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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2021 9:29:26 GMT -5
We tried to visit Larry at the Spanish Peak Veterans Home – they asked us at the door if we were vaccinated. We honestly said no and was not allowed in. We could have easily said yes. By phone he sounds very down, trapped, a prisoner. Lots of time to read his Bible he says. He asked: Am I suggesting that satan/devil looks like the alien on the book cover
My answer is – the archon exist in many formsMy answer is – King Solomon described creatures of matter (biology) that are invisible and must be called into appearing. The bane elohiym were invisible creatures until they took on human form They are invisible entities that can appear in our 3D physical realm And they can appear as anything they want – the legends of shapshifting Heb 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers—for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it. The Nephilim were demi-gods – ½ archon + ½ man – many looked human – many looked chimera The Native American Indians speak of the snake people, there are many legends of the serpent race from all over the globe. (goggle search) - the serpent race About 50,100,000 results (0.70 seconds) David Ike saw a Reptilian morph into a man in a business suit Many people claim a reptilian influence in the 13 Families Today – aliens are humanoid so far – and yet different And the alien race of reptilians is right there among them  The archon are invisible entities that can appear in our 3D physical realm And they can appear as anything they want – the legends of shapeshifting – and UFOs simple vanish – then reappear – as if they were intra-dimensional The archon are biological creatures – some in Nephilim form, some in Rephiem form, some in evil spirit form trapped to earth, some in invisible form just beyond our ability to see. Am I suggesting that satan/devil looks like the alien on the book cover Babylon 5 TV series – Kosh is released from his encounter suit – each alien race say their own type of angelic being – appearing differently to each race at the same time Amazing movie – Encounters of the FOURTH KIND As the hypnotist opened people’s memories – they all saw the same event word for word until the alien appears – and they all they can see is an owl. A memory implant - to hide what really happened. How many people claim lost time – memory wipe- to hide what really happened. My answer is – all of it is BASED in the Reality of the Archon
They come in many forms – invisible and visible and physical Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Are these angels that recreated themselves? – NO
They were created by Left hand of God – for GodCol 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. ---------------- D"If you choose to study REALITY and scripture – I’m your guy R" OK, where is your witness, your church and your millions of followers all over the world? I can't find many webpages on your views at all?
Recognize what is in your sightPsa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Psa 19:3 Day to day they speak, night to night they reveal knowledge. Psa 19:4 There is no speech, no words, where their voice goes unheard. Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— (google search) - intelligent designAbout 1,800,000,000 results (0.58 seconds) Q: What is intelligent design? A: Intelligent design (ID) is a pseudoscientific set of beliefs based on the notion that life on earth is so complex that it cannot be explained by the scientific theory of evolution and therefore must have been designed by a supernatural entity. Everyone who believes in intelligent design, believes in an intelligent designer – they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic ChristiansMYTH – vrs- REALITYBeginning with the Renaissance – Copernicus and Galileo The Church has FAILED to keep pace with educationThere is a lot of resentment within the scientific community because the ‘CHURCH’ deliberately held back medicine for centuries. So when Darwin comes along – the divide widens and again the Church made no effort to compete with education. Today – people are too educated to be ChristianThe ‘Church’ has lost the battel between MYTH and REALITY 17th Century religious views – just appears as MYTH in the light of modern reality 1Ti 4:1 Now the Ruach clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, following deceitful spirits and teachings of demons 1Ti 4:2 through the hypocrisy of false speakers— Today – the hypocrisy is owned by the “CHURCH” Each and every evolutionist that helped identify the completed fossil record acknowledges that the species just ‘appeared –lived-and died’ – there are no incremental forms - agrees with Incremental Creation.  – they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic ChristiansRobert says he refuses to witness to them – they are not worth his timeToday – the world is filled with beliefs of aliens and UFOs – even at the highest governmental levels – they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic ChristiansRobert admits his religion left him unequipped to witness to his own neighborToday – there is such a spiritual movement
So many people say they are spiritual – just nor religious– they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic Christians(google search) - spiritual but not religiousAbout 348,000,000 results (0.79 seconds) (wiki) "Spiritual but not religious", also known as "spiritual but not affiliated", is a popular phrase and initialism used to self-identify a life stance of spirituality that does not regard organized religion as the sole or most valuable means of furthering spiritual growth. – they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic Christians
Today – there is such a conspiracy about the New World Order – and its one world government(google search) - new world orderAbout 6,910,000,000 results (0.76 seconds) (wiki) The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government. – they know deep inside what the truth must be (yester tov) – but they cannot stomach church garbage (Western Roman Christendom as presented – as you present)
Every one of them is a Gnostic – they need to become Full Gnostic ChristiansD"If you choose to study REALITY and scripture – I’m your guy R" OK, where is your witness, your church and your millions of followers all over the world? I can't find many webpages on your views at all?
Recognize what is in your sightI do not care if you are a biologist, a physicist, a Muslim, a Catholic, athiest, or pagan
This is my only witness - This is my only point - and this is the Mission of my ministry
ALL REALITY VALIDATES - FAITH in the ONE TRUE GOD - who is the Divine Pardon D" OK – what does this have to do with creating thorns and thistles on day 7 after creation is closed What does this have to do with sharks eating meat – or lion eating meat – or viruses reproducing What does this have to do the volcanoes and earthquakes And what dose this have to do with your satan – acting as the god of evil What does his have to do with the DNA of all biology everywhere changing? R" Much, when God's powers are removed/ withdrawn from all creation and man, after mankind sinned, all kinds of ra affected creation and mankind. Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. My scripture says it spread to all men – Where is your scripture – that all creation changed
After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and raD"What does my statement have to do with two gods opposing one another in heaven?
R" Where did sin come from Dave? A creature who opposes God. That is what sin is, disobeying God.YES – and that creature was EVE!Our differences is you say the sinning archons were created that way by God,Correct – I believe scriptureCol 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. And who sinned first ? A cherub did, Scripture says. The verse you ignore.
whereas I say they chose to do sinning and thus these cherub archons caused a bustle and were banished to earth.Correct – you say a group of angels evolved into something evil
Your proof = one verse and the authority of the Roman Catholic Church and their invented doctrineOne this is very clear – you sure are satan's disciple – I know who you are |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:33:20 GMT -5
D" Where is your scripture – that all creation changed
After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and raR" Ge 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. The HS as a medium is impartial to humans clothed with light or clothed in nakedness. The HS simply allows your free will decisions to be observed, hence without the HS mankind would cease to exist, and cease to see what RA decisions man wished to bring into existence. RA is the fruit of SIN. Dave claims RA is some natural occurring thing, that is not associated with SIN. This idea is false. So the first affects of RA is seen here, the HS shrinks about the couple, exposing their nakedness, because the medium has less power from God flowing into both bodies of mankind. Ge 3:11 ¶ And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? God seeks honest repentance to return to God's powers in full. Ge 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. But the man is blaming Eve. Ge 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the Woman blames the serpent for deceiving her. Ge 3:14 ¶ And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Now the cherub that sinned already long ago, cannot be further cursed: The punishment of banishment to earth over the SIN problem is a war/bustle. However the first of GOD's creation/creature is however cursed. The serpent is made into a snake with no legs, simply by asking the genetic genes for legs to be switched off, for the flying ability to be also switched off. Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Jeff Benner talks about this verse. It is a special verse. Ge 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, zera zera, both verb and noun forms refer to the idea of DNA making DNA copies of itself, as a kind. All living things has this ability. Including mankind. Le 12:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: De 22:9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. This can only mean making GMO with human DNA with strange DNA not related to human DNA. Could it be possible for the cherub archon to force strange DNA into the human genome? Man is currently doing such abominations with bacteria DNA into rapeseed DNA, making crops you can soak in poisons. Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. 9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed. 10 The roaring of the lion, and the voice of the fierce lion, and the teeth of the young lions, are broken These verses suggest to me that "aven" and "zera" are possible with the "roaring lion" a figure of the opposing cherub that caused mankind to sin in the Garden. Both "aven" and "zera" are genetic words in Hebrew. Pr 22:8 ¶ He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: Here is another, the "epi-genetics" is the process of making "zera" and "Aven" real terms. Jer 50:16 Cut off the sower from Babylon 17 Israel is a scattered sheep; 17 the lions have driven Israel away: These phrases tell us clues to the sowing of RA seeds from Babel, the symbol of confusion. Ho 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: How can mankind sow the HS as a medium, but get a whirlwind instead, ie a evil medium? Does this mean the medium becomes itself evil? No It means an evil flow can be administrated by the medium, if humans desire this evul flow. Where does this evil flow of RA come from? Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; From the seed of the serpent, the origin of SIN and RA. Does this make ther serpent cherub archon into a Creator of RA and SIN? No Isa 45:7 tells us GOD is always the creator of both good and evil, both light and dark. Nothing would exist without God. You choose to ignore the Ezekiel verse, intentionally so you can derive a different view of the origin of RA and SIN. Ge 3:15 And YHWH will put enmity between cherub/serpent/archon and the woman. God is always in control of RA/SIN. God makes the serpent stop overtaking the humans with SIN and RA. God limits the function of RA/SIN for a reason, otherwise nobody could take the curse of sin, hence all creatures have a sense of serving God. Including the opposing cherub. Ge 3:17 ..cursed is the ground for thy sake; ... 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; The natural RA is a fruit of GOD's power flowing less over His creation, because of Adam's SIN. It is mentioned here, beginning with soil, them plants go wirey. Then animals go wirey.
If sharks can no longer eat nutritious algae, they eat animals instead. A change of menu for the diet. Simple. No second creation required, all programmed into the DNA to begin with. RP"O ur differences is you say the sinning archons were created that way by God,D" Correct – I believe scripture
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into beingR" Correct the cherub creature was created. Correct. With free will too. But later before mankind existed, the cherub chose to sin and do wrong, and thus became the origin of SIN and RA. You do not acknowledge this idea. You say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind. That makes GOD not only a creator of RA/SIN but also a doer of RA/SIN. If God does evil as well as good, why follow God at all? Just a tyrant, not a god of love at all, but a god of hate and love, of murder and living, these opposites make abominations of the character of GOD. Can you discuss them fairly? D" you say a group of angels evolved into something evilR" How can anything evolve into anything? Not possible. Information and decisions never evolve. Such knowledge is decided and deliberate. The cherub chose to be evil and thus became SIN and RA. The cherub demanded a kingdom from the Father so the cherub could live His own kingdom without God. Thus desire was created by GOD so the serpent/archon/cherubs lived on earth, not a part of God's world at all, notice the earth was never created from man, it was already there before day-one began. If earth was already there before day-one began, the cherubs were already on earth before Creation began. These angel cherubs were enjoying their living in darkness at absolute zero, wher enot even rocks moved. Nothing moved, the cold rock of earth just sat there unmoved and moving nowhere. Earth was motionless, a void of nothing, the perfect place for RA and SIN, just as the cherub wanted. How can angels exist on absolute zero? no GOD in their lives? Hmm? Dunno. Maybe they were spirit bodies as you say, not subject to extreme colds. But information cannot evolve Dave. Not even possible. Neural networks cannot become smarter on their own. Intelligent Design is always required. D" One this is very clear – you sure are satan's disciple R" Hmm? I am not. You ignore many verses in Scripture, especially the Ezekiel, Jude and Revelation ones that change your view. You claim only the Jews have truth. But the ancient Chinese, ie Noah himself, wrote about the devil as a secret opposer seeking to make 4 contradictions over Eve, tempting them to SIN. Thus contradictions arise into SIN. Did the cherub ever contradict GOD?
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. What is this word in Hebrew? 51 verses use this Hebrew word evelDe 32:4 He is the Rock <tsuwr>, his work <po`al> is perfect <tamiym>: for all his ways <derek> are judgment <mishpat>: a God <'el> of truth <'emuwnah> and without iniquity <`evel>, just <tsaddiyq> and right <yashar> is he. Wow God is a GOD of faith/emanuah, NOT evel. Therefore GOD cannot be evel, cannot do RA, cannot do SIN. Job 6:30 Is there iniquity in my tongue? God cannot speak evel, only one SINNING speaks evel Job 11:14 If iniquity <'aven> be in thine hand <yad>, put it far away <rachaq>, and let not wickedness <`evel> dwell <shakan> in thy tabernacles <'ohel>. So "aven" comes into thy hand when your mind seeks to be "evel". And "aven" is the fruit of "sin". Job 15:16 How much more abominable <ta`ab> and filthy <'alach> is man <'iysh>, which drinketh <shathah> iniquity <`evel> <`evel> like water <mayim>? Not sure if evel is written twice, but evel is contrasted to water. They are opposites. Both are flows of power. Job 22:23 If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles. Interesting the Shadday builds us up, but evel tears us down. Pr 22:8 ¶ He that soweth <zara`> iniquity <`evel> shall reap <qatsar> vanity <'aven>: Notice the seed is mentioned with evel, and also aven. They are all related ideas. What contradictions did the bright star of heaven, closest to God make? Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. How can a cherub/star/archon rise to be like the Father? This is a contradiction. I do not follow an opposing source of evel Dave, I support God and the flow of waters from the HS. SHalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 20, 2021 4:23:54 GMT -5
"Where is your scripture – that all creation changed After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and ra Dave claims RA is some natural occurring thing, that is not associated with SIN. This idea is false. So the first affects of RA is seen hereThe first sign of ra was Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and raGe 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. You claim your angel god satan cannot father children – impossible you claimGe 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit Could it be possible for the cherub archon to force strange DNA into the human genome? Yes Robert – you teach that your satan change everything’s DNABut when I quoted you – you denied this claim – now you make the same claim again
You are a double speaker – flip flopper
It is Ok when you say it – but error when I say itGe 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; From the seed of the serpent, the origin of SIN and RA.Yes you are making a statement here - - where is your scriptureOrigin of ra = Gen 1:2 it is inherent to / a by-product of physical creation Origin of sin = Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, and that the tree was desirable for imparting wisdom. So she took of its fruit and she ate. She also gave to her husband who was with her and he ate. Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. God is always in control of RA/SIN.If God is always in control of your satan – how can your satan oppose God?How can your satan exersize his FREE WILL to oppose God if God is always in control of RA/SIN.Double speaker - flip flopper
You do not even support your own words
You are not studying scripture - you are defending your satan godGe 3:17 ..cursed is the ground for thy sake; ... 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; It is mentioned here, beginning with soil, them plants go wirey. Then animals go wirey.There is no new creation after day 6 – creation is closed There is no such thing as evolution
Everything was created -‘by Him for Him’- You present Don Patton as a scientific genius to dispel evolution – yet you depend on everything evolving to make your doctrine trueRP"Our differences is you say the sinning archons were created that way by God,
D" Correct – I believe scriptureBut later before mankind existed, the cherub chose to sin and do wrong, and thus became the origin of SIN and RA.
You do not acknowledge this idea. You say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind. Hey double speaker – flip flopper – you just said “So the first affects of RA is seen here, the HS shrinks about the couple, exposing their nakedness, because the medium has less power from God flowing into both bodies of mankind.” So you have two origins of sin and ra – please make up your mindYou say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind.You are pathalogical - stop putting words in my mouth - I have asked you to stop before
but you cannot help yourself - if you think you are being sly - your not
IT ONLY HARMS YOUR CREDIBILITYYou say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind.Why do you need to misrepresent others to make your point? –
Integrity – academic honesty – common decency - ChristianYou say the archon opposed God in Gen 1:1, and took 1/3 of messengers with him, stuck on earth when God comes to earth in darkness and chaos, Why do you need to misrepresent others to make your point? –
Integrity – academic honesty – common decency - ChristianIT ONLY HARMS YOUR CREDIBILITYD"you say a group of angels evolved into something evil R" How can anything evolve into anything? Not possible. Yet – you teach good guy angels – changed their form and function to opposite from their created origional form
Beautiful angels – became ugly demons – and I say – NOT POSSIBLEScripture says - Col 1:16 - made by Him for HimYou say I deny your one verse - how mnay do you need to deny to keep your satan elevated The cherub demanded a kingdom from the Father Your satan god cannot demand anything from the One True Creator
You teach satan strong – God is weak – must obey satanIf earth was already there before day-one beganAre you making an assumption – that is not in agreement with scriptureD"One this is very clear – you sure are satan's disciple R" Hmm? I am not. You ignore many verses in Scripture, BULL SHIT – lets look at every verse again in detail againEach and every verse about your satan is opposing man in service to the lord
There is an entire thread here devote to your satan worship -after a year you said So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough
So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?
Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture? Roman Christendom - is not the same religion as Messanaic Judaism Messanic Judaisn has ONE TRUE GOD who is the MESSIAH You have multiple gods and one of them is named satan Dave writes: " See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that? Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. How can a cherub/star/archon rise to be like the Father? This is a contradiction.Your whole religion revolves around two words and a man-made Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels
Even if it contradicts scripturePrecept upon precept, line upon lineNo one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented himI do not follow an opposing source of evel Dave, I support God and the flow of waters from the HS. Double speaker – flip flopper Dave writes: " See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that?
You are obsessed with satan
You will misrepresent scripture to make him true
You will quote people you do not support to make him true
You just repeat the same verse over and over hoping it will come truePrecept upon precept, line upon lineNo one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented him |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 14:20:29 GMT -5
D" So the first affects of RA is seen here
The first sign of ra was Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep,
After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and raR" Did you not tell me this time is the time of Rev 12:8, the bustle in heaven between the archon and God? So when the archon sinned, there was darkness, ie a RA, and chaos, ie a RA, because the war in heaven is a symbol of sinning and RA, as any war, or bustle, leads one to become an apponent, hence opposes GOD. You are happy to place these events in this Gen 1:2 time, (not that I agree with you- but the idea is basically sound), so this RA already on earth, came from these creatures haven sinned long ago. But again you ignore the Ezekiel verse about this piece of the picture, when all the pieces suddenly fit, the view falls into place. D" You claim your angel god satan cannot father children – impossible you claimR" I am not talking about changing the biology, but the infromation the DNA biology records and inherits from one generation through the biology, the epi-genetics. Where does knowledge come from? Gnosis, the term you define as supreme knowledge? Where does this knowledge come from? A cherub who has experienced sinning and all forms of sinning for "trillions of years " before mankind came along. You claim it is wonderful to know all the experiences of RA, all the infinite ways of sin, and all the abominations of evil? I would never walk into an adult shop, nor visit a brothel, nor see a slaughter house, nor visit the torture of humans, or see the tools of the trade to make cruel abominations to humans, such knowledge of RA is not necessary for the mind that seeks TOV. When did this knowledge of RA, or of SIN come from? The seed of the sinning cherub/archon/serpent. So the DNA is a huge information recording system, and it is the holy words of GOD that have become spoiled by the evil one sowing seeds of corruption, of doubt, and of contradictions. Once these things are practiced in humans, they become biological epi-genetics, and thus propensities that are inherited. RP" Could it be possible for the cherub archon to force strange DNA into the human genome?D" Yes Robert – you teach that your satan change everything’s DNA
But when I quoted you – you denied this claim – now you make the same claim againR" I asked the question, could it be possible to change the DNA in the human? Not that I know from certainty? Can't you adopt my drift? or must you oppose this suggest ? It is a hypothesis, that is all? If the spoiler spoils things, was the spoiler allowed to spoil the DNA of the machine of life? How so ? Remove a letter here and there, add a letter perhaps? cause chromsome 1 and 2 to stick together making 23 chromosomes instead of 24. Things like that. This is a hypothesis, that is all? Stop mocking my idea is a fact, it's just a suggestion. D" If God is always in control of your satan – how can your satan oppose God? How can your satan exersize his FREE WILL to oppose God if God is always in control of RA/SIN.R" God supplies the wisdom to invent the gun, and the powers of nature for the gun to work. Man invents the gun and man uses the gun for good or bad. If man uses the gun for good, this is not opposing God. But if the man uses the gun for bad things, this does oppose God, because such an action goes against the character of God, who is living and loving, and wishes all things to be perfect. God set up a medium. The medium allows a flow of good or bad through it. The good flows from God. The bad flows from a being who wishes to sin. In order to sin or do bad, there has to be a change in God's flow of power and the medium is able to administrate this change. Hence God is always in control of darkness, ra and sin. God might also limit the actions of free will to do deeper levels of RA, SIN and darkness, hence since God is a protector and lover of life, this limitation is a part of God, hence the doers of evil are limited in what they can do. If such limitations were not imposed on the doers of free will, than God would not be a God who cares, and loves, and thus defends even the wicked in their wickedness despite them sinning and walking away from God. We see in Scripture a evil medium coming over Saul, who once had a holy medium coming over Saul. But it changed from one flow of TOV to another flow of RA, the medium (the HS remains the same), only the flow inside the medium changes. Why a change in the flow? Because Saul wanted to SIN and walk away from GOD. The Opposer of GOD (satan) is the origin of this flow, and under him are other cherub who also administrate this flow into all humans, as the opposer himself has no abilities to be in all places all over the world. We see this opposer of salvation in the scape goat, the prince of the world, Jesus came to over throw. Only once in earth's history is the opposer given un restricted powers to do as he wishes, after God has saved all the humans possible to be saved. The Scripture mentions this one time function: Da 12:1 ¶ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Michael standing up, is this prince here Da 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit,....Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, The SON of man, Jesus sits down with the Father to add saved humans to His kingdom. Once the kingdom is filled up, Jesus stands up, as Michael, who is like the Father, and so begins a trouble the world has never seen. All the humans saved are saved. The Satan destroys the wicked, but is not allowed to hurt the saved. Unlike Job, the opposer is not allowed access, the challenge of Job was once met, not again is this question met again. The righteous are tormented by the Opposer, like Job, but do not sin. RP" It is mentioned here, beginning with soil, them plants go wirey. Then animals go wirey.D" There is no new creation after day 6 – creation is closed
There is no such thing as evolution
Everything was created -‘by Him for Him’-R" Are you suggesting the development of the embryo in a fetus is not allowed to develop? That the lion cannot access it's free will to kill or not kill? In the second world war, lions ate vegetables, not meat. Now they eat meat. Surely the DNA can do what it's programmed to be, develop and grow and change within limits. This is not creation, but development. GOD Created the DNA info to do, yes. But surely that info can do, develop and grow? D" yet you depend on everything evolving to make your doctrine trueR" I told you evolution does not exist. A program designed to do, change within limits, and develop proteins into 3D animals as designed to do, is not creation, it's development. Once you have a program working, it works. The design phase is over. Nothing to do with evolution, stop using that evil term. RP" You say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind.D" You are pathological - stop putting words in my mouth - I have asked you to stop before
but you cannot help yourself - if you think you are being sly - your not
IT ONLY HARMS YOUR CREDIBILITYR" OK if the archons were made sinless but developed SELF and BECAME a sinning agent, than they chose to SIN and develop this RA, hence the archons have FREE WILL. Now you have nothing different than my view, only a change of name from archon to cherub. Now you suggest both have FREE WILL to SIN. How about you write your view here for others to read Dave? D" Yet – you teach good guy angels – changed their form and function to opposite from their created original form
Beautiful angels – became ugly demons – and I say – NOT POSSIBLER" Not possible? Adam lost his coloured clothes of light, Adam became feaful, Adam blamed others. Changes are not possible? Really? If the cherub sinned, the light covering of the HS would vanish, hence become naked. If the cherub sinned, the burning love of fire would go out, no glory shinning. If the cherub sinned, the glow of love would cease, and the hatred brow of the bitter nose would develop (Ancient Chinese pictograph for sin) The cherub has free will. The archon has free will. The humans have free will. God has free will. Even the birds have free will. The lion has free will. And the shark has free will. I see this term as a creature with intelligence to choose to do things intelligently. (Scripture says only man's ruwach goeth upwards, meaning only man is saved from a sinner, you seem to define free will as only the ability to choose salvation after you become a sinning creature???) So change is possible. God created the DNA of creation to change, to show variety, to display intelligence, and to change and develop according to the changes in the world, within reasons of it's program. Those creatures who lack sufficient changes die. Those creatures able to change, adapt and develop to suit the changes, live. Who says sinning cherubs are ugly? What does ugly mean anyway? define the term? You assume cherubs have no free will. Jews says angel cherubs have limited sin ability? Hmm? SOme say angels sin, some say angels do not sin. Jews are flipper flopper, do not read their own Hebrew from inspired prophets, they add writings from non-inspired prophets to the mix. D" Your satan god cannot demand anything from the One True CreatorR" Look how silly you write Dave D" " a sinner creature" cannot demand anything from the One True CreatorAre you real on this idea? Where does RA and SIN come from? From a sinner sinning? Not allowed in the presence of GOD. SO how come the sinner sinning is allowed to exist? Because GOD allows the sin and the sinner to exist, a probation time, if you will, grace, than sin and sinners are never allowed to exist. Isa 45:7 says God creates RA, so the SIN is seen to exist. DO you agree with this idea?Normally SIN and sinners would never be allowed to exist. The wages of SIN is non-existence. D"N o one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented himR" That's funny because the Ancient Chinese believe in a temptor under the covering of two trees.  Notice TWO trees Dave, not one tree. "Secret being in garden alive" = DEVIL DEVIL under two trees covering himself = TEMPTER D"Y our whole religion revolves around two words and a man-made Catholic doctrine of Fallen AngelsR" No, now I can follow the ancient chinese words that Noah wrote for us, long before a Jew existed. D" No one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented himR" The writings of Noah, embedded in Ancient Chinese writings of pictographs show us the temptor was under the cover of two trees, not one tree, and caused using four contradictions to make humans sin. I will try to uncover more Chinese writings to show you that this view existed in Noah long before any Jew dismissed the views Noah had. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 21, 2021 6:21:50 GMT -5
The first sign of ra was Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, After all this time talking together – you cannot tell the difference between sin and ra R" Did you not tell me this time is the time of Rev 12:8, the bustle in heaven between the archon and God? You are happy to place these events in this Gen 1:2 time, (not that I agree with you- but the idea is basically sound), so this RA already on earth,Unless you think - chaos and waste, darkness- is tov?So when the archon sinned, there was darkness, ie a RA, and chaos, ie a RA, because the war in heaven is a symbol of sinning and RA, as any war, or bustle, leads one to become an apponent, hence opposes GOD.YES Robert – that is exactly what the Catholics teach – there is no doubt of your loyalty
However – that is not what scripture say to me and it is certainly not what I say to youSo when the archon sinned - war in heaven is a symbol of sinning - there was darkness, ie a RA, and chaos, ie a RA - came from these creatures haven sinned long ago. Nope – there is creation – and ENTROPY is also created indirectly – by the left hand – a by-product / inherent to physical creation - the Beast appeared – its only thought was of SELF (yester ra) because – it was made with some matterRoberts demand that cows and birds are all evil because they are (yester ra) Truth – instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biology (yester ra) is inherent to / a by-product of biology Just as ra is inherent to / a by-product of creation But again you ignore the Ezekiel verse about this piece of the picture, when all the pieces suddenly fit, the view falls into place.Precept upon precept, line upon lineNo one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented himRoman Christendom - is not the same religion as Messianic Judaism Messianic Judaism has ONE TRUE GOD who is the MESSIAH You have multiple gods and one of them is named satan D"You claim your angel god satan cannot father children – impossible you claim R" I am not talking about changing the biology, but the infromation the DNA biology records and inherits from one generation through the biology, the epi-genetics. www.nature.com/articles/s41437-018-0113-yEvolutionary consequences of epigenetic inheritanceEpigenetic effects are not only common, but can also underlie and influence many aspects of evolution. (google) How does epigenetics affect evolution?These effects can generate hybrid disfunction and contribute to speciation. Finally, epigenetic processes, particularly DNA methylation, contribute directly to DNA sequence evolution, because they act as mutagens on the one hand and modulate genome stability on the other So – it is your claim that thing never evolved – they just MUTATED by natural selection to change their form and functionTHERE NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION - - does not matter what word game you play to seek it inGnosis, the term you define as supreme knowledge?QUOTE ME ROBERT! – I dare youG1108 - gnōsis - From G1097; knowing (the act), that is, (by implication) knowledge: - knowledge, science. G1097 - ginōskō - A prolonged form of a primary verb; to “know” (absolutely), in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as shown at left, with others not thus clearly expressed): - allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) known (-ledge), perceive, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand. Gnosis - to “know” (absolutely),- to know something as FACT Belief = belief in something you hope is correct Where does this knowledge come from? A cherub who has experienced sinning You are so sick with your satan – my gosh – you will say anythingYou claim it is wonderful to know all the experiences of RA, all the infinite ways of sin, and all the abominations of evil?QUOTE ME ROBERT! – I dare youMiss-statements and lies – is not a quality argument Robert The tree = the TREE of KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra
Now man knows the difference between tov and ra Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. The result of knowing the difference between tov and ra Your exaggerated miss-statements do not help your argumentI would never walk into an adult shop, nor visit a brothel, nor see a slaughter house, nor visit the torture of humans, or see the tools of the trade to make cruel abominations to humans, such knowledge of RA is not necessary for the mind that seeks TOV. There is the Robert I know – beat your wife till she loves you more!Your exaggerated miss-statements do not help your argumentWhen did this knowledge of RA, or of SIN come from? The seed of the sinning cherub/archon/serpent.Please don’t twist scripture into a lie on this forumWhen did this knowledge of RA, or of SIN come fromGen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same D"If God is always in control of your satan – how can your satan oppose God? How can your satan exersize his FREE WILL to oppose God if God is always in control of RA/SIN. R" God supplies the wisdom to invent the gun, This has nothing to do with FREE WILL – to choose God or world It doesn’t matter if you become a plumber or a doctor – if you go to college or not
These are just life choices – it has nothing to do with the FREE WIILL choice to return to God as the Prodigal SonWe have had this same discussion 10-15-25 times – yet you play your word game to corrupt the information The Opposer of GOD (satan) is the origin of this flow, There is no second creation – no second creatorDa 12:1 / Da 7:9 - The SON of man, Jesus sits down with the Father to add saved humans to His kingdom. I will just stick to scriptureRev 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to His throne. Once the kingdom is filled up, OH – your God’s Kingdom has limits - Scripture please! Jesus stands up, as Michael, ABSPOLUTELY INSULTING - Christian RP" It is mentioned here, beginning with soil, them plants go wirey. Then animals go wirey. D" There is no new creation after day 6 – creation is closed There is no such thing as evolution Everything was created -‘by Him for Him’- R" Are you suggesting the development of the embryo in a fetus is not allowed to develop? There is the Robert I know – beat your wife till she loves you more!Your exaggerated miss-statements do not help your argumentThat the lion cannot access it's free will to kill or not kill? This has nothing to do with FREE WILL – to choose God or world
It doesn’t matter if you become a plumber or a doctor – if you go to college or not
These are just life choices – it has nothing to do with the FREE WIILL choice to return to God as the Prodigal SonWe have had this same discussion 10-15-25 times – yet you play your word game to corrupt the informationRP" You say GOD created the archons with SIN and RA into them in mind. D" You are pathological - stop putting words in my mouth - I have asked you to stop before but you cannot help yourself - if you think you are being sly - your not IT ONLY HARMS YOUR CREDIBILITY R" OK if the archons were made sinless but developed SELFProve to me that cows are sinful!and BECAME a sinning agent, than they chose to SIN They only express (yester ra) and when they took on human form they continued to express (yester ra)
And – yes – 200 of them (or so) violated the commandment to reproduce after their own kindhence the archons have FREE WILL.Hence the archon only express (yester ra)How about you write your view here for others to read Dave?I have – CONSISTANTLY – since the first day we met – Can you say the same?D"No one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented him R" That's funny because the Ancient Chinese believe in a temptor under the covering of two trees.Yes Robert the reality of Gen 3 is realNotice TWO trees Dave, not one tree. "Secret being in garden alive" = DEVILYes Robert the Tree of Life was there – shoe me in scripture where your satan gos prevented Eve or Adam from the Tree of Life – NEVER HAPPENED
There is only one tree of Knowledge between tov and ra – and it is the one tree that has a commandment about it DEVIL under two trees covering himself = TEMPTERYes – the devil – a member of the serpent race – the Best of Revelation.
Absolutely agreeD"Your whole religion revolves around two words and a man-made Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels D"No one ever believed in your satan god - before Rome invented him R" The writings of Noah, embedded in Ancient Chinese writings of pictographs show us the temptor was under the cover of two trees, not one tree, and caused using four contradictions to make humans sin. MAKE HUMANS SIN? – only your satan god rules every man - καθίστημι - remember
For the rest of us – the choice of only ours – because we have FREE WILL to choose God or World
I will try to uncover more Chinese writings to show you that this view existed in Noah long before any Jew dismissed the views Noah had.Why is it so important to you that your satan is a god? A creator god?
Why is it so important to you that God must have someone opposing Him?WHY IS HATING GOD SO IMPORTANT TO YOU?Answer – you need an excuse for your sin – Adam blamed Eve – Eve blamed the serpent – and you blame your satan godJewish view – Gnostic view - Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 14:16:59 GMT -5
D" However – that is not what scripture say to me R" How can that be? Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. You say this is just a bustle, not an opponent fighting against another opponent? Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Why are these cherub messengers leaving their first estate and awaiting judgement, like the vengeance of eternal fire? Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Why are these cherub messengers alone with their chief messenger devil/Satan ready to non-exist on the left hand of God? Mt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Why did Jesus speak against the Satan/Devil? You say only the humanity of Jesus spoke. I see Jesus as GOD, I see that that GOD spoke against the Satan/Devil, a creature opposing GOD. D" Nope – there is creation – and ENTROPY is also created indirectly – by the left hand – a by-product / inherent to physical creation R" So ENTROPY is / inherent to physical creation ? How so ? Than GOD is not smart enough to create a perfect world without entropy? Suddenly your GOD is not absolute at all? D" instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biologyR" Really? So GOD programmed yester ra directly into creatures during Creation? Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Why would GOD program a carnal mind that is not subject to the laws of God? 1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? G4559 = ? possibly related to basar (flesh) in Hebrew? Ro 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Scripture tells me the carnal nature of my biology became like that due to sin. D" www.nature.com/articles/s41437-018-0113-yR" You merely posted this to infer that I support evolution, which I do NOT.
I read your article, and it's claims are bogus. Evolution does not exist. By this I mean, that information desirable for a species is gained, not lost, nor spoiled, but the species benefits for gaining useful DNA changes to it's DNA, so that eventually new functions are gained, that were not encoded before, ie, new limbs, new eye functions, new code for decision makings, etc. Such uphill changes to the DNA do not exist. The DNA code is always moving downhill, due to inherent sin process affecting our information in storage. D" The tree = the TREE of KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra
Now man knows the difference between tov and ra
R" OK, so once you know what missing God means, you feel repentant for having missed the powers of God? So baby cannot learn unless it learns to miss the parents instructions? Don't touch. No hot stove, it hurts. So the baby cannot know gnosis, unless it learns to disobey its parents? Question? Why did the other son remain under the Father, while the prodigal Son didn't and wanted to be missing his Father's love, wanted to experience lusty things, etc? Did the other SON not gnosis? Or did the SON who SINNED and later repented only Gnosis? Which of the two Sons, Dave gnosis the most? I have never smoked, never taken drugs, so have I missed something? DO I need to know the difference between having God in my life, or not having God in my life? The Amish people do this don't they, force the 18 yr old to go into the world, and if they come back to them, they must repent and never look back? Does this process really produce sinless strong agents for God? Catholics have a similar thing don't they, if you are having problems with fornication, they say go and have spoils with a prostitute and do all the abominations you can think of, than repent, and finally get rid of this propensity from your soul. Is this how getting rid of evil works? Can't GOD himself come to you, if you ask? Or must you do wrong and sin more, before you fully gnosis? Sure often the serial rapist turns to God more fully than the sinner who hasn't done such bad things, but is this truly the only way to get rid of our sins? Surely the son who didn't request evil from His Dad, was the better supporter of GOD? Yet this son complained of the Father's lavish love over the one who repented? the prodigal. Discuss your gnosis term here. D" Your exaggerated miss-statements do not help your argumentR" OK so how about writing what does help? D" Please don’t twist scripture into a lie on this forumR" Oh sorry, answer this question than? Did God say you can eat of all the trees in the garden? The yellow emperor in China postulates this is a first contradiction against God. Where did such a sly crafty creature asking deceiving questions like this come from? Would you say this type of stuff is inherent in the biology of creation? How so? If that is so why have a serpent for tricking humans? why did the humans just fall into sin by themselves? Something missing in your logic here? RP" OK if the archons were made sinless but developed SELFD" Prove to me that cows are sinful!
D" by the left hand – a by-product / inherent to physical creation
D"instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biology
R" so the archon is just doing what the yester ra is programming the creature to do? become sly, crafty and subtle above all the other creatures? How is this possible? Why doesn't the cow beat humans to death, like the bear can and does? Why do lions eat humans, but the cow who also has yester ra, doesn't? Why are archon creatures better at deceiving humans for no reason at all, just because they can? And if humans have inherent yester ra in us, a intentional product of creation in our biology, why is there a need for preventing humans from eating one tree that leads to sin? After all sin is already embedded in humans, and there is no reason to be deceived by creatures, humans can easily deceive ourselves, can't they? What you have done is remove sin and the origins of sin entirely and place yester ra, the cause of sin, as a inherent product of biology, God intentionally created in us. In fact your God is not able to create sinless human biology at all. Hence why you have another body in mind that is not subject to yester ra, hence is truely sinless and without yester ra. No wonder you long for this body? SO why not just die and receive this spirit body that has no yester ra in it? Why do these yester ra creatures hold creatures in mortal death until they gnosis? Did God really create this additional function for them? Now these creatures play a spirit function after mortal death, so they cannot be compared to the cow, the insect and the lion. The archons have powers over humans upon mortal death. You play word games Dave, your archons are more powerful than you give them credit for? So in your religion, you don't sin at all, your struggle is allowing the yester ra in you over power you, so there is never a time when you can remove this biology, as it's entropy is inheritent within you? Only upon death can your spark go into a sinless spirit body without yester ra, and receive eternal bliss and freedom from RA. Question: Why didn't God create all the creatures with spirit bodies without yester ra in them? That must be possible, since you speak of other bodies available to you even now? The fact the yester ra creature came to Eve to yester ra her, proves Eve had no yester ra in her to begin with. Bingo you have a logic problem with your view Dave. If humans have already yester ra in them, there is no need to test the yester ra, it will come out all by itself? Isn't this true? D" Yes Robert the Tree of Life was there R" OH so now you admit there was a tree of life. D" Yes – the devil – a member of the serpent race R" Where does Scripture say the Devil is a creature kind serpent, a member of the serpent race? The only Hebrew words that speak of OTHER intelligent choosing to sin, and do chata, is the cherub. Not the archon rules of darkness, not some serpent creature either. D" Answer – you need an excuse for your sin – Adam blamed Eve – Eve blamed the serpent – and you blame your satan godR" You desire to remove the SIN and place yester ra sin inherently into the biology of man. So now you can blame God for creating me that way. I can blame Satan the cherub for my sin (which I don't, but could as you say) You blame God (the divine creator) for your yester ra in your biology ( which is the same God who saves you) I see differences here, you don't have sinning and sins to avoid that come from RA relationships. All your ra comes from inheritent byproducts within yourself. Not from relationships gone wrong. This comes from your monotheism idea. God is alone, no relationships with Himself, hence humans are to overcome themselves too, alone. Your religion is based on self, alone with God, not relationships of love. Only love within yourself. You alone overcoming inherent yester ra. My religion is based on relationships, together with God as God loves the members within the Godhead, we strive to make relationships based on love, against others who entice us to make bad relationships with them. The great controversy is over the relationships of other strong powers, the elohiym powers who want to make relationships with us. D" Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: R" Why quote this ? natural death already existed in Adam, now you add spiritual death, because they listened to the yester ra already placed in them? So now Adam received both natural death and spiritual death. The natural death dies because of biology? How come Enoch walked right into heaven, no mention of a change of biology? How come Elijah went into heaven in the same biology too? No change there either? How come those raised to meet Jesus also rise with the 144,000 in their biological bodies with the raised all go to Jesus in heaven, no change of bodies here? Sure some receive a change at the last trump to their bodies to remove the last traces of sin. But you are referring to brand new bodies, bodies you claim you are not sure of, but call a spirit body, obviously without yester ra in it? If God is a god of death and life, than something wrong with your Scripture. Jesus calls the father a god of the living, not the dead. Death either natural or spiritual came only from sin, not inherent creation. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 22, 2021 14:17:35 GMT -5
D"However – that is not what scripture say to me
R" How can that be?
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
You say this is just a bustle, not an opponent fighting against another opponent?
Of course it is one opponent against the other – DUH
The Beast is made with some matter and only thought of (yester ra) does not belong in the heavens – cast out – ejected – kicked out – pushed out – removed from heaven
I say this was not a century’s long conflict that God may or may not win
I say this is not a century’s long conflict that God has difficulty winning
I say this was NO CONTEST – God said get out – and they were kicked out – over – done
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Why are these cherub messengers leaving their first estate and awaiting judgement, like the vengeance of eternal fire?
So – Paus says the archon are our real struggle – You claim they are all locked away in jail
According to you – there is no satanas in the world any more – he is locked away in chains
Sounds like denial of the Beast to me
Jude – the Enoch quoter – is speaking of the bane elohiym of Gen 6
Enoch clearly explains this in detail
D"Nope – there is creation – and ENTROPY is also created indirectly – by the left hand – a by-product / inherent to physical creation
R" So ENTROPY is / inherent to physical creation ? How so ? Than GOD is not smart enough to create a perfect world without entropy? Suddenly your GOD is not absolute at all?
Suddenly – Roman 1:19 and Psa 19:2 become real and proof of the Intelligent Designer
God’s glorious Nature is a witness to the BALANCE established within nature
God’s glorious Nature testifies to even the mathematical laws that govern God’s Nature
1st Law of Thermodynamics - conservation of E
E=mc2 – no matter what happens between (m) and (c2) – E remains the same
E – cannot be created or destroyed – it can only be translated or transmuted
2nd Law of Thermodynamics – Entropy
From the moment (m) and (c2) was separated from the E – they desire to return
From the moment of neg-entropy (creation) – entropy devours and consumes
From the moment things began to expand away from God – time slows, energy wains, the universe get colder
3rd Law of Thermodynamics - equilibrium
Suddenly – Roman 1:19 and Psa 19:2 become real and proof of the Intelligent Designer
Robert calls God’s glorious Nature a flawed word
Yet scripture says
Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—
Rev 4:11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, For You created all things, and because of Your will they existed and were created!”
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen did not come from anything visible.
I say – Nature – is a witness to the Lord
No matter where you look – or when you look – the Hand of God is obviouse to anyone who takes a serious look
Robert calls God’s glorious Nature a flawed word
D"instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biology
R" Really? So GOD programmed yester ra directly into creatures during Creation?
Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply …”
Gen 8:17 Every animal that is with you of all flesh, including the flying creatures, livestock and every crawling creature that crawls on the land, bring out with you, and let them swarm in the land and be fruitful and multiply upon the land.”
D"instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biology
God commanded all the animals to go and be successful as a species – self-preservation – (yester ra)
R" Really? So GOD programmed yester ra directly into creatures during Creation?
So – you think it a sin for an animal to want to stay alive and reproduce
You are sick with your satan worship
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind (yester ra) is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. – (because it only seeks to be successful as a species – self-preservation- (yester ra)
Why would GOD program a carnal mind that is not subject to the laws of God?
because – self-preservation- (yester ra) - = be successful as a species
Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply …”
D"www.nature.com/articles/s41437-018-0113-y
R" You merely posted this to infer that I support evolution, which I do NOT.
Correct – you believe things changed by mutations from natural selection
To you – this is somehow different than things evolved
It is just a word game – to sneak evolution back into the theology sdo your doctrine works
D "The tree = the TREE of KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra
Now man knows the difference between tov and ra
R" OK, so once you know what missing God means, you feel repentant for having missed the powers of God?
So baby cannot learn unless it learns to miss the parents instructions?
Bait and switch – Eve did not learn until she disobey
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Eve – Adam – man – is a metaphor for every man / any man / all mankind
We are all Eve
Don't touch. No hot stove, it hurts.
So the baby cannot know gnosis, unless it learns to disobey its parents?
Correct – the baby can believe it is hot, think it hot (Eve didn’t know what that meant) – but gnosis is FACT
Question? Why did the other son remain under the Father, while the prodigal Son didn't and wanted to be missing his Father's love, wanted to experience lusty things, etc? Did the other SON not gnosis? Or did the SON who SINNED and later repented only Gnosis? Which of the two Sons, Dave gnosis the most?
It is so surprising that you say you grew up in a Christian environment but do not understand the story of the Prodigal Son
Why did the other son remain under the Father, while the prodigal Son didn't
Answer – The Son that left – left to Jer 1:5
wanted to be missing his Father's love, wanted to experience lusty things, etc?
Answer – wanting to serve the Lord by doing Jer 1:5 - it ist hard being an animal and not be attracted to the reality of (yester ra)
Did the other SON not gnosis? Or did the SON who SINNED and later repented only Gnosis?
DUH – the Son that stayed home with the Father is in the presence of the Father – of course he gnosis
The son that sinned and repented – walked as an animal to Jer 1:5
His witness caused him to return to the Father by his own FREE WILL – his own choice
The son that returns – returns with remembered gnosis – genuine gnosis – and is rewarded
Why is he rewarded – we are judge by our Deeds, WORKS, (Jer 1:5) and the FRUIT it reaps
I have never smoked, never taken drugs, so have I missed something? DO I need to know the difference between having God in my life, or not having God in my life?
So you are saying – you have never sinned – you have never done or said anything you later needed to atone for?
Has your conscious even made you feel guilty about anything at all – why?
The Amish people do this don't they, force the 18 yr old to go into the world, and if they come back to them, they must repent and never look back? Does this process really produce sinless strong agents for God?
YES – they do – in a way
But ‘Room Springa’ is not exactly understood by the non-Amish
Once you take the vow – one fall and your out – shunned
So if you want to smoke- get drunk – drive fast – you better do it now BEFORE YOUR VOW
D "Your exaggerated miss-statements do not help your argument
R" OK so how about writing what does help?
R" Oh sorry, answer this question than?
Did God say you can eat of all the trees in the garden?
YES -
Gen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat.
YES – Eve was allowed to eat of The Tree of Knowledge between tov and ra
Or any tree she chose
The yellow emperor in China postulates this is a first contradiction against God.
What is?
Where did such a sly crafty creature asking deceiving questions like this come from?
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon
Rev 12:9 …—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. …
R" so the archon is just doing what the yester ra is programming the creature to do?
become sly, crafty and subtle above all the other creatures?
Become? – How about created sly, crafty and subtle above all the other creatures?
How is this possible? Why doesn't the cow beat humans to death, like the bear can and does? Why do lions eat humans, but the cow who also has yester ra, doesn't? Why are archon creatures better at deceiving humans for no reason at all, just because they can?
DUH – why doesn’t an ant act like an elephant? – why doesn’t a fish act like a bird?
I do not know Robert why – it seems that each species is created different for a different function within creation
And if humans have inherent yester ra in us, a intentional product of creation in our biology, why is there a need for preventing humans from eating one tree that leads to sin?
Sorry Robert – you have been miss-representing scripture so long that you do not know scripture
The TREE LEAD TO KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra – NOT SIN
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
The TREE LEAD TO KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra – KNOWLEDGE of the LAW - NOT SIN
The sin is not the tree – or the knowledge – sin is the choice
What you have done is remove sin and the origins of sin entirely and place yester ra, the cause of sin, as a inherent product of biology, God intentionally created in us.
Man = (yester ra biology) + (yester tov – spirit) - this is the FREE WILL choice
In fact your God is not able to create sinless human biology at all.
Enoch and Elijah prove you wrong
Hence why you have another body in mind that is not subject to yester ra, hence is truely sinless and without yester ra.
Man = spirit + biology – there are two deaths = a mortal death and a spiritual death
You deny the spirit
SO why not just die and receive this spirit body that has no yester ra in it?
Receive? – You are spirit – you have always been spirit
So why don’t we just die? – Because we cannot do our assigned work if we are not here
So in your religion, you don't sin at all,
You are just being as ASS and you know it – Oh how I long for a serious conversation!
Question: Why didn't God create all the creatures with spirit bodies without yester ra in them?
Heavenly beings are not biology – they are ethereal – spirit bodies
Angels are spirit bodies – they are ethereal
Man – as a member of the host in heaven – is not biology – we are changed
Robert denies scripture
How do creatures achieve – ‘go forth and be fruitful and multiply’ – without the programming for self-preservation?
The fact the yester ra creature came to Eve to yester ra her, proves Eve had no yester ra in her to begin with.
Robert logic – (yester ra) never existed until Eve choose it
Eve had only one choice you say – (yester tov) – if this was her only choice – how could she choose (yester ra)
Officer – the gun appeared in my hand – after I used it
Bingo you have a logic problem with your view Dave.
If humans have already yester ra in them, there is no need to test the yester ra, it will come out all by itself? Isn't this true?
Yep – Rom 5:12 – all men are sinners by nature – I can quote many verses
D"Yes – the devil – a member of the serpent race
R" Where does Scripture say the Devil is a creature kind serpent, a member of the serpent race?
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world.
I accept scripture – you are trying your best to deny scripture to protect your satan god
D"Answer – you need an excuse for your sin – Adam blamed Eve – Eve blamed the serpent – and you blame your satan god
R" You desire to remove the SIN and place yester ra sin inherently into the biology of man. So now you can blame God for creating me that way.
You blame God (the divine creator) for your yester ra in your biology (which is the same God who saves you)
God created man and gave him the FREE WILL choice
Is God to blame for giving man FREE WILL – yes
Robert sees it as a curse – Dave see it as an amazing gift – the ability to devote our lives to the Holy Spirit is something other animal cannot do
This comes from your monotheism idea.
YES – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD!
All attempts to argue otherwise is always going to meet with condemnation on this forum
God is alone, no relationships with Himself,
I have no idea what you mean – you do not have a relationship with yourself
Is this more Robert Logic
Your religion is based on self, alone with God, not relationships of love. Only love within yourself. You alone overcoming inherent yester ra.
Why do you deny scripture?
You cannot do it on your own
Mat 19:26 And looking, Yeshua said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not from yourselves—it is the gift of God.
Eph 2:9 It is not based on deeds, so that no one may boast.
Act 16:30 … “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Act 16:31 They said, “Put your trust in the Lord Yeshua and you will be saved—you and your household!”
Why do you deny scripture?
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 5:24 “Amen, amen I tell you, whoever hears My word and trusts the One who sent Me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed over from death into life.
Rom 10:9 For if you confess with your mouth that Yeshua is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart it is believed for righteousness, and with the mouth it is confessed for salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever trusts in Him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all—richly generous to all who call on Him.
My religion is based on relationships, together with God as God loves the members within the Godhead,
Yes you have a pantheon of Gods – an abomination to all Jews and ALL Christians
You have a different religion than Judaism or messianic Judaism – which is True Christianity
D"Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
R" Why quote this ? natural death already existed in Adam
BECAUSE THAT ONE MAN – SINNED – DUH
Because Adam and Eve were the only animals created with the potential to live forever
As Enoch and Elijah prove – no mortal death – just straight into heaven
BECAUSE THAT ONE MAN – SINNED – PROVING ALL MEN ARE SINNERS
The natural death dies because of biology? How come Enoch waled right into heaven, no mention of a change of biology?
You talk of Enoch – without reading it – academic honesty
His earthy clothing was exchanged for heavenly garments
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:38:48 GMT -5
D" The Beast is made with some matter and only thought of (yester ra) does not belong in the heavens – cast out – ejected – kicked out – pushed out – removed from heavenR" You stated earlier that all the creatures of Creatures, including the archon beast, were embedded with yester ra in the biology of their minds. The cows, the archons, the sharks and the humans. So it seems any creature with embedded yester ra in their biology is not allowed in heaven, where all creatures have ethereal bodies that do not have embedded yester ra in them. Is this thinking correct? If that is so why did God create such creatures to begin with? Even the cow , the shark and the human woudl be banished from heaven too for having yester ra in their biology, because in time they too think of self. Can't your god make a creature without yester ra in the biology? Is anything too hard for the Lord? D" You claim they are all locked away in jailR" Scripture does not say all cherub messengers are locked away in prison on earth, only many are. I note you insist in striking the word cherub out. Don't you like Rabbi Apple and Rabbi Moses Maimonides declaring the cherub function as both guardians and as messengers for the Lord? You don't agree with some Jews, only the Jews you agree with, who say the cherub and the messengers are different angelic classes? D" Suddenly – Roman 1:19 and Psa 19:2 become real and proof of the Intelligent Designer
Ro 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Ps 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.R" These do not mention your inherent entropy view Dave. 1st Law of Thermodynamics - conservation of EE=mc2 – no matter what happens between (m) and (c2) – E remains the sameE – cannot be created or destroyed – it can only be translated or transmuted2nd Law of Thermodynamics – EntropyFrom the moment (m) and (c2) was separated from the E – they desire to returnFrom the moment of neg-entropy (creation) – entropy devours and consumesFrom the moment things began to expand away from God – time slows, energy wains, the universe get colder3rd Law of Thermodynamics - equilibriumR" So your god view goes like this:-
So your god view has M expressions and C2 expressions that return to the E expression? Arn't you saying GOD is therefore in natural M and natural C2? I quote from Dr Kellogg "Dr Kellogg further elaborated these ideas in his book The Living Temple (1903): There is a clear, complete, satisfactory explanation of the most subtle, the most marvelous phenomena of nature, – namely, an infinite Intelligence working out its purposes. God is the explanation of nature, – not a God outside of nature, but in nature, manifesting himself through and in all the objects, movements, and varied phenomena of the universe. ... The tree does not create itself; a creative power is constantly going forward in it. Buds and leaves come forth from within the tree ... So there is present in the tree a power which creates and maintains it, a tree-maker in the tree, a flower-maker in the flower, – a divine architect who understands every law of proportion, an infinite artist who possesses a limitless power of expression in color and form; there is, in all the world about us, an infinite, divine, though invisible Presence, to which the unenlightened may be blind, but which is ever declaring itself by its ceaseless, beneficent activity.[31]
At the same time that Kellogg defended the presence of God in nature against secularization, his co-religionists saw his descriptions of the presence of God in nature as evidence of panentheistic tendencies (Everything is in God).[32] Kellogg rejected their religious criticisms, asserting that his views on indwelling divinity were simply a restatement of the omnipresence of God, and not pantheism."
Dave are your views similar to pantheism? D" From the moment of neg-entropy (creation) – entropy devours and consumesR" Are you suggesting the M expression of God and the M neg-entropy of God devour eat other? Please explain. I don't follow you and I do not wish to misquote you. Isn't it simple just to have an absolute GOD who creates all things in TOV, not in RA in any form. No entrophy, no friction and no chaos? My view may seem utopia, but it's easier to behold and that SIN caused the negative aspects you speak of. D" Robert calls God’s glorious Nature a flawed wordR" Who is misquoting me now, ?? Gnosticism strongest pull away from the Christian view Dave, at you full well know, is the idea that GOD created a flawed world intentionally. I do not support this idea. God created a perfect world for Adam, no entrophy, no friction, no chaos in it. After Adam sinned when God cursed His Creation, did these negative things come in, and the world began to wear out and run down. Despite the curse of sin, God's world is still glorious and beautiful. Even snow, as I wrote before, that came from RA, is still beautiful and unique flakes witness of a God who cares even while the earth is experiencing the curse of sin, God still cares.
RP"" Really? So GOD programmed yester ra directly into creatures during Creation?D" Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply …”
D"instinctive need for self-preservation (yester ra) is programmed in every biology
D" God commanded all the animals to go and be successful as a species – self-preservation – (yester ra)
RP"" Really? So GOD programmed yester ra directly into creatures during Creation?D" So – you think it a sin for an animal to want to stay alive and reproduce
You are sick with your satan worship
R" No Dave I am not sick with satan worship. You are sick with GOD creating SIN (yester ra - word game) into all the creatures of creature, and you dare to not call it sin, only self-preservation – (yester ra). I feel sorry for you, thinking GOD cannot make creatures without free will, and intelligence to serve GHod with love and a response to His love. Even the birds have intelligence to sing melody to God, not some instinct self-preservation – (yester ra) you speak of. How dare you rubbish God's ability to create perfect creatures who freely love God and sing praises to God. There was no self-preservation – (yester ra) in any of the animals, including humans in the original Creation. All creatures were perfect and very good. D "Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind (yester ra) is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. – (because it only seeks to be successful as a species – self-preservation- (yester ra)RP" Why would GOD program a carnal mind that is not subject to the laws of God?D" because – self-preservation- (yester ra) - = be successful as a species
Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply …”R" I feel sorry for you Dave, you worship a weak God that intentionally embedded sinning in all His creatures of Creation, the cow, the shark and the archon beast as well as the humans. Can't your weak God create some other creation without self-preservation- (yester ra) emedded in it? Who needs self-preservation- (yester ra) anyhow? DP" www.nature.com/articles/s41437-018-0113-yRP" You merely posted this to infer that I support evolution, which I do NOT.D" Correct – you believe things changed by mutations from natural selectionR" Mis quote me again, ... I already told you to do not support evolution, I do not support ideas of uphill gaining information by mutations or natural selection. Mutations only spoil the holy words embedded in the DNA. Natural selection was a Creationist term too where creatures struggle to survive and adapt to the SINNING world they live in, hence the ones that survive with certain holy words in the DNA for surviving, hence survive, The ones without the ability of holy words already written since Creation, do not survive, die. And since the evolutionists hijacked our process, we cannot use the term "natural selection" hence we don't. Am I clear on this Dave? Ask me further questions if you wish, but God's creations was written with the holy words embedded in the DNA from the beginning of their creations, nothing is added to it. All that happens is the information is lost and spoiled as animals progress in time. No words making things better is ever gained by any process. Get my drift? D" It is just a word game – to sneak evolution back into the theology R" In a nutshell, NO Dave. I do not support evolution in any form OK? RP" So the baby cannot know gnosis, unless it learns to disobey its parents?D" Correct – the baby can believe it is hot, think it hot (Eve didn’t know what that meant) – but gnosis is FACTR" AM I reading you correctly? You are saying unless a creature embedded with yester ra, SINS, it cannot gnosis the LORD as a sinless being? In other words GOD wanted his creation to SIN intentionally so they (the humans) would understand the idea to repent and return to GOD? Is that in essence what you Gnosis means? The baby cannot know the hot stove is bad unless it feels the burning heat? So sins, to experience the truth in the words of the parent? Dave say " Correct – the baby can believe it is hot, think it hot (Eve didn’t know..) – but gnosis is FACT
D" DUH – the Son that stayed home with the Father is in the presence of the Father – of course he gnosis
The son that sinned and repented – walked as an animal to Jer 1:5
His witness caused him to return to the Father by his own FREE WILL – his own choice
The son that returns – returns with remembered gnosis – genuine gnosis – and is rewarded
Why is he rewarded – we are judge by our Deeds, WORKS, (Jer 1:5) and the FRUIT it reapsR" And the SON that didn't leave His Father? Dave? no comments about him? " It is so surprising that you say you grew up in a Christian environment but do not understand the story of the SON who didn't leave His Father"? So the SON who didn't leave His Father has lesser gnosis Dave? His gnosis was flawed because he never experienced sin, and he never lusted , he never did adultery and never did fornication and the SON who stayed with His Father never killed any humans? His gnosis is somehow empty because he never experienced those yester ra things, the journey of Jer 1:5? Any comments Dave? I think you are sick with yester ra ? You worship a god of yester ra, because your god created yester ra in all humans, so humans can experience sin and one day know what sin is and thus return to God who created the sin in the first place. Yester ra is never a saviour Dave, nor is yester ra a point where one returns to God. You are sick with your yester ra. Pr 26:11 ¶ As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Isa 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit. Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. 2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (KJV) The pig returns to the mud of yester ra, the dog returns to the food of yester ra. Yester ra is never a saviour, nor does doing yester ra EVER cause a creature to come to it's senses. Your logic is so wrong Dave. Gnosis does not exist if this is how you define it. Doing evil never makes a person return to doing good. Never. And to make it worse you have a GOD who intentionally created creatures to SIN. I feel sorry for you. Yester ra word game SIN, God never created sin in creatures, God never created yester ra either. You are so wrong in your views. When God created the holy words of life in all the creatures, those words in the DNA are perfect without flaws and never includes the ability to think yester ra. You worship a god who cannot create holy words in the DNA that guarentee living perfect lives. You have sharks that eat and kill, and decomposers who eat dead things, and entropy that robs God of His powers. And you dare to declare all this is very good, natural and fine and dandy to you. D" So you are saying – you have never sinned – you have never done or said anything you later needed to atone for?R" No I am saying I do not need to take drugs to experience an out of body experience. I do not need to smoke to experience the high from nicotine. I get high from sucrose just fine. I have an out of body experience on eating fat and sugar. Who needs more ra in one's life? Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Dave would say Yes, if we sin we can begin to gnosis, and repent. And unless you sin you cannot know what repenting is. My prayers each day Dave is not Lord forgive me from doing adultery to that woman today, but rather Lord I am sorry I did not control my tongue or claim the words of power you wrote. I used my own words, rather than your words. Indeed help me in stress to support you correctly. Our fight to gnosis is not a fight against sinning, the yester ra you claim. No 1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of amanuah, Funny you never wished to discuss amanuah, we fight faith, not sins Dave in the Christian life. The SON who never left His Father had more genuine gnosis than the SON who fell into SIN. Both have to daily fight the good fight of amanuah. The Son who left hated this idea of amanuah and so wanted to serve self. He thought he could live a life without amanuah on his own, and doing this caused him to fall. You focus your religion one the wrong SON. The SON who never stopped amanuah never left His Father because his love was genuine and true. The prodigal stopped loving His Father, and later went back to loving His Father. D "YES – they do – in a way
But ‘Room Springa’ is not exactly understood by the non-Amish
Once you take the vow – one fall and your out – shunned
So if you want to smoke- get drunk – drive fast – you better do it now BEFORE YOUR VOWR" OK Dave. But does does this process work? Would it work for eternity? Does sinning guarantee you will never sin again? RP" D id God say you can eat of all the trees in the garden?D" YES -
Gen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat.
YES – Eve was allowed to eat of The Tree of Knowledge between tov and ra
Or any tree she choseR" Why do you post half a sentence of speech? " Did God say you can eat of all the trees in the garden? Rob's answer NO. Dave's answer YES. Ge 2:16, 17 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, BUT of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." ONE tree fruit you are not allowed to eat, all other trees you can eat. D" DUH – why doesn’t an ant act like an elephant? – why doesn’t a fish act like a bird?
I do not know Robert why – it seems that each species is created different for a different function within creationR" Than Dave, your notion of yester ra in all creatures is false. Better to say some species ran downhill in the curse more than others, due the the holy words they had to begin with before the curse of Creation when Adam sinned. D" The TREE LEAD TO KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra – NOT SINR" That's funny I thought eating the fruit of the forbidden tree was defined to be the original sin, nothing to do with gaining knowledge. How is disobedience gaining knowledge? D" The TREE LEAD TO KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra – KNOWLEDGE of the LAW - NOT SIN - The sin is not the tree – or the knowledge – sin is the choiceR" You do not read your Bible very well. Can't you read Greek/ Hebrew? Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Explain the Hebrew behind the TWO greek words here "hamartia" and "hamartano" I will give you my two pennies, since I am no expert, but you are Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chataah entered into the world, and death by chataah; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have chata: These two Hebrew words have different meanings, slightly different. Jeff benner explains. The only law that came in when Adam sinned was the ceremonial laws of sin-offering (chataah) the salvation laws of forgiveness. Not the moral laws that defined chata and the penalty for chata. Eating of the fruit God explained would cause you to cease to exist. The law already existed period. Proof the moral law already existed. ------------------ Question: Why didn't God create all the creatures with spirit bodies without yester ra in them?D" Heavenly beings are not biology – they are ethereal – spirit bodies
Angels are spirit bodies – they are ethereal
Man – as a member of the host in heaven – is not biology – we are changed
Robert denies scripture
How do creatures achieve – ‘go forth and be fruitful and multiply’ – without the programming for self-preservation?R" you didn't answer my question? Why can't ethereal bodies go forth and multiply? Why must God put up with neg entropy as you claim? Can't one multiply without neg entrophy? Your God seems to have limits doesn't he? RP " The fact the yester ra creature came to Eve to yester ra her, proves Eve had no yester ra in her to begin with.D" Robert logic – (yester ra) never existed until Eve choose itR" Isn't that what free will is? choice, than comes the yester ra from choice? RP " If humans have already yester ra in them, there is no need to test the yester ra, it will come out all by itself? Isn't this true?D" Yep – Rom 5:12 – all men are sinners by nature – I can quote many versesR" SO why the need for archon testing us if the humans are quite capable of testing themselves to sin? Why have two trees in the garden, is the yester ra was already inside Adam and Eve? Your saying the other tree was just knowledge of disobedience. And humans had to experience disobedience as a part of their complete love reponse? Is that what gnosis is all about? experience disobedience? So it was God's plan to sacrifice His Son for love all along? and God was asking Eve to choose this SO God could respond with more love? I would call this thinking sick. You are sick with thinking like this. I am grateful God laid down his life for me, but I did not wish this love response. So learning to drown and having somebody resuce me causes me to love the saviour more? Does it? The more I sin the more I love my saviour more? Scripture does suggest this idea? Lu 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. But it is true? Or a play on false attitudes of Simeon? How many sins does it take to love much? One, not many. How many sins did Adam do ? One. Not as Jews says had sex with Lilith for hundreds of years. D" You talk of Enoch – without reading it – academic honesty
His earthy clothing was exchanged for heavenly garmentsR" please quote from Book of Enoch showing that the earthly garment is His earthly body and that getting heavenly garments is exchanging his old body for this ethereal body you speak of? You going against the Jew idea in Scripture, a commoner coming to the King was clothed in rich clothes to see the King and eat at His table. The king did not change the body of the commoner. Wrong idiom meaning. Mt 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 22, 2021 23:19:25 GMT -5
D"The Beast is made with some matter and only thought of (yester ra) does not belong in the heavens – cast out – ejected – kicked out – pushed out – removed from heaven R" You stated earlier that all the creatures of Creatures, including the archon beast, were embedded with yester ra in the biology of their minds. The cows, the archons, the sharks and the humans. So it seems any creature with embedded yester ra in their biology is not allowed in heaven, where all creatures have ethereal bodies that do not have embedded yester ra in them. Is this thinking correct? In a strange way – Correct(yester ra) is inherent to biology – necessary for the survival of the species – necessary to ‘go forth be fruitful and multiply’ All creatures made with matter (biology) come with the instinct to survive – self-preservation (yester ra) (yester ra) is not evil – it is selfish – want, lust, greed, desire, covertness, SEX, all come with biology So it seems any creature with embedded yester ra in their biology is not allowed in heaven, where all creatures have ethereal bodies that do not have embedded yester ra in them. Is this thinking correct?Rom 8:7 For the mindset of the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not submit itself to the law of God—for it cannot. Rom 8:8 So those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last shofar. For the shofar will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruptibility , and this mortal must put on immortality. No 3D biology in heaven - we shall all be changed
What exactly is an ethereal body? – I do not know – no onw does – because it has not yet been revealed!1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. Can't your god make a creature without yester ra in the biology? Is anything too hard for the Lord?Nothing is too hard for the Lord
He could make pink elephants that fly – but He didn’t
Why? Ask God.Why did God create the WORLD – and all that is in it?www.gotquestions.org/why-did-God-create-the-world.htmlThe biblical evidence suggests that the glory of God is the reason why God created everything, including the earth. In his work “A Dissertation Concerning the End for Which God Created the World,” Jonathan Edwards puts it like this: “It appears reasonable to suppose, that it was God’s last end, that there might be a glorious and abundant emanation of his infinite fullness of good ad extra, or without himself; and that the disposition to communicate himself, or diffuse his own FULLNESS, was what moved him to create the world” (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol 1, Banner of Truth, 2005, Chapter I, Section II).
On this subject, Proverbs 16:4 simply says, “The LORD has made all for Himself” (KJV).Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. By Him – For Him!Isa 45:18 For thus says Adonai—He is God who fashioned the heavens, who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it desolate but formed it to be inhabited—“I am Adonai—there is no other!” If you are a JW – this verse proves the WORLD was made for man – ‘formed it to be inhabited’If that is so why did God create such creatures to begin with?Other verses that support God’s glory being the reasonRom 11:36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen. Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for God—for whom and through whom all things exist—in leading many sons to glory, to perfect through sufferings the initiator of their salvation. “Prodigal Sons” – the reaping of the Harvest Other verses that support God’s glory being the reasonGnostic - Authoritative TeachingAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worldjewishencyclopedia.com/articles/758-adamJewish – why did God create Adam - He was then placed in a garden planted for him in Eden, to "till and tend it." + Jer 1:5Why did God create Roberts flawed WORLD – with nature Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? Job 12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Job 12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. R" These do not mention your inherent entropy view Dave.Now you want to claim there is no ra in nature – no entropy in atureD"You claim they are all locked away in jail
R" Scripture does not say all cherub messengers are locked away in prison on earth, only many are.Jud 1:6 And the angels—who did not keep their own position of authority but deserted their proper place—He has kept in everlasting shackles under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great Day. You claim this verse is about Rev 12 – the ‘Fallen Angels’Double speak – flip flop I say this verse is about the Gigori of Gen 6 I note you insist in striking the word cherub out. Don't you like Rabbi Apple and Rabbi Moses Maimonides declaring the cherub function as both guardians and as messengers for the Lord? You don't agree with some Jews, only the Jews you agree with, who say the cherub and the messengers are different angelic classes? Again and again cherubs can be angels (messengers) or menExk 28 is all about a man – Adam – who is every men / any man / mankind – King of TyreI quote from Dr Kellogg
"Dr Kellogg further elaborated these ideas in his book The Living Temple (1903):
Dave are your views similar to pantheism?Sorry Robert – there is Only one True GodHe created other creatures as part of His creation
Each creature – ethereal or physical is a unique and independent individualYou are the one who claims man is just the HS driven biologyIsn't it simple just to have an absolute GOD who creates all things in TOV, not in RA in any form. No entrophy, no friction and no chaos?
Can't your god make a creature without yester ra in the biology? Is anything too hard for the Lord?Nothing is too hard for the Lord
He could make pink elephants that fly – but He didn’t
Why? Ask God.D"Robert calls God’s glorious Nature a flawed word R" Who is misquoting me now, ??
After Adam sinned when God cursed His Creation, did these negative things come in, and the world began to wear out and run down. Despite the curse of sin, God's world is still glorious and beautiful.Whatever Robert - Even snow, as I wrote before, that came from RA, D"Robert calls God’s glorious Nature a flawed wordR" Who is misquoting me now, ??Whatever Robert –RP" So the baby cannot know gnosis, unless it learns to disobey its parents?
D" Correct – the baby can believe it is hot, think it hot (Eve didn’t know what that meant) – but gnosis is FACT
R" AM I reading you correctly? You are saying unless a creature embedded with yester ra, SINS, it cannot gnosis the LORD as a sinless being? You are being an ASS and you know itBelief = belief in something you hope is true Gnosis = knowing something as fact D"DUH – the Son that stayed home with the Father is in the presence of the Father – of course he gnosis
The son that sinned and repented – walked as an animal to Jer 1:5
His witness caused him to return to the Father by his own FREE WILL – his own choice
The son that returns – returns with remembered gnosis – genuine gnosis – and is rewarded
Why is he rewarded – we are judge by our Deeds, WORKS, (Jer 1:5) and the FRUIT it reapsR" And the SON that didn't leave His Father? Dave? no comments about himAcademic Honesty Robert – do you have any?D"DUH – the Son that stayed home with the Father is in the presence of the Father – of course he gnosisDave would say Yes, if we sin we can begin to gnosis, and repent. THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER |
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Post by Dave on Oct 23, 2021 6:16:49 GMT -5
Robert – your respect is notedYou have proven that you will say anything disrespectful – or deliberately cantankerous just to be an ASS You are not engaged in a serious discussion – you just repeat the same anti-Christian garbage You deliberately argue against everything and anything ChristianYou deny there is Only One True God – you have a pantheon of 4 gods – 3 tov gods in a family unit and a god of ra Your view is pagan and is an abominationThe whole point of Christianity is the salvation of the soul – you deny man has a soul – no spirit in man - you teach salvation of the flesh/biologyYour view is pagan and is an abominationThe whole point of Christianity is so that man can have a spiritual relationship with the Lord You deny such a thing is possible – you mock the spirit – you claim many of those Bible stories were just stories You absolutly deny Pentacostalism - yet you use them to support your position?Double Speak - Flip Flop Your view is pagan and is an abominationYou elevate your satan angel to godhood – give satan the credit for all of God’s creation Your satan god is able to change God’s Plan against God’s Will Go away and continue to praise your satan god somewhere elseI know who you are Your only effort here is to corrupt and tear down – your respect is noted Precept upon precept, line upon lineNo one ever believed in your satan god - until Rome invented himYour SDA version of Catholic doctrine is satan worship
Two gods locked in an eternal controversy that your family of 3 elohiym gods cannot win It is a completely different religion with different gods than Judaism or Messanic Judaism - which is real Chriatianity------------ RP "If humans have already yester ra in them, there is no need to test the yester ra, it will come out all by itself? Isn't this true?D" Yep – Rom 5:12 – all men are sinners by nature – I can quote many versesR" SO why the need for archon testing us if the humans are quite capable of testing themselves to sin?Absolutley Correct - there is absolutley no need for your god of evil(yester ra) = desire, lust, greed, power, wealth - things of the WORLD The archon are just other creatures in the WORLD with us -interfearing with us The only things the devil had to offer Jesus in the wilderness = the WORLD - things of the WORLD Robert is also focused upon the WORLD - he is afrais to eat or drink and is so worried about vaccines and his governemt and how satan ruled every man - for him it all about his body - purity of body. Robert is so focused upon the WORLD - that he denies the divinity of Christ
Robert says there is absolutley no way Jesus Christ can be his god[Col 1:15; He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.; Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. Jews and Christians believe - scriptute - John 1 God=HS=Christ - there is ONLY ONE TRUE GODRobert says man has no spirit - is in absolute denial - he says it is all about his body of fleshRom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Ecc 12:7 Then the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— Jews say - From God we came - and to God we returnChristians say - salvation of the soul/spirit is the promise/rewardRobert denies it all to focuse upon the body - flesh - WORLDAnd he denies it all to protect the identiy of his satan god - while trying to deny our real struggel as Chriatians as described by Paul - Principalities / archon and powers wicked invisible powers It is obviouse who Robert is - and which god is his focus
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 16:25:00 GMT -5
Greetings Dave, you hardly answered any of my major points from my last post. In fact you say this conversation is over. You say God has no biology with embedded yester ra in heaven. I asked to you to prove this idea from Book of Enoch even, but you refused. You claim changing one's garments is changing our biological body. I asked you to prove this idea, and while you posted lots of verses, I see no differences to challenge our views and their differences. Hence you have no proof, and I could present you no proof either. It's a stall mate. My biggest proof is Jesus rose with the same old biological human body he had, with scars over it, Thomas saw. Jesus also ate fish before them. He told them he was no "ghost". Yet his biological body had wonders our biological body doesn't have, like walking through walls. Moses too in vision with God ate no food, drank no water for 40 days and nights. Our prophet Ellen White never breathed air for 2 hours whilst in vision also. I get the impression God can do anything with biological bodies, so your claim we had inherent embedded yester ra in us before Adam sinned, is bogus. In fact you worship a God who created embedded sinning (word game yester ra) in humans from Creation. I do not support this idea at all. Human became sinners. Humans were created perfect and sinless. Your view is humans were created intentionally flawed, with a fallen nature even before they sinned. In the SDA world the idea of any traces of RA is a fallen world, and any traces of RA in humans, such as you so called yester ra in humans before they sinned, means humans were born during Genesis with a fallen nature. You also say animals are born with a fallen nature. In fact you say the entire universe is created with a fallen nature. I summarize your views in SDA understanding. You worship a god that cannot make mankind or animals or even a universe without perfection, somehow the entire universe is fallen. --------------------- Second since sin is embedded within our biology, you do not have sinning agents tempting us to sin. In fact such archons are not necessary as humans can sin by themselves without Satan or other archon creatures tempting humans to sin. And you agree with this idea? So why did Jesus come to over throw the prince of this world? Why did Jesus say concerning the archons, they will find nothing in me amiss? Why make a big deal about archons if they are mere creatures with yester ra like humans are? Why did Jesus say to the devil/satan/archon to go away? Why did the archon demand Jesus to worship it? These are not the mere play of animals tempting humans? More to it than that? You fail to notice the war on earth. Why is the archon written as a roaring lion seeking to whom he may devour? Strong language don't you think? ----------------------- I also asked you about the SON that did amanuah daily to His Father, never left loving His Father, thus showed stronger gnosis than the SON who hated the idea of daily amanuah to His Father, want to experience missing His Father's powers in his life, thus wanted to sin, disobey His Father, and leave His Father. This only thing this wicked Son achieved, was the moving love of the Father seeking to have the lost Son back. And you say this prodigal Son achieved more genuine gnosis than the SON who never left His Father, and always love His Father. I would disagree with you . It is not necessary to know an evil to experience that evil. I do not have to smoke a cigarette to know the evil of the cigarette. You reasoning is flawed. I do not have to sexually rape a person in order to experience fornication thrills. You can get such thrills from porn just fine, and in fact the imaginary sin is just as powerful as the literal sin. The brain cannot tell the difference. I do not have to steal money from a bank to experience gambling at it's finest. You can experience gambling by just playing the pokies. You can experience stealing by shoplifting. You can experience stealing simply by speaking lies to Eve in the garden, that is stealing truth from another person. It is impossible to please GOD unless you have amanuah. Hebrews 11:6 You do not understand this idea. To you, you have to experience yester ra in order to experience yester tov. This idea is false. Amanuah has nothing to do with yester ra or yester tov. The only reason Eve sinned in the first place is because the relationship she listened to made four contradictions, in other words the archon was sinning to get Eve also to sin. The first contradiction is "Did God not say you can eat of all the trees in the garden"? Because this is a contradiction, the woman replies with a contradiction. You cannot touch the forbidden fruit also. Such is the notion of SIN, it begin with relationships that make contradictions. Is there another example of the same creature making a contradiction directly against God? Yes. Does Job fear God for nothing? You protect Him (from me) with a hedge. There are at least two contradictions here. Why does God protect humans who seek salvation? Protect from whom? If the archons is just the same as a cow, a lion and a snake, with yester ra, why the need for salvation to protect the human? Second contradiction, why does love require rewards? Love does not require a reward? That is a lie from this being contradicting God. Love does not require a reward! So Job only loves because Job gets blessing? Is that what God is ? A giver of nice gifts? There is much more to the archon story you miss Dave, it is not just a prosecutor prosecuting. Such a notion is silly to begin with, after all there is no need for such a being if man is quite capable of sinning by himself. In fact this is a poor excuse to whittle away the true nature of Job. Your website attracted me, but also failed to answer your question " Why did Jesus have to die?" spiritualsprings.org/ss-1326.htm Why did Jesus have to die? I answer this question, no religion answers this question. Ellen White comes close, but doesn't answer because the SDA creed lacks full discoveries. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Here is the answer here. If any mischief follow. This requires a creature doing mischief. It also follows the creature must choose to do mischief, using it's own free intelligence to do this act. Not some inherent program embedded within the biology as you claim. "O Lord I am sorry I didn't mean to murder Abel, it was the embedded yester ra you placed in me that over took me, and made me do it"? What a lame excuse. Your view is bogus, false. Some creature did mischief on purpose. Not because it was programmed to cause mischief, as if GOD wanted the mischief to happen to bring about His glory as you claim. "O Father my embedded yester ra you placed in me, is wanting me to no longer want to follow you anymore, so I must leave you". Oh says the Father. OK. So Dad, sells his assets and gives the half to this wayward demanding son. Question : If yester ra is embedded in the biology, where is the free will ? You don't have free will that chooses to disobey, you have instead the program to disobey, given time, a time bomb. There is no boundary process, what science calls a activation step before a reaction occurs. Instead if yester ra is already embedded in the human, there is no reactivation step in the free will, in fact you have no free will at all, just a time bomb in which the mind will automatically decide to to yester ra, in that which it is programmed to do. Your whole logic is embedded with no free will at all, you have a time bomb of the program as the propensity is taking over the mind and doing a SIN because it is programmed to achieve this. In fact you worship a GOD who created fallen natures to begin with. Can't your God create free will? Or must you have yester ra already in Adam and Eve? What is free will Dave? Its a choice. But having programmed yester ra already in us, is no choice. You have the sin and the propensities of sin, already in the biology. Before the human has made that choice. Than you have no free will, because the result of that choice is already in the human? And when I push you too hard, you just say " Whatever Robert" and refuse to discuss your logic behind your view? As a programmer, I can't program free will in a neural network. In fact free will can't be explained by programming. Disobedience cannot be programmed in any neural network. Such a notion at best is only emulated using complex programmed code. Our biology is wonderfully and fearfully made. Beyond understanding, so stop trying to place it in a box to fit your view. Now I read God created everything " very good", you say God created everything with a fallen perfection in mind. A flawed world is another word game. A fallen universe, another word game. So God can't create utopia? Obviously not. Suddenly your God is no longer absolute but has limits. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 23, 2021 19:15:15 GMT -5
Greetings Dave, you hardly answered any of my major points from my last post.THERE IS NO NEED TO ANSWER DISRESPECT!In fact you say this conversation is over.We have not had an honest conversation for a long time – you are not a student – you are a satan promoter – a promoter of Catholic Fallen Angels with your god of evilIn fact you worship a God who created embedded sinning (word game yester ra) in humans from Creation.
I do not support this idea at all. Human became sinners. Humans were created perfect and sinless.
Your view is humans were created intentionally flawed, with a fallen nature even before they sinned.
In the SDA world the idea of any traces of RA is a fallen world, and any traces of RA in humans, such as you so called yester ra in humans before they sinned, means humans were born during Genesis with a fallen nature … animals are born with a fallen nature … the entire universe is created with a fallen nature.CORRECT ROBERT you say Rom 1:19 + Psa = the fallen world is proof of your satan changing all god’s creation into corruption – You give your praise to the wrong god!I summarize your views in SDA understanding. You worship a god that cannot make mankind or animals or even a universe without perfection, somehow the entire universe is fallen.--------------------- Second since sin is embedded within our biology,jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10194-lustYEẒER HA-RA':
(Redirected from LUST.)Evil inclination or impulse, popularly identified with the lusts of the flesh. The idea is derived from Gen. viii. 21: "the imagination of the heart of man is evil from his youth." Yet from the use of the two "yods" in Gen. ii. 7, the Rabbis deduced that there are in man two Yeẓarim: the good (Yeẓer Ṭob) and the evil (Ber. 61a). Cain defended himself before God for having slain Abel by arguing that God had implanted in him the Yeẓer ha-Ra'(Tan., Bereshit, 25 [ed. Buber, p. 10]). "It lies at the door of the heart like a fly" (Ber. 61a; comp. Beelzebub). Yet in a way the Yeẓer ha-Ra', like all things which God made (Gen. i. 31), is good. Without it, for example, a man would never marry, beget, build a house, or trade (Gen. R. ix. 9). Therefore, man is enjoined to love God with both the Yeẓarim implied in "with all thy heart" of the Shema' (Sifre, Deut. 32 [ed. Friedmann, p. 73a]). It would appear that the Yeẓer Ṭob comes with reflection, and at the age of bar miẓwah or confirmation, because it is said to be thirteen years younger than the Yeẓer ha-Ra', which is an inborn impulse (Eccl. R. ix. 14). The Yeẓer Ṭob delivers the citadel of the body from the Yeẓer ha-Ra' by means of temperance and good works (Ned. 32b). The "little city" of Eccl. ix. 14, 15 is interpreted by the Targum and Eccl. R. (ad loc.) as the kingdom of the heart, and the "great king" who comes against it as the Yeẓer ha-Ra'.
According to the Rabbis, the Yeẓer ha-Ra' has seven different epithets in the Bible: evil (Gen. viii. 21); uncircumcised (Deut. x. 16); unclean (Ps. li. 12); the enemy (Prov. xxv. 21); stumbling-block (Isa. lvii. 14); stone (Ezek. xxxvi. 26); and hidden (Joel ii. 20).
Yes Robert – man is created with the instinct for survival – as are all animalsWho cares if you choose to disrespect Jewish Theology the very foundation of Christianityyou do not have an sinning agents tempting us to sin.There are many agents influencing man to sin – all of them WORLD and manipulation from the outside by invisible entities that are anything buy human – archon They have always been here – before Adam and Eve – this is their Kingdom/domain They come in many forms – ‘other gods’ – demons – satanas – devils – evil spirits – Nephilim / Rephiem – aliens / UFOs - alternative saviors for humanity , because Organized Christendom has lost the education argument – Today the shoe of hypocrisy rest with the church In an enlightened age – no one is willing to worship religious rituals / dogma/ or doctrine Their true identity is not revealed within the ahlKing Solomon is the author that discussed Beelzebub and the shedim – which was common knowledge to all at the time of Jesus Christ – he says they are ugly biological creatures that can assume any form they wish you to see – shapeshift The rest of the Middle East still call them Jinn and still use Jewish King Solomon as reference Just exactly what are Jinn – they are genies – wish granters – (yester ra) satisfiers In fact such archons are not necessary as humans can sin by themselves without Satan or other archon creatures tempting humans to sin. And you agree with this idea?Psa 53:4 All have turned aside—together they have become corrupt. There is no one who does good—no, not even one! Rom 3:10 As it is written, “There is no one righteous—no, not one. Ecc 7:20 Surely there is not a righteous person on earth who does what is good and doesn’t sin. Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. In fact such archons are not necessary as humans can sin by themselves without Satan or other archon creatures tempting humans to sin. And you agree with this idea?YES – all biology comes with (yester ra) – it is inherent to / a by-product of – biology / matter Gen 2:7 Jewish Theology – man becomes (spirit)+(biology) (spirit comes with yester tov – because we came from God / heaven – we gnosis(ed) the truth) Biology comes with (yester ra) – which is necessary to be successful as a species God’s commandment to nature – ‘be Fruitful and Multiply’ = go and be successful as a species Is (yester ra) evil? Is the instinct to hide from a predator – or the instinct not to eat poisonous plants evil? In man – this man instinctive (yester ra) = desire, lust, greed, survival – alpha male In fact such archons are not necessary as humans can sin by themselves without Satan or other archon creatures tempting humans to sin. And you agree with this idea?Ants are not evil – they are (yester ra) – they can cause man to be distracted from the HS Try prayer with ants crawling all over you – can you focus? Cows are not evil – but if they push down my fence to smash in my greenhouse – I might be distracted form the HS If the government is threatening my life style – force behavior – force feed – or force vaccinate – I might be distracted from the HS If a war is moving across my land – my neighbors are dead and their homes burnt – I might be distracted from the HS Where is the evil in any of this – the only “sin” is my chata – to focus upon WORLD not the HSIn fact such archons are not necessary as humans can sin by themselves without Satan or other archon creatures tempting humans to sin. And you agree with this idea?You forget – they were here first – this is their Kingdom / their domain Adam and Eve – were invaders / usurpers – who came later and declared dominion Just as Abraham was an – invader / usurper – who came later to Canaan Just as 1948 Israel – populated and then usurped Palestine today Precept upon precept, line upon line – over and over the same themeSo why did Jesus come to over throw the prince of this world?To deliver man from this WORLD #1 Christ = God = HS = Only One True God God we cannot see – but can experience via SPIRIT + the image of God = Christ Jesus came into this world – because we came into this world Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! Jesus came into this world – to deliver the Gospel = Jer 1:5 Jesus came into this world – to suffer any and every temptation possible – so man can ever say he had it harder than Jesus Christ Jesus came into this world – to die as all men do and have since Adam Jesus was not KILLED o or put to death by man or any evil power God GAVE His Son Jesus died in this world – to return – to prover Resurrection – to prove that the ‘AFTER LIFE’ is real – to prove that the Prophets were correct – to prove that the ahl is correct Now that you have PROOF – what you do with that information is up to you Why did Jesus say concerning the archons, they will find nothing in me amiss? Dave's stupid example Most men are (YESTER RA)+ (yester tov)The call of Christianity is to be spirit lead (YESTER TOV) + (yester ra)Most Righteous Christians think they are (yester ra) + (yester tov)Paul tells us the walk is more like (yester ra) = (yester tov) Spiritual / Born Again / Pentecostal / enjoy the Comforter that is sent – the HS
Christians are urged to pray in the spirit – and be taught by the spirit Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you. (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)1Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things—and it is true and not a lie—and just as it has taught you, abide in Him. (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)Mar 13:11 When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Say whatever is given to you in that hour, for it is not you who speaks but the Ruach ha-Kodesh. (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)Luk 12:12 because the Ruach ha-Kodesh will teach you at that time what is necessary to say.” (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)Eph 6:18 Pray in the Ruach on every occasion, (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology) Jud 1:20 But you, loved ones, continue building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Ruach ha-Kodesh. (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)BUT ROBERT DENIES THE SPIRIT – MAN HAS NO SPIRIT
The SDA teach it is a sin to believe that you have a spiritWhy make a big deal about archons if they are mere creatures with yester ra like humans are?DUHEph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Why did Jesus say to the devil/satan/archon to go away? Man = (spirit) + (biology)
Jesus Christ = (God) + Biology = the image of GodWhy did Jesus say to the devil/satan/archon to go away?Luk 4:8 But answering, Yeshua told him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship Adonai your God, and Him only shall you serve.’” Deu 10:20 Adonai your God you will fear—Him will you serve. To Him will you cling, and by His Name will you swear. Why did the archon demand Jesus to worship it? Jesus came into this world – to suffer any and every temptation possible – so man can ever say he had it harder than Jesus ChristWhy is the archon written as a roaring lion seeking to whom he may devour? Strong language don't you think?Entropy within creationRev 12:4 … so that whenever she gave birth he might devour – The Hypostasis of the ArchonsMoreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.Entropy of memory – to keep us for focusing upon (yester tov) and what we already know deep insideStrong language don't you think?----------------------- I also asked you about the SON that did amanuah daily to His Father, never left loving His Father, thus showed stronger gnosis than the SON Gnosis = knowing somthing as fact – fact = fact – how can there be more fact for you and less fact for meIf I stick my hand in the fire I gnosis it is hot
You stick you hand in the fire somewhere else- which one of us gnosis more?Your attempt to twist and corrupt is so consistent – it is tiresome – it is taxing I do not have to sexually rape a person in order to experience fornication thrills. Your extreme exaggerations serve no function but you demonstrate you lack of seriousness
It is the act of a liar – twist the information – misrepresent – and exaggerateYou do not understand this idea.And you just keep doing it – proving that you are not a student at all – but a propaganda pusher
You must defend your satan as a god – it is evidently all you are trained to doThe problem is Precept upon precept, line upon line
No one ever believed in your god of evil before Rome invented himYou actively deny and rewrite Jewish Theology – the very foundation of Christianity Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. Roman Christendom is a different religion than Messianic JudaismIt is impossible to please GOD unless you have amanuah. Hebrews 11:6Is that faith is the Mormon God who was once a man? Is that faith in the Watch Tower – and the teaching of Russel? Is that faith in the Pope as Christ on earth? Is that faith in Allah – or Buddha – or Brahma and Shiva There is all types of faith – strong faith held with such conviction that people are willing to be suicide bombers for their Lord There is much more to the archon story you miss Dave, it is not just a prosecutor prosecuting. There is no such thing as an archon prosecutorYou actively deny and rewrite Jewish Theology – the very foundation of Christianity
Your extreme exaggerations serve no function but you demonstrate you lack of seriousness
It is the act of a liar – twist the information – misrepresent – and exaggerateYou do not understand this idea.And you just keep doing it – proving that you are not a student at all – but a propaganda pusher
You must defend your satan as a god – it is evidently all you are trained to doYou are not studying anything – you are pushing your SDA CULT CRAP as Christianity
So far it is about as anti-Jewish and anti-Christian as satanic cultSuddenly your God is no longer absolute but has limits.Your respect for the Lord and His word is obvious RobertAnd one reason you are rapidly falling out of favor here – I cannot imagine being more patient with you – and you just want to be an ASS – I know who you are
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5
Greetings Dave Thank you for continuing to discuss matters that are both important to us. D" Where is the evil in any of this?R" Try prayer with ants crawling all over you – can you focus? Funny you ask, I am declaring war on the meat ants here, crawling all over our place, can't even stand still for 3 seconds and you get bitten by them. Perhaps we need to define ra properly. What is ra? Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: Parallels in poetry are useful. Light and peace are different things, yet are a part of God's nature. Darkness and Dysfunction are also different things, and are NOT a part of God's nature. The former list are formed, part of the natural character of God. The latter list is created, invented by GOD for some reason. Not a part of GOD. Now you claim that the latter list and the former list are both elements GOD plays with during His creation, hence the universe was fallen (I use my SDA word game - and you agree with this term and are happy to see the universe was intentionally created fallen for a specific reason, to develop free will response in humans). There are hints the universe was created indeed fallen: Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness Dave points out : they (the Archons) were here first – this is their Kingdom / their domainWe both agree with this aspect presented in Scripture. Now God cursed the ground, and made other curses when the humans SINNED. Ro 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Isaiah 51:6...And the earth will wear out like a garment (1) Why did GOD create a perfect creation for unfallen humans in already a place of darkness and sinning cherubs? That is one hypothesis to explore. (2) Why did GOD intentionally created a fallen universe with fallen humans and fallen creatures, to develop the correct response of the free will to yester ra embedded within us, so we humans choose to repent and turn to God? That is another hypothesis to explore. There are differences in both of these views. In the first view, the humans are intentionally placed in a universe with perfection and imperfection, so as to witness innocently as sinless unfallen citizens for the first time against the agents of the fallen world, about the great controversy over the SINNING problem, invented by cherub angels who once lived close to God, but sinned against God. The second view is that GOD created the fallen world intentionally to develop free will for the first time, and the humans were created for this purpose. The yester ra in other creatures (such as archons) were intentionally programmed to test the humans to develop the yester ra response of SIN or to develop the yester tov response to seek salvation from God. Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. (KJV) This verse identify's the darkness term in Gen 1:2 coming from Satan, the first cherub angel who sinned, BEFORE the humans were created. And clearly show the Great Controversy theme is about resolving the SIN problem. The fact is you cannot have both light and darkness at the same time in a fallen or unfallen world, the light always banishes the darkness. The only way to experience both of these contrasts is to make God's light diminished and to make the objects further apart from God. The shadow experiments explains this process clearly and mathematically. spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmObviously a creature who wishes to sin is not normally allowed to exist under the presence of GOD. Dave you need to recognize this hypothesis first. It tells us why darkness must be created by GOD. RP" So why did Jesus come to over throw the prince of this world?D" To deliver man from this WORLD, ......R" Do you acknowledge this verse Dave? Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,If a mischief maker does mischief, than one must die, both the one wronged by mischief and the mischief maker for making the mischief. Do you agree with this torah judgment of the moral law of God? Re 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. You agree with me the HS has a womb of sorts, and this the mischief maker is making mischief here, trying to devour the child. Re 12:4...the dragon stood before the woman ...to devour her child as soon as it was born. Eve was named the Mother of all living, after the HS who is the "mother of all living" administrating via the compassion centre (womb) the breath of life, in all living things. This is why the HS shrank around the first humans inside the compassion centre, once they SINNED, they were exposed to the lack of light from GOD covering their bodies, the HS shrank exposing their nakedness. My point is the verse: Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Such mischief was done to the administration of life, inside the compassion centre of the womb of GOD, came the mischief make making mischief. Hence why Jesus died to buy mankind back. And why the mischief maker also must die for the mischief. This is why Jesus says if ye are to be saved, ye must be born again, via the compassion centre of the HS, using the creative powers of GOD to regain what is lost and to restore what Adam originally had before he sinned. D" Dave's stupid exampleR" I don't find it stupid, I have a SDA word game for yester ra and yester tov, the Hebrew word is aven, and Jeff benner showed me this word, which Ellen White uses it in English to mean "propensities". spiritualsprings.org/ss-1076.htmI highly advise you read my study on aven, or propensites, so you get a feel for my word game and my views on this idea. Notice I directly use a Hebrew word "aven", I do not need to invent a Jewish phrase "yester ra" and "yester tov". D" Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you.
(HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology)R" nice Dave  We essentially have similar views on the function of the HS. D" BUT ROBERT DENIES THE SPIRIT – MAN HAS NO SPIRITR" man has a spirit "namashah" but the spirit known as "ruwach" belongs to the HS, or divine origin. Both terms exist under the phrase "breath of life" , hence the confusion among Jews. See Ge 7:22 . D" The Hypostasis of the Archons
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.R" Yes some of your GNostic quotes are nice D" You stick you hand in the fire somewhere else- which one of us gnosis more?
Your attempt to twist and corrupt is so consistent – it is tiresome – it is taxingR" Did you not use this term, to mean more or less? I am only following your words, now you condemn me for doing this? Rob quoted Dave " The son that returns – returns with remembered gnosis – genuine gnosis – and is rewarded" The prodigal Son has more genuine gnosis – and is rewarded, than the SON who never left His Father? Isn't this what you are implying by your post before? D" No one ever believed in your god of evil before Rome invented himR" Noah did written in Ancient Chinese pictographs. Question: how many Jews understand the term amanuah? in OT times? D" There is no such thing as an archon prosecutorR" Oh sorry, I forgot, you have two creatures of RA, not ONE as I have. (1) The satan is a prosecutor, a good angel doing a bad job; and (2) the satanas is the archon beast tempting humans to sin. Care to explain how this good angel goes around influencing humans to kill off Job's assets, including family? Not exactly the functional role of a court prosecutor is it? D "you are not a student at all – but a propaganda pusherR" No Dave. I am not. I show Bible texts, and logic in my presentation. RP" Suddenly your God is no longer absolute but has limits.D" Your respect for the Lord and His word is obvious RobertR" Sorry Dave, but I am trying to see what kind of GOD you serve. Why did GOD place mankind on earth with archons in the first place? Rev 12 tells you why? Re 12:5 And she (HS - also a simile of CHURCH) brought forth a man child (Jesus, the SON of MAN) , who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. The archons were trying to devour the man child Jesus Christ. And His children. But why ? What is this termed in Scripture? Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: A war. But why? Re 12:8 ..neither was their place found any more in heaven. Something horribly wrong with the archons.... Re 12:11 And they overcame (the archons) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; Who else is in this "him" ? Re 12:10 ...for the accuser of our brethren is cast down Who is this ? Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he Not as Dave says "they" satan and satanas, but "he" called serpent, devil, satan. Do you have any links for example that clearly support satan and satanas as different beings? Re 12:12 ..the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Obviously the archon/shedim/devil/satan/serpent/satanas are the one same creature who is termed a dragon, that hates following the commandments of GOD and does not support the testimony of Jesus Christ. The archons were banished from heaven because
(1) They refused to follow the Father's moral laws
(2) They refused to listen or support the testimony of the Father's SON, Jesus Christ.Archons are not jealous if the Father son is a mere expression of the Father, it's just the same being. But archons would be jealous if the SON is a different being to the Father (both divine from one family of divinity), and who is like the Father in power but not in rank, as a father is above his son. One could see jealousy here especially when the Son, commands the angelic cherub as a host of armies. I feel you have avoided all the verses here Dave, you pick some and avoid others. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 24, 2021 21:07:41 GMT -5
Thank you for continuing to discuss matters that are both important to us.As long as it is serious D"Where is the evil in any of this? R" Try prayer with ants crawling all over you – can you focus? Funny you ask, I am declaring war on the meat ants here, crawling all over our place, can't even stand still for 3 seconds and you get bitten by them. Perhaps we need to define ra properly. What is ra?Perhaps you need to redefine ra and sinIf it is ra to keep you from focusing upon the HS – and ra is only the result of sin What sin are you guilty of – that you are bothered by ants? Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: If ra exist – God created it Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. Darkness and Dysfunction are also different things, and are NOT a part of God's nature.Correct – but they are a full part of God’s creationThere are hints the universe was created indeed fallen: Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness Dave points out : they (the Archons) were here first – this is their Kingdom / their domain We both agree with this aspect presented in Scripture. Dave does not agree that nature is fallen – or is flawed – creation is exactly as God created it
Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 – God’s handiwork – there is no excuseNow God cursed the ground, and made other curses when the humans SINNED.
Ro 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Isaiah 51:6...And the earth will wear out like a garment
(1) Why did GOD create a perfect creation for unfallen humans in already a place of darkness and sinning cherubs? That is one hypothesis to explore.Answer – you butcher scripture to support your doctrineRev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Rev 12:2 She is pregnant—crying out in birth pains, in agony to give birth. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rom 822 and Isa 51:6 are speaking to childbirth – creation birth
Before the Beast appeared – you cannot blame these verse on the Beast(2) Why did GOD intentionally created a fallen universe with fallen humans and fallen creatures, You are insulting – everything you god doses is flawedAc 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. This verse identities the darkness term in Gen 1:2 coming from- agl satanas of Chaldean origin / the Beast and company of Rev 12:3
the first cherub angel who sinned, BEFORE the humans were created. And clearly show the Great Controversy theme is about resolving the SIN problem. Precept upon precept, line upon line
No one ever believed in your satan god of evil before Rome invent himMy point is the verse: Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,And Jesus Christ gave His life for all of us
Yes – I believe this – very muchThis is why Jesus says if ye are to be saved, ye must be born again, Thank you for continuing to discuss … As long as it is seriousWhere is your scripture? – all I can find is this:Joh 3:5 Yeshua answered, “Amen, amen I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. You have no idea of what you speak
The difference between entering heaven today as the man on the cross next to Jesus – First Fruits
Or awaiting the First resurrection with all the other believersD"Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you. (HS)(our spirit – yester tov) + (biology) D"BUT ROBERT DENIES THE SPIRIT – MAN HAS NO SPIRIT R" man has a spirit "namashah" but the spirit known as "ruwach" belongs to the HS, or divine origin.Both terms exist under the phrase "breath of life" , hence the confusion among Jews. See Ge 7:22 . Ruach = spirit Ruach ha-Kodesh = ‘the spirit of the holy one" Ruach Elohiym = Spirit of God Gen 45:27 the Ruach of Jacob = the Spirit of Jacob Exo 28:3 Ruach chokmâh = the spirit of wisdom Num 5:14 Ruach qin'âh = the spirit of jealousy Num 14:14 'achêr ruach = another spirit Jud 9”23 ra ruach = evil spirit 1Sam 1:15 qâsheh ruach is a sorrowful spirit the spirit known as "ruwach" belongs to the HS, or divine origin.Scripture does not agree with you Rom 8:16 αὐτὸ τὸ Πνεῦμα συμμαρτυρεῖ τῷ πνεύματι ἡμῶν ὅτι ἐσμὲν τέκνα Θεοῦ. His spirit with testify with our spirit
Greek agl saya His Spirit + our spiritD"You stick you hand in the fire somewhere else- which one of us gnosis more? Your attempt to twist and corrupt is so consistent – it is tiresome – it is taxing R" Did you not use this term, to mean more or less? I am only following your words, now you condemn me for doing this? Rob quoted Dave "The son that returns – returns with remembered gnosis – genuine gnosis – and is rewarded" Correct – I said this – the Prodigal remembers God as FACT – the FACT he knew before conception – the Fact that he rememberd as a mortal – the FACT that he is commissioned tyo preach – Jer 1:5
AND – he is rewarded – for completion of his assignment – Jer 1:5
The Son that stays home also knows God as FACT because he is in the presence of God
The Son that stays home is not rewarded – because he did not do any DEEDs, WORKS (jer 1:5) – so he also didn’t generate any FRUITThe prodigal Son has more genuine gnosis – and is rewarded, than the SON who never left His Father? Isn't this what you are implying by your post before?I did not imply anything – just presented the factsHow can you have more FACT?You stick your hand in the fire in Queensland - I do so in Colorado Which one of us knows the FACT that fire is hot more – me or you? D"No one ever believed in your god of evil before Rome invented him R" Noah did written in Ancient Chinese pictographs. YES ROBERT – scripture is validated no matter where or when you look Obviously the archon/shedim/devil/satan/serpent/satanas are the one same creature who is termed a dragon, Obviouslythat hates following the commandments of GOD and does not support the testimony of Jesus Christ.I have asked you before – show me the commandment for archonAll scripture says = be fruitful and multiply + reproduce after your own kindThe archons were banished from heaven becauseThey are made with some matter and the first tough – the only thought that have = self = (yester ra)
They are not ethereal – they are biological – no biology in heavenIf you want to redeem yourself – comment on Dillon’s threadponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/526/wrong-creation-museum
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We essentially have similar views on the function of the HS.