Rosemary Guiley

[Dave]

Nov 9, 2021 14:18:46 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Look forward to a video that supports your view.

POINT – The Beast, the serpent race, devils, satanas are cast into all the WORLD – everywhere
POINT – YHWY introduces Himself personally only to the 1% - the rest of the WORLD (the 99%) is left for the Beast, serpent race, devils, satanas
POINT – because of the Roman Edit – all references to the archon (1st Century Greek) has been limited or labeled as heresy
Question: what is Gnostic – Answer: whatever Rome labels it as
POINT - Rosemary Guiley – because of the Roman Edit – the surviving information is overwhelmingly from outside Rome’s reach

POINT – the Djinn pre-dates Islam
POINT – the Djinn were written about by King Solomon – he called them (Hebrew shedim)
YES – the story of the Djinn survive outside of Western Roman Christendom
YES – there is an entire chapter with the Koran all about them - POINT – the Djinn pre-date islam
POINT - The agl authors called them archon 600 years before Islam

Rosemary Guiley is respectable – she is an academic like myself
She just presents the facts
YES – most of her facts come from Islamic sources – but it all pre-dates Islam
YES – most of her facts come from Islam – does she sound Muslim to you?

David Ike – “some people call them demonic – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn” – (1st century Greek) calls them archon – King Solomon called them shedim – many in the 99% called them gods – the god-less call them aliens (they are from the outside)


youtu.be/3pqS51rIzqA
Shadow People, Shapeshifters, Fairies & Djinn Revealed with Rosemary Guiley
Oct 5, 2015

1:30 - ROMAN EDIT – not part of the Roam Christendom culture by Edit
1:50 – shadow people led her to Jinn
2:50 – the Jinn are involved is all the extraordinary / unexplained occurrences
3:45 – what are the Jinn – they are a race of beings – who were here first until Adam came along -
4:00 – they had a fall from grace sort of – a Catholic reference
4:15 – just because the stories about them come from the Middle East doesn’t make them Middle Eastern – they are everywhere – all throughout the 99%

4:50 – They exist in another dimension / heaven
There are 10 D Science– 10 Heavens Enoch/Paul
God and His throne is in the 7th Heaven (Jewish) – man is in the lower world
Catholic – the Principalities live in the realm just beyond my view
David Ike – just beyond our field of vision
Gnostic mutli-dimensionaslity – we are 3D – perhaps they are 4D – while God’s throne is way up in 10D
Intra-dimensional visitation

5:15 = not all bad – not all good
Baboons are not all bad or all good – they are as they are
Definition – good jinn/archon are WISH GRANTERS = yester ra satisfiers

5:55 – our fear and dread – what is their purpose
Her answer = multi-purposed = correct answer
My 2 pennies – what is fear/dread of the archon/jinn/demons is as instinctive as alligators and sharks
Gen 3:15 – just how many girls like snakes / reptiles

7:30 – do they feed on our fear? – unknown
But they are always involved with abductions Gen 6 to UFOs today
7:45 - Jacques Valley reference – Do you know the reference
Passageway to Magnolia – UFOs = intra-dimensional visitations

7:45 – are these things a manifestation of our own Freudian ID?
Or – is what we see just interpreted in the common understanding of the times
Perceptions

8:25 – core characteristics = commonality

Deals with humans/governments – agreements – shadow governments
Integrations into our society – the undercover elite – 13 Families

11:15 – deals for special favors
Roger Mornou – Entertainment people getting ahead with ‘help’
Hollywood selling their souls for fame – I believe it
Men selling themselves for power – YES

11:20 – Arab Spring – the archon/Jinn are very active today
12:20 = it happens to families over generation – just like alien visitations/abductions
13:00 – owning a bloodline = the 13 families
13:30 – pagan rituals and sacrifices are still happening today
David Ike – people say ancient pagan rituals and sacrifices – they never do that = wrong you would never do that – the 13 Families di it all the time – they just call it politics and war


Alex Jones asks David Gergen about Bohemian Grove Rituals
Dec 4, 2006

15:15 – the question of possession – yes possible but extreme
They can but it is usually more subtle – a whisper / a suggestion – influence
17:10 - DEPRESSION God love me – died for me – I am so blessed – how can I be depressed – asking as a manic depressive – it speaks to me

18:00 – magic in our society – symbols – a growing awareness
19:35 – artist felling as if they were ‘downloaded’ with information

Step back to the 1970s and 80s – satanic messaging in rock and roll music
1- Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin) paid an outrageous amount of money so people would move out of an apartment in London just so he could live where Allister Crowley once lived
2- He admits – the song ‘Stairway to Heaven’ came to him as an inspiration – wrote the whole song in 20 minutes
3- This is absolutely the #1 song to be played backwards – it says ‘satan is lord’ – ‘praise Beelzebub’
4- I have ruined a record and needle trying it myself

20:00 – today people are too educated to believe in magic (or church religion) – but it is very real
Science is just another way to examine reality
20:20 – consciences is separate than biology

24:20 – we will evolve to be more like them – SORRY WRONG
24:30 – the merging of our consciousness with the global consciousness – Sorry Wrong
It is our spirit in communion with the HS
24:40 – the flowering of consciousness – being Born Again of Spirit
Will we evolve and our consciousness grows so large that our bodies have to change?
1- no such thing as evolution
2- YES – we will awaken to the spiritual reality (some before death) all at death
3- is our death the end – NO – our bodies will change
25:00 – our future abilities – blah blah blah

26:00 – Question do the Jinn = Enoch’s Watchers
Her answers – I see some parallels there
Her answer = NO COMMITTAL – BUT we must go back and re-examine the evidence for what it is
27:00 – you can make a very good case that the Jinn are the Watchers of Enoch
27:50 – you can make a very good case they are the archon – or the Annunaki
28:15 – you can make a case for them being the Reptilians

She says she can see them – a lot
Do I believe her? –I do not doubt her

She also studied and taught spiritual healing – and died of cancer at age 69
Hard not to be human

[Dave]

Nov 13, 2021 15:15:30 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Show me a video that supports your view,
You are having trouble even showing me one video. And when I go looking for videos on Gnostic things, they are way too weird to even relate to Christian views of the Bible, and you agree with this idea.
So where is your video. I will watch
R" I have been fair with you Dave, I evaluated your videos.

Still Waiting

And as you review these ACADEMIC presentations I waznt you to pay close attention to how much time they spend dissagreeing with science or religion

While Don Patton and Walter Veith build their entire presentation on an attack - a criticism of others

Nov 13, 2021 20:41:34 GMT -5 Dave said:

So what do you do when science does not agree with your religion?
Does creationism engage in the discussion – do they attempt to educate – to validate
NO – they ask you to take sides – and posture
Divide and conquor - very Christian

[Dave]

Nov 15, 2021 4:47:07 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Regarding the RoseMary discussion with Shawn. Very nice indeed, and some support of your view.
Possibly the best video supporting your view.

First the facts as I recorded them
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Rosemary
Shadow People, Shapeshifters, Fairies & Djinn Revealed with Rosemary Guiley
Oct 5, 2015
oracle and hypnotist. Talks about Jinn.

Jinn had a fall from grace, from God, 4:30; special beings everywhere, lost out to us, Jinn get pushed into another dimensions, caves, etc. Human have interactions with Jinn, most a hostile but not all hostile, they have a grudge, and want payback.

They feed on our fear energies, and get this from us.

The labels change, now we have aliens from outer space, they shape shift. 9:27
They influence the elite , govern governments etc. Jinn are hidden forces. To their advantage to have humans have blood shed. Jinns are very good deal makers, but the price is high.

Grandparents have a mason, and so the Jinn get involved. Jinn follow families for many generations, like a recent deal. Consulting the spirit world, for gain. It does work, and we choose to ignore it.
Subtle prey, feed on your choice, subtle energies, harvest people's fear, depression, happy people are shielded from them, drugged people are easier to latch on. 18:08

Science say magic doesn't work, people are aware of Illuminati, satanic symbols, is there a relationship?
Might well be, creative ideas from, develop with spiritual plane. They are very powerful forces. 19:41
Drugs and alcohol breaks open barriers. People see magic as primitive, but does work. More people see coming over into science for projections,

Jinn have no known form, they shape shift. 22:20
Entity might come back if expelled.

We are going to evolve, like on their abilities...ascension, supermind, flowering of consciousness. Body will change, with different abilities. Telepathy, global mind. 25:37
Rosemary does mention, archons, snake form, Jinn hiding in mouth of serpent, causing the fall of Adam and Eve.

29:03
As us angels and humans, evidence for other beings.
Jinn hide in plain sight,
I have encountered Jinn, usually shadow person form. Study them, and research them. People like me get pestered from time to time.
I see them in an awakened state.

I come from occult family, so I was growing up with this curiosity?
As I got older, so took a lot of training, classic training, clairvoyant, paranormal, longer you are in it,
Seen them as night time visitors or daytime.
Impressed on the mental screen.

Have deal of respect for the Jinn. 34:48

Messages in our music to play to our consciousness. Music is not good for the body.
Video games to be distracted. Addiction. Technology is hindering us.
We are possibly influenced by these entities. Not their fault, our choices our own sovereignty.
They look for opportunities, satan in the OT looked for people to test, not just a big S opposer of God

Rob's summary

1) Your support comes from a person who is a hypnotist, occult researcher and classic training, clairvoyant, paranormal trained. Not somebody who is a Christian, Bible researcher or spend time researching faith in God. 

2) She speaks of other creatures apart from humans and angels, calls them archons, Jinns, or other creatures who play havoc on humans, testing them. She alluded to small s satan who tested people as an adversary. Not a big S Satan opposing God.

3) She mentions these creatures fell from grace, from God. 

4) Not much is said of their origin and details are lacking. 

5) She supports your view, a Gnostic view, but lacking details, in the view of Gnosticism.

Now do you have any other videos of Rosemary where she clearly details the origins of these creatures, where they come from and why they fell from grace?

Shalom

[Dave]

Rob's summary
3) She mentions these creatures fell from grace, from God
Is all you take away from her presentation?

1) Your support comes from a person who is a hypnotist, occult researcher and classic training, clairvoyant, paranormal trained. Not somebody who is a Christian, Bible researcher or spend time researching faith in God.

Nov 9, 2021 20:08:09 GMT -5 Dave said:

POINT – because of the Roman Edit – all references to the archon (1st Century Greek) has been limited or labeled as heresy
Question: what is Gnostic – Answer: whatever Rome labels it as
POINT - Rosemary Guiley – because of the Roman Edit – the surviving information is overwhelmingly from outside Rome’s reach

POINT – the Djinn pre-dates Islam
POINT – the Djinn were written about by King Solomon – he called them (Hebrew shedim)
YES – the story of the Djinn survive outside of Western Roman Christendom
YES – there is an entire chapter with the Koran all about them - POINT – the Djinn pre-date islam
POINT - The agl authors called them archon 600 years before Islam

This is your style – attack the presenter – this is also the delivery style of Don Patton and Walter Veith
Instead of discussing the material – you must attack the source first

Not somebody who is a Christian – how can you judge such a thing Robert?
All I know is that she died in Christian care - Evergreen Hospice and Visiting Angels of Seattle, Washington

Her books include:
Angels of Mercy. Pocket Books, 1994.
The Miracle of Prayer: True Stories of Blessed Healings. Pocket Books, 1995
Blessings: Prayers for the Home and Family. Pocket Books, 1996.
Prayer Works: True Stories of Answered Prayer. Unity School of Christianity, 1999.
The Encyclopedia of Saints. Infobase Publishing, 2001

Not somebody who is a Bible researcher – sure

Not somebody who is a Christian or spend time researching faith in God.
How do you know this – Mr. Christian righteous judgement person
Not somebody who is a Christian

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Your SDA church sure teaches a strange Christianity – why aren’t the very words of Jesus Christ important to you – Don Patton – or Walter Veith
All of you spend most of your presentation attacking others

2) She speaks of other creatures apart from humans and angels, calls them archons, Jinns, or other creatures who play havoc on humans, testing them. She alluded to small s satan who tested people as an adversary. Not a big S Satan opposing God.
Of course she does – because they are satanas , the serpent race, the devils, of the BEAST of Revelations
Correct – this group has nothing to do with Hebrew satan who is an angel of the Lord

3) She mentions these creatures fell from grace, from God.
Confused - Is it wrong to include Bible research which you claim she has none

03:48- she says the Jinn are a RACE OF BEINGS – who preceded us on the planet – in fact they had dominion over the planet – there are several creation stories about them – but all the stories point to them having ruler-ship over the planet
04:00 – THEY HAD A FALL FROM GRACE –so to speak – DEPENDING on your point of view (religion)

3) She mentions these creatures fell from grace, from God.
Does she - or does she just acknowledge that you opinion exist?
Is it wrong of her to acknowleged the Catolic opinion?
If she left it out - just how academically honest would she be
Why is the concept of honesty so forgien to you and the way you present information?

The difference is = she is not preaching, she is not pushing an adgemda - she is an academic - she is only presenting the data as she found it.

5) She supports your view, a Gnostic view, but lacking details, in the view of Gnosticism.
Now do you have any other videos of Rosemary where she clearly details why they fell from grace?
I doubt she ever presents Catholic doctrine as fact anytime

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Why are you bagging me Dave? I am not attacking Rosemary's video, I think she does an excellent job of supporting your view.

I mentioned more video support of certain details to ascertain where her support lies, but you seem to think I am bagging her already, (D"All of you spend most of your presentation attacking others) ; which I am not. I give you both the benefit of the doubt.

So present more details of her views (and your views) as I suggested:

Now do you have any other videos of Rosemary where she clearly details why they fell from grace? Assuming she supports this idea, ie falling from grace?

More details of her speaking of the Archons as Jinn, and how these creatures came to be.

03:48- she says the Jinn are a RACE OF BEINGS – who preceded us on the planet

Great, more details on this too please.

D"Her books include:
Angels of Mercy. Pocket Books, 1994.
The Miracle of Prayer: True Stories of Blessed Healings. Pocket Books, 1995
Blessings: Prayers for the Home and Family. Pocket Books, 1996.
Prayer Works: True Stories of Answered Prayer. Unity School of Christianity, 1999.
The Encyclopedia of Saints. Infobase Publishing, 2001

R" wow. she wrote these books? Sorry to offend, she sounds really nice.

Is there any way I can read some of her pages of prayer, this has me very excited indeed.


RP" Your support comes from a person who is a hypnotist, occult researcher and classic training, clairvoyant, paranormal trained. Not somebody who is a Christian, Bible researcher or spend time researching faith in God.

R" Obviously Shawn led me astray, the speaker for Rosemary.

I will research some of her videos too, and get back to you.

And please get from this post, I have not attacked your view, or Rosemary's support of your view. I will wait until I get all the details of your view in the public arena.

SHalom

[Dave]

Why are you bagging me Dave? I am not attacking Rosemary's video, I think she does an excellent job of supporting your view.
but you seem to think I am bagging her already- which I am not.

Your first comment
1) Your support comes from a person who is a hypnotist, occult researcher and classic training, clairvoyant, paranormal trained. Not somebody who is a Christian, Bible researcher or spend time researching faith in God.

I mentioned more video support of certain details to ascertain where her support lies,
To me – it does not matter if she is from Mars – as an academic she is just presenting historical records
She – has taken 25 other books you have never heard of and reduced them into their MEAN
She has weeded through many stories there are obviously 3sd fairy tales and exaggerations
She has weeded through much data to identify the 2sd translation biases and errors
To reduce the information into its common theme – its central theology – its MEAN evidence
(you told me this process is error – because it is a scientific method)

She is a scientist presenting the data she has found
Is she a Christian? Or Jewish? – Probably not Muslim because of dress and vocabulary
She doesn’t say – because it would only hurt her book sales

So present more details of her views (and your views) as I suggested:

Nov 9, 2021 20:08:09 GMT -5 Dave said:

POINT – because of the Roman Edit – all references to the archon (1st Century Greek) has been limited or labeled as heresy
Question: what is Gnostic – Answer: whatever Rome labels it as
POINT - Rosemary Guiley – because of the Roman Edit – the surviving information is overwhelmingly from outside Rome’s reach

POINT – the Djinn pre-dates Islam
POINT – the Djinn were written about by King Solomon – he called them (Hebrew shedim)
YES – the story of the Djinn survive outside of Western Roman Christendom
YES – there is an entire chapter with the Koran all about them - POINT – the Djinn pre-date islam
POINT - The agl authors called them archon 600 years before Islam

Now do you have any other videos of Rosemary where she clearly details why they fell from grace? Assuming she supports this idea, ie falling from grace?

There is no such thing as evolution
God created each and every species and they reproduce only after their own species – period!
God created the sharks as they are and has they have always been
God created the angels as they are and as they have always been
God created man is he is and has he has always been

AND GOD CREATED THE SERPENT RACE – THEY ARE AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Job 12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

Isa 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep,

More details of her speaking of the Archons as Jinn, and how these creatures came to be.
03:48- she says the Jinn are a RACE OF BEINGS – who preceded us on the planet

R" wow. she wrote these books? Sorry to offend, she sounds really nice.
R" Obviously Shawn led me astray, the speaker for Rosemary.
NO – he introduced her correctly

I will research some of her videos too, and get back to you.
Your choice – As a Gnostic Christian I prefer the Christian approach – L. A. Marzulli

David Ike’s video – that I recommend – gives exactly the same information and is more currently relevant

Yes – he calls them fallen angels – because he is of a Roman Christendom background
Rosemary calls them Jinn
David Ike – some people call them demonic – some call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn
The agl authors call them Archon (1st Century Greek)
King Solomon called them shedim
Pagans call them gods
Godless call them aliens

Names do not matter – they are all the same entity –

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

THE WHOLE WORLD – all of the 99%