Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2021 11:01:44 GMT -5
RP"Dave you can't even give me a text where angels are created?
D" Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens
R" In other words you have no Bible text for messengers as angels ever being created, only this text which does not hint at any messenger being created, could easily apply to humans, or cosmic time?
Gen 2:1 And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
If the your angels are a part of the HOST of heaven – or they are not beast on the ground – then where do your angels exist? – Or are you suggesting the scripture references to angels are myth?
www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/974948/jewish/When-were-the-angels-created.htm
When were the angels created?
By Menachem Posner
Rabbi Yochanan taught that angels were created on the second day of Creation. He sees this reflected in Psalms 104 where we read in the third verse: "Who roofs His upper chambers with water," and in the following verse, "He makes His angels spirits…" He therefore concluded that the angels where created on the second day, the same day that G‑d divided the waters, creating an "upper chambers with water."
In addition, in the description of the story of creation (Genesis 1), there’s an interesting lingual anomaly. After the first day of creation the Torah says, "It was evening it was day, one day." After the succeeding days, "It was evening it was day, the second day... third day... fourth day... etc." Following this sequence, after the first day the Torah should logically have said, "It was evening it was day, the first day"? Why "one day"? From this our Sages infer that the first day was a day of "oneness," when G‑d was one and alone, for all His assistants, the angels, were created on the following day.
OK – I use scripture to suggest Day 1 – because Gen 2:1 (all the HOST of heaven) +Gen 2:4 (the generation thereof)
Rabbi says – Day 2 because Day 1 was a DAY of ONENESS – and then says the way time is measured /counted for Day 1 is different than the next 5 Days.
Ponder – Robert keeps saying – can’t God make a tov only world?
Answer = YES – Gen 1:1 – when all was right
BUT THEN creation began to take shape and the First Sentient made with some matter was created – and its first thought was only of the matter – only of self
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
H2822 - chôshek - From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity.
It and all of its offspring were ejected from tov only heaven to earth as its entropic ra
Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light!” and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good. So God distinguished the light from the darkness.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Summary
Gen 1:1 – all the tov host of heaven – tov angels and man (Robert’s Utopia)
Gen 1:2 – the Beast, devil, satanas, serpent race
Gen 1:3 the Light – God in the image of earthy form – physical form – the image of God
Gen 2:1 all the host of heaven – man, angels, and archon / Beast – Christ (not created but God expressed into the physical) E=m(physical)c2(non-physical / ethereal)
Gen 1:24 – humanoids – soul less – just beast of the field
Gen 2:7 – The first Adam – spirit + body = human being –a being in human form
All very Gerald Schroeder – All very Jewish – All common knowledge centuries before science ever suggested any of it
Even the humanoid thing completely validated by a more completed fossil record centuries after Jewish commentary suggested.
Why don’t the Jews specifically speak of the creation of their Beelzebub and the shedim?
King Solomon spoke of them – described them – many other text refer to them
Because their creation story was not REVEALED until the Book of Revelation
The Beast – waiting to devour – his offspring the serpent race – also called devils and satanas
Who are the ‘other gods’ of the 99%
Who are ‘OUR REAL STRUGGLE’ – Eph 6:12 principalities / archon / demons / satanas / Beelzebub and his shedim
Is there any other text anywhere that speak of the creation story of the Beast
Yes – written by the same authors that wrote the agl – John, James, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
Many are the exact same text that are listed on the Roman Index