James 2:14 Faith and Works

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Greetings Dave

Rp" I did already

afaithfulversion.org/commentary-new-testament-canonized/

D" OK – now post a peer review
A second source that validates the first source
This is such an amazing revelation there must be 100s of scholarly articles about it, but I can't find any - so I ask you again - please provide documentation

R" You ask difficult things? Does GOD document scores and scores of verses for His truth?

OK I had a read of Fred Coultier and his doctrines (afaithfulversion.org/)

The Holy Spirit is not a person or a third member of a so-called trinity. The Holy Spirit is the power by which God the Father and God the Son accomplish Their will.

The love of God is revealed in that the God Family created mankind in Their image and Their likeness

The Elohim of the God Family Who later became Jesus Christ personally created Adam and Eve with His own hands.

Prior to His human birth, the Elohim of the God Family, Who became the Son, eternally existed with the Elohim of the God Family Who became the Father.

God—the Hebrew word is Elohim, a plural noun inherently meaning more than one—is a holy Family of intelligent Beings, composed of spirit.

Sorry Dave in order to help you, this stuff is also wrong. So to me everything is wrong.

There is a reason why GOD saw fit to supply the church at the end of time with a prophet. Too much fuzzy ideas going around.

So I can't help you, unless you are willing for me to post Ellen White stuff on this theme? It's really hard to find what you ask.


As for Dr Patton digging the Dead Sea scrolls to verify Scriptures, if the authorities knew his real intent, they would refuse digging rights. Most Authorities are imposed to finding truth/

For me personally I accept if GOD is smart and clever, surely all the truth must be somewhere preserved in  holy  books. And to me, in order for God to save people, the common received text fits this criteria. Sure maybe not all books, but enough to get people saved by God. Are you suggesting people can't be saved unless they have all the books? Rom 2 suggests we are saved by the light we individually live up to.

I am sure the Books of Moses has enough truth (plus a few prophets)  in it to save all those seeking salvation.
And yet Moses does not speak of "amanuah" much, but does of "man", the physical simile for faith, which the people ate physically as "manna" (greek) but did not catch the spiritual significance of what they were doing.

Shalom

[Dave]

D" OK – now post a peer review
A second source that validates the first source
This is such an amazing revelation there must be 100s of scholarly articles about it, but I can't find any - so I ask you again - please provide documentation

R" You ask difficult things? Does GOD document scores and scores of verses for His truth?
So I can't help you, unless you are willing for me to post Ellen White stuff on this theme? It's really hard to find what you ask.

No Robert – the guy who FIRST discovered this would have raced to PUBLISH
Then 1000s of other scholars – like our friend Dab Black – would have done their best to catch him in an error – and be the FIRST to PUBLISH that error.

If what you say is true – how can it be a secret?
Only secret things – are conspiracy theories that do not like peer review (no don't see the evidence- just believe me)

Sorry Dave in order to help you, this stuff is also wrong. So to me everything is wrong.

Yes Robert – to you everything is wrong – you fight and resist everything
I told you long ago – I know who you are – you are a cantankerous personality type – you cannot help who you are. BUT IT TAKES MUCH PATIENCE TO PUT UP WITH YOU

So to me everything is wrong.
To me this is why – to you everything must fit Ellen White’s theology
The problem is almost nothing in reality reflects Ellen White’s view
Ellen White Christianity is not mainstream in any sense of the word

So when you look at Christianity outside of Ellen White – you are immediately confused – because you have so little in common. Rich and I have spoke privately about your interesting anti-Christian doctrine

There is only One God – you say NO – more 3 at least
Christ = God – you say NO - not biologically possible
Christians long for heaven – you say NO – only the grave
I have always heard the call – First Fruits / Born Again – you mock and say hokie pokie
Christian preach the salvation of the immortal soul – you have argued against t both

So to you everything mainstream Christian is wrong.

I am not calling you not saved or any such crap – I am sure you are – and you are headed to proportional punishment for the things you say about the Holy Spirit before the First resurrection – just as you expect
AS WE ALL EXPECT – anyone who claim that he has been given a DIVINE PARDON is sure not humble enough to receive one
Did Paul say – look at me I am perfect now- NO
Paul said now that I am perfect is – gnosis of the lord in my soul – all he could admit is the sinfulness of his body

Why can’t you see the Christianity in your own reference
OK I had a read of Fred Coultier and his doctrines (afaithfulversion.org/)

The Holy Spirit is not a person or a third member of a so-called trinity. The Holy Spirit is the power by which God the Father and God the Son accomplish Their will.
Correct in an abstract way – the HS = the Spirit of God. God at distance. God never leaves His Throne, but His Spirit emanates out / radiates out invisible undetectably as the ether of the ALL / matrix / medium.
God = Christ therefore the HS = Christ at distance – Christ as Spirit, the Comforter, Christ within us

The love of God is revealed in that the God Family created mankind in Their image and Their likeness
The Elohim of the God Family Who later became Jesus Christ personally created Adam and Eve with His own hands.

God became a man known as Jesus Christ

Prior to His human birth, the Elohim of the God Family, Who became the Son, eternally existed with the Elohim of the God Family Who became the Father.

God = Christ / Christ = God
Spirit of God = HS the Comforter / Christ within us
Christ = Jesus Christ a man (God incarnate!)

There is a reason why GOD saw fit to supply the church at the end of time with a prophet. Too much fuzzy ideas going around.

NOPE – just mainstream Christianity
Expressed by different people from different cultures
You miss the idea – you miss the message – you miss the concept being expressed
BECAUSE you are too busy denying words!

Do I support this guy – I have no idea, don’t know him
But he speaks more like a Christian than you do – Mr deny everything

For me personally I accept if GOD is smart and clever, surely all the truth must be somewhere preserved in holy books.
The TRUTH IS EVERYWHERE – Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20
There is only One True Creator – how can anything deny that?

2Ti 3:16 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness:

1Th 5:16 Rejoice always;
1Th 5:17 pray without ceasing;
1Th 5:18 in everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus to you-ward.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit;
1Th 5:20 despise not (Spirit – people who claim to have seen God or Christ in a ‘light bulb’ moment you call it)
1Th 5:21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good;

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Greetings Dave

Rich and I have spoke privately about your interesting anti-Christian doctrine.

I see.

I quote from Ellen White, our prophet, from a sermon she did at Avondale College March 25 1899:-

" The Lord says this because He knows it is for our good. He would build a wall around us, to keep us from transgression, so that His blessing and love may be bestowed on us in rich measure. This is the reason we have established a school here. The Lord instructed us that this was the place in which we should locate, and we have had every reason to think that we are in the right place. We have been brought together as a school, and we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes; that the Lord God is our Keeper and Helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every thought of the mind."

To us, who are fortunate enough to have such words, the Holy Spirit is as much an independent person as the Lord Jesus is, and as the Father is, thus are are members of a divine Family.

I note Fred Coultier uses the term "God family" incorrectly, a family cannot be One, or two or even three members who are all masculine in personality. That use of meaning is along the secular meaning of the gay movement. At least Jews say elohiym is both masculine and feminine in expressions. 

I even disagree also with Lita Cosner on this, and she is a member of Answers in Genesis:

creation.com/whats-in-a-pronoun-the-divine-gender-controversy

now known as Lita Sanders:

I published a rebuttal of her published article here:-

spiritualsprings.org/ss-1330.htm

Please find the time to read it. I list dozens of Bible texts, and later go on to prove this to my fellow SDA people, who consider the HS to be a masculine personality.

SHalom

Regarding the term "faith and works" I would like your friend Richard, to read through this study, and I would like his opinion, I would not want to be off the track, as you both think and say I am. 

spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm

The study is long, because the word amanuah is important to get the truth correctly. I use Jeff Benner and the Bible only.  Shalom

[Dave]

Regarding the term "faith and works" I would like your friend Richard, to read through this study, and I would like his opinion, I would not want to be off the track, as you both think and say I am.

I am pretty sure he gave you his opinion
I feel blessed that he posted here
Perhapse you should take a moment and read it

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Ok thanks, I will.
SHalom