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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2021 10:42:22 GMT -5
DAVID ICKE - THE ARCHONS2:12 - they are energy – but they can take 3D form Just another way to say they are spirit beings that can take on 3D form 2:27 - THANK YOU - Respect – he makes a distinction between pre Christian Gnostics and Christian Gnostics Our senses only show us 3D, not other higher consciousness.“Just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human, who have been manipulating our WORLD from the outside for eons.” Our reality is hijacked by archons, different names of the same force.Absolutely – the name does not matter – some people call them demonic – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn – Enoch calls them Watchers (a function) – 1st Century Greeks call them archon – pagans call them gods – godless call the aliens (they are from the outside)serpent gods, children of serpent, star people, demons of Christians, archons to the Gnositics, also called Jin to Mulsems, different names of the same thing. POINT - DO NOT FORGET – Judeo-Christianity is a product of the 1% - its story is very streamlined The REALITY of the ARCHON – is a composite story from the 99% - from many different nations, times, ages, languages, some very bazar – some extreme – yet all of it points to the Reality of the Archon God / creation / scripture is a global thing – the whole world – not just the 1% Baal, Molech, Dogon, Chermush + 29 more all named within the ahl – they all have stories of their own As History spread – so did they – Greece, Rome, Cathage, Scandinavia, Europe, South America, America – even Australia archons, different names of the same force. Archon are made from illumious fireNot according to the agl – the Beast just appeared in a plurality Not according to the Nag Hammadi – the HS made the First Archin with some matter and it was ugke and only though of SELF – She then hide him away in a cloud of smoke and fire (choshek) Islam says – angels made of ‘light’ the Jinn made of ‘fire’ – man of ‘dust’ Nag Hammadi library, near luxor, sealed jar with lots of documentsYES – just a Library of pre 250 AD Egyptian Christians 3 of the document specifically say – hide it away for the generation of the end of days Found 1945, Dead Sea Scrolls 947, Israel 1948 Gnostics, different view of reality than Christian religionDifferent than Roman religion – The Nag Hammadi Christian were all Pentecostal Christians If you are led by the SPIRIT – what do you need a church building for? If we are all called to preach – what do we need a priest for? The Goodmen – Cathars of 12th century France – would not bow to Rome – they only bow to Christ Rome – forces dependency upon the church – so the church can control the population for Rome The Roman Church is a government – with a common enemy to rally the people – satanRan the Alexander library, destroyed by Roman church. 4:07ROMAN EDIT – ROMAN THOUGHT POLICEGnostic was dangerous, so Rome destroyed the scrollsYes – Christians led by the Spirit are outside of Rome’s control 1/5 of text about force called archonsThe Nag Hammadi is a Library 47 text all together – of them I have focused upon 20 titles because of authorship – John, James, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas and some because of similar theme 5 of the text are very sethian – not Christian Of the text I study – all of them speak of the archon – directly or indirectly created our physical universe, equated with god. archon mean principle ruler from beginningPOINT – DO NOT FORGET – ROUGH TRANSLATIONThanks to Rome we do not have other text to compare these against to polish them It is written in Coptic Greek - I thought of learning but it is taught in Arabic on the internet Archon can mean God – of course – it can mean angel – it can mean demon – it can mean whatever Did the archon create man – Yes God did Did the Serpent race rchon create anything – Enoch + Nag Hammadi says God gave out many assignments tending creation demerige fake god, Demiurge means = Craftsman / Artisan - no more no less – it is a titleWas God a Craftsman or Artisan in creation – ABSOLUTELY? Was this Craftsman or Artisan an Archon – Absolutely Be aware of the word games - 6:00 – They have no conscious – they have no imagination – they can imitate not innovate 6:30 – They cannot create – but once something exist they can twist it and manipulate it YES – Entropy – wear it down – it tires6:45 – they can create illusions YES – they can man you see what they want you to see Appear / disappear – UFO Intra-Dimensional visitations Now you see a reptilian – then changes into a man in a suit then changes into an alien from planet X Now I am a black cat – now I am a bat – now I am a shadow person mind parasites, deceptionProjected hypnosis – it is our senses they dull 7:00 – they are the deceiverWho else claims this title RobertRev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks lies he is just being himself—for he is a liar and the father of lies. Who else claims this title RobertAllah, the Best Deceiver (Qur'an 3:54) - WikiIslamhttps://wikiislam.net › wiki › Allah,_the_Best_Deceiver... Jun 6, 2021 — The Qur'an openly states many times that Allah is the 'best deceiver'. The Arabic word used here is "ماكر" "maakir", coming from the root ... Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them Allhttp://64.71.77.248 › answering_islam › shamoun › all... The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. Why does Quran say 'Allah is the best deceiver'? Why would ...https://www.quora.com › Why-does-Quran-say-Allah-is-t... Aug 13, 2017 — Allah is the Great Deceiver (Qur'an 3:54) : And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers. evil is "live" written backwards.YES – Entropy is the opposite of creation force is inversion of life, it and anything attached to it, is obsessed with death death cult, is what about destroying and killing, natural order is about life and abundance archon is about destoying life, that is their world...one of death,,, no creative imagination This is a little morbid – but yes – they promote entropy – they stress the WORLDYou let 10 Baboon loose in your house – and go away When you come home your house is destroyed in ways you did know was possible Are the baboon EVIL? – they sure cause a lot of ra Answer – not evil - just stupid animals doing what they do but smart enough to tear apart everything 10:00 – he again is speaking to the 13 families that rule the WORLD .... no empathy, no ability of feeling, no limit to what you will do YES – George Sores and the Rockefellers treat humanity like cattle to be herdedparasite of the mind, banking is an exercise in parasites... pathological liars, - his reference is to world leadersThe Bilderberg Group! – Bohemian Grove – the sacrifice of care Google - alex jones cremation of care bohemian grove Gnostic used the word "simulation" virtual realityThe Treatise on the ResurrectionLet us think in this way! Let us comprehend in this way!
But there are some (who) wish to understand, in the enquiry about those things they are looking into, whether he who is saved, if he leaves his body behind, will be saved immediately. Let no one doubt concerning this. [...]. indeed, the visible members which are dead shall not be saved, for (only) the living members which exist within them would arise.
What, then, is the resurrection? It is always the disclosure of those who have risen. For if you remember reading in the Gospel that Elijah appeared and Moses with him, do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth! Indeed, it is more fitting to say the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ. Is Reality an Illusion? At the World Science Festival, Experts ...https://zuckermaninstitute.columbia.edu › reality-illusio... Jun 6, 2019 — Whether reality is indeed an illusion perpetuated by our brains, as Dr. Hoffman proposed, remains to be seen. But the reality that we ... Whatever You Think as Reality is Actually an Illusion - Mediumhttps://medium.com › the-ascent › whatever-you-think-... Nov 6, 2020 — “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” — Albert Einstein. The visual cortex makes up to 30% of your brain. But the sense ... Physicists Are Starting to Suspect Physical Reality Is an Illusionfuturism.com › the-byte › physicists-suspect-reali... According to scientist and philosopher Bernardo Kastrup, some physicists are starting to suspect that matter and reality are complex illusions. The scientific proof everything is energy and reality isn't realhackspirit.com › illusion-reality-scientific-proof-... Jan 19, 2018 — Photo of light energy-reality is an illusion. ... Quantum physicists are discovering facts about the world that we would never have thought to be ... Make something appear to happen. programming our perception, made house, an inversion of the natural order.LOOK 9/11 some terrorist in a cave in Afghanistan bombed the World Trade Center So the Western Collation must attack Iraq disconnect the human mind from the oceanThe Hypostasis of the ArchonsMoreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.Hacking the MatrixDo you know the movies – Do you understand his reference?dealing with infromation, decode into a lovely world. replace the old reality, tune humans into that bad copy. Is our world simply an illusion? – A Holographic projection of non-thing energy Hacking the Matrix is a very secular way of phrasing it 14:30 – he says – POINT – the goal“we think our reality is only what we can see – only what we can perceive (WORLD) But there is a different reality that we can choose – can tune into to (SPIRITUAL) Rob comments" How much of David Icke do you support here? I enjoy him very much – but he just cannot bring himself to say GodSo he deliberately goes out of his way not to offend – those who say God Part of it is – staying true to his origin – be began his experience not with a shadow person but with a Reptilian Humanoid that shape shifted Part of it is his audience base – who are all conspiracy believers – ufo believer’s – just not church believers On his overall presentation of all his videos 8 out of 10 This video’s message 9? out of 10 This video‘s presentation of the Nag Hammadi? 5 out of 10 Our difference is the way we read text – if you take all of the Nag Hammadi as Gospel in English – you are an idiot If you say my translation is better than your translation – you are an idiot and do not understand translationIt is a rough translation – don’t make it something it is not It exist in only 3 forms – the Davies translation is very satanic – and is a stand alone I have always made this same pointIt is weighted – some of it quotes the agl – that is OK of course Some of it seems strange – unclear – and inconsistent with the ahl or agl – those parts are weighted less Is Enoch Gospel – NO it is respected – it is weighted higher than fiction Is King Solomon Gospel – NO – it is respected and weighted higher than fiction Those part that are unclear – are they error – contradictory – bad translation – or I just don’t understand what it says - or the translator didn’t grasp what he was translating – all possible varibles Without other translations for comparison (Thank You Rome) – all we have is what we have It is a glimpse into the Messianic Jewish Mind of the First Christians – BEFORE ROMENone of it talks of church organization or church leadership All of it speaks to becoming spirit filled Pentecostal Christians
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 14:18:46 GMT -5
OK nice presentation Dave, good answers from you. So you sort of like David Icke video and his presentations, so of. OK 1) Do you have a video that is closer to the truth I am wanting? Maybe like David Icke 2) explains the origin of archons using Bible as a authority. 3) NOT uses the fallen angel idea, but only the archons as messengers, not cherub4) explain the spirit thing and why do the spirits need to invade biological bodies5) why would Rome destroy the The Nag Hammadi Library? ( I think this thinking is off track ?) I present my biggest defense to your view on this:- Da 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. R" This is understood in SDA world as Greece breaks up into four kingdoms when Alexander dies. Da 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. R" This is understood in SDA world as Rome, West of pleasant land (zion) north of the south (egypt) and west of the east (Asia). 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. {to the host: or, against the host} R" This is understood in SDA world as Rome divides into two legs, one in Rome, one in Constantinople. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. {to: or, against} {by him: or, from him} R" This is understood in SDA world as Constantinople Leg of Rome become Papal Rome, both legs are re-united into Rome again, the little horn, destroys the saints of God. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. R" Roman Catholic system, "casts down the truth to the ground"; No allowed to read Bible. etc. Da 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? R" How long does Rome Catholic system rule in darkness (dark ages) ? Da 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. R" Answer 2,300 years, than the sanctuary (God's truth) is revealed, so beginning around this time, 17th to 18 century, God re-instates the truth of His sanctuary message, gospel, grace, etc, beginning with reformers, Luther, Huss, Calvin, Tyndale etc. My point is why is the The Nag Hammadi Library NOT considered a part of this reformation? D" The Hypostasis of the Archons Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.R" Nice quote Can I have a link, to read the whole of the "The Hypostasis of the Archons" to examine how inspired this scroll is as a whole, not just as parts, please? D" All of it speaks to becoming spirit filled Pentecostal ChristiansR" Are you saying the Pentecostal Christian is perhaps "the Gnostic Christian church" closest to God's truth? You know already I do not like glossolalia, hypnotic idea of demon tongue speaking talk? I have given you plenty of things to research and present (5 things) plus my biggest defense of my view, that Daniel 8 speaks of Antichrist ruling earth for 2,300 years before God re-instates his truth all over again. I would therefore except in this prophecy the rise of truth during the time of 17 to 18 century. Is there any evidence of our Reformer Fathers speaking along Gnostic lines? Sorry given you too many things to research on. Look forward to a video that supports your view. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2021 15:20:46 GMT -5
1) Do you have a video that is closer to the truth I am wanting? 4) explain the spirit thing and why do the spirits need to invade biological bodies YES Robert – you deny the spirit – so you have difficulties discussing the spiritual5) why would Rome destroy the The Nag Hammadi Library? ( I think this thinking is off track ?) You can defend your Roman authority all you want – but you cannot change historyin the roman empire (213 bce - 200 ce) - jstorhttps://www.jstor.org › stable by D Rohmann · 2013 · Cited by 13 — Banned books regularly attracted unusual attention. Book burning in the early Roman. Empire may often better be seen as an exceptional strategy with which. List of book-burning incidents - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › List_of_book-burning... Books on astrology (by Roman authorities)[edit]. In 409, the emperors Theodosius II and Honorius ordered that astrologers burn their books on pain of expulsion. Antiquity · Middle Ages · Early Modern Period (from... Censorship and Book-Burning in Imperial Rome and Egyptacademicworks.cuny.edu › cgi › viewcontentPDF by S Rahyab · 2020 — Consequently, removing a banned text from public libraries and marketplaces did not fully eradicate banned books. In treatments of censorship in ... A Brief History of Book Burning, From the Printing Press to ...https://www.smithsonianmag.com › history › brief-histo... Aug 31, 2017 — As long as there have been books, people have burned them—but over the ... In Livy's History of Rome, finished in the 1st century A.D., ... R" Answer 2,300 years, than the sanctuary (God's truth) is revealed, so beginning around this time, 17th to 18 century, God re-instates the truth of His sanctuary message, gospelCorrect – during the Great Awakening there were several cults that preached Christ return in the 1800s Miller 1834 – Russell and the JW say 1879My point is why is the The Nag Hammadi Library NOT considered a part of this reformation?How could a lbrary that was lost to the world until 1945 be apart of something that happened 200 years prior?D"All of it speaks to becoming spirit filled Pentecostal Christians R" Are you saying the Pentecostal Christian is perhaps "the Gnostic Christian church" closest to God's truth? You know already I do not like glossolalia, hypnotic idea of demon tongue speaking talk? You are so simple minded – sometimes it is impressiveYES Robert – you deny the spirit – so you have difficulties discussing the spiritual
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 14:34:03 GMT -5
OK Dave You have not supplied me with one video that explains your view with 90% accuracy. You claim David Icke is a little better at explaining your view...OK Let's test David Icke, a most difficult fella to get his words So Rob tries to do your research for you, to find a video about your view:- Sumerian texts youtu.be/lNpFLgosBHY
Planet X - Fallen Angels
sons of the gods, came to have sex with men
gods flying in flying machines, UFO's etc. davidicke.com/2020/02/07/story-fallen-angel/From David Icke website, he uses the term fallen angels. Doesn't support Dave's view. But I find David Icke does not use the term "fallen angels" here, only others do. youtu.be/LJEqxs9GZskreptilian snake demons fallen angels and david icke
blood line control human, anything but human entities anything but human.
they are bred to be vehicles of these entities, different names, serpent race, demons, Jin, etc they hold a genetic code allows these entities to possess entities, vehicles for these entities these gods are entities that feed on blood, etc.
"demon entities" for want of a word. 5:00Rob " No luck tracking down David Icke's words forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/20976-fallen-angels-attacked-twin-towers-and-pentagon/Watch this video, HarIGWEBIKEMegiddo He speaks of fallen angels imploding the twin towers. Interesting video... Rob searches "fallen angels" in David Icke's Social Forum 1) Origins of our reality/Archontic Matrix PH196 posted a topic in Religion & Secret Societies
...namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist. Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God and who is the enemy of our souls,
2) Where is Dudael ? alexa posted a topic in Religion & Secret Societies
Actually the answer is pretty surprising. For those of you who don’t know, Dudael was the place ( apparently on Earth) that the Angel Azazel was imprisoned by the Powers of Heaven making him a scapegoat to be an example to the Fallen Angels. The only description Enoch gives us of Dudael
3) Posted November 5 On 11/5/2021 at 12:07 AM, Truthspoon said: Reptilians....Niburu... no-one takes that stuff seriously anymore. Not even Icke.
I don't know about Nibiru, but David Icke still believes in and is still making claims about the Reptilian agenda. In the Dot-Connector videocast that skitzorat posted, which is only about 2 weeks old, David Icke repeats his claim that other dimensional Reptilians are behind the global elite, and that they have their origins with the biblical Fallen Angels, who interbred with humans and created the Anunnaki, and the bloodline of the ruling elite. He talks about this in great detail from about 12 minutes in the video: www.bitchute.com/video/VoltHTMjIb3m/race of reptilian humanoids behind current events... taking of this over three decades feb 2020, so fast, got reptilian treatment, "your mad" ? I have researched it over endless countries, evidence shows me it is true. greys are also in this reptile story you can't see very much, that's the point humans are blind to wider reality, because we can only sense light, 0.005% of the electromagnetic spectrum, so our senses are very, very limited. so when an entity enters the frequency band of humans, we can see it. if outside the senses, we can't see it. they manipulate from the shadows their agenda upon humanity network cult secret societies the spider the spider is not human, reptilian entities people see shapeshifiting, from reptiles to human forms. hidden force manipulating people, force described in reptile form called in old texts as gods, Zulul sharmen, in South Africa, describe zulul law, reptile race, children of the serpent. in 1990's Asia, reptile theme there too what were these ancient gods? these were the sons of the gods, in Bible term, terms fallen angels used as a term for these fallen entities too.
14:35 "I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too.
interbreeding hybrid blood lines, hold a code, at 14:53 we hear " royality"So finally at last, listening to David Icke, He states the lines of words I want to hear, to show you that David Icke does not support Dave's view at all. So Dave, I have come to the conclusion, you cannot show me a single video that explains your view. David Icke is simply describing my view, that fallen angels have come down to earth to deceive humans into sinning. Sure not all of David's Icke's video is true to me also, but he supports my view, MORE than he supports your view. I cannot find any credible source of the archons as Gnostic forces created by Sophia bent on causing entrophy to humans, as part of God's creative act for humans using free will to choose God and be saved by God. And all your view must insist these forces are NOT fallen angels, So Dave, the challenge is over to you, where is your video evidence? You haven't shown me any. I repeat the words of David Icke 14:35 "I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too". So you using David Icke to support your view, is FALSE. He is supporting my view, more than he is supporting your view. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 10, 2021 23:04:37 GMT -5
You have not supplied me with one video that explains your view with 90% accuracy. Academic honesty – why do you need to misrepresent and lie to make your point?the only video I made a 9 of 10 references was the video you suggested Why wasn’t he 10 for 10 – because he will not say GodYou claim David Icke is a little better at explaining your view...OKAcademic honesty – why do you need to misrepresent and lie to make your point?Please quote meDavid Ike presents David Ike’s view - DUH Let's test David Icke, a most difficult fella to get his words So Rob tries to do your research for you, to find a video about your view:-Instead of reviewing the David Ike video I presented to you – you go and review several other videos by him Academic honestySumerian texts youtu.be/lNpFLgosBHY Why should I watch this or comment on it – you will not comment on my suggested videos. Instead of commenting on my suggested videos – you review different videos sons of the gods, came to have sex with men bene elohiyn – Gen 6gods flying in flying machines, UFO's etc. YEP – very much Atlantis – that sank beneath the waves YEP – 100% Hindu Vedic text YEP – 100% ancient astronautsdavidicke.com/2020/02/07/story-fallen-angel/ From David Icke website, he uses the term fallen angels. I quote him – “Fallen Angels have become a very robust topic recently and they seem to be portrayed as entities that are evil and returning to wreak havoc on mankind. I have seen many stories that portray these fallen angels as demonic, locked up entities that are just waiting to be released after their eternal damnation for their decision to become mortals or humans. As I researched fallen angels, I discovered that many of the major religions have their own spin on these entities and most of them describe them as evil. The interesting thing about the very term in question, fallen angels, is that the bible does not actually use this phrase to describe these entities. Essentially, they are described as those that have fallen, the fallen ones, the watchers, and the list goes on. Although these entities are talked about throughout the scriptures, these entities are discussed in much more detail in the books of Enoch, for which most bibles only have a few of the chapters included. T he main premise behind the documented details in Enoch are that angelic beings decided to incarnate in order to enjoy the lustful desires of the humans for which they watched over. According to the writings of Enoch the following outlines the rise and demise of these angels.”Just where does he speak of Exk 28 and an angel that hates and opposes God? Please quote that section – I sure didn’t see itDoesn't support Dave's view. But I find David Icke does not use the term "fallen angels" here, only others do.David Ike – “some people call them demonic (that would be Catholic) – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn” – (1st century Greek) calls them archon – King Solomon called them shedim – many in the 99% called them gods – the god-less call them aliens (they are from the outside) Names do not matter – all the same entities – T he Beast, the serpent race, devils, and satanasyoutu.be/LJEqxs9GZsk reptilian snake demons fallen angels and david icke David Ike – “some people call them demonic (that would be Catholic) – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn” – (1st century Greek) calls them archon – King Solomon called them shedim – many in the 99% called them gods – the god-less call them aliens (they are from the outside) Names do not matter – all the same entities – The Beast, the serpent race, devils, and satanas
blood line control human, anything but human entities anything but human. YEP – the bane elohiym of Gen 6 are not men – not Sethian They were archon/principalities/shedim/demons/ Jinn/shades/ spooks/ Bogy manthey are bred to be vehicles of these entities, different names, serpent race, demons, Jin, etc they hold a genetic code allows these entities to possess entities, vehicles for these entities these gods are entities that feed on blood, etc. anything but human - entities anything but human"demon entities" for want of a word. 5:00for want of a word = David Ike – “some people call them demonic (that would be Catholic) – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them Jinn” – (1st century Greek) calls them archon – King Solomon called them shedim – many in the 99% called them gods – the god-less call them aliens (they are from the outside) Names do not matter – all the same entities – The Beast, the serpent race, devils, and satanasforum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/20976-fallen-angels-attacked-twin-towers-and-pentagon/ Watch this video, - you refuse to comment on my suggested video – but keep posting others for me to watch www.bitchute.com/video/VoltHTMjIb3m/race of reptilian humanoids behind current events... – a race of Reptilian humanoidstaking of this over three decades feb 2020, so fast, got reptilian treatment, "your mad" ? I have researched it over endless countries, evidence shows me it is true. greys are also in this reptile story – UFOs Aliens - Reptaliansyou can't see very much, that's the point humans are blind to wider reality, because we can only sense light, 0.005% of the electromagnetic spectrum, so our senses are very, very limited. so when an entity enters the frequency band of humans, we can see it. if outside the senses, we can't see it. – some are more open / more sensitive / clairvoyantthey manipulate from the shadows their agenda upon humanity network cult secret societies the spider the spider is not human, reptilian entities - reptilian entitiespeople see shapeshifiting, from reptiles to human forms. – yes hidden force manipulating people, force described in reptile form called in old texts as gods, - yes the ‘other gods’ of the 99%Zulul sharmen, in South Africa, describe zulul law, reptile race, children of the serpent. in 1990's Asia, reptile theme there too – yes the whole world – all of the 100%what were these ancient gods? these were the sons of the gods, in Bible term, terms fallen angels used as a term for these fallen entities too. – one of many names – does this prove Ezk 28?14:35 "I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too.interbreeding hybrid blood lines, hold a code, - YES – demi-godsat 14:53 we hear " royality" – Yes RephiemI repeat the words of David Icke 14:35 "I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too".Robert’s WORD GAMEIf David Ike supports your view – why haven’t you spoke of:a race of Reptilian humanoids UFOs Aliens – Reptilians some people are more open / more sensitive / clairvoyant shapeshifting, reptilian entities the ‘other gods’ of the 99% The spirits/demons/gods of the 100% interbreeding hybrid blood lines, – demi-gods - Rephiem royalty Instead all you speak of is cherub chata - hates God - opposes God - Catholic satan the god of evil and you have two words taken out of context to prove itDave You have not supplied me with one video that explains your view Why don’t you bother to review a video I actually suggest?ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/393/gnostic-sermon-all-point-creator?page=1&scrollTo=2608A Gnostic Sermon - all things point to the CreatorPlease watch this video – I gain strength from it as a Gnostic Christian You will never hear a better secular explanation of why the unseen world is real and alive. … I use this video to witness to the non-believer. David Ike covers so much ground that it speaks truth to most people somewhere along the way. This guy sounds just like me! Or I sound like Him. As you watch, Ponder that everything he says here is all about the Archon – 47:08 – we are at a fork in the road – spiritual reality – or remain trapped in the system of Archon We are eternal consciousness having a physical souljorn This revelation transforms our perspective and the way we look at things vrs the ‘Cradle to Grave Programming’ of the system of the Beast, the dragon, That Chief Archon and his staff Reposted so it is easy to find Please post your response here: ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/posts/recentDavid Ike Origionally you said you could see no theology in it Yesterday - you claim David Ike presents your viewDouble Speak - Flip FlopOrponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/528/rosemary-guileyRosemary GuileyOrWhat is wrong with finishing the rest of YOUR video'The Archon Invasion'OrWe could discuss L. A. Marzulli some more
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 14:32:28 GMT -5
D" Post 3228" L.A, Marzulli is exactly my view Demons are not fallen angels, they are normal rebellious angels Normal regular angels just bad, shape shifters,
YES – ABSOLTELY – no such thing as “Catholic Fallen Angels” Two groups
Job 38:6 On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone— Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 when the (angels of God) sang together, and all the (bane elohiym) H7321 -Two groups
Demons are not fallen angels, they are normal rebellious angels Normal regular angels just bad, shape shifters,
NOT FALLEN ANGELS – ASLO NOT REGULAR ANGELS
Angels are ethereal – made of spirit The archon are NOT ethereal – because they are made with some matter Gen 3:14 – creatures of biology Gen 3:15 creatures that can have OFFSPRINGR" demons are dis-embodied angelic hybrids from nephilim, angel and human flesh, God never intended to have these, so when you kill the body, they become a spirit, and desire to possess a body again.D " YES – Book of Jubilees chapter 10 – quoted to you many timesR" so you say regular cherub decided to become bad (Enoch called them watchers - assuming what is written is trustworthy to read) And so these cherub you call "normal rebellious angels" shape shifted to have sex with human woman, causing hybrid demi-god beings, called archons (a word that means rulers of darkness) (but I note it doesn't mean a creature - although in some contexts it is assumed to mean this hybrid cherub/human) You say regular cherub are not made of matter but these hybrids are made of matter, having assimilated the living component with humans. Why does a living spirit have the need to invade the biological living component of humans, just so they can make a hybrid of themselves? Just because they could, they did? Scripture tells us God hates abominations or divers kind Genetic alterations such as these. Did this kind of GMO hybridization of angel with human occur, as some say occurred in Gen 6? D" Dave quotes David Icke – “Fallen Angels have become a very robust topic recently and they seem to be portrayed as entities that are evil and returning to wreak havoc on mankind. I have seen many stories that portray these fallen angels as demonic, locked up entities that are just waiting to be released after their eternal damnation for their decision to become mortals or humans. As I researched fallen angels, I discovered that many of the major religions have their own spin on these entities and most of them describe them as evil. The interesting thing about the very term in question, fallen angels, is that the bible does not actually use this phrase to describe these entities. Essentially, they are described as those that have fallen, the fallen ones, the watchers, and the list goes on. Although these entities are talked about throughout the scriptures, these entities are discussed in much more detail in the books of Enoch, for which most bibles only have a few of the chapters included. The main premise behind the documented details in Enoch are that angelic beings decided to incarnate in order to enjoy the lustful desires of the humans for which they watched over. According to the writings of Enoch the following outlines the rise and demise of these angels.”
Just where does he speak of Exk 28 and an angel that hates and opposes God? Please quote that section – I sure didn’t see itR" Sure David Icke doesn't speak of angels sinning, hence in the SDA world means the angels have fallen from God's grace because of their sinning. (But this assumes angels have free will- you oppose even this idea) Icke says Most major religion describe fallen angels as evil. Isn't this meaning the angels sinned? You mock me by saying just where does Icke say the fallen angels, hate and oppose God? Just what is a evil angel, fallen angel supposed to mean? One that hates God and opposes God? You ignore that God has rules about how love functions, you even say angels are mere programmed robots, not having free will to love God at all. So even here you define the angels according to your own terms. You play word games. You have even changed the meaning of the cherub. Ge 18:8 And Abram took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them (three ewosh "men ") ; and he (Abram) stood by them (three ewosh "men ") under the tree, and they (three ewosh "men ") did eat.
Most major religions assume these (three ewosh "men ") two were angels of cherub form and one was the YHWH of the divine origin, but all three functioned as (three ewosh "men "), and all three ate food set before them. Explain to me how angels and YHWH can eat biological food if they are not made themselves of some matter?You twist these passage to mean some MEDIUM volunteered to be lying, as if lying is allowed by GOD, who hates a liar? ( Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:) 1Ki 22:18 And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?( this passage is about good and evil , towb and ra) 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.( the phrase left and right hand concerns the separation of towb from ra, the sheep from goats, the wicked ra from the good towb ones) 20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? ( God asks for a medium to promote the RA, since this king wishes to do RA) 20And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. {persuade: or, deceive} ( Not one of the towb angels offers nothing) 21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.( Finally a RA angel offers to become the medium for RA) 22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.( How do we know this angel is a RA angel? because he freely admits to be a lying medium, so the prophets also become full of RA) This passage is not about volunteering but about whom is responsible to be the medium for RA? So one cherub accepts the responsibility for being the medium for RA. Obviously this angel must have sinned and thus opposed God by sinning long before this passage was written. Again my point to you is " and I will be a lying spirit " this cherub chooses to be a lying medium for RA. Free will is described here. The angels have free will to choose to be a medium for RA. Jesus termed the devil as a father of liars. If this term devil is a GMO hybrid of angel with human, the NT never mentions this idea, the point is the creature is defined as a liar, and a murderer. These are rules of transgression, and thus sins of the moral law. Again the angel has free will. D" Names do not matter – all the same entities – The Beast, the serpent race, devils, and satanasR"Of course names matter, you have a different creature good angel doing a bad job, and satanas as the "GMO Hybrid Angel/Human" as rulers of darkness over mankind. You have two groups of bad, most religions have one source of bad. Rob notes "I repeat the words of David Icke14:35 " I have seen the term "fallen angels" used for these entities too".Dave replies" Robert’s WORD GAME
Rob replies" Your David Icke does not support you at all. You have to have somebody say the Sophia Pisitis made a mistake and allowed the archon to come to being, who made 200 generals of archons who saw the women of humans and changed to have sex with them creating a hybrid archon/human blood line, the Nephilum, who has caused havoc on earth ever since. Must not mention "angels, or fallen angels", but a brand new creature formed by God, the archon form. Or something along these lines. D" If David Ike supports your view – why haven’t you spoke of: a race of Reptilian humanoids UFOs Aliens – Reptilians some people are more open / more sensitive / clairvoyant shapeshifting, reptilian entities the ‘other gods’ of the 99% The spirits/demons/gods of the 100% interbreeding hybrid blood lines, – demi-gods - Rephiem royalty
R" Dave I do not care for the details of the fallen angels or their schemes of deception. My major thrust is to get faith in Jesus. I do not care to know the enemy as you try to say and do. Sure I am aware of their many deceptions, but I don't go overboard to detail their exploits. And if you make any suggestion to angels fallen, sinning, or having free will to do bad, make evil, than your view is essentially my view. You want dozens of videos on my view of angels that sin and do bad? Walter Veith details their schemes, and we use different words, but the deceptions are the same. You can't offer me one video on your view at all. Dave says " Please watch this video – I gain strength from it as a Gnostic Christian You will never hear a better secular explanation of why the unseen world is real and alive. …I use this video to witness to the non-believer. David Ike covers so much ground that it speaks truth to most people somewhere along the way. This guy sounds just like me! Or I sound like Him. Rob replies. "Dave your video does not support your view. David Icke uses the term " fallen angels", and all the rest doesn't matter. Stop ignoring the word games you ignore and start presenting a video you support fully. Dave than presents this video ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/528/rosemary-guiley Rosemary GuileyOK Dave, but before I listen to this video and her evidence, why does the speaker say 39 seconds in "angels" ?
Also explain this quote of yours? D" Post 3228" L.A, Marzulli is exactly my view Demons are not fallen angels, they are normal rebellious angelsRob replies" I get the impression you now say the demons " GMO hybrid archon/human creatures " are normal rebellious angels? Are you doing a back flip, flip flopper? I thought over the years, angels are programmed creatures of praise, so how does an angel become bad without free will? Why do you now talk of angels becoming bad? No such thing according to you. Show me a video that speaks of the origin of the archon (without using the term angels or cherubs) Now explain your use of the term "angels" now? Are you rejecting Gnostic terms of "archons" now? I thought the archon messengers are different to angels, now you say angels? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2021 17:18:46 GMT -5
R" demons are dis-embodied angelic hybrids from nephilim, angel (messenger) and human flesh, God never intended to have these, (I do not know all the ins and outs of God's Plan - do you?) so when you kill the body, they become a spirit, (they were always spirit trapped within some matter/body) and desire to possess a body again. (is that their desire - unknow - it happens)Jubilees 10 says - 1- 10% of the Nephilim remain in the ground after the flood 2- while they are here they fathered the Rephiem - Sons of Anak - genetic link 3- If you catch them in mortal form - you can kill their mortal bodies 4- But their spirit will forever be limited to this 3D realm - as evil spirits D" YES – Book of Jubilees chapter 10 – quoted to you many times R" so you say regular cherub decided to become bad STOP IT – only you say cherub – everyone else uses the Greek term for messengers - angelsSTOP IT – where did I say your cherub decided to be bad?(Enoch called them watchers - assuming what is written is trustworthy to read) Yes that is your style attack the credibility of anything non-RomanAnd so these cherub you call "normal rebellious angels" STOP IT – only you say cherub – everyone else uses the Greek term for messengers - angels shape shifted to have sex with human woman, causing hybrid demi-god beings, called archons (a word that means rulers of darkness) (but I note it doesn't mean a creature - although in some contexts it is assumed to mean this hybrid cherub/human) STOP IT this hybrid cherub/human = archon/human hybrid = bane elohiym/human hybridYou say regular cherub are not made of matter I say – angels of the Lord – good angels – good messengers from God = ethereal / spirit So does any Jew or Christian I have ever met – until you
but these hybrids are made of matter, having assimilated the living component with humans. Correct – Gen 6 says – the bane elohiym fathered the NephilimWhy does a living spirit have the need to invade the biological living component of humans, just so they can make a hybrid of themselves? Just because they could, they did? Sure why does man do such things – only man can – according to youScripture tells us God hates abominations or divers kind Genetic alterations such as these. Did this kind of GMO hybridization of angel with human occur, as some say occurred in Gen 6? Correct – Jude calls them ‘sinning messengers’ What is their crime – reproduce after your own kind – no hybrid breedingD" Dave quotes David Icke – “Fallen Angels - fallen angels as demonic, locked up entities that are just waiting to be released - As I researched fallen angels, I discovered that many of the major religions have their own spin on these entities and most of them describe them as evil. The interesting thing about the very term in question, fallen angels, is that the bible does not actually use this phrase to describe these entities. … Although these entities are talked about throughout the scriptures, these entities are discussed in much more detail in the books of Enoch Just where does he speak of Exk 28 and an angel that hates and opposes God? Please quote that section – I sure didn’t see itR" Sure David Icke doesn't speak of angels sinning, - Correct HE DOES NOT
hence in the SDA world means the angels have fallen from God's grace because of their sinning. (But this assumes angels have free will- you oppose even this idea) Correct this is your doctrine Icke says Most major religion describe fallen angels as evil. YES – Roman Christendom teaches fallen angels as evil – this is a correct statement This is their doctrine – and the SDA just borrowed itYou mock me by saying just where does Icke say the fallen angels, hate and oppose God? Quote him - pleaseJust what is a evil angel, fallen angel supposed to mean? Depends if you believe in Catholic theology or not It does not mean that to a Jew and Judaism is the foundation of true ChristianityGe 18:8 (three ewosh "men ") under the tree, and they (three ewosh "men ") Most major religions assume these (three ewosh "men ") two were angels of cherub Please quote a reference calling the cherub – all my commentaries just say angels (messengers)Jewish commentary call them "Ishim" not cherub19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. ( the phrase left and right hand concerns the separation of towb from ra, the sheep from goats, the wicked ra from the good towb ones) Yep – two groups – angels of the Lord + The Beast, the serpent race, devils, satanas One Group by the Right Hand – and one Group by the Left Hand exactly as Gnostic literature says20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? ( God asks for a medium to promote the RA, since this king wishes to do RA) YES - agreedD"Names do not matter – all the same entities – The Beast, the serpent race, devils, and satanas R"Of course names matter, you have a different creature good angel doing a bad job, and satanas as the "GMO Hybrid Angel/Human" WHAT AN ASSCan you stop yourself from lying – or just making upon stuff trying to make a point D"If David Ike supports your view – why haven’t you spoke of: a race of Reptilian humanoids UFOs Aliens – Reptilians some people are more open / more sensitive / clairvoyant shapeshifting, reptilian entities the ‘other gods’ of the 99% The spirits/demons/gods of the 100% interbreeding hybrid blood lines, – demi-gods - Rephiem royalty R" Dave I do not care for the details of the fallen angels or their schemes of deception. OK – rephrase the question – why have you argued that all of this was nonsense and just mythDave says "Please watch this video – Rob replies. "Dave your video does not support your view. David Icke uses the term "fallen angels", and all the rest doesn't matter. I doubt you watch it – you only have to start at 25:50 Pleas quote him end give the time stamp where David Ike says your satan rose up against GodDave than presents this video ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/528/rosemary-guileyRosemary Guiley OK Dave, but before I listen to this video and her evidence, why does the speaker say 39 seconds in "angels" ? DUH – messenger from their sourceMessengers from God = angels of the Lord Messengers od the Beast, serpent race, devils, satanas = archon Also explain this quote of yours? D" Post 3228" L.A, Marzulli is exactly my view Demons are not fallen angels, they are normal rebellious angels Angels are angels (angels of the Lord) – that is how they were made Rebellious angels (Beast, serpent race, devils, satanas – archon) – that is how they were madeDemons are not fallen angels - they are ugly offspring from the Beast - the serpent race - devils - satanasWhy do you now talk of angels becoming bad? No such thing according to you.I say there are two groups – so please quote me – you have a problem with the truth - Christian
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 16:24:09 GMT -5
OK Dave, Your word game is amazing What you are saying is the term aggelos meaning angel is the term malak, meaning messenger. And my linking of cherub to angel is only my unique view, nobody else. So when people use the term angel, they are actually referring to the term messenger, and not the cherub created kind. Now that is a big word game you pose. How in the world am I supposed to get my view for others within your word game? Do people out there know the word "angel" actually means "cherub", not messenger? www.mountain-retreat.org/faq/some-have-entertained-angels-unawares.htmlWarren does a nice job talking about messengers. ---------------my personal study of the confusion you raise-------------- Eze 10:3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
The cherub stand near the throne of God, and near the inner court of God's sanctuary. Eze 10:8 ¶ And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.The cherub actually look very much like humans do. Eze 10:15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.Ezekiel in vision sees a creature by the river, defined as a cherub creature. Da 12:5 ¶ Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. {bank: Heb. lip} {bank: Heb. lip} 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river,Daniel see a creature by the river, we can only assume these creatures are cherub too, but the text does not say that exactly. Da 8:2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.Same context, but the river in vision, Again we can assume, since no other creature is defined in heaven as any Hebrew word, apart from cherub, that the cherub is the one giving the vision to Daniel, and this creature also looks like a man, as does in Ezekiels vision. Da 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.WOW what a find, praise God for scripture links, the same by the river term, and this time one of the cherub's is named as Gabriel. Lu 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God;Here we see term and context of "in the presence of God", the name "Gabriel" and the term "aggelos" SO in my wonderful thanks for Scripture, I have come to the conclusion that the term "angel" is indeed messenger, but also is a reference to "cherub", the word for "angel" in which the term "messenger" comes from. I use three proofs of context for this link of association, 1) the Vision of Ezekiel and the vision of Daniel 2) The cherub looked like humans, and stand in the presence of God, near His throne. 3) One of the creatues by the river in vision is cherub, and other creatures by the river must be cherub too, one of the creatures by the river is named Gabriel, and Gabriel is a messenger, as well as an angel cherub. Shalom PS now these are facts of Scripture. Prove to me your term archon is a creature developed by God in Scripture, created intentionally to do havoc to man, again from Scripture. You will focus of the ben elohiym Ben elohiym, from the fact man is made a little lower than elohiym, can become sons of God, if they are sinless, holy and pure. This is consistent for all 11 verses. Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Many of the pure humans, become more wicked choosing women who are not pure themselves, hence the sinning of the human race increases. Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Some humans bred from wickedness became giants, or that humans are originally giant sized? by this is a reference to humans being more wicked on the earth. Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {Satan: Heb. the adversary} {among: Heb. in the midst of} Either other pure sinless humans came to God, or other human like creatures came to God, from other unfallen worlds. Job 2:1 ¶ Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. As above Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Since humans are not created, this term ben elohiym has to be re-defined as creatures who are pure and sinless, from other unfallen worlds. Other unfallen creatures similar to humans watched the Creation of earth and the creation of humans. One of those creature is the morning stars, the cherub kind. Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege} Humans can become ben elohiym Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; {harmless: or, sincere} {ye shine: or, shine ye} Humans must be sinless to become a ben elohiym 1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (KJV) Now we of the SDA religion, have a different view to the Nephilim and the Serpent Race, as you can see, but we do have fallen angels of the cherub kind, making havoc upon humans on the earth, is similar but not exactly the same as LA preaches. The confusion of your word game "angel"/"fallen angel" is only a Dave concern. If I am wrong, than show me a video that proves your view implicitly. I will watch your Rosemary person and her video soon. -----------------------------confirmations from video and source evidence from SDA faith------ Confirmations Satan seems paralyzed as he beholds the glory and majesty of Christ. He who was once a covering cherub remembers whence he has fallen. A shining seraph, “son of the morning;” how changed, how degraded! From the council where once he was honored, he is forever excluded. He sees another now standing near to the Father, veiling His glory. He has seen the crown placed upon the head of Christ by an angel of lofty stature and majestic presence, and he knows that the exalted position of this angel might have been his. Desire of Ages by Ellen White the SDA prophetess 56.2 paragraph. Darkness before Dawn. Rob "EGW uses two Hebrew words to identify Satan, cherub and seraph. Bingo. Millions of SDA people have the same view as I do, we are not unique on the view of angels as cherub. The Origin of Sin Author: Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD Publish date: May 21, 2009 The Bible tells us that Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways. God did not create sin, or an imperfect being. There was no reason for Lucifer to fall from his exalted position. However, God gives His creatures freedom of choice and Lucifer chose to rebel against God’s government and authority.God could have made angels and people so that they could not sin, like he made the stars to remain in their orbital positions. But He made us free agents, not robots. Without this freedom, His creatures would not be able to truly love God, for then they would only be programmed to love Him. God wants love that comes from a willing heart. He is not a God of force. He gave freedom to choose whether to obey or disobey, to love or to hate. Lucifer chose to hate.Lucifer held an exalted position in heaven. He was the “anointed cherub that covereth” the throne of God. He was “full of wisdom and perfect in beauty” (Ezekiel 28:12-14). But Lucifer was proud of his beauty. Ezekiel 28:17 says this of Lucifer: “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou has corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” His beauty went to his head and the seed of sin germinated. Rob " Walter Veith videos detail the rise and fall of these fallen angels (cherub) and the Serpent Race havoc they do on the earth against humans. There are many videos detailing the work of the Illuminati , and Masons the Catholics, and the Muslims, as part of the deception of the fallen angelic race.
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2021 8:49:38 GMT -5
OK Dave, Your word game is amazing What you are saying is the term aggelos meaning angel is the term malak, meaning messenger.
G32 - ἄγγελος - From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger. YES ROBERT ANGEL MEANS –MESSENGER We had this discussion before – and you want to argue it again Just a big circle going nowhere
And my linking of cherub to angel is only my unique view, nobody else. Anytime you see the word angel – you cannot substitute the word cherub When you see the word archon - you cannot substitute the word cherub
So when people use the term angel, they are actually referring to the term messenger, and not the cherub created kind. When people study scripture they do not rewrite to suit themselves
Eze 10:3 The cherub stand near the throne of God, and near the inner court of God's sanctuary. YES ROBERT there is a type of angel call cherub – correct This does not make all angels cherub
Eze 10:8 The cherub actually look very much like humans do. YEP – they can appear any way they want
now these are facts of Scripture. Prove to me your term archon is a creature developed by God in Scripture, created intentionally to do havoc to man, again from Scripture. Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
You will focus of the ben elohiym Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. CORRECT – I believe scripture
I know you want to change the topic – redirect the discussion on the debate floor it is call misdirection EVADE the answer by changing the subject you want to discuss We have talk all over the place – it is time for you to put up or shut up
Review the videos I ask of you – or I am done with you Be serious – be honest – or I am done with you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 15:15:30 GMT -5
There are over 20 million SDA people who view the term angel only meaning cherub creatures who including both good cherub and bad cherub. The bad cherub headed by Satan do havoc on earth against humans.
Martin Luther also views Satan as a cherub creature. I would suspect many religions are the same as the SDA on this view.
But as far as I know Dave is the only religion that include a few people supporting his video, and I am still waiting for a video that supports his view fully. I will watch your Rosemary one soon.
I showed you where the term cherub refers to Gabriel and thus messengers from heaven, are only of the cherub kind.
But not a single comment, of my study. You ignore Scripture studies you don't like.
Than you post a ridiculous claim you cannot support from Scripture:
D"YES ROBERT there is a type of angel call cherub – correct This does not make all angels cherub
So the Scriptures speak of creating other types of messengers does it? Show me where? How confusing for you, the cherub is only ONE of the messengers, but NOT the only messengers from heaven. How nice. Show me where they are other creature messengers created by God?
It's a word game Dave plays. "angels" are "messengers" some can be "cherub" but mostly from other "kinds" we assume God created as messengers. So now the word can mean anything we want it to mean. As long as it's a messenger.
D"EVADE the answer by changing the subject you want to discuss We have talk all over the place – it is time for you to put up or shut up
R" I have been fair with you Dave, I evaluated your videos, and they all stem from the origin of fallen angels.
And now you assume these messengers are NOT of the cherub kind.
OK prove to me other messengers are created by God from heavenly places.
OK prove to me other messengers can be "fallen messengers" ? I didn't know the seraphim are fallen, or the iyish or the ben elohiym, are these fallen too? You make your word game really complex and confusing to follow.
1) No mention of ben elohiym created by GOD, only that humans can become ben elohiym, via salvation with Jesus.
Now you force me to follow Jewish ideas of other beings we assume
2) No mention of seraphims created 3) No mention of shedim created 4) no mention of isysh created
The only heavenly creature created by God in the heavenly world, is the Cherub.
And you ask me to be serious, and honest with you? These other labels have to be function descriptors of the cherub creatures.
Show me a video that supports your view, beginning with the Gnostic view of the origin of the archon, than the origin of the Nephilium by these archon, and without using the term "angel" because this term can only mean "cherub", not "messenger".
D"I know you want to change the topic – redirect the discussion on the debate floor it is call misdirection
R" No Dave, I attack only where we differ. All the "LA words are more or less fine" except where he says the origin of the blood lines came from "fallen angels", and he never uses the term archons.
I want you to show me a video of a person who supports your view, that speak of these blood lines coming from entirely the archon race, that was intentionally created by God, his left hand allowed this.
You are having trouble even showing me one video. And when I go looking for videos on Gnostic things, they are way too weird to even relate to Christian views of the Bible, and you agree with this idea.
So where is your video. I will watch the Rosemary one soon. I hope it supports your view fully. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2021 18:38:24 GMT -5
There are over 20 million SDA people who view the term angel only meaning cherub creatures www.facebook.com/1522186331128891/posts/angels-cherubim-and-seraphim-seraphim-i-isaiah-saw-the-lord-sitting-on-a-throne-/2332620696752113/Philadelphia sdaThis is a study of three heavenly beings named in the Bible; seraphim, cherubim and angels. Angels do not have wings but they can fly. They can appear and disappear suddenly. Cherubim sometimes have two, four or six wings and seraphim have six wings. Their wings are made up of feather-like structures much like a bird’s wing but the cherubim wings are very soft to touch. https:// m.egwwritings.org/en/book/1441.88 Angels: Their Nature and MinistryNow if the angels are marshaled in armies, and are subject to a chief Commander, it is necessarily implied that there are also subordinate commanders, and captains of smaller divisions. We often read in the Bible of seraphim (Isaiah 6:1-6), of cherubim (Ezekiel 10:1), etc., of dominions, of principalities, of powers, etc. (Colossians 1:16). All these, we conclude, are different orders of angels. We may further conclude that each company is subject to its commander, and he to one higher, till we reach the Commander-in-chief, the Son of God. WOW –Academic Honesty – you cannot ever present your own SDA doctrine without lyingMartin Luther also views Satan as a cherub creature. I would suspect many religions are the same as the SDA on this view.Martin Luther was a Catholic priest I showed you where the term cherub refers to Gabriel and thus messengers from heaven, are only of the cherub kind. But not a single comment, of my study. You ignore Scripture studies you don't like.Yes I have commented on your views – they are not consistent with Judaism, Christianity, or even your own SDA doctrineYou play work linking games - a=b, and b=c, and c=d - therefore you can rewrite scripture the way you want it to read Than you post a ridiculous claim you cannot support from Scripture:D"YES ROBERT there is a type of angel call cherub – correct This does not make all angels cherub Your views are not consistent with Judaism, Christianity, or even your own SDA doctrineIt's a word game Dave plays. "angels" are "messengers" some can be "cherub" but mostly from other "kinds" we assume God created as messengers. So now the word can mean anything we want it to mean. As long as it's a messenger. The words angel in Greek or malak in Hebrew mean - messengerG32 - ἄγγελος - From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger. H4397 – מַלְאָךְ - From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger. D"EVADE the answer by changing the subject you want to discuss We have talk all over the place – it is time for you to put up or shut up R" I have been fair with you Dave, I evaluated your videos, and they all stem from the origin of fallen angels.Still waiting for your comment of the David Ike video I suggested Actually I am Still waiting for your comments to defend your own video from Don PattonOK prove to me other messengers are created by God from heavenly places.Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 1) No mention of ben elohiym created by GOD, only that humans can become ben elohiym, via salvation with Jesus. Now you force me to follow Jewish ideas of other beings we assume 2) No mention of seraphims created 3) No mention of shedim created 4) no mention of isysh created The only heavenly creature created by God in the heavenly world, is the Cherub.Where is your creation story from scripture?And you ask me to be serious, and honest with you? Show me a video that supports your view, I have – but for some reason you refuse to even watch the video I sufggestAnd you ask me to be serious, and honest with you?So where is your video. I will watch the Rosemary one soonSure you will – you still have not commented on my David Ike video All I have seen are your many comments about his other videos that I did not suggest
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 14:42:06 GMT -5
www.facebook.com/1522186331128891/posts/angels-cherubim-and-seraphim-seraphim-i-isaiah-saw-the-lord-sitting-on-a-throne-/2332620696752113/m.egwwritings.org/en/book/1441.88#92Home/Adventist Pioneer/ LibraryPioneer/ Authors/ Waggoner, Joseph Harvey/Angels: Their Nature and Ministry Now if the angels are marshaled in armies, and are subject to a chief Commander, it is necessarily implied that there are also subordinate commanders, and captains of smaller divisions. We often read in the Bible of seraphim (Isaiah 6:1-6), of cherubim (Ezekiel 10:1), etc., of dominions, of principalities, of powers, etc. (Colossians 1:16). All these, we conclude, are different orders of angels. We may further conclude that each company is subject to its commander, and he to one higher, till we reach the Commander-in-chief, the Son of God. Thus all things go on in union and order, and the entire universe of God, except within the influence of Satan’s rebellion, is preserved in the most perfect harmony. In all God’s works we see harmony in diversity, and higher and lower grades. Why should it not be so among the angels? That it is so is both reasonable and scriptural. D" Yes I have commented on your views – they are not consistent with Judaism, Christianity, or even your own SDA doctrineR" I see you went to the trouble to research some SDA links. How nice and good of you Dave. The Philadelphia SDA link ran from 2016 to 2019 I think, with only a few human comments, sure its SDA as a branch church with some weird ideas not following mainsteam conservative church. I may contact them, and see if I can talk to them, Never had an opportunity to talk to SDA people before. This will keep my busy and so I will leave your forum and spend time witnessing to my own people. It's OK for some of us to have different views, Dave, not all SDA read Hebrew and Greek and many are swayed by the world, so hardly any SDA read Ellen White anymore, and so we have lots of different SDA views. I am also no exception. I am possibly one of very few SDA who hold ot the HS as a feminine being. All the rest of SDA see the HS as masculine. As for your other link, its a SDA person I read, but take with a grain of salt. Waggoner is a pioneer SDA, who Ellen White liked for his grace message, but I am not sure of his other ideas and views, so again not all SDA people have views that follow scripture or Ellen WHite, but invent their own ideas, which is OK to a point. Like I said, I do not place much support on Waggoner or humans within the SDA faith. Only Ellen WHite was inspired of God. So I myself didn't lie, not all of us SDA have the same ideas, and this is OK within to a point, my views are unique and follow Scripture as I know, plus follow Ellen White. Many of my ideas may not be all SDA though. Today the SDA have much following world ideas, many SDA sadly are double jabbed, something I also oppose. Many SDA eat GMO foods, something I also oppose. Many SDA are lost, Ellen White says 19/20 are lost, so not surprising many SDA have other ideas not on God's word. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2021 15:09:07 GMT -5
D"Yes I have commented on your views – they are not consistent with Judaism, Christianity, or even your own SDA doctrine R" I see you went to the trouble to research some assumed SDA links Only Ellen White was inspired of God. But her doctrine is not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 15:35:37 GMT -5
Our EGW writings website has the uncanny sadness to add writings not written or endorsed by Ellen WHite, and this is why I no longer used the White Estate, supposed to be run by SDA fellows who uphold EGW, but don't. The egwwritings.org aslo adds other writings too.
So one cannot say all of Waggoner was endorsed by EGW. Do you understand this?
SHalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2021 16:10:52 GMT -5
Are you admitting that your organised religion thing is fraught with human error and possible forgeires?
Of course it is because it is a man-made thing - and exactly why I have stepped away from labels
I may contact them, and see if I can talk to them, Never had an opportunity to talk to SDA people before. This will keep my busy and so I will leave your forum and spend time witnessing to my own people.
If you lie to them - or missrepresent information - or make up facts - you will quickly loose your credibility
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