorded here Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Now you speak of the same view, I have, the medium of God witnesses to our namashah (spirit) we are children of God, same view as you RP" Now you say the body we have is not born again brand new, So again Dave, do we get a spiritual body that is ethereal – like the angels, after we are born again?D" We have always been a spirit body - DUHR" so we do not get a brand new body, but the old body is restored, renewed, same view as mind Dave D" You know my answer – you do not like my answer Elisha – could see – spiritually discern Elisha’s servant – could not
Why – what was/is the answer Elisha – was/is a spirit filled Born Again Christian – he was spiritually awake / aware Elisha’s servant was not Does this means that Elisha’s serve is not a believer – I doubt itR" COuld it be, the penal gland was switched on for ELisha but off for ELisha;s servant? Many of our biological functions are switched off, after Adam sinned. Called the third eye for nothing you know. D" If you come from a SDA background – they have taught you it is a sin to believe in the spiritR" not at all, we support the development of love inside of us, which we term our spirit, that flows from God RP" Man is biological yes, and the spirit that lives within is a medium, that allows GOD to empower us, and live within us, a function of the HS.D" Then every man is god Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Correct, we were created a little lower than elohiym, we are children of elohiym. I would say like GOD.
By the way cherubims (sarpahim burning ones) were created this way too. Shalom and enjoy your day
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Post by Dave on Dec 26, 2021 23:44:12 GMT -5
Some people who claim to support Jesus only claim certain prayer promises of his power and neglect other prayer promises, Correct – some people claim to be Christian but refuse to discuss the words of Jesus Christ Some people claim to be a Christian and preach satan is a god Some people claim to be a Christian – but say they are some people we are not to witness to So instead of being moved with a love promise, they say Takes side – us or them – believe Creationist folly or science – you cannot do bothD"You are the one that just spent two years attacking the word GnosticR" 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of GNOSIS falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Again – I say – you have spent two years arguing vocabulary – not scriptureNotice, I use other torah to research my studies on the origin of this Burning One.According to you angels are just the HS – because they are spirit According to you evil spirit are the HS because they are spirit According to you man is just the HS because man has a spirit According to you your cherubs are the HS – therefore your satan is also the HS R" How can a sinning creature be more powerful than the parent who created it?You claim your satan changed all God’s Plan against God’s Will You also claim that your god have to make adjustments in reacting to your satan god D"Your Walter Veith and your Jeff Brenner speak at length about this corruption of the KJV R" SHow me a corruption of the received torah, not translation issues, but corruption of the Hebrew, we have from Jews, that I have in my hands, the KJV version is a mere English version of the Hebrew and Greek.Several of Jeff Brenner’s examples are from the KJV ahl/OTD"The angels are not he HS – the evil spirit are not the HS – you are not the Holy Spirit Each is a unique independent individual R" OK so you also include GOD creating a spirit for each human who every lived during day 6, which was stored somewhere waiting for the human embryo to become a body for this spirit? Correct – all men were created during creation Stored? – the Jews say we come from the well of soulsFor me personally – my personal view = we are just in heaven in the presence of God And this "thing" that is "ethereal" is the same word as "ruwach", a word used for HS, MAN, ANGELS and EVIL things. OK so this is your view?Ethereal and spirit are not interchangeable – your attempted word game is rejectedSpirit is a thing – ethereal is the substance that thig is made ofD"" Not true Robert – you slander the word of God – all that is required for salvation is belief - Joh 3:3 Yeshua answered him, “Amen, amen I tell you, unless one is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” R" OK you say we do not have to be born again, since we must be born from above? But if you have a spirit from above, from day 6, how and why does Jesus say you must be born again from above?69 Bible verses about Baptism Of The Holy Spiritbible.knowing-jesus.com › topics › Baptism-Of-... 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of ... Act 1:4 Now while staying with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father promised—which, He said, “you heard from Me. Act 1:5 For John immersed with water, but you will be immersed in the Ruach ha-Kodesh not many days from now.” This is the question put to you Obviously – your church has never taught you about these passages All the disciple believed before Pentecost – they all had faith – so what is the Baptism of the Holy SpiritFor Messianic Jews, and all mainstream Christians – it is as simple as:Rom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. You absolutely reject my teaching - claim it is impossible because man has no spiritD"The Spirit of God touches your spirit Many time, 20 times, 5 times, or only once for brief moment – it is so powerful you will never forget (gnosis) R" This process is the same as my view? It is recorded hereRo 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Now you speak of the same view, I have, the medium of God witnesses to our namashah (spirit) we are children of God, same view as you Elisha – could see – spiritually discern Elisha’s servant – could not R" COuld it be, the penal gland was switched on for ELisha but off for ELisha;s servant? Many of our biological functions are switched off, after Adam sinned. Called the third eye for nothing you know. Now you preach Hinduism- what is wrong with Christianity(google) The third eye is a mystical and esoteric concept of a speculative invisible eye, usually depicted as located on the forehead, which provides perception beyond ordinary sight. In Indian spiritual traditions, the third eye refers to the ajna chakra. D"If you come from a SDA background – they have taught you it is a sin to believe in the spirit R" not at all, we support the development of love inside of us, which we term our spirit, that flows from GodEver since the ROGER MORNEAU video You have affirmed that it is a sin to believe that you have a spirit Many times you say things like – you cannot own the HS inside you Why do you change you view nowRP"Man is biological yes, and the spirit that lives within is a medium, that allows GOD to empower us, and live within us, a function of the HS.just above you claimed to agree - two sentences later you disagree - so consistantD" Then every man is godPs 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Correct, we were created a little lower than elohiym, we are children of elohiym. I would say like GOD.Now which one of us teach that we are ‘DIVINE”Before we go any further plase answer the question - what does being Baptised by the Holy Spirit means to the SDA - or explain to me why you doubt the disciples had faith - Or expalin to me why faith was not enough for them to do their assignments
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 13:31:27 GMT -5
D"Again – I say – you have spent two years arguing vocabulary – not scripture R" I have learnt from you that you seek the word meanings of a word the Bible uses outside of Scripture Did not God write these messages, even though man we chosen as His penmen? What words God used is His business and what meanings He placed on those words is also His business, hence the meanings of the words must only come from the verses themselves.
For example "war in heaven" Bible meaning, verses your "bustle in heaven". Another example is how you make ruwach/HS also mean "your own spirit". D"According to you angels are just the HS – because they are spirit
R" Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. The word here is "medium" Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? (KJV)
The word here is "medium" What does a medium do, it allows cherubims to carry a flow of messages from God to Man.
A medium is the process of two media, whose purpose is to make a flow of power happen.
The cherub (a creature) functions as media, takes God's messages of salvation to humans (media) functioning as a receiver of this message, the overall process is termed a medium (spirit of God)
D"According to you evil spirit are the HS because they are spirit R" no, the cherubims who wish to sin, are media, allow their flow of dysfunction to move through into humans (media) that receive this flow, the overall process is administrated of GOD , (HS as a medium).
D"According to you man is just the HS because man has a spirit no, the humans who wish to sin, are media, allow their flow of dysfunction to move through into other humans (media) that receive this flow, the overall process is administrated of GOD , (HS as a medium).
or the humans who seek Jesus powers, are media, allow His flow of function to move through the human via faith (as media) , the overall process is administrated of GOD , (HS as a medium).
Another example
wind is a flow from two media, hot air and cold air, the flow of energy through the air is termed wind, but the overall process is called a medium.
RP" R" OK so you also include GOD creating a spirit for each human who every lived during day 6, which was stored somewhere waiting for the human embryo to become a body for this spirit? D" Correct – all men were created during creation Stored? – the Jews say we come from the well of souls R" OH so the spirit part comes from the well of souls, I assume inside GOD Himself? and the body comes from the DNA development of bodies when two gametes come together. SO when the moment of the two bodies is complete, than in an instant the spirit that body belongs to, flies immediately to the new zygote to inhabit the embryo with a human spirit? Somehow the Bible leaves out all this detail, but Dave says the spirit idea is correct?
D"Spirit is a thing R" so this thing, has to be the same thing GOD is correct?
Therefore all angels and all humans are made of things GOD is made of? So not all things are made of matter, some things are also made from the thing God is made of? Where is your Scripture, and is this possible? I say humans are like God, but you are saying humans are GOD. We are little gods, assuming this spirit thing from God is smaller than God Himself?
D"All the disciple believed before Pentecost – they all had faith – so what is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit R" The baptism process, is the receiving of Jesus into us .
I will write brevity today, and ask you why do you call this the Baptism of the Holy Spirit ? Scripture please.
D"Rom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. You absolutely reject my teaching - claim it is impossible because man has no spirit R" I have never said man has no "spirit" only that "man has no spirit you preach, from day 6, a little spark of GOD that we can call our own", the only spirit in man "is namashah" which means to "breathe", and refers to the way our soul develops a unique personality of love, a quality of GOD, often called our character.
D"Now you preach Hinduism- what is wrong with Christianity (google) The third eye is a mystical and esoteric concept of a speculative invisible eye, usually depicted as located on the forehead, which provides perception beyond ordinary sight. In Indian spiritual traditions, the third eye refers to the ajna chakra. R" The pineal gland is located between the eyes, it's a fact. It is sensitive to frequencies, got noting to do with Hinduism, its a biological organ placed there by GOD is the creation of Adam. Is can be used by Satan to commune with humans, hence why God switched it off after man sinned, as it is also used by GOD if you are sinless. But my point is you think all biology is limited to what you can only have now...but this is not so.
D"Many times you say things like – you cannot own the HS inside you Why do you change you view now R" I have not changed, but man is allowed to develop our own unique personal way of loving (collective love) This verse is
Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Man develops this course and the Lord daily directs the course you choose. This is how amanauah works, you choose daily what you seek of GOD and GOD empowers your seeking of HIS LOVE.
Thus our love cup is full of collective love that is unique from all other humans and from GOD too, even though all love flows from GOD.
D"D" Then every man is god Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Correct, we were created a little lower than elohiym, we are children of elohiym. I would say like GOD. Now which one of us teach that we are ‘DIVINE” R" I would not say it that way, we humans are like GOD, but not OF God. We cannot have a "spirit" that is given as our own, because all things come from God and is of GOD. However we can collect His love and thus develop our own spirit as we grow and move and do under His care, and in this way our child like love, or collective love, becomes unique.
D"what does being Baptised by the Holy Spirit means to the SDA - R" Show me that baptism involves only the HS? Scriptures please
D"explain to me why you doubt the disciples had faith R" All humans have faith sometimes, it is so simple, all can claim faith in GOD, often we are snatched as firebrands from the fire, some are chosen to add more to their faith to bring greater glory to God growing in them. D" expalin to me why faith was not enough for them to do their assignments R" A mustard seed of faith can move mountains. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2021 16:41:16 GMT -5
D"Again – I say – you have spent two years arguing vocabulary – not scripture R" I have learnt from you that you seek the word meanings of a word the Bible uses outside of Scripture Did not God write these messages, even though man we chosen as His penmen? What words God used is His business and what meanings He placed on those words is also His business, hence the meanings of the words must only come from the verses themselves. For example "war in heaven" Bible meaning, verses your "bustle in heaven". Another example is how you make ruwach/HS also mean "your own spirit". TRUTH – you are a simple guy – and absolutely do not understand large conceptsIn every translated language – ESPECIALLY of dead languages – the more uses you can uncover for a word the more you understand the word If a single word exist in a vacuum means what?(google) What does Hapax Legomenon mean? : a word or form occurring only once in a document or corpus. www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7236-hapax-legomena—Biblical Data: Words or forms of words that occur once only. There are about 1,500 of these in the Old Testament; but only 400 are, strictly, "hapax legomena"; i.e., are either absolutely new coinages of roots R" I have learnt from you that you seek the word meanings of a word the Bible uses outside of ScriptureHow would you translate these 1500 wordsTRUTH – you are a simple guy – and absolutely do not understand large conceptsD"According to you angels are just the HS – because they are spirit R" Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. The word here is "medium" Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? The word here is "medium" What does a medium do, it allows cherubims to carry a flow of messages from God to Man. Heb 1:7 καὶ πρὸς μὲν τοὺς ἀγγέλους λέγει· ὁ ποιῶν τοὺς ἀγγέλους αὐτοῦ πνεύματα, καὶ τοὺς λειτουργοὺς αὐτοῦ πυρὸς φλόγα· Maketh the spirits of the angels – SPIRIT OF THE ANGELSHeb 1:14 οὐχὶ πάντες εἰσὶ λειτουργικὰ πνεύματα εἰς διακονίαν ἀποστελλόμενα διὰ τοὺς μέλλοντας κληρονομεῖν σωτηρίαν; SPIRITS is the subject here NOT ministeringHeb 1:14 are they not all spirits of service—for ministration being sent forth because of those about to inherit salvation? D"According to you evil spirit are the HS because they are spirit R" no, the cherubims who wish to sin, Who is this Robert – you say nothing has its own spirit – spirit only means HS So according to you – evil spirits are the HS – there is no such thing as independent spirit of their ownD"According to you man is just the HS because man has a spirit no, the humans who wish to sin, are media, Blah blah blah – answer the question of what it means to Baptized by the Holy SpiritRP" R" OK so you also include GOD creating a spirit for each human who every lived during day 6, which was stored somewhere waiting for the human embryo to become a body for this spirit? D" Correct – all men were created during creation Stored? – the Jews say we come from the well of souls R" OH so the spirit part comes from the well of souls, I assume inside GOD HimselfYou know when you are being as ass – does it make you proudD"Spirit is a thing R" so this thing, has to be the same thing GOD is correct?No one knows what God is made of – DUH – what part of incomprehensible do you not understand?Therefore all angels and all humans are made of things GOD is made of? All I have ever said is that spirit is etherealYour made up exaggeration are meaningless
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 14:53:22 GMT -5
D" In every translated language – ESPECIALLY of dead languages – the more uses you can uncover for a word the more you understand the word R" that my friend is BS, and NOT how you understand the meaning of GOD's messages. I am not talking about meanings of vernacular words in a given language, but the meaning of the author's messages in his words. Here is an example of the messages of myself as an author aged 17.
Day Four Malignant viridescent Mirrored moon, Indignant iniquities, Flesh the spoon. Slothfully slowly sounds Ebb into crescendo, A snaking ant trail Marches mechanically ahead, Where mysterious red meat Tempts red rivers to flow, The trial grinds deeper As lifes luxouriously fed. Blind snaking ant trail Trusting your smell, Perfumed propensities meat Leading all to hell. Are we led to labour? Or is self the real sin? Is our propensity for the Moon tidal more? The world whirls in darkness, But the ethers within, As the rotting flesh lives, Feeding the grey green war. And I cry O GOD Continueously, That I may live So unselfishly.
Trying to understand word meanings from a vernacular view may not be the same as the message view, when in the context. What is this poem about? This thing is described as "ether", "a feeding grey green war", a "darkness", as "rotting flesh".
Strange choice of words "Perfumed propensities meat" a play on the word "meat and meet"
Try this context, also a poem
Ps 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 ¶ The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. It's a prayer poem written by David, but who is the tree?
We are similes of trees, growing like seedlings for God, but Jesus is also described as a SEED, and a TREE, in fact the Lord of trees. Since the Bible is mostly poetry, the messages of the words cannot come from a dictionary or outside sources, they must come from within Scripture itself.
The only way you could understand the 17 yr old author and his poems, is to read more of his poems, not consult a dictionary, or some other outside source wisdom.
The same applies to understanding GOD and his mysterious poetry messages written in Scripture. D"If a single word exist in a vacuum means what? (google) What does Hapax Legomenon mean? : a word or form occurring only once in a document or corpus R" Yes as a 17 yr old I did that too, "tiny rapets falling on the leaves" the meaning of rapets is unknown, not a English word, but made from the combining of rain droplets into a single word meaning. Mostly poetry is about combining pictures from words, but sometimes the idea is also to create new words. Elohiym, what does this mean ? Jeff didn't know, and left it un translated. I translated elohiym as "the family power of.." government, the family power of government judges, the family power of judges God, the family power of GOD pagan gods, the family power of pagan gods. All contexts of elohiym refer to the idea "the family power of..."
D"Words or forms of words that occur once only. There are about 1,500 of these in the Old Testament R" Hmm? yes, word meanings occurring once, cannot be ascertained...
D"How would you translate these 1500 words R" Hmm? look at the letters within the word
Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
H2253 "outside home active secure over the nations" from "hide" outside home behold the person
So something outside the home flowed actively from the hands of the Creator securely over the nations of the Creation/
possible meanings? "quantum"?
D"TRUTH – you are a simple guy – and absolutely do not understand large concepts R" That may be true. D"SPIRITS is the subject here NOT ministering R" OK,
Heb 1:14 Are they not all spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Is that better?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all MEDIUMS, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
And what is a medium? cheubims (media) take messages to humans(media), via the HS (a medium affect).
If you want to use the term "spirit" as a entity, it must be created
Ps 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
THis might help your view?
Who is "they" here?
D"So according to you – evil spirits are the HS – there is no such thing as independent spirit of their own
R angels choose to sin, the sinning exists within a medium. How is this the fault of the HS as the medium?
Dave chooses to sin, the sinning exists within a medium, so Dave can see his sin? How is this the fault or cause of the HS directly?
D"answer the question of what it means to Baptized by the Holy Spirit R" no idea. You answer it for me.
D"No one knows what God is made of – DUH – what part of incomprehensible do you not understand? R" well if nobody knows what God is made of or exists, how can you talk of something termed spirit, a term you do not know?
D"All I have ever said is that spirit is ethereal But this term is undefined by you. SO the term is meaningless to me.
I am not being an ass. I am just saying your nebulous term has no meaning. So try to define what a spirit is?
If you can't define the term, than leave the subject alone.
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Sounds like spirit is too high for you, so leave the topic alone, stop pretending you know. I stick to the things I know and leave the things I don't know. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2021 16:20:23 GMT -5
D" In every translated language – ESPECIALLY of dead languages – the more uses you can uncover for a word the more you understand the word R" that my friend is BS
D"If a single word exist in a vacuum means what? (google) What does Hapax Legomenon mean? Jeff didn't know, and left it un translated. Most likely because he is an honest translator
I translated elohiym as "the family power of.." You can invent any definition you want – does not mean you personally agree with mainstream Judaism, Messianic Judaism, Gnostic Christianity, or Mainstream Christianity
D"Words or forms of words that occur once only. There are about 1,500 of these in the Old Testament R" Hmm? yes, word meanings occurring once, cannot be ascertained... Except in the art of translation – words are never stand-alone – ther are a part of the vocabulary of it host language
D"TRUTH – you are a simple guy – and absolutely do not understand large concepts R" That may be true. Andy you seem to be arrogantly proud of your ignorance and unwilling to learn
You demand that speaking in tongues is all fakery because man cannot translate it There are 50 ancient scripts that remain untranslated – is this proof it was all fake
(google) When were the Egyptian hieroglyphs translated? CAIRO – 27 September 2020: On September 27, 1822, Was it fake first – then became real only after it was translated?
(google) When were Mayan hieroglyphs deciphered? In 1962, Was it fake first – then became real only after it was translated?
If you want to use the term "spirit" as an entity, it must be created Ps 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
THis might help your view? Who is "they" here? Psa 104:25 There is the sea, vast and wide, teeming with gliding things innumerable, living creatures, both small and large. Who made them Psa 104:30 You send forth Your Ruach—they are created,
Many types of sea creatures and they were created by God by the hand of the Holy Spirit Does taking verses out of context help your credibility?
D"So according to you – evil spirits are the HS – there is no such thing as independent spirit of their own Dave chooses to sin, the sinning exists within a medium, so Dave can see his sin? How is this the fault or cause of the HS directly? But you say – there is no Spirit named Dave – I am just empowered by the HS – the HS is the only spirit within me you teach
You mandate there is no such thing as a spirit being The only thing of spirit is your HS
So all angelic spirit are HS And all evil spirits are the HS
D"answer the question of what it means to Baptized by the Holy Spirit R" no idea. You answer it for me. THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit This is the object of your FAITH – your Christian empowering phase 2 and you spend all your posts mocking it - denying it - and mocking those who say that have been touched
D"No one knows what God is made of – DUH – what part of incomprehensible do you not understand? R" well if nobody knows what God is made of or exists, how can you talk of something termed spirit, a term you do not know? D"All I have ever said is that spirit is ethereal But this term is undefined by you. I tire of your pretend ignorance – use a dictionary
SO the term is meaningless to me. I tire of your pretend ignorance – use a dictionary
I am not being an ass. I am just saying your nebulous term has no meaning. I tire of your pretend ignorance – use a dictionary
If you can't define the term, than leave the subject alone. I tire of your pretend ignorance – use a dictionary
e·the·re·al 1. extremely delicate and light in a way that seems too perfect for this world.
Definition of ethereal 1: of or relating to the regions beyond the earth. b : celestial, heavenly. c : unworldly, spiritual. 2a : lacking material substance : immaterial, intangible.
Full Definition of ethereal 1a: of or relating to the regions beyond the earth b: CELESTIAL, HEAVENLY c: UNWORLDLY, SPIRITUAL 2a: lacking material substance : IMMATERIAL, INTANGIBLE b: marked by unusual delicacy or refinement c: suggesting the heavens or heaven
Essential Meaning of ethereal 1: in heaven 2: resembling heaven : seeming to belong to another world
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 13:46:17 GMT -5
D"You can invent any definition you want R" no you can't, it (elohiym) has to fit every context...and my definition does
D"words are never stand-alone – ther are a part of the vocabulary of it host language R"Pardon , all words have a single basic meaning, regardless of the sentence it is in.
Unless it is a polysemous word, but even than it has a single basic meaning.
D"You demand that speaking in tongues is all fakery because man cannot translate it There are 50 ancient scripts that remain untranslated – is this proof it was all fake
(google) When were the Egyptian hieroglyphs translated? CAIRO – 27 September 2020: On September 27, 1822, Was it fake first – then became real only after it was translated?
(google) When were Mayan hieroglyphs deciphered? In 1962, Was it fake first – then became real only after it was translated?
R" Words in a language should conform to known science rules of language. For example the most common letter in English is "e". So in a language, a common sound should exist.
What benefit is there for a unknown tongue that is not spoken on earth by a known language? none
God's messages edify, they never confuse.
D:"Many types of sea creatures and they were created by God by the hand of the Holy Spirit Does taking verses out of context help your credibility? R" I am trying to help you with your view, you seem not able to defend it.
OK so there is no example in Scripture of "spirits" being created, so the term "a spirit being" does not exist.
I would expect that, because a medium cannot exist, a medium is a function.
Media are entities and media do exist as matter, so a being can be media, but never a medium. Therefore all matter is used to make creatures out of matter.
You making some creatures out of a spirit ethereal thing that you do not know, is a myth. It is an invention of your mind.
D"But you say – there is no Spirit named Dave – I am just empowered by the HS – the HS is the only spirit within me you teach R" If GOD lives within man, why can't GOD allow man to develop his own character? Why must you make yourself a mocker? Answer my question here?
D"So all angelic spirit are HS And all evil spirits are the HS R" If you mock and do not understand what a medium is Dave, than stop talking about it.
D"THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit R" That is not your question to me Dave. your question was "answer the question of what it means to Baptized by the Holy Spirit" THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Holy Spirit only – to be led by the Holy Spirit only. Hence I stopped and am asking you.
Now you change the subject, to "the Spirit" the spirit of whom? elohiym.
D"resembling heaven : seeming to belong to another world R" SO if other creatures belong to another world, why do you invent words that the Bible has written for us to understand things in our world? You should leave the subject alone.
Maybe I should follow your example and say God is made of light, and light is energy. SO God is energy, and the angels are made of energy. Some might say what is energy? I say, I don't know. Have I edified anybody? No
SO stop trying to invent concepts that do not edify anybody.
Saying God is made of ether doesn't help anybody either. Leave the subject alone.
I read what the Bible teaches, you insist on inventing Gnostic new ideas.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 30, 2021 14:25:32 GMT -5
D"You can invent any definition you want R" no you can't, it (elohiym) has to fit every context...and my definition does Misrepresent the statement so you can argue against it A Hapax Legomenon has no other context
D"words are never stand-alone – ther are a part of the vocabulary of it host language R"Pardon , all words have a single basic meaning, regardless of the sentence it is in. Correct – and it exist with the vocabulary of it language – and it is use more than once in that language A Hapax Legomenon has no other context
D"You demand that speaking in tongues is all fakery because man cannot translate it There are 50 ancient scripts that remain untranslated – is this proof it was all fake R" Words in a language should conform to known science rules of language. For example the most common letter in English is "e". So in a language, a common sound should exist. ERROR – hieroglyphs do not follow your rule – The native American Navaho Indians do not follow your rule – and that is why America used them as CODE TALKERS in WWII – they just spoke Navaho to one another and the Germans or Japanese could never break that code
What benefit is there for a unknown tongue that is not spoken on earth by a known language? None You deny the spiritual reality and those of the spiritual realm that might hear
D:"Many types of sea creatures and they were created by God by the hand of the Holy Spirit Does taking verses out of context help your credibility? R" I am trying to help you with your view, you seem not able to defend it. Again – I ask – how is taking verses out of context helpful or on point?
D"But you say – there is no Spirit named Dave – I am just empowered by the HS – the HS is the only spirit within me you teach R" If GOD lives within man, why can't GOD allow man to develop his own character? Answer my question here? Because thoughts and mind are of the biological brain – it all goes to dust – your thoughts perish that day
D"So all angelic spirit are HS And all evil spirits are the HS R" If you mock and do not understand what a medium is Dave, than stop talking about it. If they are not ethereal – and they are not spirit – what are they?
D"THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit R" That is not your question to me Dave. your question was "answer the question of what it means to Baptized by the Holy Spirit" Correct - THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit Why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – pretend it doesn’t exist
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D" Misrepresent the statement so you can argue against it A Hapax Legomenon has no other contextR" Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; In the most important verse, regarding how to read Scripture, is a word H 06673 that is only used here, and thus we cannot understand it? Is that why you ignore Scripture so easily? So we look for a related Hebrew word ? See Hebrew 06680 (tsavah) Ge 2:16 ¶ And the LORD <Y@hovah> God <'elohiym> commanded <tsavah> the man <'adam> And here we see the word used as in a command. So the meaning of precept must mean something as words or verses with a command. But Dave posts doubt and mocks Scripture, so you do not have to obey and follow torah, you follow other words instead? D" ERROR – hieroglyphs do not follow your rule – The native American Navaho Indians do not follow your rule – and that is why America used them as CODE TALKERS in WWII – they just spoke Navaho to one another and the Germans or Japanese could never break that codeR" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_languageYes, but their language still follows rules, and those rules are predictable even though hard to fathom. Navajo has a fairly large consonant inventory. Its stop consonants exist in three laryngeal forms: aspirated, unaspirated, and ejective—for example, /tʃʰ/, /tʃ/, and /tʃʼ/.[44] Ejective consonants are those that are pronounced with a glottalic initiation. Navajo also has a simple glottal stop used after vowels,[45] and every word that would otherwise begin with a vowel is pronounced with an initial glottal stop.[46] Consonant clusters are uncommon, aside from frequent placing /d/ or /t/ before fricatives.[47] The language has four vowel qualities: /a/, /e/, /i/, and /o/.[47] Each exists in both oral and nasalized forms, and can be either short or long.[48] Navajo also distinguishes for tone between high and low, with the low tone typically regarded as the default. However, some linguists have suggested that Navajo does not possess true tones, but only a pitch accent system similar to that of Japanese.[49] In general, Navajo speech also has a slower speech tempo than English does.[45]The language is following certain rules to me? What is your problem? Glossolalia does not follow rules of language, it is babbling. D" You deny the spiritual reality and those of the spiritual realm that might hearR" Is that your only answer? mock? What benefit is it hearing an unknown language? 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries 1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.Does anybody interpret this babbling in such churches? NO Hence a church of confusion. Now Dave Scripture cannot contradict itself, where are your verses? D" Again – I ask – how is taking verses out of context helpful or on point?R" OH sorry. Than you have no Bible verses to supplement your inventions? D" If they are not ethereal – and they are not spirit – what are they?R" Biological Dave, like us humans? DO not angels eat food, walk and talk and do things similar to humans? Yes they have other functions we humans in a sinful state, do not have. D" Correct - THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit Why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – pretend it doesn’t existR" OK, what SPIRIT Dave? Ge 6:3 ¶ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit. Notice the same words "my spirit" is over the same Hebrew word "ruwach". This can only mean that GOD gives us the ability to have and use qualities of God, administrated by the HS, that become "my spirit". Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Here the terms of "a right spirit as my spirit" is defined as created and coming from the HS. This happens when we are saved of GOD, via the MEDIUM. Joe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Not pour out "our spirits already in us" but "my spirit"...whose spirit is that ? God's or specifically Jesus spirit. Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Nice verse, that summarizes the process. Rob wrote 11 sentences on who the "spirit" is, now Dave, you write your views on the matter? D" Why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – pretend it doesn’t existR" Because the Baptism of the Holy Spirit ONLY, does not exist in the torah. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 1, 2022 0:42:11 GMT -5
D"Misrepresent the statement so you can argue against it A Hapax Legomenon has no other context
R" Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; In the most important verse, regarding how to read Scripture, is a word H 06673 that is only used here, and thus we cannot understand it?
H6673- צָו - tsav - From H6680; an injunction: - commandment, precept. The Commandments – and the precepts
(google) Precept = a general rule intended to regulate behavior or thought. "the legal precept of being innocent until proven guilty" Similar: principle, rule, tenet, canon, code, doctrine, guideline
So we look for a related Hebrew word ? See Hebrew 06680 (tsavah) H6680 – צָוָה - tsâvâh - A primitive root; (intensively) to constitute, enjoin: - appoint, bid. (give a) charge, (give a, give in, send with) command (-er, ment),
And here we see the word used as in a command. So the meaning of precept must mean something as words or verses with a command. Correct – the dictionary says: an injunction: - commandment, precept. Related to / from - enjoin: - appoint, bid. (give a) charge, (give a, give in, send with) command (-er, ment),
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_language Yes, but their language still follows rules, and those rules are predictable even though hard to fathom. The language is following certain rules to me? What is your problem? Glossolalia does not follow rules of language, it is babbling. This was said of 50 ancient script – then someone figured out two of them So are the other 48 – fake – and the two real
How does this prove that all untranslated scripts are fake? Show me the grammar rules of those 50 untranslated scripts NO Robert – they are all real – we just haven’t figured them out yet
1Co 14:1 Pursue the love, and seek earnestly the spiritual things, and rather that ye may prophecy, 1Co 14:2 for he who is speaking in an unknown tongue—to men he doth not speak, but to God, for no one doth hearken, and in spirit he doth speak secrets; 1Co 14:3 and he who is prophesying to men doth speak edification, and exhortation, and comfort; 1Co 14:4 he who is speaking in an unknown tongue, himself doth edify, and he who is prophesying, an assembly doth edify;
Adam Clark - 1 Corinthians 14:9 Likewise ye - If ye do not speak in the Church so as to be understood, your labor is useless; ye shall speak into the air - your speech will be lost and dissipated in the air, without conveying any meaning to any person: there will be a noise or sound, but nothing else. Gifts of that kind, thus used, are good for nothing.
Adam Clark - 1 Corinthians 14:13 Pray that he may interpret - Let him who speaks or reads the prophetic declarations in the Old Testament, in that tongue in which they were originally spoken and written, pray to God that he may so understand them himself, and receive the gift of interpretation, that he may be able to explain them in all their depth and latitude to others.
1Co 12:7 And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit; 1Co 12:8 for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.
Why do you deny the gifts of the spirit
D"You deny the spiritual reality and those of the spiritual realm that might hear R" What benefit is it hearing an unknown language? None – the argument is that it may be an angelic tongue that the angels / archon understand You choose to forget / hide / ignore – this WORLD is the kingdom / domain of the Archon
D"If they are not ethereal – and they are not spirit – what are they? R" Biological Dave, like us humans? DO not angels eat food, walk and talk and do things similar to humans? All you see is world and biology
1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
D"Correct - THIS IS THE ENTIRE GOAL OF CHRISTIANITY – to be filled with the Spirit – to be led by the Spirit Why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – pretend it doesn’t exist R" OK, what SPIRIT Dave? Something non-corporeal spiritual beings are non-coporeal
Ge 6:3 ¶ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, And according to you all men will fall over dead when this happens
Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit.
Messianic text says H7304 רָוחַ ravach (raw-vach') v. 1. (properly) to breathe freely, i.e. revive. 2. (by implication) to have ample room.
KJV says H7307 – רוּחַ - rûach - From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
Notice the same words "my spirit" is over the same Hebrew word "ruwach". This can only mean that GOD gives us the ability to have and use qualities of God, administrated by the HS, that become "my spirit". Sorry Robert ruach means spirit only – it does not mean Holy Spirit You are just playing a word game My spirit belongs to me – not your spirit – not the spirit of an angel – not an evil spirit – just my spirit
Joe 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. Joe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Not pour out "our spirits already in us" but "my spirit"...whose spirit is that ? God's or specifically Jesus spirit. God’s Spirit will pour out upon your sons and daughters I am confused – why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is impossible
D"Why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – pretend it doesn’t exist R" Because the Baptism of the Holy Spirit ONLY, does not exist in the torah.
DUH – You say the SDA teaches you to be ignorant of scripture – it certainly shows The Comforter comes only after the Resurrection of Christ
Joh 16:5 “But now I am going to the One who sent Me, and not one of you is asking Me, ‘Where are you going?’ Joh 16:6 Because I have spoken these things to you, grief has filled your heart. Joh 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit – a personal face to face experience with the Spirit of God A tangible experience – do you really believe this never happened in the ahl/OT
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D" None – the argument is that it may be an angelic tongue that the angels / archon understand and to another interpretation of tongues: Why do you deny the gifts of the spirit?R" I do not deny anything....why has nobody yet received this gift, to translate the tongue of the angels? Obviously because by the fruits of these tongue speaking people, are wicked, the power inside of them must come from the Devil/Satan. By their fruits ye shall know them, Scripture says. D" All you see is world and biology 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.R" How funny you do not read your own Scripture? Why can't RA-flesh inherit the kingdom? Because it is sinful and fallen from sin, that's why. " and what decays cannot inherit " your answer you ignore. What about flesh without RA in it, that is sinless, surely that inherits the kingdom of God. Is such flesh already in heaven? Yes. Jesus flesh was scarred by whips, but is without sin, is allowed to continue in heaven. "" All you see is world and biology" what a nice comment. Pity you can't read Scripture. And what is an abomination is you to have God creating RA-flesh intentionally from Creation. No wonder you are confused living in confusion and you ponder confusion. D" Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit (H7304)
Messianic text says H7304 רָוחַ ravach (raw-vach') v.R" Wow the Dave brevity again, no discussion of the text. biblehub.com/text/job/10-12.htmI am sorry to inform you that the Hebrew Hub analysis has H 7307 NOT H7304, you are WRONG, and so is your messanic text, (whatever version of the Bible that is) But no discussion from Dave, so I assume you have nothing to say. D" Sorry Robert ruach means spirit only – it does not mean Holy Spirit You are just playing a word game My spirit belongs to me – not your spirit – not the spirit of an angel – not an evil spirit – just my spiritR" Wow, you have written 3 sentences, I posted 11 sentences. I have been through this before, ruwach means " medium" for every context. Of course a "medium" can be owned by the person the "medium" resides in. That is God's gift of living to you, the dusty earth, now made a living soul. And you seem to think, GOD cannot allow you to develop His love in a way that is unique to you, by you and for sharing God and yourself with others? So when a wife becomes one flesh with her husband, her thoughts are the husband thoughts, and she gives up all things of her mind to become her husband's mind? Is that how the control of one maters over another master works? Must be according to Dave. We are all HS according to Dave? What so GOD cannot allow His love to be developed uniquely inside each person as God wills? Of course God can. But somehow Dave doesn't like this idea. Dave wants a spirit of his own, an eternal spirit of his own, that surely never dies, the lie the Serpent told Eve. Dave likes this idea that after the first death, Dave lives on in another world in heaven somewhere. So God was wrong when he said, thou shalt that very day, surely die? Did not many things that very day, begin dying immediately? Paul says we die daily, so if our minds die daily to SELF, a disease of RA, arising from SIN growing in us, than this living death is real, not some natural RA GOD created in the beginning inside of us. Dave , your Gnostic views are so wrong. You have mankind living in SIN, before Adam even chose to SIN. Now I have written 14 sentences of my discussion, where is your discussion Dave? D" I am confused – why do you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is impossibleR" Yes you are confused. The word "medium" can be referred to "my medium". Ro 8:16 The medium itself beareth witness with our medium, that we are the children of God: I like the way the KJV addresses the word "the medium itself" with a capital letter, for we see from the sentence, the medium is addressing the BEING administrating the medium. Most all natural mediums do not have personal beings administrating the natural medium. Only the natural media exists. This is NOT so with the medium from GOD, it is personally administrated by the Shadday. This is a being of feminine personality of love. This medium, like the electron microscope, is personally administrated by a divine being. When GOD gives you living, can you live your living as you wish? Why not. But Dave doesn't like this idea, he thinks we are just HS, doing as the HS does? So if the gift of living, and the gift of the medium that causes living, is given to us, why does Dave assume a GIFT cannot be looked after by us, we are caretakers of that gift. We can care for God's gift to us. When God gives us a gift, are we not partakers and carers of this gift? Did not Adam care and tend the Garden, a gift from GOD to Adam. It was Adam's home, but the Home was gifted to Adam. Adam's body was gifted to Adam. Does that mean Adam cannot own and care for his own body? Why does Dave negate these ideas? D" Joh 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to youR" you understand Greek, the word " HIM" must this be gender masculine Dave? Who does the " HIM" refer to ? to the Father, to the Son or to the Shadday/HS? I am asking to evaluate my view, a family that is divine. Question: If the HS as a medium is already living in us, why does Jesus speak of another helper living in us? Answer" He must be referring to HIMSELF, not the HS as a helper, because the HS as a helper is already living in us, but Jesus cannot live in us personally, as Jesus is a personal high priest in heaven, in human form. And humans cannot be in many places at once. But the spirit of Jesus, his powers of character and love, can, via the HS medium, and hence Jesus terms this another helper. I will send "HIM" to you, I see as referring to the love personality of Jesus (HIM) not the medium/shadday already living in us (HER). Does Jesus spirit dwell inside of us, after we are baptized? Yes Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. The spirit of Jesus dwells in us., How? Via the medium of the HS/Shadday. Two comforters. Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you Jesus dwells in us personally, we have Jesus living in us, while Jesus is also our High Priest in heaven, in human form, but still is fully divine. The medium/HS is breathing the breath of Jesus upon us daily, in just the same way the breath of the Father is flowing over us daily. Wee SDA call one the breath of life, and the other the breath of salvation, both are administrated by the HS. 1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Notice that Jesus dwells and lives in us. This is possible because of the medium. And so if Jesus gives us His spirit, than we develop and care for that spirit, becoming a little Jesus light of our own. Glory to GOD ! D" What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit – a personal face to face experience with the Spirit of GodR" nice Except you do not support this view: You should write " What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit – a personal face to face experience with the Father." And the HS is another expression of the Father. So the Father died on the Cross and sends us another Father expression as our Comforter, so we have two Father's expressions of the Father living inside of us. Question: Sounds complex? Why doesn't the Father just live in us as the Father? 1 Timothy 6:15–17, “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion.” 1 Timothy 1:17, “To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory.” 1 John 4:12, “No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us.” Exodus 33:20, “He [God] said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.’” Deuteronomy 4:12, “Then the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of words, but saw no form; there was only a voice.” That is one side. You can’t see the FATHER and LIVE, while a sinner. Now, here is the other side: Matthew 5:8, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” Genesis 32:30, “Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, ‘For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered [or spared].’” Job 19:26–27, “And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another.” Here we are seeing GOD via the MEDIUM. SO how can we See the Father, or See Jesus? Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. When you hear the Father or the SON of both speak to you, you have SEEN the Father and the Son. It's a promise for your senses. Support this promise and live emotionally because of the promise. Indeed GOD, fully a divine FAMILY lives personally inside of us. Glory to God for His grace. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 1, 2022 17:18:15 GMT -5
D" None – the argument is that it may be an angelic tongue that the angels / archon understand and to another interpretation of tongues: Why do you deny the gifts of the spirit? R" I do not deny anything....why has nobody yet received this gift, to translate the tongue of the angels?How do you know wat the angels / archon hear – we are in their full viewObviously because by the fruits of these tongue speaking people, are wicked, the power inside of them must come from the Devil/Satan.So the SDA teach the Book of Acts is a Satnic Book - and the disciples prastices a form of satanism Your respect for Christianity is obviousBy their fruits ye shall know them, Scripture says. Why do you support - there is more than One True God Why do you support satan as a god Why do you support denial of the spirit Why do you support denial of the spiritual Why do you say God died upon the cross - what a thing to support D" All you see is world and biology 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. R" How funny you do not read your own Scripture? Why can't RA-flesh inherit the kingdom? Because it is sinful and fallen from sin, that's why. "and what decays cannot inherit " your answer you ignore. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GodWhy do you enjoy denying scriptureD"Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit (H7304) Messianic text says H7304 רָוחַ ravach (raw-vach') v. R" Wow the Dave brevity again, no discussion of the text.biblehub.com/text/job/10-12.htm I am sorry to inform you that the Hebrew Hub analysis has H 7307 NOT H7304, you are WRONG, and so is your messianic text, (whatever version of the Bible that is)
But no discussion from Dave, so I assume you have nothing to say.I saidMessianic text says H7304 רָוחַ ravach (raw-vach') v. 1. (properly) to breathe freely, i.e. revive. 2. (by implication) to have ample room. KJV says H7307 – רוּחַ - rûach - From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y). Notice the same words "my spirit" is over the same Hebrew word "ruwach". This can only mean that GOD gives us the ability to have and use qualities of God, administrated by the HS, that become "my spirit".Sorry Robert ruach means spirit only – it does not mean Holy SpiritYou are just playing a word game My spirit belongs to me – not your spirit – not the spirit of an angel – not an evil spirit – just my spirit R" Wow, you have written 3 sentences, I posted 11 sentences. I have been through this before, ruwach means "medium" for every context.Then why do you insist it only means the Holy SpiritOf course a "medium" can be owned by the person Changed your argument – you have always argued no man can own his spiritVery consistent So God was wrong when he said, thou shalt that very day, surely die? Only you argue against scripture – Mankind became mortal that very day D"Joh 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you R" you understand Greek, the word "HIM" must this be gender masculine Dave? Who does the "HIM" refer to ? to the Father, to the Son or to the Shadday/HS?TRINITY – male and female and neither and bothQuestion: If the HS as a medium is already living in us, why does Jesus speak of another helper living in us? Answer" He must be referring to HIMSELF, not the HS as a helper, because the HS as a helper is already living in us, but Jesus cannot live in us personally, as Jesus is a personal high priest in heaven, in human form. And humans cannot be in many places at once. But the spirit of Jesus, his powers of character and love, can, via the HS medium, and hence Jesus terms this another helper. I will send "HIM" to you, I see as referring to the love personality of Jesus (HIM) not the medium/shadday already living in us (HER). Correct – you have multiple gods – all Mainstream Christianity has is the TRINITYDoes Jesus spirit dwell inside of us, after we are baptized? YesOnce you are Baptized by the Holy Spirit – the Promised Comforter will teach your spirit - CorrectBill cannot walk down to the river - be baptised in water - and then go speak in tongues or heal the sick The baptism of the Holy Spirit is secondary to belief - it was for the disciples - and it was for the people of the Book of Acts 1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Notice that Jesus dwells and lives in us. This is possible because of the medium. And so if Jesus gives us His spirit, than we develop and care for that spirit, becoming a little Jesus light of our own. Glory to GOD Correct – secondary to belief and faithD"What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit – a personal face to face experience with the Spirit of God R" nice Except you do not support this view: You should write "What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit – a personal face to face experience with the Father." And the HS is another expression of the Father. So the Father died on the Cross and sends us another Father expression as our Comforter, so we have two Father's expressions of the Father living inside of us. The Father never died – you are insulting – only Jesus the Son of Man died upon the crossQuestion: Sounds complex? Why doesn't the Father just live in us as the Father?He does – DUH – TRINITY
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Post by Dave on Jan 2, 2022 10:06:27 GMT -5
Messianic text says H7304 רָוחַ ravach (raw-vach') v. biblehub.com/text/job/10-12.htm I am sorry to inform you that the Hebrew Hub analysis has H 7307 NOT H7304, you are WRONG, and so is your messanic text, (whatever version of the Bible that is) All of your talk of returning to the original Hebrew is nonsensebiblehub uses – Englishman’s Lexicon Englishman’s Lexicon is based upon the traditional Textus Receptus – with the addition of Modern Hebrew According to you the oldest Hebrew Text is errorThe Leningrad Codex is the oldest complete manuscript of the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew, using the Masoretic TextBiblia Hebraica Westmonasteriensis is an edition of the Hebrew Bible based on Codex Leningradensis (also known as the “Leningrad Codex,” “L,” and “b19A”), the oldest complete Hebrew Bible available, prepared by the J. Alan Groves Center for Advanced Biblical Research (formerly the Westminster Hebrew Institute). It includes version 4.18 of the Westminster Hebrew Morphology, which provides lexical and morphological analysis of every word. These tags identify each word’s form and function, and facilitate advanced searching. The Logos Bible Software edition integrates with English glosses, to assist in searching, lexicon look-up tables and a glossary of morphological terms, with links to grammars. It is really hard to discuss facts with you – (1) you do not know the facts (2) you just argue attitude I have offered this version to you before - it is complete with morpjological studies of each and every word - tohelp you understasnt the syntax and grammarYou were not interested - you only choose the approved Roman text based upon Erasmus GreekD"It is also a requirement for the next step in your Christian walk – to walk in the spirit – Baptism of the Spirit R" Arrh no, if you seek Jesus in prayer of amanuah, you have already been saved by Jesus and He treats you as sinless from that very moment.The goal is not to be a reciepient - to sit back and relax in your salvation (just for me - smug and secure) The goal is to be a disciple (to others) - to Jer 1:5 (to all the nations of the world)- Baptism of the Holy Spirit empowers that goal
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 16:57:39 GMT -5
D" So the SDA teach the Book of Acts is a Satnic Book - and the disciples prastices a form of satanismR" Dave the disciples who received the gift of tongues that one time only, were all sinless, not sinning sinners. They were of one accord, fully in jesus. D" Why do you support - there is more than One True GodR" I don't, there is one source of love. Love is a comunity of responding and providing and collecting. But fully completed love is ONE. A battery is made of three parts but the full electrical power flow from ONE source. The atom is made of three subatomic parts, but the whole atom flows and spins as ONE. Why is it so difficult to see my view correctly? D" Why do you support satan as a godA creature cannot be a Creator, so as best the opposer only opposes God's flow of power, which is termed missing, or a sin, a spoiler of God is all the opposer is. D" Why do you support denial of the spiritI embrace the spirit of Jesus living in me. I do not deny His spirit.
D"W hy do you say God died upon the cross -R" so Jesus who is GOD, did not die upon the cross? Please explain. D" flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God Why do you enjoy denying scriptureR" are you dull, because the flesh and blood we currently have is sinful. Duh Read my sentences Dave. D" I saidAnd you post your dribble again, without discussing and writing new words, are you afraid? So when asked to explain again in different words, Rob gets from Dave "I said". Wow some teacher or parent you are? D" I have been through this before, ruwach means "medium" for every context. Then why do you insist it only means the Holy SpiritR" I don't. duh spiritualsprings.org/ss-858.htmHYPOTHESIS: What does wind mean? INTRODUCTION: There is a special wind mentioned in Scripture known as the Holy Spirit. METHOD: All words in OT Hebrew studied. Where possible NT Greek is converted to equivalent OT Hebrew. Both noun and verb tenses covered as well. PICTURE: The pictograph reads "The HEAD secure outside" CONCLUSION: The Hebrew word "ruwach" means wind. This is not a Hebrew word for ordinary wind, but a special medium power, administrated by the Holy Spirit.
PERSONAL APPLICATION: The Scriptures consistently presents the wind as a special wind found in three contexts : (1) The wind of life (2) The wind of man (3) The wind of GOD
(1) The wind of life can refer to breathing in wind, or exhaling wind and is the hidden force of the Father administrated by the Holy Spirit as the "life force" within all living things, both animals, plants and human beings.
(2) The wind of man, is a reference to the character of man, a special quality administrated by the Holy Spirit and recorded for future references beyond death (sleep). Thus enables GOD to resurrect sleeping humans into the same character set they were before they died.
(3)The wind of GOD, is a reference to the character of the Father or Jesus, a special quality administrated by the Holy Spirit. Thus the Holy Spirit is able to represent other Beings communicating through the Holy Spirit. This makes the Holy Spirit into a medium, where communication channels can be opened or closed depending upon the way humans respect the Holy Spirit, a special Comforter for those living with sinning.
Some say when we die there is an immortal spirit that leaves our body and returns to GOD. This is true there is an immortal spirit within our bodies all the time, but this medium power is called the HOLY SPIRIT, not some force humans have direct control over. When you die, your life force facilities end that very day, your thoughts perish and the Holy Spirit takes your "spirit or character" recorded back to the Family of GOD.
This is a fascinating detailed study of all verses that have "ruwach" in them, both OT and NT, a very long study that promises to surprise and show your different Scripture insight into the Holy Spirit and how this medium power works among mankind.
For example here is a rare find about the personality of the Holy Spirit. Ho 4:19 The wind Holy Spirit(ruwach) hath bound her up in her wings , and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices . reference See further studies on the Holy Spirit. DISCUSSION: See over 700 verses in context, with discussions for some verses throughout.-----------this was written years before I met you----------------- D" Mankind became mortal that very dayR"so you agree with me? how strange? D"T RINITY – male and female and neither and bothR" so so your chief god is male and female and neither and both, not a Father, and expressing itself as a masculine Jesus and a feminine HS because it can. D" Correct – you have multiple gods R" you have multiple expressions of the cheif god too. How is your idea no different to mine? D" Once you are Baptized by the Holy Spirit – the Promised Comforter will teach your spirit - CorrectR" WHy does my spirit required further teaching if it was from day 6, and already knows all things? Have my spirit forgotten? So must be re-taught? D"T he Father never died – you are insulting – only Jesus the Son of Man died upon the crossR" OH so if the masculine expression died on the cross, isn't this masculine expression the chief god of yours? I won't term your chief god a Father anymore, you do not support this idea. Did not a masculine expression of the chief god, die upon the Cross Dave? Shalom ----------------------------next post------------------------ D" All of your talk of returning to the original Hebrew is nonsense biblehub uses – Englishman’s Lexicon Englishman’s Lexicon is based upon the traditional Textus Receptus – with the addition of Modern Hebrew
According to you the oldest Hebrew Text is error
The Leningrad Codex is the oldest complete manuscript of the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew, using the Masoretic TextR" I see, maybe you are using a ROman edit Bible source? So how good is the Leningrad Codex ? www.hebrewaramaic.org/pdf/Ancient_Versions_of_the_Bible.pdfThe Peshitta Tanakh (A"NK) is a reflection of the original Hebrew autograph. That original, or autograph no longer exists except in the form of the Aramaic version. The currently used Hebrew Masoretic Text is NOT the original autograph. I believe carefully examining the Targums also give the diligent student a shadow of that original autograph. As a rule I do not and will not use the Masoretic Text as a guide to the original since it has come down to us with its many corruptions. D" You were not interested - you only choose the approved Roman text based upon Erasmus GreekR" I am interested Dave, Tell me, where did the Leningrad Codex come from? Is not the The Peshitta Tanakh older and more reliable? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 2, 2022 20:43:05 GMT -5
D" So the SDA teach the Book of Acts is a Satnic Book - and the disciples prastices a form of satanism R" Dave the disciples who received the gift of tongues that one time only,
You admit – you deny scripture 1Co 14:1 Pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to people but to God—for no one understands, but in the Ruach he speaks mysteries. 1Co 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to people for building up, urging on, and uplifting. 1Co 14:4 One who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but one who prophesies builds up the community. 1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. One who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues—unless he interprets, so that the community may be built up.
R" (Dave’s paraphrase = This stuff only happened long ago – not today) Is this why you will not admit to doubting the magical stories of the spiritual in the ahl/OT
D"Why do you support - there is more than One True God R" The atom is made of three subatomic parts, but the whole atom flows and spins as ONE. Why is it so difficult to see my view correctly? You have three different unguic and independent parts to your model – there is Only One True God
D" Why do you support satan as a god A creature cannot be a Creator, so as best the opposer only opposes God's flow of power, which is termed missing, or a sin, a spoiler of God is all the opposer is. Not an answer – why do you say you have two kings and two gods? You call it the Great Controversy
D"Why do you support denial of the spirit I embrace the spirit of Jesus living in me. I do not deny His spirit. This is not an answer – why do you deny there are individual and independent spirits Angelic spirit / evil spirits / and man’s spirit are just the Holy Spirit to you
D"Why do you say God died upon the cross - R" so Jesus who is GOD, did not die upon the cross? Please explain. I have – several times – Man = biology + spirit Jesus Christ = Jesus biology Son of Man + Christ – the image of God – God incarnate - Son of God Jesus – biologicval Son of man died – the Image of God – God incarnate did not die that spirit returned to heaven Your denial of scripture is overwhelming
D"I have been through this before, ruwach means "medium" for every context. Then why do you insist it only means the Holy Spirit R" I don't. duh spiritualsprings.org/ss-858.htm See further studies on the Holy Spirit. You even misrepresent yourself - I said you were pathological
D"Mankind became mortal that very day R"so you agree with me? how strange? Except you refuse to define the term MORATAL – according to you angels are mortal also
D"Once you are Baptized by the Holy Spirit – the Promised Comforter will teach your spirit - Correct R" WHy does my spirit required further teaching if it was from day 6, and already knows all things? Have my spirit forgotten? So must be re-taught? YES – God taught us the Torah within the womb – we were in the presence of God before conception In this biological body of (yester ra) we have forgotten Deep inside – all of us know the truth Deep inside we already know right from wrong – tov from ra- Thank you Eve
D"All of your talk of returning to the original Hebrew is nonsense biblehub uses – Englishman’s Lexicon Englishman’s Lexicon is based upon the traditional Textus Receptus – with the addition of Modern Hebrew According to you the oldest Hebrew Text is error
The Leningrad Codex is the oldest complete manuscript of the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew, using the Masoretic Text I tried to share this Hebrew version with you before – it comes complete with morphological analysis of syntax and grammar D"You were not interested - you only choose the approved Roman text based upon Erasmus Greek R" I am interested Dave, Tell me, where did the Leningrad Codex come from?
(wiki) The Leningrad Codex is the oldest complete manuscript of the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew, using the Masoretic Text
In modern times, the Leningrad Codex is significant as the Hebrew text reproduced in Biblia Hebraica (1937), Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (1977), and Biblia Hebraica Quinta (2004–present). It also serves as a primary source for the recovery of details in the missing parts of the Aleppo Codex. … also served as the basis for two modern Jewish editions of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh):
Is not the The Peshitta Tanakh older and more reliable?
(google) What is the Peshitta? | GotQuestions.orghttps://www.gotquestions.org › Peshitta The Peshitta is a collection of Aramaic manuscripts of the Bible. Aramaic was the most common “shared language” among people of the Near East and Middle .
The Peshitta - Classical Syriac is the standard version of the Bible for churches in the Syriac tradition, including the Maronite Church,[1] the Chaldean Catholic Church,[2] the Syriac Catholic Church,[3] the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Malabar Independent Syrian Church (Thozhiyoor Church), the Syro Malankara Catholic Church, the Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church, the Assyrian Church of the East and the Syro Malabar Catholic Church.
Is the peshitta reliable? This is unfortunately not always very accurate, and his claims that the Peshitta Gospels represent the Aramaic original underlying the Greek Gospels are entirely without foundation; such views, which are not infrequently found in more popular literature, are rejected by all serious scholars.
Your knowledge of the history is lacking – please check you facts before you post I tried to share the Hebrew version with you before – it comes complete with morphological analysis of syntax and grammar
D"You were not interested - you only choose the approved Roman (KJV) text based upon Erasmus Greek D"All of your talk of returning to the original Hebrew is nonsense You won’t even look at it
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