Post by Richard on Oct 2, 2021 13:01:13 GMT -5
Your answers to this spirit thing you believe in would be appreciated.
Robert,
It is difficult to tell if you are serious, or if you just like to hear yourself talk. I will not engage you with your combative attitude. However, you ask a question that deserves an answer.
I make no claim as to insight or expertise. I am just a man that loves the Lord. I also consider myself a spirit led Christian. There are several within our congregation that say they have experienced something unexplainable, or indescribable. Sometimes people feel watched, or nor alone. Many people believe in ghost in some form or another.
Jesus Christ gave away his mortal life to teach us about the salvation of the soul resulting in an eternal spiritual life with the Lord. To the question: What happens when I die? The answer from our fellowship: If you die in Christ, you enter the Lord’s Day of rest with Him. To a child: yes, grandma went to heaven to be with the Lord.
But David is also correct that is depended upon the idea of dying in Christ.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more; but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.
To a child: yes, grandma went to heaven to be with God. Some people just pass away peacefully because God is with them and they are not alone.
As David has told you, Colorado is a very interesting place. There is still a strong presence of Native American, Meso-American, and Catholic Hispanic spirituality alive in the people. The Indians and Hispanic had sacred religious sites identified long before the white man came here. There is just so much evidence of a spiritual reality all around us that it is impossible to deny.
I am not Jewish or have any Jewish background, but as I search the term ‘spirit’ in the Jewish Encyclopedia, I was directed to: Holy Spirit, Evil Spirits, and Soul
jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12340-preexistence-of-the-soul#sts=SOUL%20(,%20from%20and%20=
SOUL (, from and = "he breathed"; equivalent to the Latin "anima" and "spiritus"):
In the following passages: "The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord" (Prov. xx. 27); "There is a spirit in man" (Job xxxii. 8); "The spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl. xii. 7). The soul is called in Biblical literature "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah." The first of these terms denotes the spirit in its primitive state; the second, in its association with the body; the third, in its activity while in the body.
An explicit statement of the doctrine of the preexistence of the soul is found in the Apocrypha: "All souls are prepared before the foundation of the world" (Slavonic Book of Enoch, xxiii. 5); and according to II Esd. iv. 35 et seq. the number of the righteous who are to come into the world is foreordained from the beginning. All souls are, therefore, preexistent, although the number of those which are to become incorporated is not determined at the very first. As a matter of fact, there are souls of different quality. Solomon says (Wisdom viii. 19 et seq., R. V.): "Now I was a child of parts, and a good soul fell to my lot; nay, rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled." The body returns to earth when its possessor "is required to render back the soul which was lent him" (ib. xv. 8, R. V.). The Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch xxx. 2-3 (Kautzsch, "Apokryphen," ii. 423) distinguishes between righteous and common souls in the following passage, which describes the Messianic period and which is characteristic of the concept of preexistence: "The storehouses in which the foreordained number of souls is kept shall be opened, and the souls shall go forth, and the many souls shall appear all at once, as a host with one mind. And the first shall rejoice, and the last shall not be sad."
The soul is called in Biblical literature "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah." The first of these terms denotes the spirit in its primitive state; the second, in its association with the body; the third, in its activity while in the body.
Obligate Trinitarian: "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah.": Spirit, Soul, body; just seems overly complicated. God is a Trinity, but man never can only experience him in his duality of spirit and flesh, Holy Spirit and Flesh, Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ.
Christian Duality: man is spirit, mortal man is spirit and flesh. We are man in God’s image. God is/was Jesus Christ, fully man Jesus and fully divine spirit Christ, a duality. Why is duality the dominate Christian theme, because we exist within the duality of good and evil, tov and ra, God or world, life or death, eternal life or eternal death. We experience our reality as a duality. Deep inside I desire tov, I desire God, deep inside I know better and want better; but as the animal the things I want dominate my attitude. The pride of being correct is a selfish attitude. An attitude of anger and frustration, the feeling of being disrespected, or not being taken seriously is also a test of our endurance and patience.
"ruaḥ," spirit
("nefesh," and "neshamah.") soul, spirit within the body
("nefesh," and "neshamah.") soul and the expression of the soul, gifts of the spirit
Christian spirit/soul
inters.org/John-Paul-II-Catechesis-Spiritual-Corporeal
Humans Are Spiritual and Corporeal Beings
John Paul II, 1986, April 16
Created in the image of God, man is both a corporeal and spiritual being. Bound to the external world, he also transcends it. Besides being a bodily creature, as a spirit he is a person. This truth about man is an object of our faith, as is the biblical truth about his being constituted in the "image and likeness" of God. It is a truth constantly presented by the Church's Magisterium during the course of the centuries.
In the course of history, this truth has not ceased to be the object of intellectual analysis, both in the sphere of philosophy and of many other human sciences. In a word, it is the object of anthropology.
Man is an incarnate spirit, or if you wish, a body informed by an immortal spirit. This truth can already be inferred in some way from the description of creation contained in the Book of Genesis and in particular from the "Yahwist" account. This account uses a stage setting and anthropomorphic images. We read that "the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being" (Gen 2:7). The continuation of the biblical text helps us clearly understand that created in this way, man is distinguished from the entire visible world, and in particular from the animal world. The "breath of life" has made him capable of knowing these beings, of naming them, and of recognizing that he was different from them (cf. Gen 2:18-20). The "Yahwist" account does not speak of the "soul." Nevertheless we can easily deduce from it that the life given to man in the act of creation transcends the mere corporeal dimension (that which is proper to animals). Beyond the material, it reaches the dimension of the spirit, which contains the essential foundation of that "image of God," which Genesis 1:27 sees in man.
Man is a unit. He is one in himself. But this unity contains a duality. Sacred Scripture presents both the unity (the person) and the duality (body and soul). One thinks of the Book of Sirach which says: "The Lord created man out of earth, and turned him back to it again"; and further on: "He forms men's tongues and eyes and ears, and imparts to them an understanding heart. With wisdom and knowledge he fills them; good and evil he shows them" (17:1, 5-6).
From this point of view, Psalm 8 is particularly significant. Exalting man, it addresses God in the following words: "What is man that you should be mindful of him, or the son of man that you should care for him? You have made him little less than the angels, and crowned him with glory and honor. You have given him rule over the works of your hands, putting all things under his feet" (Ps 8:5-7).
It is frequently emphasized that biblical tradition stresses especially the personal unity of the human being, by using the term "body" to designate the whole man (cf. Ps 145:21, Joel 3:1; Is 66:23; Jn 1:14). The observation is exact. But notwithstanding this, the duality of man is also present in biblical tradition, sometimes very clearly. Christ's words reflect this tradition: "Do not fear those who deprive the body of life but cannot destroy the soul. Rather, fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna" (Mt 10:28).
Biblical sources authorize us to view man as a personal unity and at the same time as a duality of soul and body.
Created in the image of God, man is both a corporeal and spiritual being
Man is an incarnate spirit
Mortal Man is a unit. He is one in himself. But this unity contains a duality.
Robert,
It is difficult to tell if you are serious, or if you just like to hear yourself talk. I will not engage you with your combative attitude. However, you ask a question that deserves an answer.
I make no claim as to insight or expertise. I am just a man that loves the Lord. I also consider myself a spirit led Christian. There are several within our congregation that say they have experienced something unexplainable, or indescribable. Sometimes people feel watched, or nor alone. Many people believe in ghost in some form or another.
Jesus Christ gave away his mortal life to teach us about the salvation of the soul resulting in an eternal spiritual life with the Lord. To the question: What happens when I die? The answer from our fellowship: If you die in Christ, you enter the Lord’s Day of rest with Him. To a child: yes, grandma went to heaven to be with the Lord.
But David is also correct that is depended upon the idea of dying in Christ.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more; but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.
To a child: yes, grandma went to heaven to be with God. Some people just pass away peacefully because God is with them and they are not alone.
As David has told you, Colorado is a very interesting place. There is still a strong presence of Native American, Meso-American, and Catholic Hispanic spirituality alive in the people. The Indians and Hispanic had sacred religious sites identified long before the white man came here. There is just so much evidence of a spiritual reality all around us that it is impossible to deny.
I am not Jewish or have any Jewish background, but as I search the term ‘spirit’ in the Jewish Encyclopedia, I was directed to: Holy Spirit, Evil Spirits, and Soul
jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12340-preexistence-of-the-soul#sts=SOUL%20(,%20from%20and%20=
SOUL (, from and = "he breathed"; equivalent to the Latin "anima" and "spiritus"):
In the following passages: "The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord" (Prov. xx. 27); "There is a spirit in man" (Job xxxii. 8); "The spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl. xii. 7). The soul is called in Biblical literature "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah." The first of these terms denotes the spirit in its primitive state; the second, in its association with the body; the third, in its activity while in the body.
An explicit statement of the doctrine of the preexistence of the soul is found in the Apocrypha: "All souls are prepared before the foundation of the world" (Slavonic Book of Enoch, xxiii. 5); and according to II Esd. iv. 35 et seq. the number of the righteous who are to come into the world is foreordained from the beginning. All souls are, therefore, preexistent, although the number of those which are to become incorporated is not determined at the very first. As a matter of fact, there are souls of different quality. Solomon says (Wisdom viii. 19 et seq., R. V.): "Now I was a child of parts, and a good soul fell to my lot; nay, rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled." The body returns to earth when its possessor "is required to render back the soul which was lent him" (ib. xv. 8, R. V.). The Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch xxx. 2-3 (Kautzsch, "Apokryphen," ii. 423) distinguishes between righteous and common souls in the following passage, which describes the Messianic period and which is characteristic of the concept of preexistence: "The storehouses in which the foreordained number of souls is kept shall be opened, and the souls shall go forth, and the many souls shall appear all at once, as a host with one mind. And the first shall rejoice, and the last shall not be sad."
The soul is called in Biblical literature "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah." The first of these terms denotes the spirit in its primitive state; the second, in its association with the body; the third, in its activity while in the body.
Obligate Trinitarian: "ruaḥ," "nefesh," and "neshamah.": Spirit, Soul, body; just seems overly complicated. God is a Trinity, but man never can only experience him in his duality of spirit and flesh, Holy Spirit and Flesh, Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ.
Christian Duality: man is spirit, mortal man is spirit and flesh. We are man in God’s image. God is/was Jesus Christ, fully man Jesus and fully divine spirit Christ, a duality. Why is duality the dominate Christian theme, because we exist within the duality of good and evil, tov and ra, God or world, life or death, eternal life or eternal death. We experience our reality as a duality. Deep inside I desire tov, I desire God, deep inside I know better and want better; but as the animal the things I want dominate my attitude. The pride of being correct is a selfish attitude. An attitude of anger and frustration, the feeling of being disrespected, or not being taken seriously is also a test of our endurance and patience.
"ruaḥ," spirit
("nefesh," and "neshamah.") soul, spirit within the body
("nefesh," and "neshamah.") soul and the expression of the soul, gifts of the spirit
Christian spirit/soul
inters.org/John-Paul-II-Catechesis-Spiritual-Corporeal
Humans Are Spiritual and Corporeal Beings
John Paul II, 1986, April 16
Created in the image of God, man is both a corporeal and spiritual being. Bound to the external world, he also transcends it. Besides being a bodily creature, as a spirit he is a person. This truth about man is an object of our faith, as is the biblical truth about his being constituted in the "image and likeness" of God. It is a truth constantly presented by the Church's Magisterium during the course of the centuries.
In the course of history, this truth has not ceased to be the object of intellectual analysis, both in the sphere of philosophy and of many other human sciences. In a word, it is the object of anthropology.
Man is an incarnate spirit, or if you wish, a body informed by an immortal spirit. This truth can already be inferred in some way from the description of creation contained in the Book of Genesis and in particular from the "Yahwist" account. This account uses a stage setting and anthropomorphic images. We read that "the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being" (Gen 2:7). The continuation of the biblical text helps us clearly understand that created in this way, man is distinguished from the entire visible world, and in particular from the animal world. The "breath of life" has made him capable of knowing these beings, of naming them, and of recognizing that he was different from them (cf. Gen 2:18-20). The "Yahwist" account does not speak of the "soul." Nevertheless we can easily deduce from it that the life given to man in the act of creation transcends the mere corporeal dimension (that which is proper to animals). Beyond the material, it reaches the dimension of the spirit, which contains the essential foundation of that "image of God," which Genesis 1:27 sees in man.
Man is a unit. He is one in himself. But this unity contains a duality. Sacred Scripture presents both the unity (the person) and the duality (body and soul). One thinks of the Book of Sirach which says: "The Lord created man out of earth, and turned him back to it again"; and further on: "He forms men's tongues and eyes and ears, and imparts to them an understanding heart. With wisdom and knowledge he fills them; good and evil he shows them" (17:1, 5-6).
From this point of view, Psalm 8 is particularly significant. Exalting man, it addresses God in the following words: "What is man that you should be mindful of him, or the son of man that you should care for him? You have made him little less than the angels, and crowned him with glory and honor. You have given him rule over the works of your hands, putting all things under his feet" (Ps 8:5-7).
It is frequently emphasized that biblical tradition stresses especially the personal unity of the human being, by using the term "body" to designate the whole man (cf. Ps 145:21, Joel 3:1; Is 66:23; Jn 1:14). The observation is exact. But notwithstanding this, the duality of man is also present in biblical tradition, sometimes very clearly. Christ's words reflect this tradition: "Do not fear those who deprive the body of life but cannot destroy the soul. Rather, fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna" (Mt 10:28).
Biblical sources authorize us to view man as a personal unity and at the same time as a duality of soul and body.
Created in the image of God, man is both a corporeal and spiritual being
Man is an incarnate spirit
Mortal Man is a unit. He is one in himself. But this unity contains a duality.
