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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2021 1:24:09 GMT -5
Please watch this video – I gain strength from it as a Gnostic Christian You will never hear a better secular explanation of why the unseen world is real and alive. If the unseen world is real and alive, then each of us must consider if that means scripture, which describes David Ike’s (my) cosmology is valid in any way. Once that door is open, whatever you do with that knowledge is up to you. Hopefully, if any of scripture is valid, then you will consider that more of it is as well, and now you are on your own personal journey, you have begun to Seek. My prayer is that you find Christ along the way. Christendom has morphed true theology into its own self-serving and Rome-centered mythology. The end result of Reformed Protestantism is a fractured and bankrupt church (small c). All of the different influences on us educate us to a reality that is anything but scriptural. All these different influences drag us away from the church, and unfortunately, the faith. Gnostic Cosmology demands that all of creation points to The Creator I use this video to witness to the non-believer. David Ike covers so much ground that it speaks truth to most people somewhere along the way. This guy sounds just like me! Or I sound like Him. I started my journey in 1974, has led me on a life of research, which has led me to a very obvious conclusion. There are entities just outside my field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this reality from the outside for eons. As you watch, Ponder that everything he says here is all about the Archon – His recurring theme, you are at a fork in the road. Wake up to a larger reality and the road to freedom (Christ), or remain trapped within the system. 6:10 Bloodline families 7:00 – 16:45-ish is all about culling the population through - Vaccines – after working 28 yrs in medicine, I don’t disagree with anything he says – but, I now see an updated version In my version of this video I edited straight to 25:5013:26 The Archon treat us like cattle – no empathy 13:49 – two types of Mass Mind Manipulation 16:59 – how the Archon are infused into society 20:56 – the targeting of Family Units 23:50 – eugenics 25:15 - Archon manipulative breeding of the population At the end of his age – only Noah remained pure25:50 – only presenting information – it either rings true or notGen 627:20 – Human perception and the reality of the Archon’s presence Describing the veil of Luke 16 28:08 – Multidimensionalism 28:12 – The Archon, Nephilim, and Rephiem infiltrating society 29:27 – The Serpent Race, Demonic (Archon), Jinn 30:30 – Sacrifices to other gods youtu.be/QiOgwMC-fAYDoes the Archon feed off of human energy? The Koran suggests that the Jinn grow stronger through your fear. Bloodline families – Deep State 32:15 – ‘unseen entities’ – Archon He answers the most amazing question 32:12 – The goal of the Archon The Hypostasis of the ArchonsArchon "threw human beings into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their human beings might be occupied by worldly affairs and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit."33:30 – Prison 33:50 – The mass hypnosis of humanity Programming of humanity36:20 – media’s programming 37:00 – education’s programming 38:25 – why are certain people selected to be influential 39:80- sperm bank? 40:40 – Christendom42:15 – the level of control the Archon have over the world 43:20 – the human Mind 43:46 – science – 3 dimensional holographic reality within a larger reality We are spirit trapped within Mind-Body – some call it the our SoulHow do we wake up to the larger reality? – Through Jesus Christ and the ‘awakening’ through the Holy Spirit. Why couldn’t I see it before?47:08 – we are at a fork in the road – spiritual reality – or remain trapped in the system of Archon We are eternal consciousness having a physical souljorn This revelation transforms our perspective and the way we look at things vrs the ‘Cradle to Grave Programming’ of the system of the Beast, the dragon, That Chief Archon and his staff
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2021 9:52:50 GMT -5
Show me a video that supports your view, You are having trouble even showing me one video. And when I go looking for videos on Gnostic things, they are way too weird to even relate to Christian views of the Bible, and you agree with this idea. So where is your video. I will watch R" I have been fair with you Dave, I evaluated your videos. Still WaitingActually, I have been awaiting your response to this video since October 1st, 2019R" I have been fair with you DaveAnd you ask me to be serious, and honest with you? Show me a video that supports your view, I have – but for some reason you refuse to even watch the video I suggestAnd you ask me to be serious, and honest with you?So where is your video. I will watch you still have not commented on my David Ike video All I have seen are your many comments about his other videos that I did not suggest
Still WaitingAnd as you review these ACADEMIC presentations I waznt you to pay close attention to how much time they spend dissagreeing with science or religion
While Don Patton and Walter Veith build their entire presentation on an attack - a criticism of othersSo what do you do when science does not agree with your religion?Does creationism engage in the discussion – do they attempt to educate – to validate NO – they ask you to take sides – and postureDivide and conquor - very Christian
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2021 15:16:42 GMT -5
D" you still have not commented on my David Ike videoR" What do you mean, I haven't commented on David Icke video? Rob notes "I repeat the words of David Icke14:35 "I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too". What's this than? These so called blood lines that do havoc to humans come from " fallen messengers", a creature you claim could be "cherub", or some other fallen messenger creature, like what "archon" ? Icke does not say this. I can only assume from my SDA world, "fallen messengers" refers to "fallen cherub" as it is the only evidence we have clearly in Scripture, but you ignore this clear evidence in Ezekiel 28, don't you? Do you have a video of Icke, clearly defining what these "fallen messengers " are referencing Scripture? I haven't found any video of his that does this. SO my comments of him come to an end. Are you done ranting now about your satan god?At 14:35 David Ike is speaking about Problem-Reaction-Solution His exact words at 14:35 = it could be a terrorist attack like 911 Your academic honesty is showing Why is misrepresentation and lie apart of your ministry?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 14:05:38 GMT -5
Greetings Dave,
My time is limited, as I must work soon
I watched 33 minutes of David Icke
David Icke video veil lifted saw the world in a very different way Saw the world in a different way, to them we are cattle lack of weapons of mass destruction is "Governments lie" ! Police state is breaking the surface. Government wants to dumb us down, keep us in ignorance, so we are kept away from the truth forces. eg Bush and Obama, controlled by other forces. The control system runs the world. We also see drugged children, chemical cocktails in our food. Affect the way we see the world. you are a fork in the road, wake up or remain rebots. blood line families in the control system. one agenda to bring this under control, is to reduce the number of people injecting people with stuff.... so you have to be more subtle, ie vaccines target immune system, eg AIDS, spoil the immune system children are given 25 vacinations, distablize the body dealt with a immature immune system any level of common sense, stupid, rewires the immune system my son 16, never had vaccine, very healthy... Swine flu vaccination in 1997 micro chips so small, and that was a plan. nanotechnology 1969 doctor in planned parenthood, told doctors a series of events, and they happened 1) create new viruses 2) create new vaccine to control population 3) allow more older people to die in care //12:53 These families treat humans like cattle, no empathy, 13:55
D"13:26 The Archon treat us like cattle – no empathy R" He never uses the term, "Archon"
through the media tell them want you want them to believe 15:04 classic fear, through authorities do stuff. "swine flu" is a classic scam, so they create the virus and the vaccine. 16:06 vast of public go along with it many of them say no to this. Read book 1984 and another book Brave New World, 17:24
D"16:59 – how the Archon are infused into society R" Icke never uses the term Archon
in Britian authorities take children away from families for all reasons, "because child took away Mum figure" social services, you can accept it, or access time, challenge the system. total state control of children 20:56 I am not religious, not in religion at all 21:23 any dictator wants is uniformity, not diversity 22:54 Eugenics changed name to Planned Parenthood 24:52 behind these familes want to manulipulate breeding of humans massive cull of population 25:45
D"25:15 - Archon manipulative breeding of the population R" Icke never speaks these words...
More research, what system has done, keeps from us, who we are, keeps us in the dark, 27:10 secret societies, they keep things from us like radio stations, other worlds, other entities share frequencies with us, share the same space, ie a parallel universe There are entities , anything but human, operate in a frequency different to ours, 28:50 SImilar to what these Illuminati blood lines do. These entities... look at religious beliefs they are called different names, serpent race, Jinn, etc. 29:36 blood lines of ancient breeding, hold a certain DNA code, allow the entities to possess the familyies with the same lines as humans, example, rockfella, etc blood drinking, sacrifices to the "gods" these are entities 30:54 possessed by these entities called them "demonic entities" for want of a word 31:35 we can only decode the human level, not see beyond visible light, see other things, these entities... global take over... these entities are common force... (R" live longer than humans ) Stop at 33:35
David Icke is not religious, so does not line up these "demonic entities" with names Christians are familiar with, he allows them to be called Jinn or the Serpent Race.
He does not use the term "Archon", so I am puzzled as to why you use Icke at all for support?
So do you have a video where Icke defines clearly who these entities are and how they got here?
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 1, 2021 17:25:49 GMT -5
My time is limited, as I must work soon I said – take your time – and be serious No need to start making excusses before you even start
I watched 33 minutes of David Icke The instructions were – you can start at 25:50 You did not read my intro – and I hoped you were going to be more serious
David Icke video D"13:26 The Archon treat us like cattle – no empathy R" He never uses the term, "Archon" There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn – the authors of the agl called them archon – King Solomon called them shedim –
Question - Who else is he talking about – I thought you were going to be more serious
D"16:59 – how the Archon are infused into society R" Icke never uses the term Archon There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn – the authors of the agl called them archon – King Solomon called them shedim –
Question Who else is he talking about – I thought you were going to be more serious
Eugenics changed name to Planned Parenthood 24:52 behind these familes want to manulipulate breeding of humans massive cull of population 25:45 D"25:15 - Archon manipulative breeding of the population R" Icke never speaks these words... Eugenics changed name to Planned Parenthood 24:52 behind these familes want to manulipulate breeding of humans
There are entities , anything but human, operate in a frequency different to ours, 28:50 SImilar to what these Illuminati blood lines do. These entities... look at religious beliefs they are called different names, serpent race, Jinn, etc. (etc = ARCHON / shedim) 29:36 blood lines of ancient breeding, hold a certain DNA code, allow the entities to possess the familyies with the same lines as humans, blood drinking, sacrifices to the "gods" these are entities 30:54 possessed by these entities Yep – all archon
called them "demonic entities" for want of a word 31:35 Yep all archon
we can only decode the human level, not see beyond visible light, see other things, these entities... global take over... these entities are common force... (R" live longer than humans ) Yes – they are the force behind the ra – the chaos
David Icke is not religious, so does not line up these "demonic entities" with names Christians are familiar with, he allows them to be called Jinn or the Serpent Race. You did not read my intro – and I hoped you were going to be more serious Only you stumble over names or words – just so you do not have to admit what is plainly in your right
He does not use the term "Archon", so I am puzzled as to why you use Icke at all for support? There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn – the authors of the agl called them archon – King Solomon called them shedim –
Question - Who else is he talking about – I thought you were going to be more serious
So do you have a video where Icke defines clearly who these entities are and how they got here? How does a race of beings get here – without evolution- DUH – Incremental Creation
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Christ made them
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities (archon), or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Christ made them – by Him for Him
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
God made them tov and ra
Neh 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein,…
God made all the host of heavens
Psa 33:6 By Adonai’s word were the heavens made, and all their host by the breath of His mouth.
By God’s word all the host of heave were made
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
God made them for Him – Christ made them for Him = Image of God=Christ / Christ = Image of God
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Gen 1:27 = God made man
HS = Image of God=Christ / Christ = Image of God=HS
There is Only One God – One True Creator - who created everything – including the archon agl scripture says – the Dragon appeared Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
The only Gnostic addition = It was from the left hand – the HS It was an ugly abortion – its first though was just of self – (yester ra)
The Beast of Revelation – the deceiver of the whole world- and his offspring = a race of creatures = the serpent race, devils, satanas, shedim. Jinn, archon, demons
There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn – the authors of the agl called them archon – King Solomon called them shedim –
Question - Who else is he talking about – I thought you were going to be more serious
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 14:23:16 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
I thought I was being serious, I watched your video, maybe I should have watched it from 25 minute to the end.
D"There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn
R" correct Icke says this.
Question" Do you have a David Icke video where is explains the origin of this demonic entity? And how it got here, and why is it here?
The video is explaining what these demonic entities are doing. Yep Agree. Got that.
Now does David Icke go further into the details?
Or does David Icke speak of them as an alien space invasion on earth, who perhaps assisted humans in our supposed evolution, after all David Icke is not a religious person, so how valid are his words anyhow?
To me, not valid at all. Try a Christian/Messanic/Muslim video Dave. Not one who is Agnostic or Atheist.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2021 15:46:21 GMT -5
I thought I was being serious, I watched your video, maybe I should have watched it from 25 minute to the end.
D"There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn
R" correct Icke says this. The video is explaining what these demonic entities are doing. Yep Agree. Got that. To me, not valid at all.
I see – you agree – but you think it all not valid Why do you work so hard to hide our real struggle Why do you work so hard to deny scripture
Question" Do you have a David Icke video where is explains the origin of this demonic entity? And how it got here, and why is it here? Why do you work so hard to hide our real struggle Why do you work so hard to deny scripture
Or does David Icke speak of them as an alien space invasion on earth, who perhaps assisted humans in our supposed evolution, after all David Icke is not a religious person, so how valid are his words anyhow? I am sure he does – because they are all archon
so how valid are his words anyhow? YES - always you first option - ignore the evidence just attack the source
D"There are entities just outside our field of vision, that are anything but human, that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them the demonic, some people call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn R" correct Icke says this. The video is explaining what these demonic entities are doing. Yep Agree. Got that. Why do you work so hard to hide our real struggle Why do you work so hard to deny scripture
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Post by Dave on Dec 3, 2021 9:22:14 GMT -5
I have been awake all night with these thought racing through my mind I Thank God for sending Robert to me – never have I been tested so completelyOur conversation together has been so valuable to me - a revelation actually I grew up with mainstream Presbyterian Christianity all my life – I tried hard to “be” a good churchian and even sat on the board but my personal question of my own experience were left unanswered. So I began to study harder – deeper – and began studying with Jewish Rabbis to better understand the Old Testament. To my surprise, Jewish theology was misrepresent to me by the church – and by belief began to shift. I translate Greek – I am not expert, but have years of experience and have even taught. I clearly remember 1962, when the announcement was made that Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls validated Hebrew scripture word for word – my parents were ecstatic. My translation work took me into an attempt to learn Coptic – but failed – hard to come by good grammars in English (my experience) – Coptic took me to the Nag Hammadi Library, which I have been reading / looking at / studying since 2010 – it is an eye opener for sure It is a glimpse into the theology of James, John, Paul, Phillip, and Thomas – the very same as authors of the New Testament – they and Jesus were all Jewish, born Jewish, grew up Jewish, is it any surprise that their writings sound very Jewish? – DUH All of the FIRST CHRISTIANS were Messianic Jews – The Nag Hammadi is the only surviving glimpse into what they said – and everything they say is 100% in support of Jesus Christ as the Messiah, God incarnate – the spiritual reality – and supplement the “Reality of the Archon” for the generation of the end times. Robert – has mounted opposition to every heart felt belief that I have – and he has made an enormous effort to deny the Reality of the Archon – and desires to replace it with Catholic Fallen Angels worshipThe Millerites originally had adherents across denominational lines, especially from Baptist, There is even a group called the Seventh Day Baptist The Seventh Day Advantest were looked upon as a cult for a long time The Baptist are still listed as a cult in several countries Both have their origins in Lutheranism Robert openly admitted – the Roman Catholic Church is a Jesuit Satanic Cult Robert openly teaches – the Roman Catholic Church is the antichrist Robert teaches – that Islam was invented by the Roman Catholic Church And Robert opened to door to SDA doctrine – where Ellen White repeats Roman Catholic Catechism word for word – The Fall of Angels – Ezk 28 The SDA base theology is the idea of The Great Controversy – two opposing gods locked in an eternal conflict. Roberts even admits – he has two gods and two kings , and says what’s wrong with that Also interesting is that Miller and then the SDA appeared on the planet during the period in history known as the 2nd Great Awakening – which gave us: the Mormon Church, and it’s ‘Other testament of Jesus Christ The Jehovah ’s Witness another failed prophesy group like the Millerites and the Islamic cult of Bahai Isn’t it interesting that both the Islamic cult of Bahai and the Christian cult of SDA are based upon the exact same Advent math – appearing at the same time. Groups that teach ‘Advent math’ and “No man will know the day” – at the same timeWhy is there such a close connection between the SDA and Islam? Why are SDA internal document Islamic apologetic? Why do SDA and Islam covert back and forth so readily as Robert points out? SDA internal document state – they are fully aware of the Jinn (archon) Question – why does Robert and the SDA work so hard to deny their existence? Question – why won’t Robert commit to the identity of the Levant’s ‘other gods’? Question – why won’t Robert commit as the identity of Allah? Reluctantly Robert faintly looked at my suggested video by David Ike – His commentsR" correct Icke says this. The video is explaining what these demonic entities are doing. Yep Agree. Got that. To me, not valid at all. Yet Gnostic Paul said Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (archon / shedim/ Jinn/ serpent race/ devils/ satanas/ shades), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I feel so bless to have met Robert – what an educationIslam teaches lying is an appropriate tool when trying to covert an infidel Robert cannot help himself – over and over – lack of integrity / credibility / academic honesty Robert – has mounted opposition to every heart felt belief that I have – and he has made an enormous effort to deny the Reality of the Archon – and desires to replace it with Catholic Fallen Angels worship - which he admits is a Jesuit Satanic Cult and the antiChristThis is so fascinating – and explains why Robert refuses to take this conversation, this forum, or me seriously
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 17:31:37 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
The reason why I do not see David Icke's comments as all that valid is because he is not religious, has no faith in religion or God, or anything of God.
Icke is more or less pushing the archons as an alien race, who possibly came to agument the DNA in human evolution, and so now remain here to play havoc with human evolution and thus harvest humans for their own benefit. Hence Icke's term "demonic entities".
I do not deny these rulers of darkness, or their supposed Greek name, "archons", I only ask you find a Christian or Gnostic or Muslim religious person who has a video to support who these archons, are, where that come from, and why are they here, according to the religious view.
Otherwise a video from an agnostic or atheist is not valid, is it?
This is why I use videos from Barry Setterfield, Jonathon Sarfetti, John Sanford, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, even Gerald Schroeder, because at least these men are religious.
I suggest you look for men who are religious and support your views clearly. Than we can discuss things on the same page, using words we are familiar with/
Does this approach make sense?
"demon entities" makes no religious sense to me... just a word game...
Icke never uses the term "Archons" because he is not religious, and therefore never will support your views.
DO you have a video that supports your view of the origin of the archons, why they are here and why GOD intentionally created them, as you claim?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 3, 2021 20:32:18 GMT -5
The reason why I do not see David Icke's comments as all that valid is because he is not religious, has no faith in religion or God, or anything of God. Icke is more or less pushing the archons as an alien race, who possibly came to agument the DNA in human evolution, and so now remain here to play havoc with human evolution and thus harvest humans for their own benefit. Hence Icke's term "demonic entities". YEP – This is a secular presentation – correct His presentation is all about reality – the reality we all find ourselves in whether we are religious or not – whether we are Christian, pagan or Muslim – or event atheist - his presentation is all about realityWhy do you work so hard to deny the reality of the Archon?I do not deny these rulers of darkness, or their supposed Greek name, "archons", I only ask you find a Christian or Gnostic or Muslim religious person who has a video to support who these archons, are, where that come from, and why are they here, according to the religious view. Otherwise a video from an agnostic or atheist is not valid, is it? You do not deny the archon but everything about them is not validThis is the type of Robert reasoning I see a lot Reality is reality no matter how you present it I suggest you look for men who are religious and support your views clearly. I got my views from the men who walked and talked with Jesus Christ before and after the Resurrection – the very authors of the agl – men who were 100% Jewish in their theology and knew the Messiah personallyDoes this approach make sense?All of Christianity is founded on the witness of these same men"demon entities" makes no religious sense to me... just a word game... Correct – you will do or say anything to help cover up our real struggleSung Tsu has been famous for centuries for saying – “Know your enemy” Why is it relevant in every aspect of our lives except in Roman Christendom? Icke never uses the term "Archons" because he is not religious, and therefore never will support your views.You just choose to stumble over words – so you can disagreeDO you have a video that supports your view of the origin of the archons, why they are here and why GOD intentionally created them, as you claim?Scripture clearly says – God made everything – nothing was made that wasn’t made by Him for Him. If it exist – God created it – for a purpose. That is the only wat angels got here, or how man got here, or how cows got here Your attempt to introduce a second creator – a second creation – or the concept of evolution is rejectedDO you have a video that supports your view of the origin of the archons, why they are here and why GOD intentionally created them, as you claim?1- the Reality of the Archon/ Jinn/ shedim/ demons/ evil spirit/ shades. Devils – has always been with man – because they were here before man 2- The Reality of the Archon = the reality of all the other gods and devils of the entire world All of their creation stories revolve around – devils are created by evil gods 3- In Jewish culture – (the age of the Jews – ahl) – the enemy was God’s nation vrs nations with ‘other gods’ – the witness of that story is Israel witnessing to the whole world – the Parade of the Jews Literature about them comes from King Solomon – and it is absorbed into the Kabbalah It is not a detailed description of their origin – but of just their tangible reality As a Christian – if you understand the story of King Solomon – scripture makes a lot more sense King Solomon was such a good hearted King that God made him the wisest man ever God gave King Solomon – information overload – too close to the power – face to face with shedim that he could use – laying the corner stones of the temple AND – King Solomon went nuts – bizerk – built temples to ‘other gods’ 4- Because of the Roman Edit – the Greek / Egyptian version has been hidden from view – until the Nag Hammadi Library was discovered in 1945 DO you have a video that supports your view of the origin of the archons, why they are here and why GOD intentionally created them, as you claim?I usually do not recommend or provide Islamic content on this form – A – do not want to be seen as a supporter in any form – other than – to know your enemy B- How does the reality of the Archon relate between Judeo-Christendom and Islam 5- In the Levant there was 2 religions – Judaism and ‘other gods’ Because of the Roman Edit - The reality of the Archon survives in the Bible of the ‘other gods’ Because of the Roman Edit - The reality of the Jinn/ archon have been absorbed in the Koran, Surah 72 (Titled) Al-Jinn. The Beast of revelation is the Beelzebub that fathered the shedim of the agl The Beast of Revelation is the serpent race, devils, satanas of the agl The Beast of revelation is the First/Chief Archon and his archon offspring In Isalm – Allah is the Beast of Revelation – his General “devil” is Isblis – and the Jinn are their soldiers / pawns / demons / shedim / archon So as you listen to this – always keep in mind – Allah = the First Archon – The Beast of revelationRev 12:9 And the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah,_the_Best_Deceiver_(Qur%27an_3:54) The Qur'an openly states many times that Allah is the 'best deceiver'. Robert – for you only – when a person reads the Koran out loud – you soon fall into a rhythmic chant – it is very poetic – if you do it enough I can see how little children memorize entire chapters by heart .The World Of Jinn – by Islamic Guidance00:30 – all cultures have a legacy about – demons, evil gods, and spirits 00:50 – Thy were on earth First 01:00 – Iblis (the devil) is a Jinn 01:20 – the Islamic version = man was bad – sothe bane elohiym of Gen 6 came to earth to help man 01:30 – Idlis (the devil) refuses to bow Iblis makes a deal with God – let him live – and When God calls man to believe – they will be there to distract them You will tell them to obey you – and he will tell them not to obey you You will tell them to avoid evil acts – he will tell to to commit You will tell them do not lie – he will them them to lie He will attack man from the front,back, right and left And most men will not be grateful to God Who does this sound like to you Robert – if not the Beast of Revelation , the devils, the serpent race, satanas, demons 2:40- Jinn means – the hidden ones Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (archon/Jinn), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness (100% David Ike), and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Invisible to man) David Ike – just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human that have been manipulating this worlds from the outside for eons 02:55 – shape shifters 03:10 – Jinn that live among us – Rephiem – 13 Families 03:20 – they are not 3D biology 03:45 – WHY did Allah create them 03:57 – when God creates – He creates for a purpose – Agreed 04:00- Allah created them to worship God 04:19 – both Jinn/archon and man have intellect 04:50 – man has received Jinn messengers 05:00 – Islam says some are good and some are bad Remember good means obedient to Allah (the Beast First Archon) – bad work for Iblis (devil) 05:25 – every man has an guarding angel 05:58 - every man also has a Jinn/archon A spiritual struggle 06:20 – demonic possession = 100% reality 07:00 – Islamic exorcism – very common today 08:09 – (google) shirk, (Arabic: “making a partner [of someone]”), in Islam, idolatry, polytheism, and the association of God with other deities 08:45 – the Muslim desired to use the power of the Jinn in battle – TODAY 08:50 – stupid Muslims believing in a false power rans into bullets and died by the 1000s 09:15 – the area of magic People TODAY do not have magical powers – they have contacts with the world of Jinn/Archon YES – Roger Mornou – you do not get ahead in entertainment world unless you are choosen YES – Snoop Dog – sold his soul to the devil for fame YES – when politicians move into positions of power – it is these entities behind the scenes pulling the strings – shadow government – alien involvement 09:50 – man wants – what appears to be the Power (if you do know who the Bilderberg group Bohemian Grove / the Creamation of Care - then you are not well informed)10:00 – fortune telling YES – other parts of the Koran say – when you think you are speaking to the spirit of the dead – you are actually speaking to a Jinn that knows enough truth to fool you – then fills you with lies If you speak to them – you can be drawn in by them (King Solomon the wisest man ever) ACCURATE INFORMATION used to deceive
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 15:30:28 GMT -5
D"Scripture clearly says – God made everything R" SO according to you God created evil creatures called archons on purpose.
According to you sharks were created by God intentionally to eat flesh and kill other fish
According to you ra is a by product of matter so during creation yester ra was already alive and functioning within Adam and Eve, so no wonder the Jews think Adam and Eve sinned or listened to their yester ra within one hour of them being created. For no reason other than for God's glory, God chooses to create for humans a flawed world rather than a utopian world that is without ra.
According to you archons cannot sin, as they were creatures created by God to naturally do ra. So according to you, God created everything including all the sin and wickedness we see on earth.
According to me, God did not create sin and the fruits of sin, ie ra. These things come from once sinless creatures who choose to sin, hence ra and sin are created by God, so the sinner can see his own sin. Otherwise if God did not react to sin kindly, once a creature sinned once, he would immediately cease to exist, for God normally does not normally tolerate any forms of imperfection. However God can as a kindness of grace tolerate sinning and ra, for a probation time, since sin is the first time such a thing has happened, and out of love, God allows other creatures to so love function under free will.
But according to you angels, and even cherubim do not have free will. Explain then how the cherub sinned?
But you ignore this verse.
Instead you have God intentionally creating a universe with creatures intentionally doing RA, as if this is quite a natural thing to God to create.
D"Your attempt to introduce a second creator R" I do not introduce a second creator. SIN and SINNERS only begin to SPOIL God's creation. The first cherubims that sinned only spoil God's love, Gods words, and God's powers (by refusing to support God's powers) (so God creates a system so SELF exists, so the creature can use powers he thinks he has within himself, SELF)
D"God gave King Solomon – information overload – too close to the power – face to face with shedim that he could use – laying the corner stones of the temple R" That is crazy, GOD allows Solomon to use Shedim to make God's temple. So God can use the evil sinning creature as a slave to build His temple of glory?
Sure King of Babylon was evil and choosing to sin, God wanted him to praise, repent and turn to God as a sinless king of Babylon, which God achieved. God did not allow the King to keep on sinning and still work for God. What kind of gospel are your Gnostics presenting? That God can use the wicked sinning man in his wickedness to do good deeds for God? The devil is used as a slave to build something glorious to dwell in?
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The video states that when God created Adam from dust, he asked the angels to bow down and worship the human. Where does Scripture say this? No where does Scripture ask creatures to worship other creatures.
But one Ibis, refused to bow down? Where does Scripture say this? Pride did not originate from God asking a creature to do something like this?
So the Jinn asked God to come down and curve the violence of man? Where does Scripture say this?
The video presents lies that are not back up with Scripture. The video is not explaining the origins of these archons as the Scriptures declare.
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2021 18:29:25 GMT -5
D"Scripture clearly says – God made everything R" SO according to you God created evil creatures called archons on purpose.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Scripture seems pretty clear – no second creator – no second creation – no evolution
According to you sharks were created by God intentionally to eat flesh and kill other fish Scripture seems pretty clear – no second creator – no second creation – no evolution
The only commandment recorded for the animals is – ‘be fruitful and multiply’ For some organisms they cannot obey this commandment without causing harm – they are call parasites I absolutely reject evolution – geneticist do not support evolution – scripture says God created
According to you yester ra was already alive and functioning within Adam and Eve, so no wonder the Jews think Adam and Eve sinned or listened to their yester ra within one hour of them being created. It has to be – to have a choice you must have at least two options Adam and Eve – obey God or disobey God
How can Eve choose to disobey – if that choice was not an option for her to choose You argue the gun appeared in your hand AFTER you pulled the trigger It is stupid argument
For no reason other than for God's glory, God chooses to create for humans a flawed world rather than a utopian world that is without ra. I just figured you out – you do not have a purpose God chooses to create for humans a flawed world rather than a utopian world that is without ra. You think God should have made a paradise for you to relax in – take a vacation (from what) You think God should have made the world for you – that is 100% SELFISH YESTER RA
A Jew would say – God made man to witness to this world and all the heavens A Jew would say – man’s function here is to reveal God’s Glory to this world Man is not on vacation – were are on assignment here – we have a job to do – a divine commission Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
According to you archons cannot sin, as they were creatures created by God to naturally do ra. they were creatures created by God with (yester ra) – agreed Can ants sin? Can cows sin? Does a virus sin? – no
Can the archon sin – originally they caused MISCHIEF – Baboons in a Library / Bulls in a China shop / Raccoons in the barn But one group of 200 of them – shifted their form to be more human –and committed the sin of “Reproduce after your own kind” and the Nephilim were born
To me – this is the ultimate expression of selfish (yester ra) In their own form – they could not violate that commandment But the 200 that did commit this sin in Gen 6 – are spoke about by Enoch and one line by Jude So according to you, God created everything including all the sin and wickedness we see on earth. You just play with sloppy definitions just to argue No God do not created the sin – God made the Law
But according to you angels, and even cherubim do not have free will. Explain then how the cherub sinned? Man picked up the fruit and took a bit – precept upon precept, line upon line
But you ignore this verse. I am not allowing tWo words to dominate the totality OF SCRIPTURE OR REALITY Please present a pre-Rome support for your Hebrew satan
D"God gave King Solomon – information overload – too close to the power – face to face with shedim that he could use – laying the corner stones of the temple R" That is crazy, GOD allows Solomon to use Shedim to make God's temple. So God can use the evil sinning creature as a slave to build His temple of glory? YEP – God is always the master – ask Balaam
Sure King of Babylon was evil and choosing to sin, God wanted him to praise, repent and turn to God as a sinless king of Babylon, which God achieved. Ok – Teach me the SDA version God touches King Solomon with wisdom – King Solomon is taught in Presbyterianism as the wisest King ever – so why did he go crazy and builds temples to ‘other gods’
-------------------------- The video states that when God created Adam from dust, he asked the angels to bow down and worship the human. But one Ibis, refused to bow down? So the Jinn asked God to come down and curve the violence of man? Where does Scripture say this? Your question proved beyond the doubt how well you listen or pay attention
The video presents lies that are not back up with Scripture. The video is not explaining the origins of these archons as the Scriptures declare. That’s the issue isn’t it – you just deny the source If the Nag Hammdi says something you deny the source If King Solomon said something you deny the source If David Ike says something – well he is not religious so deny the source If the science of genetics denies evolution that a good thing I guess but it also denied Creationist KINDS so deny the source
BUT if St Jerome or St Clement the 1st said something – that is ROMAN GOLD
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION, PART ONE, SECTION TWO,CHAPTER ONE, ARTICLE I, Paragraph 7. The Fall II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS 391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy. Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil". The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels. This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign.
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 16:00:20 GMT -5
D" You argue the gun appeared in your hand AFTER you pulled the triggerR" so of .... I will explain more fully below: You on the other hand support the idea, the RA was intentionally inherit in Adam before He sinned, than we have genes controlling the person, rather than free will which controls the person. You remove free will in your view. This is my view: Adam had genes in him that was perfect, and encoded to allow Adam to remain sinless. Nothing RA existed. A cherub who had sinned long before Adam, also sinned. What did this sinning do this this cherub, is essentially the same as what the sinning did to Adam, so it doesn't matter who brought SIN into the world. It follows the same principle every time a creature free will chooses to sin. Now let's suppose Adam decided to SIN, what happens next? There has to be a divine reaction, because normally SIN is not allowed to happen under the administration of GOD. Any creature who dares to sin would immediately cease to exist. That is what GOD thinks of missing His powers. But when this first cherub decided to sin, like Adam who decided to sin, God must react, otherwise the sinner would immediately cease to exist in an instant. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do GOD steps into this free will choice and than for the first time allows the choice to make fruits of this choice, which the Bible calls RA. So GOD reacts to the free will of choice, and makes many adjustments, so the choice is observed by the creature and also by God. The fact God allows this to occur shows us God's kindness, a Bible term called grace. When these things are done by God, some things happen to the creature also. Epi-genetics is something we do not understand, but somehow our actions are also recorded forever in our genes, as well as the actions God recorded their long ago when the creature was created. This term is a Hebrew word called "aven" not even translated well in Scripture, but it is nevertheless there. Jeff Benner calls "Aven" seeds of propensity. So your very actions and thoughts are somehow encoded into the epi-genetic makeup of you, and you develop a wired habit, (aven) which develops to a propensity. We all are born with code that allows this, aven seeds, are in our DNA. But a sinless human is not born with aven seeds of RA. Such seeds do not exist. They came to be only after you choose to SIN. I have mentioned before my shadow experiments, which explain RA and how the sinner with GOD, sees the umbra shadows of RA for the first time from sin. You never quote this study so I assume you have never read the study I have done on this. Isaiah 45 and 1 John speak of shadows and sin, so a natural experiment helps us understand a lot of things. spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmOriginally in a sinless world, only preumbra shadows exist. In a fallen world with sinning in this world, both preumbra and umbra shadows exist. The difference between these worlds is not the creature, nor the laws of both worlds, but simply the powerful glorious power of God shinning in our world. God's power shines less in a fallen world, in fact; this is why the shinning power enters a MEDIUM. The medium controls the fallen world, so it can exist without it being destroyed by the brightness of elohiym power. This is your viewAdam was born with propensities of RA before he sinned. And so when Adam sinned those propensities of RA came to do what they were wired to do, develop more yester ra in Adam. You see RA as something not of SIN nor anything to do with SIN, something natural, a movement away from God, a by product of creation, negative entropy. But Scripture would not agree with you, investigating RA as a word, the contexts show you it is the "fruit of sin" I will add discussions to this small study of RA Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually The humans were sinning, hence the RA Ge 31:29 It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: The humans have power to do RA, but they must SIN first, in order to do RA Ex 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; Peer group pressure. Do not associate with SINNERS who do RA Ex 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. The SIN caused God to react with RA. Le 26:6 ...: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, Interesting animals once programmed to be perfect, now are imperfect. They too are missing power from GOD and hence develop RA. Such animals also sin, but their sin is not judged. Only humans are judge when we sin. Nu 11:1 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, Notice the SIN first, than GOD reacts but does not SIN, but does RA , the fruit of SIN Nu 14:27 How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? God reacts to SIN, by allowing RA to come, who wrought this RA, the people did, not God, even though God has to create the RA, the SIN demands. Do you get my view of RA from the texts and the discussions Dave? This is how a Bible study should be done. Don't just quote Scripture, allow the reader to develop what you view is about. D" A Jew would say – God made man to witness to this world and all the heavensR" correct Yes we witness for God to other cherubims who did not SIN, against the cherubims who DID SIN. D" Man is not on vacation – were are on assignment here – we have a job to do – a divine commissionR" correct SIN shall not enter a second time we are told. The vacation happens in the next world, that is without RA and without SIN, never to enter again. D" Can ants sin? Can cows sin? Does a virus sin? – noR" technically yes, these creatures also sin Le 26:6 ...: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, Interesting animals once programmed to be perfect, now are imperfect. They too are missing power from GOD and hence develop RA. Such animals also sin, but their sin is not judged. Only humans are judge when we sin. I mentioned this already, from a study of RA. RA comes from creatures that miss God's power, not because GOD intentionally made them that way. You ignore the curse God declared when Adam sinned. D" But one group of 200 of them – shifted their form to be more human –and committed the sin of “Reproduce after your own kind” and the Nephilim were born
R" That is an interesting theory Dave, which I do not support, but am happy to discuss if you show me a video describing this exact thing you write here, including the word archon, in a video form. David Icke never talks of this origin, so stop using him. Do you have a video of the 200 group archons who shape shifted and had sex with humans to create these blood lines of Nephlim demigods you claim happened? D" But the 200 that did commit this sin in Gen 6 – are spoke about by Enoch and one line by JudeR" I thought Book of Enoch calls them watchers, angels, cherubs?? And Jude calls them messengers? D"Y ou just play with sloppy definitions just to argue No God do not created the sin – God made the LawR" Care to edit your sloppy sentence, I can't fathom your thinking? D" So according to you, God created everything including all the sin and wickedness we see on earth.R" God never creates the SIN, you choose this. GOD allows the fruits of your sinning to be observed, and this is created by GOD. Just because RA is seen from SIN, does not mean GOD is resposible for RA or SIN. God is not mocked, a humans reaped what he sows. If you sow SIN, you reap RA. God is not the author of SIN and RA on earth, humans are who choose to SIN and thus reap their RA. D" I am not allowing tWo words to dominate the totality OF SCRIPTURE OR REALITYR" How strange of you? The Hebrew in Ezekiel 28 says a cherub sinned. Was once sinless but chose to sin. You ignore this verse. Your choice. D" Please present a pre-Rome support for your Hebrew satanR" cope out Dave Please present to me an OT supporter of GOD like Abram who knew Gnostic views and supported them. Must you support your view from others? Isn't the torah supposed to be obeyed despite what men think about the torah? D" so why did he go crazy and builds temples to ‘other gods’R" SOlomon SINS and loses his powers from God, repents at the end, and comes back to God. D" Your question proved beyond the doubt how well you listen or pay attentionR" What was I suppose to listen to and for Dave? Please tell me right here, right now. In any study you should state what the purpose of the study is for? spiritualsprings.org/ss-171.htmHave how a study of RA occurs in my website.... HYPOTHESIS: What does the Hebrew word "ra" mean ? INTRODUCTION: This is another study looking at self and self-indulgence. The concept of bad contrasts with good. The tree of good and bad in the midst of the Garden of Eden comes to mind here. The meaning of good are the basket picture of good things that flow from the basket. The meaning of bad is a basket of bad things which flow. God is able to sustain the choice of morality, should beings choose one basket or the other. Thus GOD is able to sustain our choices, without being totally responsible for the choices we make. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (bad) - "ra": I the LORD do all these things. This verse says Jesus engineers or fattens (creates) bad - the translation "evil" is not a good word as it implies GOD creates evil. I like a video of Albert Einstein presumably on this. A professor asked his students did God create everything. "Yes He did", a brave student replied. "Well" said the professor, "if God created everything, and since evil exists, than God created evil. This makes God into a fairy tale..." He concluded. Another student raised his hand and said... "May I pose a question ?" "Sure" said the professor. "Does cold exist ?" the student asked. "Of course" said the professor, "haven't you ever been cold ?" "Cold sir , does not exist" the boy replied. "Lesser amounts of heat is a term we humans call cold, and nothing is colder than absolute zero, a place of zero heat...thus ...Cold is simply the absence of heat." The boy asked again, "Sir,.. does darkness exist ?" "What kind of question is that ? " asked the professor "of course darkness exists !" "Darkness does not exist either sir, for we can study light into individual spectrums, but dark has no spectrums. And thus does not exist. Darkness is a convenient term we humans have labelled the absence of light..." "Furthermore, " the student replied .."Does evil exist...?" "Yes" the professor sighed, that we are back at the beginning of his own observation.... "I am sorry sir, but evil does not exist either..." For evil is simply a term we humans use to describe lesser amounts of God's power in the lives of man..." And the professor bowed his head and refused to answer back. What I like about this story, is without Jesus sustaining our choice for moral living, dysfunction would cease to exist. The sustaining of evil is a mystery function of the medium known as the Holy Spirit. I will leave that for later reference, if your interested in further studies on this subject. METHOD: It is a very long study of 668 verses, OT and NT. CONCLUSION: The Hebrew word "ra" means "dysfunction" or "bad" PICTURE: "bad" "strongs 7451" The pictograph means "The head twisted" PERSONAL APPLICATION: The head twisted is a good picture for "bad". Morally such people are confused like rope, with some actions running clockwise and some actions running counter clockwise. This is the idea of mixing good and evil, function and dysfunction, things that work with things that don't work. This is why we find evidence of micro-evolution, and mistakes in Mother Nature for there are processes that work and processes that don't. DISCUSSION: This is a very long study. I was going to reduce the verses, but for completeness all 668 verses are discussed. See the occasional comments in text Notice when you present something, present why you present this and what you hope to gain, so the reader can support you or not. D" CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION, PART ONE, SECTION TWO,CHAPTER ONE, ARTICLE I, Paragraph 7. The Fall II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELSR" Just because other religions speak of this or that, doesn't make them right or wrong. The Hebrew scriptures is all you need. Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: How many religions was there a war in heaven over ? TWO How many religions was there a war on earth over ? Hundreds, but still mostly two Satan makes different flavors of religions to confuse the truth. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2021 18:01:57 GMT -5
D" You argue the gun appeared in your hand AFTER you pulled the trigger R" so of .... I will explain more fully below:
You on the other hand support the idea, the RA was intentionally inherit in Adam before He sinned, than we have genes controlling the person, rather than free will which controls the person. You remove free will in your view. This is the dumbest argument I have ever heard If Eve only had one choice – she would have been a robot If Eve had no other choice – then how could she choose it? To have both choice IS FREE WILL
This is my view: Adam had genes in him that was perfect, and encoded to allow Adam to remain sinless. Then Adam would have remain sinless – because there was no other option Nothing RA existed. – there was a lot of ra in the formation of the planets - the fossil record - the geological record - the cosmic record - stop denying reality You are only correct if all science and all history is false - therefore you opinion is a belief not an empericL FACT.
SHOW ME THE DATA
A cherub who had sinned long before Adam, also sinned. What did this sinning do this this cherub, is essentially the same as what the sinning did to Adam, so it doesn't matter who brought SIN into the world. It follows the same principle every time a creature free will chooses to sin. AND what happen to Adam when he choose to sin – even tho you say it was not an option to choose His eyes were opened – he understood what it meant to be disobedient
There has to be a divine reaction, - DUH Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; It was clearly defined in the LAW Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
But, God must react, Sorry Robert – you are insulting God’s soverignintry God does not play second to you satan God is not force or controlled by your satan
Isa 14:27 For Adonai-Tzva’ot has purposed, so who will annul it? Since His hand is stretched out, who will turn it back?
Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does.
So GOD makes many adjustments, - Absolutely reject the idea that God is forced to do anything by your satan god
Jeff Benner calls "Aven" seeds of propensity.(yester ra) We all are born with code that allows this, aven seeds, are in our DNA. Correct – we are made this way – agreed But a sinless human is not born with aven seeds of RA. HUH – you just said we did? Such seeds do not exist. They came to be only after you choose to SIN. Correct – you teach the gun appeared in your hand after you pulled the trigger Will any judge ever believe you
I have mentioned before my shadow experiments Yes – you teach there are places God cannot exist Also a statemet of disrespect – God is omnipresent period Your ideas that God cannot be in two places at the same tme – or there are place where you can hide from God is nonsense
This is your view Adam was born with propensities of RA before he sinned. And so when Adam sinned those propensities of RA came to do what they were wired to do, develop more yester ra in Adam. NOPE – My view Adam was created with the Free Will coice to obey the Law ot disobey the Law and the penalty was clearly spelled out When Eve choose poorly – it is just proof that all mankind chooses poorly – all men are sinners
You see RA as something not of SIN nor anything to do with SIN, something natural, a movement away from God, a by product of creation, negative entropy.
Sin = breaking the Law – disobedience Ra = the movement away from God – or corruption/entropy
A volcano or earth quake is always ra – a forest fire is ra – a hurricane is ra – where is the sin If you swim out into the ocean and drown – where is the sin If a tree falls over and smashes your car or house – where is the sin
I will add discussions to this small study of RA Yes please prove to me that if I have cancer – it is the result of my sin
Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually The humans were sinning, hence the RA (yester ra)
Then Laban said to Jacob, - Ge 31:29 It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: The humans have power to do RA, but they must SIN first, in order to do RA
So it is a sin for Joshua to lay waste to Jericho The SDA teach it is a sin to obey God?
Le 26:6 ...: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, Lev 26:6 “I will bring shalom in the land, and you will lie down, with no one making you afraid. I will remove dangerous beasts from the land and no sword will pass through your land. Interesting – if we obey God – God will protect us
But if do not obey then Robert’s Feel Good God of tov that cannot do any hurt/harm/ra will Lev 26:14 “But if you will not listen to Me, nor carry out all these mitzvot, Lev 26:15 and if you reject My statutes and if your soul abhors My ordinances, so that you do not keep all My mitzvot, but instead break My covenant, Lev 26:16 then I will do the following to you in return. I will appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever that will dim the eyes and cause the soul to pine away. You will sow your seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. Lev 26:17 I will set My face against you and you will be routed before your enemies. Those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee when no one pursues you. Lev 26:18 “If you, in spite of these things, will not listen to Me, then I will chastise you seven times more for your sins. Lev 26:19 I will break your pride of power. I will make your sky like iron and your earth like bronze. Lev 26:20 Also your strength will be spent in vain, for your land will not yield its increase, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit. Lev 26:21 “If you keep walking contrary to Me and will not listen to Me, then I will multiply the plagues on you seven times like your sins. Lev 26:22 I will send the wild animals among you, which will rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you so few in number that your roads will become deserted. Lev 26:23 “Now if in spite of these things you will not be chastened by Me, but walk contrary to Me instead, Lev 26:24 then I will also walk contrary to you. Then I will strike you, I Myself, seven times for your sins. God can even use the beast of the field any way He wants
Do you get my view of RA from the texts and the discussions Dave? This is how a Bible study should be done. By pulling words out of context and grammar – I don’t think so Your method has failed you before Precept upon precept, line upon line Is about princilples, teachings, commandments, examples over and obver NOT TWO WORDS THAT STAND ALONE OUT OF CONTEXT
D"Can ants sin? Can cows sin? Does a virus sin? – no R" technically yes, these creatures also sin Please tell me how cows choose to disobey God
Le 26:6 ...: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, You are making a false correlation – God is offering a hand of protection You just pull the verse out of context
D"But one group of 200 of them – shifted their form to be more human –and committed the sin of “Reproduce after your own kind” and the Nephilim were born R" That is an interesting theory Dave, which I do not support, but am happy to discuss if you show me a video describing this exact thing you write here, including the word archon, in a video form. There are 1000s of video of Enoch – or the Nephilim – or the Jinn – or the archon Take your pick – or you could read the book as a student might
D"But the 200 that did commit this sin in Gen 6 – are spoke about by Enoch and one line by Jude R" I thought Book of Enoch calls them watchers, angels, cherubs?? And Jude calls them messengers? YES Robert – you attempt to play word games – just to confuse
D"So according to you, God created everything including all the sin and wickedness we see on earth. R" God never creates the SIN, you choose this. Make up your mind – is sin from man or is sin from someone else?
God is not the author of SIN and RA on earth, humans are who choose to SIN and thus reap their RA. Misrepresent away – Robert – whatever you do – do not look at it honestly God created ra – end of story – stop denying scripture Sin entered the world through a man – stop denying scripture
D"I am not allowing two words to dominate the totality OF SCRIPTURE OR REALITY R" How strange of you? The Hebrew in Ezekiel 28 says a cherub sinned. Was once sinless but chose to sin. You ignore this verse. Your choice. YEP- Adam the guardian of the garden choose to sin You corrupt the verse to honor Rome and their invented doctrines to control the population D"Please present a pre-Rome support for your Hebrew satan R" cope out Dave If your Hebrew satan existed as you present him, why in the world would a Jew never refer to it in over 3000 years of literature
Please present to me an OT supporter of GOD like Abram who knew Gnostic views and supported them. All of the Archon / Jinn / demons stories all originated with King Solomon
Must you support your view from others? Isn't the torah supposed to be obeyed despite what men think about the torah? The ahl speaks of the shedim, Lilith, the satyr – you accuse scripture of being false or in error Thera hl speak a lot about the reality of the ‘other gods’ The ahl speaks a lot about the Rephiem Gen 6 is all about the archon The flood was a result of the Archon Just how much scripture must you deny to defend Roman satan
D"so why did he go crazy and builds temples to ‘other gods’ R" SOlomon SINS and loses his powers from God, repents at the end, and comes back to God. Way to avoid a direct answer How does the wisest man – a gif from God - become so stupid? Why does the wisest king sin?
D"Your question proved beyond the doubt how well you listen or pay attention All of your question are answered in the Koran, Surah 72 There is that 72 number again - courious.
In any study you should state what the purpose of the study is for? The whole point of this discussion id the Reality of the Arhon
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (bad) - "ra": I the LORD do all these things.
This verse says Jesus engineers or fattens (creates) bad - the translation "evil" is not a good word as it implies GOD creates evil. Stop trying to twist scripture
I like a video of Albert Einstein presumably on this He is not a Christian – why post from outside source – isn’t the Torah enough
METHOD: It is a very long study of 668 verses, OT and NT. CONCLUSION: The Hebrew word "ra" means "dysfunction" or "bad" Agreed – entropy – opposite of creation
II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS R" Just because other religions speak of this or that, doesn't make them right or wrong. The Hebrew scriptures is all you need. Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven:
IT IS NOT HEBREW - the Hebrew word satan is not in the Gnostic John’s Book Revelation anywhere
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D" Nothing RA existed. – there was a lot of ra in the formation of the planets - the fossil record - the geological record - the cosmic record - stop denying reality R" If what you say is true, than God need not have cursed the Creation, after Adam sinned, but God did curse creation, hence things were different before the curse. You have not considered this idea.
D"Sorry Robert – you are insulting God’s soverignintry God does not play second to you satan God is not force or controlled by your satan R" Alright, you don't like my leading. What alternative is there? Your view. That God created both RA and Tov, and this there is no need of sinners or sin, because RA and SIN is a concept God created in His universe already?
So your Gnostic view does not have a concept of SIN does it, the yester ra you speak of was already fully installed in Adam and Eve, while he was born, after all you say this fact is required as it causes a free will choice. I would say this is false. Free will does not require RA to be installed. Free will is simply the ability to choose to miss God's power in your life, and all the RA that comes from your choosing is created by GOD as you choose less of His power in your life.
That is what Isa 45:7 says, "God creates the RA", the fruits of your sin.
D"God does not play second to your satan God does not play second to your opposer God does not play second to your sinner R" Really. Explain to me than what sinning is Dave? Is you decide to sin, what happens in your view as far as GOD is concerned? You have answered this before? Nothing is your answer. My answer is God is compelled to act to your decision. After all the wages of missing God in your life is the immediate ceasing of your existence. Explain to me how the sinner can sin and still be allowed to live. Who decides who lives? God does. Bingo there is your proof, God reacts to the sinner, every time the sinner sins.
D"So GOD makes many adjustments, - Absolutely R" Great, than embrace my view of sin and sinning than.
D"Absolutely reject the idea that God is forced to do anything by your satan god R" Really. this cherub was the first cherub, the first creature to have sinned. No different to any other sinner who sins. SO if a creature opposes GOD by sinning, doesn't God have to make adjustments to His powers? Absolutely.
Look what happened to Adam when he sinned. God cursed the creation.
What evidence is there on earth before creation of man, of the cherubs that sinned placed there, of the fruits of their sinning?
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Here is evidence of RA, ther fruit of somebody sinning. However you call this natural ra, something God puts up with naturally, a by product of his creation.
The word RA cannot have two meanings, the word implies a movements away from God, and you agree with this meaning. The darkness and disorder on earth before Creation is unnatural to GOD. God came to this sinful place, which is what RA implies, and began creating utopia over it for man, to witness against the opposers of GOD.
RP"We all are born with code that allows this, aven seeds, are in our DNA. D" Correct – we are made this way – agreed RP" But a sinless human is not born with aven seeds of RA. D" HUH – you just said we did? R" you have trouble reading my sentences Dave.
We are born with DNA code that allows for the recording of RA should sinning exist, but if no sinning exists, no RA fruits of sinning, will be recorded. You missed the meaning of "allows this".
D"Correct – you teach the gun appeared in your hand after you pulled the trigger Will any judge ever believe you R" Twist away Dave. D"Yes – you teach there are places God cannot exist Also a statemet of disrespect – God is omnipresent period Your ideas that God cannot be in two places at the same tme – or there are place where you can hide from God is nonsense R" You mock, twist and make up statements I never said. No wonder people do not like writing stuff on forums, because people misapply the words, and misdirect statements we never wrote.
D"you teach there are places God cannot exist R" Light can penetrate all corners of a room, so your statement is wrong. I do not teach this.
D"God is omnipresent R" correct, I also teach this. D"God cannot be in two places at the same time R" Well you say GOD cannot co-exist as two expressions of God at the same time. You deny Gen 17:1 for instance.
RP"This is your view: Adam was born with propensities of RA before he sinned. And so when Adam sinned those propensities of RA came to do what they were wired to do, develop more yester ra in Adam. D" NOPE – My view Adam was created with the Free Will coice to obey the Law ot disobey the Law and the penalty was clearly spelled out When Eve choose poorly – it is just proof that all mankind chooses poorly – all men are sinners R" You see, you do not write discussions? How can anyone understand your words? D"Sin = breaking the Law – disobedience Ra = the movement away from God – or corruption/entropy R" I though chata means to miss. Breaking the law is "pesha". ie transgressions.
SO tell me, your definitions of sin and ra are not related are they?
D"If a tree falls over and smashes your car or house – where is the sin I define RA as the fruits of SIN. You ask where the the SIN is a tree falling over into your house?
Fruits is a time thing, so the RA comes later long after your sinning, not necessarily immediately when you sin.
When Adam sinned God cursed the ground, hence negative entrophy came into the creation as a result of Adam's sin. You have negative entropy coming in before Adam sinned. I would disagree with is.
So the tree falling over is the result of Adam's sin, sometimes things happen to people of no direct fault of the person who sinned. Who made the man born blind, the disciples asked? Jesus replied
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Jesus never answered the question. Where does RA come from?
Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
If Jesus is the light of the world, logic implies there must be a BEING who is the darkness of the world.
Jesus cannot be both.
Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
Strange Dave cannot understand. How does GOD do miracles if GOD is the author of both light and darkness?
Obviously GOD is not a sinner, is NOT the author of darkness, for GOD does miracles, and the darkness go away and the man sees light.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth
Obviously Jesus cannot be darkness, only light, for the Father hears Jesus.
Therefore darkness has to be a fruit of SIN. Some Being must have SINNED.
D"Yes please prove to me that if I have cancer – it is the result of my sin R" Yes indeed cancer is the fruit of your SIN, even the SIN Adam wrought over you, and your parents before you, some SINs are inherited upon you as RA, the fruit of SIN. Most cancers however are the directly violation of the laws of health, which people disobey daily.
D"The humans were sinning, hence the RA (yester ra) R" Why do you cross out RA and write yester ra ?
Again you fail to discuss after my discussion?
D"The humans have power to do RA, but they must SIN first, in order to do RA R" correct.
D"God can even use the beast of the field any way He wants R" I would say if GOD is missing from your life, than the RA comes over you, the results and fruits of SIN, ie missing GOD in your life. God does not make bad things happen to you, but bad things happen to you because of the missing in your life. However I remember a lovely SDA lady my wife knows, who died of cancer, and she did no bad things that we know of. So sometimes RA is difficult to pin down to a SIN problem. Take Job for instance, the RA that happened to JOB, what SIN did JOB experience to get the bad things? None. They came from over JOB because the Opposer wanted to tempt Job to sin, and God allowed this to occur. So someimes RA can come through no fault of your own.
D"By pulling words out of context and grammar – I don’t think so Your method has failed you before Precept upon precept, line upon line Is about princilples, teachings, commandments, examples over and obver NOT TWO WORDS THAT STAND ALONE OUT OF CONTEXT R" so on the basis of one study you disagree to , you now use that to disagree with all studies I do with you? So you are biased Dave, does this mean you no longer reason with me?
D"Please tell me how cows choose to disobey God R" not sure of cows, but sometimes an angry bull can maul people to death. That is a sin, or RA effect from the curse on creation from Adam's sin.
D"There are 1000s of video of Enoch – or the Nephilim – or the Jinn – or the archon Take your pick – or you could read the book as a student might R" Good. Than it should be easy for you to show me one that talks of archons created by GOD, that later saw the human woman and had sex with them and later caused the blood line families of nephilim that do havoc on earth to this day. Exactly as I wish in these words. Show me one video Dave.
D"God created ra – end of story – stop denying scripture Sin entered the world through a man – stop denying scripture R" so sin never also began with a cherub sinning?
D"If your Hebrew satan existed as you present him, why in the world would a Jew never refer to it in over 3000 years of literature R" Alright let's test your idea that Jews are inspired and follow GOD.
Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Show me the Jewish writings on the applications of this most wonder verse, yet I predict another verse Dave and Jews also ignore and have ignored for 3000 years. Show me any or all the applications on this verse Dave? Do Jews write any?
D"How does the wisest man – a gif from God - become so stupid? Why does the wisest king sin? R" You think is wisdom is something you gain. No Wisdom is the presence of the HS living in you empowering you with wisdom from GOD. Lose that connection and all your wisdom suddenly vanishes.
D"This verse says Jesus engineers or fattens (creates) bad - the translation "evil" is not a good word as it implies GOD creates evil. Stop trying to twist scripture R" I am quoting Jeff Benner, he says RA cannot mean evil, but dysfunction.
RP"I like a video of Albert Einstein presumably on this D" He is not a Christian – why post from outside source – isn’t the Torah enough R" Who says Einstein was not a supporter of GOD? Dave does? Must you judge?
D"IT IS NOT HEBREW - the Hebrew word satan is not in the Gnostic John’s Book Revelation anywhere R" Really
Re 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
This verse tells you John wrote revelation in Hebrew, not Greek
The word Satanas is Greek, and does not exist in Hebrew. 4567. satanav Satanas, sat-an-as' Search for 4567 in KJV of Chaldee origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:--Satan. See Hebrew 04566 (ma`bad)
Job 34:25 Therefore he knoweth <nakar> their works <ma`bad>, and he overturneth <haphak> them in the night <layil>, so that they are destroyed <daka'>
You can ask scholars about this idea? Why doesn't the Greek use the Hebrew word "hey-satan" correctly?
Show me a link of a study of this? I suspect the Greek word satanas is supposed to be the Hebrew word satan. Show me a link on this study and view you suggest.
Shalom
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