Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2021 16:51:36 GMT -5
What is the difference between the Gnostic Archon and Catholic Fallen Angels?
Definition of terms: To be absolute clear as to vocabulary.
Jewish theology = Jewish teaching as per Pharisee type Jews – spiritual Jews – who wrote and teach the Kabbalah – which is very metaphysical indeed – even esoteric. When I seek or study Jewish though it is with Chabad.org and the Institute for Hebrew studies in Jerusalem.
This is not the only type of Judaism – Talmudic Jews are Sad-you-see because they do not believe in the spirit – they preach the LAW
Kabbalah = is simply a collection of Jewish Rabbinic commentary. It is no different from a collection of Christian Commentary and opinions – except – Jews have lived all the theology – King Solomon and many others dealt face-to-face with the theology – The truth almost everything you think of as sorcery or witchcraft comes from ancient Jewish literature!
Inspired Scripture #1 - is not the Roman Edit! – All creation speaks / witnesses to the truth
Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2 – no matter where you look (or when you look) all you see is the Hand of God
1- In nature – on every level / in chemistry – on every level / in Physics – on every level = Proof of God
Nature = the cycle of “LIFE” = everywhere we look the message in nature =
Since the beginning (birth) – we grow and learn and live our lives (Beginning, Atone, God Tabernacles-x2, true salvation is of the Lord (not world), Passover, Passover, Passover + 50 days and Harvest) – we die – followed by rebirth
Birth – life – death – followed by rebirth = 100% the message of scripture! 100% validates scripture!
Man is made in God’s image – he was born –lived – died – returned to the father and PROVED rebirth
Nature = Intelligent design = the Hand of God = Proof of God
Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2 – no matter where you look (or when you look) all you see is the Hand of God
God is absolute – nothing was created that was not created by Him – all things were created through Him
There is no second creator – no alteration to God’s Will or God’s Plan
God created nature – it is glorious – it is beautiful – and every piece of it witness to the One True Creator – no one else
Inspired Scripture #2 - a chemistry text book because it points to God’s handiwork
Moses walked and talked with God – God gave Moses the Torah – it is Gold
Ezekiel does not agree with Moses 100% - is that 99.9% agreement?
Ezekiel, Isaiah , the Prophets and the Kings all walked had a relationship with God – their words are Most Worthy – one more set added with Torah. The Minor Prophets – another set added with the Torah.
THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE LIBRARY – TEMPLE SCROLLs – there were many other texts there – Enoch, the Book of Creation, Jashar, - 44 other titles mentioned within scripture itself – the MidRash is just a collection of as much of the past as ca be remembered.
Did anyone ever say Enoch = Torah – NO! – yet every Rabbi quotes from Enoch
Did anyone say Enoch=Torah – NO! – yet it is the second most quoted text within the agl
Enoch was common knowledge at the time of Jesus
Has anyone ever said – King Solomon = Torah – NO! – yet he was common knowledge at the time of Jesus
All of it together = Jewish thought – Jewish common knowledge – at the time of Jesus
When Jesus spoke the Gospel – this was the common knowledge of his audience
THE NEW TESTIMENT – written by the disciples – men who walked and talked with Jesus both before and after His Resurrection men who were martyred for their faith
This is not the only writing of the very same authors, James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
Gnostic Gospels – (a term coined by Roman authority) the very same authors, James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, Mary, - they are not Gospels – there are personal revelations and communique
The best collection of these writings = The Nag Hammadi Library (that also contains other text – I don’t consider)
1- this collection has nothing to do with ancient religions or Simon Magnus
2- this collection was hidden in Egypt by a persecuted First Christian group
3- several of the text say within themselves – hide this for the generation of the End-of-Days – or hide them for the generation that will follow
4- The Nag Hammadi was found 1945, WWII ended 1945 that set up Bretton-Woods, 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls are found – with their gnostic WAR SCROLL, 1948 Israel returns to the Promised Land – from every corner of the Globe
Gnostic Christianity = Judaism + the Messiah + the words of the disciples + reality (Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2) = all of it.
This was the thinking of the First Messianic Jews – The First Christians – the Disciples and Apostilles themselves
This was the theology of the Jews at time of Jesus - the First Messianic Jews – The First Christians – the Disciples and Apostilles themselves
This was / is the original theology of Christianity – 100% Jewish + the Messiah
Abomination – Ezk 8 – the worship of Tammuz within the Temple
Born Dec 25th – on the Winter Equinox - died at age 40 – gored to death by a pig
Tammuz mother returns to earth in an egg – land in the Euphrates valley – on the Spring Equinox - and changes a bird into an egg laying rabbit.
“Born Dec 25th, lent is 40 days, Easter is celebrated at the Spring equinox with colored Easter eggs.
Jewish Jesus was born late fall or spring absolutely NOT Dec 25th – 100% pagan
Jewish Passover is rarely the same as the Spring equinox
Colored Easter eggs and Easter Dinner’s tradition ham – is 100% pagan
The Catholic ritual Lent = 100% pagan
Christmas Tress – with balls on them = 100% pagan
Santa Clause = 100% pagan
ROME – circe 350AD – The Roman Edit
Rome could never control the Jews – because the Jews respond to a higher law
God spanked Rome for their Dysphoria – Maccabean peasants defeated Rome 11 times between 170BC and 160 BC – The Jews were always outnumbered 3 to 1 / 5 to 1 / 10 to 1 with mounted Calvary and elephants – each battle a Jericho – decisive victory for the Maccabean Jews.
The Temple is cleansed – of Tammuz worship (pig sacrifices)
The Temple is rededicate – Chanukah – 164BC
Jesus Christ is born – He live(d) His life witnessing God’s Glory to all nations of the world –
He died a MORTAL death just as all men do/will – He poured out His spirit/ his essence (which was/is divine) / His spirit was released – set free – and it went into the spirit world (it returned to where it came)
Rome could not control the Messianic Jews – the First Christians – why should they listen to any man’s authority – we have the Gospel and a commission / assignment to witness – we have guidance from the HS from within – we should know what is right or wrong – we do not need a government to guide us.
This freedom of thought – lead to the FIRST ARGUMENT – the Arian Controversy
This led to the First Ecumenical Council – at Nicaea
This led to the drafting of – “The Official View” – “The Official Doctrine”
The entire Christian world at the time conformed
However – within 150 years – the Egyptian Church (Coptic) walked away from the Roma Councils – claiming – separation of church and state
Jesus said – he would build His church upon Peter – the Rock
Peter preached from Egypt – John Mark (Gospel of Mark) was Peter’s scribe – and the First Pope of the Coptic Church
All 4 of the first Ecumenical were presided over by a Pope from Alexandra Egypt – not Rome
After the Egyptian Church pulled away – the Roman church was left to the Roman Empire and the marriage of church and state = control and power over the people
King Phillip of France was beloved – but the pope told him if he didn’t cru said the Pope would not allow any Frenchman into heaven. King Phillip could go to war, or be overthrown overnight. – Who has more power?
Dec 825AD Pope Leo crowns Charlemagne Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by the authority of the Church - Who has more power?
Jesus came and gave us the Gospel – Rome becomes the authority and society entered the Dark Ages
The church actually taught to stop bathing – wear the dirt of your sin – sickness was rampant
The church prevented the common man from reading scripture until Luther
The Church persecuted anyone who did not bow to Rome
The Roman Edit
The sola scriptum is not Hebrew – it is the Greek LXX written in Egypt + the agl
The agl IS – a polished composite of 100s of ancient texts
Not all of those ancient texts agree – word for word – that is why we have so many marginal readings
The Textus Receptus – 1611 KJV was written by Erasmus – Erasmus is on the Roman Index of heretics
The official Roman Canon – rejected many ancient texts – some for good cause
AND anything written about the ARCHON – regardless of the author
Rome wants you to believe – James, John, Paul, and Peter wrote the agl and heresy at the same time
Why the need for the Roman Edit – because the reality of the Archon contradicts the Catholic Invented doctrine of Fallen Angels, satan, demons, and hell
Why did Rome invent – the Doctrine of Fallen Angels? – population control
Jews taught – worship the Lord or be lost to the World
Messianic Jews taught – through Jesus Christ the Messiah we can have spiritual power to worship and witness and rise above this WORLD
Rome – taught – if you do not worship church and pay your priest – evil spirits will drag you to hell. Satan is evil and he wants you for his kingdom – a place called hell with eternal torment – fire and brimstone. Sickness is the result of sin. All the church had to do was point a finger and you could be burnt at the stake.
The Legacy of the Roman Edit
Absolute authority results in arrogance – arrogance breads ignorance
Beginning with the Renaissance – the church FAILED to keep pace with education
Education began exposing the ignorance of the church – Copernicus / Galileo / medicine
The church ban on autopsies – held medicine back centuries
There was a lot of animosity between the educated worlds and the church – before Darwin
Since Darwin – the church has just given up in the race to educate
The Modern World – has become to educated to accept the church anymore
Bible stories have lost their reality
Was it 6 Days? Was it a global flood? Were all the animals on the Ark? The age of the earth? Did the Red Sea really part, or was it the Reed Sea? Did an axe float on the water? Did Jesus really raise from the dead? Was Jesus married?
All of has become fairy tale – mythology – Jonah in the belly of a big fish?
Fairy tale and myth?
Ancient pagan gods – Zeus, Mars, Athena – storm gods – myth / fairy tale
Native gods and spirits – myth / fairy tale
Aliens / UFOs – the church says – myth / fairy tale
All of it replaced by – a close angel with God – who turn against God – who opposes God – who takes God’s angels away from God – and wars against God –
So even angels can fall from God’s Grace – so man better be churchy – and listen to churchy – or satan will get you
Today – even this is a fairy tale – it has become Halloween and celebrated for fun once a year
Gnostic literature – is written by men I respect – the disciples themselves
It exist on only one ancient form – incomplete – with no other copies to compare with
Some of the translations within it are very rough – questionable even
This is not the text fault – or the authors – but of history
How is this any different to my view?
From the beginning
There is only One True God – in the beginning there was only E
E (God / el singular) = beyond man’s ability to understand – incomprehensible
No man can see the Face of God (el / E) or he will surely die
Man dose experience God in two forms – His Spirit (which is Holy – the Glory of God) and his (form / image) Christ – E = m (Christ – form / matter) c2 (Spirit / Spiritual – heavens)
Is the HS the medium / sustainer of the ALL – YES
The Word was spoken – the Word went out – spread out – reverberated throughout the emptiness – it if the vibration of our EM spectrum from the subatomic to the grand scale
The Word radiated out – through a distance = space/time
The Word is God – experienced at a distance = the Spirit of God
Spirit – is a thing – it is life – each spirit is a unique and separate individual
God is spirit – we call that Spirit Holy
God is on His throne – Through Spirit he is also with a man in Africa, and two in India, several in Australia – all at the same time – while listening to and answering 20 zillion prayers – everywhere / anywhere all at the same time
Robert asks – how can God possible do that?
Answer – God is absolute – He is omnipotent (all powerful) He is omnipresent (everywhere) He is omniscient (knows everything) – Limits placed upon God by man are STUPID
Angels are spirit – each individual, unique, and independent – a one of a kind
Man is spirit - each individual, unique, and independent – a one of a kind
Angels and man = the host of heaven – it is our true home – our true form – and to where we will return
All of this is Robert’s tov utopia - Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens …
This is the Gnostic ‘First Age’ – the age when only spirit existed – all tov
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Gen 1:1 then God created the … the earth.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.
This is not an angel – the Beast = the devil = the serpent race of Gen 3 – biological – the same family – the Beast and his offspring
Gnostic text add –
1- he is not an angel because he is made with some matter – with matter comes (yester ra) – and the very first though of the Beast = self
2- also adds the expression – Left Hand to the theology
Yes God created everything by saying – ‘let there be’
The Beast just appeared – secret / mystery / of the Left Hand
Gnostic text add – the terminology ARCHON
Through the many centuries – these same creatures have been written about by many peoples in many languages = many names and titles = many ‘other gods’ = all the same family
David Ike said - some people call them the serpent race, some call them demonic, Islam call them Jinn
Nag Hammadi – First Century Christians called them ARCHON – all the same creatures
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Devour and deceive = ENTROPY – all creation – the rocks, the planets, the stars, biology
Spiritual entropy – forgetting what we all know deep inside – God – denying the reality of God
Rev 12:13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he stalked the woman who had given birth to the male child.
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
It is all God’s Plan / God’s Will – everyone has a role to play in God’s creation
A. Your archon was sinless originally, my cherub was sinless originally
Absolutely NOT – the Beast just appeared – his first thought was of SELF – never PERFECT before the Lord
Your archon was in the garden tempting humans to sin, My cherub was in the garden tempting humans to sin,
Yes – before Eve sinned – the BEAST (serpent race) was in the garden (you say was tov only)
I say the serpent race is a biological thing – made with some matter – just as all ARCHON – offspring of the Beast are.
You say – your cherub is an angel that opposes God (Catholic god of evil) possessed a snake – took over control of the snake – so God cursed the innocent snake
Actually you sat 1/3rd of all God’s angels – changed their own design / function / form to oppose God
And all against God’s Will / changing God’s Plan – without God’s permission - in opposition to God
D"The Contest is man vrs WORLD + man vrs archon (the Beast, devil, serpent race, satanas, and all of them are false prophets – because their only message is WORLD)
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RP"You seem to be saying the archons sinned, and now help humans to sin?
YES – Gen 6:1-4
The archon are already here on/in earth – since Gen 1:2 – long before Adam and Eve
D" YES – Enoch tells us that the 200 – took on human form and lusted – correct
Did all the archon take on human form – no only 200 of them
You cannot argue the archon was programmed because the chief archon chose to sin, seeing the woman, and self rose in it's mind. This action is the same sort of action humans do, it's called sinning. Caused by freewill.
The archon – the serpent race - the beast and all his offspring are (yester ra)
Once they took on a more human form – there is more ways for (yester ra) to express itself
They were selfish, greedy, and lustful before – in human form they just had new ways to do it
This contest had archon creatures subtle, advanced thinkers, saw women, sinned in having sex with them, now God will punish them for their sins, as the archons also sin in getting humans to sin, keeping them in the world.
YES – Very clearly Enoch – Jude the brother of Jesus who quotes Enoch – John – the War Scroll
All tell us clearly of their crime AGAINST NATURE AND MAN
Their imprisonment – and their eventual released to be used again in the Plan of God / Prophesy
Rev 9:1 Then the fifth angel trumpeted, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth. The key to the bottomless pit was given to him.
Rev 9:2 He opened the pit, and smoke rose from the pit like the smoke of a gigantic furnace. The sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.
Rev 9:3 Then from the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given to them like the scorpions have power over the earth.
Rev 9:4 They were told to do no harm to the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only the people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And they were permitted not to kill them, but to torment them for five months—and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a person.
Rev 9:6 In those days, people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.
Your archon chooses to sin with women, my cherub chooses to sin against the Most High
All tell us clearly of their crime AGAINST NATURE AND MAN
You and your god of evil oppose God – contradictory to scripture
Who can oppose God – make Him turn His ways – NO ONE!
Your archon has many others who help him, My cherub has many other cherub who help him too.
YES – the is a race of beings – the serpent race – all family Beast / Archon
They are very real – they are everywhere – they are WORLD
Eph 6:12 – they are our real struggle
Col 1:16 they were made by Him for Him
God’s Will / God’s Plan
You have an angel – that changed his own form and function against God Will – then Changed God’s Plan – and all for the glory of satan –
We each praise a different God
All creation validates my God - All scripture validates my God
You must deny so much scripture and the world around you to support your satan doctrine
Just to protect and defend the divinity of your satan
Yes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that?
Definition of terms: To be absolute clear as to vocabulary.
Jewish theology = Jewish teaching as per Pharisee type Jews – spiritual Jews – who wrote and teach the Kabbalah – which is very metaphysical indeed – even esoteric. When I seek or study Jewish though it is with Chabad.org and the Institute for Hebrew studies in Jerusalem.
This is not the only type of Judaism – Talmudic Jews are Sad-you-see because they do not believe in the spirit – they preach the LAW
Kabbalah = is simply a collection of Jewish Rabbinic commentary. It is no different from a collection of Christian Commentary and opinions – except – Jews have lived all the theology – King Solomon and many others dealt face-to-face with the theology – The truth almost everything you think of as sorcery or witchcraft comes from ancient Jewish literature!
Inspired Scripture #1 - is not the Roman Edit! – All creation speaks / witnesses to the truth
Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2 – no matter where you look (or when you look) all you see is the Hand of God
1- In nature – on every level / in chemistry – on every level / in Physics – on every level = Proof of God
Nature = the cycle of “LIFE” = everywhere we look the message in nature =
Since the beginning (birth) – we grow and learn and live our lives (Beginning, Atone, God Tabernacles-x2, true salvation is of the Lord (not world), Passover, Passover, Passover + 50 days and Harvest) – we die – followed by rebirth
Birth – life – death – followed by rebirth = 100% the message of scripture! 100% validates scripture!
Man is made in God’s image – he was born –lived – died – returned to the father and PROVED rebirth
Nature = Intelligent design = the Hand of God = Proof of God
Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2 – no matter where you look (or when you look) all you see is the Hand of God
God is absolute – nothing was created that was not created by Him – all things were created through Him
There is no second creator – no alteration to God’s Will or God’s Plan
God created nature – it is glorious – it is beautiful – and every piece of it witness to the One True Creator – no one else
Inspired Scripture #2 - a chemistry text book because it points to God’s handiwork
Moses walked and talked with God – God gave Moses the Torah – it is Gold
Ezekiel does not agree with Moses 100% - is that 99.9% agreement?
Ezekiel, Isaiah , the Prophets and the Kings all walked had a relationship with God – their words are Most Worthy – one more set added with Torah. The Minor Prophets – another set added with the Torah.
THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE LIBRARY – TEMPLE SCROLLs – there were many other texts there – Enoch, the Book of Creation, Jashar, - 44 other titles mentioned within scripture itself – the MidRash is just a collection of as much of the past as ca be remembered.
Did anyone ever say Enoch = Torah – NO! – yet every Rabbi quotes from Enoch
Did anyone say Enoch=Torah – NO! – yet it is the second most quoted text within the agl
Enoch was common knowledge at the time of Jesus
Has anyone ever said – King Solomon = Torah – NO! – yet he was common knowledge at the time of Jesus
All of it together = Jewish thought – Jewish common knowledge – at the time of Jesus
When Jesus spoke the Gospel – this was the common knowledge of his audience
THE NEW TESTIMENT – written by the disciples – men who walked and talked with Jesus both before and after His Resurrection men who were martyred for their faith
This is not the only writing of the very same authors, James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
Gnostic Gospels – (a term coined by Roman authority) the very same authors, James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, Mary, - they are not Gospels – there are personal revelations and communique
The best collection of these writings = The Nag Hammadi Library (that also contains other text – I don’t consider)
1- this collection has nothing to do with ancient religions or Simon Magnus
2- this collection was hidden in Egypt by a persecuted First Christian group
3- several of the text say within themselves – hide this for the generation of the End-of-Days – or hide them for the generation that will follow
4- The Nag Hammadi was found 1945, WWII ended 1945 that set up Bretton-Woods, 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls are found – with their gnostic WAR SCROLL, 1948 Israel returns to the Promised Land – from every corner of the Globe
Gnostic Christianity = Judaism + the Messiah + the words of the disciples + reality (Romans 1:19 / Psa 19:2) = all of it.
This was the thinking of the First Messianic Jews – The First Christians – the Disciples and Apostilles themselves
This was the theology of the Jews at time of Jesus - the First Messianic Jews – The First Christians – the Disciples and Apostilles themselves
This was / is the original theology of Christianity – 100% Jewish + the Messiah
Abomination – Ezk 8 – the worship of Tammuz within the Temple
Born Dec 25th – on the Winter Equinox - died at age 40 – gored to death by a pig
Tammuz mother returns to earth in an egg – land in the Euphrates valley – on the Spring Equinox - and changes a bird into an egg laying rabbit.
“Born Dec 25th, lent is 40 days, Easter is celebrated at the Spring equinox with colored Easter eggs.
Jewish Jesus was born late fall or spring absolutely NOT Dec 25th – 100% pagan
Jewish Passover is rarely the same as the Spring equinox
Colored Easter eggs and Easter Dinner’s tradition ham – is 100% pagan
The Catholic ritual Lent = 100% pagan
Christmas Tress – with balls on them = 100% pagan
Santa Clause = 100% pagan
ROME – circe 350AD – The Roman Edit
Rome could never control the Jews – because the Jews respond to a higher law
God spanked Rome for their Dysphoria – Maccabean peasants defeated Rome 11 times between 170BC and 160 BC – The Jews were always outnumbered 3 to 1 / 5 to 1 / 10 to 1 with mounted Calvary and elephants – each battle a Jericho – decisive victory for the Maccabean Jews.
The Temple is cleansed – of Tammuz worship (pig sacrifices)
The Temple is rededicate – Chanukah – 164BC
Jesus Christ is born – He live(d) His life witnessing God’s Glory to all nations of the world –
He died a MORTAL death just as all men do/will – He poured out His spirit/ his essence (which was/is divine) / His spirit was released – set free – and it went into the spirit world (it returned to where it came)
Rome could not control the Messianic Jews – the First Christians – why should they listen to any man’s authority – we have the Gospel and a commission / assignment to witness – we have guidance from the HS from within – we should know what is right or wrong – we do not need a government to guide us.
This freedom of thought – lead to the FIRST ARGUMENT – the Arian Controversy
This led to the First Ecumenical Council – at Nicaea
This led to the drafting of – “The Official View” – “The Official Doctrine”
The entire Christian world at the time conformed
However – within 150 years – the Egyptian Church (Coptic) walked away from the Roma Councils – claiming – separation of church and state
Jesus said – he would build His church upon Peter – the Rock
Peter preached from Egypt – John Mark (Gospel of Mark) was Peter’s scribe – and the First Pope of the Coptic Church
All 4 of the first Ecumenical were presided over by a Pope from Alexandra Egypt – not Rome
After the Egyptian Church pulled away – the Roman church was left to the Roman Empire and the marriage of church and state = control and power over the people
King Phillip of France was beloved – but the pope told him if he didn’t cru said the Pope would not allow any Frenchman into heaven. King Phillip could go to war, or be overthrown overnight. – Who has more power?
Dec 825AD Pope Leo crowns Charlemagne Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by the authority of the Church - Who has more power?
Jesus came and gave us the Gospel – Rome becomes the authority and society entered the Dark Ages
The church actually taught to stop bathing – wear the dirt of your sin – sickness was rampant
The church prevented the common man from reading scripture until Luther
The Church persecuted anyone who did not bow to Rome
The Roman Edit
The sola scriptum is not Hebrew – it is the Greek LXX written in Egypt + the agl
The agl IS – a polished composite of 100s of ancient texts
Not all of those ancient texts agree – word for word – that is why we have so many marginal readings
The Textus Receptus – 1611 KJV was written by Erasmus – Erasmus is on the Roman Index of heretics
The official Roman Canon – rejected many ancient texts – some for good cause
AND anything written about the ARCHON – regardless of the author
Rome wants you to believe – James, John, Paul, and Peter wrote the agl and heresy at the same time
Why the need for the Roman Edit – because the reality of the Archon contradicts the Catholic Invented doctrine of Fallen Angels, satan, demons, and hell
Why did Rome invent – the Doctrine of Fallen Angels? – population control
Jews taught – worship the Lord or be lost to the World
Messianic Jews taught – through Jesus Christ the Messiah we can have spiritual power to worship and witness and rise above this WORLD
Rome – taught – if you do not worship church and pay your priest – evil spirits will drag you to hell. Satan is evil and he wants you for his kingdom – a place called hell with eternal torment – fire and brimstone. Sickness is the result of sin. All the church had to do was point a finger and you could be burnt at the stake.
The Legacy of the Roman Edit
Absolute authority results in arrogance – arrogance breads ignorance
Beginning with the Renaissance – the church FAILED to keep pace with education
Education began exposing the ignorance of the church – Copernicus / Galileo / medicine
The church ban on autopsies – held medicine back centuries
There was a lot of animosity between the educated worlds and the church – before Darwin
Since Darwin – the church has just given up in the race to educate
The Modern World – has become to educated to accept the church anymore
Bible stories have lost their reality
Was it 6 Days? Was it a global flood? Were all the animals on the Ark? The age of the earth? Did the Red Sea really part, or was it the Reed Sea? Did an axe float on the water? Did Jesus really raise from the dead? Was Jesus married?
All of has become fairy tale – mythology – Jonah in the belly of a big fish?
Fairy tale and myth?
Ancient pagan gods – Zeus, Mars, Athena – storm gods – myth / fairy tale
Native gods and spirits – myth / fairy tale
Aliens / UFOs – the church says – myth / fairy tale
All of it replaced by – a close angel with God – who turn against God – who opposes God – who takes God’s angels away from God – and wars against God –
So even angels can fall from God’s Grace – so man better be churchy – and listen to churchy – or satan will get you
Today – even this is a fairy tale – it has become Halloween and celebrated for fun once a year
Gnostic literature – is written by men I respect – the disciples themselves
It exist on only one ancient form – incomplete – with no other copies to compare with
Some of the translations within it are very rough – questionable even
This is not the text fault – or the authors – but of history
How is this any different to my view?
From the beginning
There is only One True God – in the beginning there was only E
E (God / el singular) = beyond man’s ability to understand – incomprehensible
No man can see the Face of God (el / E) or he will surely die
Man dose experience God in two forms – His Spirit (which is Holy – the Glory of God) and his (form / image) Christ – E = m (Christ – form / matter) c2 (Spirit / Spiritual – heavens)
Is the HS the medium / sustainer of the ALL – YES
The Word was spoken – the Word went out – spread out – reverberated throughout the emptiness – it if the vibration of our EM spectrum from the subatomic to the grand scale
The Word radiated out – through a distance = space/time
The Word is God – experienced at a distance = the Spirit of God
Spirit – is a thing – it is life – each spirit is a unique and separate individual
God is spirit – we call that Spirit Holy
God is on His throne – Through Spirit he is also with a man in Africa, and two in India, several in Australia – all at the same time – while listening to and answering 20 zillion prayers – everywhere / anywhere all at the same time
Robert asks – how can God possible do that?
Answer – God is absolute – He is omnipotent (all powerful) He is omnipresent (everywhere) He is omniscient (knows everything) – Limits placed upon God by man are STUPID
Angels are spirit – each individual, unique, and independent – a one of a kind
Man is spirit - each individual, unique, and independent – a one of a kind
Angels and man = the host of heaven – it is our true home – our true form – and to where we will return
All of this is Robert’s tov utopia - Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens …
This is the Gnostic ‘First Age’ – the age when only spirit existed – all tov
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Gen 1:1 then God created the … the earth.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.
This is not an angel – the Beast = the devil = the serpent race of Gen 3 – biological – the same family – the Beast and his offspring
Gnostic text add –
1- he is not an angel because he is made with some matter – with matter comes (yester ra) – and the very first though of the Beast = self
2- also adds the expression – Left Hand to the theology
Yes God created everything by saying – ‘let there be’
The Beast just appeared – secret / mystery / of the Left Hand
Gnostic text add – the terminology ARCHON
Through the many centuries – these same creatures have been written about by many peoples in many languages = many names and titles = many ‘other gods’ = all the same family
David Ike said - some people call them the serpent race, some call them demonic, Islam call them Jinn
Nag Hammadi – First Century Christians called them ARCHON – all the same creatures
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Devour and deceive = ENTROPY – all creation – the rocks, the planets, the stars, biology
Spiritual entropy – forgetting what we all know deep inside – God – denying the reality of God
Rev 12:13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he stalked the woman who had given birth to the male child.
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
It is all God’s Plan / God’s Will – everyone has a role to play in God’s creation
A. Your archon was sinless originally, my cherub was sinless originally
Absolutely NOT – the Beast just appeared – his first thought was of SELF – never PERFECT before the Lord
Your archon was in the garden tempting humans to sin, My cherub was in the garden tempting humans to sin,
Yes – before Eve sinned – the BEAST (serpent race) was in the garden (you say was tov only)
I say the serpent race is a biological thing – made with some matter – just as all ARCHON – offspring of the Beast are.
You say – your cherub is an angel that opposes God (Catholic god of evil) possessed a snake – took over control of the snake – so God cursed the innocent snake
Actually you sat 1/3rd of all God’s angels – changed their own design / function / form to oppose God
And all against God’s Will / changing God’s Plan – without God’s permission - in opposition to God
D"The Contest is man vrs WORLD + man vrs archon (the Beast, devil, serpent race, satanas, and all of them are false prophets – because their only message is WORLD)
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RP"You seem to be saying the archons sinned, and now help humans to sin?
YES – Gen 6:1-4
The archon are already here on/in earth – since Gen 1:2 – long before Adam and Eve
D" YES – Enoch tells us that the 200 – took on human form and lusted – correct
Did all the archon take on human form – no only 200 of them
You cannot argue the archon was programmed because the chief archon chose to sin, seeing the woman, and self rose in it's mind. This action is the same sort of action humans do, it's called sinning. Caused by freewill.
The archon – the serpent race - the beast and all his offspring are (yester ra)
Once they took on a more human form – there is more ways for (yester ra) to express itself
They were selfish, greedy, and lustful before – in human form they just had new ways to do it
This contest had archon creatures subtle, advanced thinkers, saw women, sinned in having sex with them, now God will punish them for their sins, as the archons also sin in getting humans to sin, keeping them in the world.
YES – Very clearly Enoch – Jude the brother of Jesus who quotes Enoch – John – the War Scroll
All tell us clearly of their crime AGAINST NATURE AND MAN
Their imprisonment – and their eventual released to be used again in the Plan of God / Prophesy
Rev 9:1 Then the fifth angel trumpeted, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth. The key to the bottomless pit was given to him.
Rev 9:2 He opened the pit, and smoke rose from the pit like the smoke of a gigantic furnace. The sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.
Rev 9:3 Then from the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given to them like the scorpions have power over the earth.
Rev 9:4 They were told to do no harm to the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only the people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And they were permitted not to kill them, but to torment them for five months—and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a person.
Rev 9:6 In those days, people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.
Your archon chooses to sin with women, my cherub chooses to sin against the Most High
All tell us clearly of their crime AGAINST NATURE AND MAN
You and your god of evil oppose God – contradictory to scripture
Who can oppose God – make Him turn His ways – NO ONE!
Your archon has many others who help him, My cherub has many other cherub who help him too.
YES – the is a race of beings – the serpent race – all family Beast / Archon
They are very real – they are everywhere – they are WORLD
Eph 6:12 – they are our real struggle
Col 1:16 they were made by Him for Him
God’s Will / God’s Plan
You have an angel – that changed his own form and function against God Will – then Changed God’s Plan – and all for the glory of satan –
We each praise a different God
All creation validates my God - All scripture validates my God
You must deny so much scripture and the world around you to support your satan doctrine
Just to protect and defend the divinity of your satan
Jun 5, 2020 18:55:58 GMT -5 @robertt said:
Dave writes: "See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that?