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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2021 15:12:43 GMT -5
D"Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? R" Why do we need rescuing from our body of death? Because the body comes with (yestar ra) programmed into our biology – self-preservation = SELFSo our real enemy is our sinning, but unfortunately for us once we do sinning, the sin affect becomes epi-genetic, and hence our body becomes a body unto death.And where did sin come from? Not from God.You just answered your own question - our real enemy is our sinningD"You teach this verse as His Spirit teaches the HS within us R Not quite Dave, The spirit of Jesus is administrated by the HS inside of us, when our souls choose to support this power, and thus the HS living inside of us is administrating the living aspect of our souls, so we become living independent entities, take this power and allow it to empower a character development similar to Jesus character of love. when our souls – how can you say this – you have argued against the concept for over a year You say man has no soul – no spirit of his own – we are just HS driven biology with memories Dave has a extreme view of Scripture:-Isa 45:7 (GOD creates RA) I, Adonai, do all these things. (Joh 1:3) All things, including RA and SIN, were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. Col 1:16 For by Him all things, including RA and SIN, were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. So in your view, GOD creates SIN and RA and all things both good and bad come from GOD.Again – for the MILLIONTH TIME Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things. God created the tov and the raRom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. Man introduced sin into the worldD"Ezk 28 is all about man – I do not deny it all R" SO man is a cherub, what happened to the similes of poetry Dave? Therefore man can fly GOD places in the heavens, and MAN lives with GOD, thus GOD dwells between MAN?? YEP – in the well of souls (not scripture but Jewish) Man was created on day 1 with all the other host of heaven Man’s true home is heaven – we come into this world – then we retune to God
D"IT IS NOT THE TREE OF TOV AND RA - IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE TWO R" OK so now the bad tree is named as two components? Does the Devil, only do RA things, Dave? or RA and TOV things? which is it?Do cows only do ra things? Or do they do both tov and ra things?D"How do you know – you are not even interested in who they are R Funny Dave. Of course I study scripture. I know who they are. Then why didn’t you answer Firsdt you called them made up stuff Then you just said “I don’t know “--------------------------- D"You argue over and over - your satan angel cannot not have offspring So - who is satan's seed? R" Same logic, that Jesus cannot have offspring, so who is Jesus' seed?DUH – it is not Jesus’ seed – it is the seed of Eve = Jesus
D"If you argue they are not real physical beings - then how can Eve's seed be physical beings Eve carries within her future seed for biological children of Adam. Jesus came into the biological seed of Eve and thus was biologically descended from Eve's seed. R" Same logic, that Jesus cannot have offspring, so who is Jesus' seed?PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND--------------------- D"Who are the Hebrew satyrs ? R " a god in Greek literature who is half man and half goat ? You tell me, and show me a verse using this word?Lev 17:7 They are no longer to offer their sacrifices to the goat-demons after which they play the prostitute. Isa 13:21 But desert creatures will lie there. Their houses will be full of owls. Ostriches will dwell there, and goat-demons will dance there. 2Ch 11:15 (KJV) And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made. jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13223-satyr2 Chron. xi. 15 the Authorized Version renders the word by "devil," the Revised Version by "he-goat," and the Revised Version, margin, by "satyr." The old versions use for it a word denoting a demon, false god, or a hairy being. It is certain that a natural animal is not intended in these passages. Thus in Isaiah the se'irim are mentioned together with Lilith and animals of the desert and desolate places, and are described as "dancing" and "calling to one another"; in the other passages they are referred to as objects of worship. D"Who are the Hebrew satyrs ? – the same as - a demi-god in Greek literature who is half man and half goat ? Why is Hebrew satyr the same as Greek satyr?Because the other-gods of the 99% - are all the same – the Beast, the devil, the serpent, and satanas----------------------------- D" the Rephiem are just made up stuff? R For me? YesSo – you admit that a lot of your ahl is not real – just made up stuff
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 13:03:39 GMT -5
D"You just answered your own question - our real enemy is our sinning R" Yes. correct. And where does sinning come from Dave?
D" when our souls – how can you say this – you have argued against the concept for over a year You say man has no soul – no spirit of his own – we are just HS driven biology with memories R" Dave man has a soul, that word is used hundreds of times in the OT and NT.
But we have no independent "spirit" that word means the medium (HS).
And than I showed you the term "breathing" n@shamah, is a term for "man's spirit" is the sense that is something like our character, that the soul develops, that makes us who we are.
D" no spirit of his own R" correct. This term is divine.
breathing" n@shamah, is a term for "man's spirit" . This term is biological, and so man's spirit, is the biological development of our character, administrated by the HS who lives within us. D"we are just HS driven biology with memories R" Yes that is OK as an analogy.
Man cannot own anything divine. Divine only comes from GOD. Hope this helps.
D"Again – for the MILLIONTH TIME Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things. God created the tov and the ra R" Again you are not answering my question Dave. I get it that GOD has to make that which is imaginary and cannot exist, exist as SIN/RA, because wicked persons what such things to exist. But I asked you, does your GOD also do SIN and RA, as a part of His character of love?
My GOD cannot do SIN and RA, not ever in any way. God never wounded any person. However God does judge SIN.
God gave me this thought: Ratsach is wounding the person from the outside, that causes the inside to extinguish, ie fall away as a living machine.
Judging is a process of the person falling away from the inside, so the person becomes consume away noticeably on the outside, as their eye sockets fall away and their limbs fall to the ground, as their living, as a force is extinguished by GOD.
The processes are completely different. Only God can judge and extinguish people in this way, since only GOD is living. Our living is gifted to us by God via the HS living in us.
D" Man introduced sin into the world R" Not so. SIN was already in the earth before Mankind sinned. Adam's sin affected Adam's creation for Adam. The earth before Adam was already subject to RA from some sinning long before Adam and His Creation existed on earth. But you ignore the verses that say this idea, Rev 12 and Ezekiel 28.
D"DUH – it is not Jesus’ seed – it is the seed of Eve = Jesus R" explain Dave?
Ps 2:12 Kiss the SEED, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
The KJV fails to translate bar as Seed, an aramaic term? Why must humans kiss the seed, who is Jesus?
Because the word is personified by Jesus, the Father's words are made into Jesus as seeds of power that grow. The word imrah is all about this idea. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Divinity became matter and thus the divinity of the word became the seeds of new spirit. It's a spiritual idea that is literally true.
Jesus said we must drink His blood and eat His flesh. Jesus is the manna that fell from heaven.
The biological part of the seed came from Mary, yes, from Eve, but from the Mother, the HS. So the DNA is really of divine origin. This divine code is replanted in a divine perfect form into Jesus, through Mary.
As the seed germinates, it grows, and this is a simile of salvation in us.
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Dave shows the word Hebrew satyrs " Le 17:7 And they shall no more offer <zabach> their sacrifices <zebach> unto devils <sa`iyr>, after <'achar> whom they have gone a whoring <zanah>.
Rob replies, interesting.
Hebrew satyrs seems to mean "hairy" ? 57 verses
Jeff says the word means "goat" ? Hardly
Ge 27:11 And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:
Was Esau a goat man, ?
D" So – you admit that a lot of your ahl is not real – just made up stuff
R" No. Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants <n@phiyl> in the earth This word means giants. Not some demigod made by sexing humans to archon rulers.
However to come over a little to your cause, I will try to help you somewhat
Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 75.2 (Ellen Gould White) Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
This term amalgamation, seems to refer to Genetic Modifications, or something like that. Like our GMO we do today? SO in ancient times before the flood, humans were advanced, more so that us, and making GMO humans, and allowing them to breed and multiply. We are getting closer to this time: ie in the days of before the great flood so shall the coming of Jesus be.
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2021 13:44:26 GMT -5
D"You just answered your own question - our real enemy is our sinning R" Yes. correct. And where does sinning come from Dave? Our sinning = man = mankind = Adam
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
What was the sin – there was only one commandment – and Adam transgressed that commandment / disobeyed
D" when our souls – how can you say this – you have argued against the concept for over a year You say man has no soul – no spirit of his own – we are just HS driven biology with memories R" Dave man has a soul, that word is used hundreds of times in the OT and NT. But we have no independent "spirit" that word means the medium (HS). So there is no such thing as man – we are all just little pieces of the HS Why does your HS sin? And transgress Gods laws? Is it the HS that is cast into the Lake of Fire? You have refused to answer these question before -will you answer them now?
D" no spirit of his own R" correct. This term is divine. So in your opinion – evil spirits are divine SEE - you make your satan a god / divine
Man cannot own anything divine. Divine only comes from GOD. Hope this helps. Correct – Gen 2:7 spirit and body are mated together
The word imrah is all about this idea. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Divinity became matter You sure spent a lot of time arguing against this concept How can God be in heaven and earth at the same time – it is impossible for your God
Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants <n@phiyl> in the earth This word means giants. Not some demigod made by sexing humans to archon rulers. Your definition is incorrect and incomplete
(wiki) In Greek and Roman Mythology, the Giants, also called Gigantes (Greek: Γίγαντες, Gígantes, singular: Γίγας, Gígas), were a race of great strength and aggression, though not necessarily of great size. The Giants were the offspring of Gaia (Earth), born from the blood that fell when Uranus (Sky) was castrated by his Titan son Cronus.
Greek Giants = child of Gia (earth) Greek Giants = demi-gods ½ earth + ½ gods
However to come over a little to your cause, I will try to help you somewhat Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 75.2 (Ellen Gould White) Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. Were there sharks on the ark? Whales? Gold Fish?
The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
You deny that bane elohiym can have offspring / seed with mortal creatures. But now you admit an amalgamation Please make up your mind flip flop man
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Post by Dillon on Aug 4, 2021 14:58:11 GMT -5
D"You just answered your own question - our real enemy is our sinning R" Yes. correct. And where does sinning come from Dave? Our sinning = man = mankind = Adam
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
What was the sin – there was only one commandment – and Adam transgressed that commandment / disobeyed
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Dave you ask, what law was transgressed in Revelations 12? If Revelation 12 happened before Adam and Eve then the answer seems to be Romans 5:13. There was no law. So no law was transgressed. God told all the animals to grow and multiply. Animals hunted each other, killed each other, and ate each other. It cannot be a sin because there was no law against it. Today animals grow and multiply, hunt each other, kill each other, and ate each other. It cannot be a sin because there is no law against it.
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This does seem to be contradictory doesn’t it? If Catholic Christianity is the correct Christianity, why isn’t all Christianity just Catholic?
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2021 8:57:57 GMT -5
You admit that the Catholic Church is a satanic cult – satan centric – and their satan is correct Explain this to me Robert – how can you possible believe BOTH This does seem to be contradictory doesn’t it? If Catholic Christianity is the correct Christianity, why isn’t all Christianity just Catholic? Robert is 100% Catholic – his SDA doctrine is copies word for word from Catholic Catechism of Fallen Angelswww.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1C.HTM#-DOII. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268 392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271 393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death." None of this theology existed before this document was written!Also - Robert is an SDA (Seventh day Adventist) - it is what is left of a failed prophecy group in 1830s Utah, called the Millerites - and most of his knowledge comes from reading the writtings of Ellen White - the wife of an elder of that group But he claims to return to the true Torah He does not translate - or study passages - he just picks individual words to argue about - I say he is just playing a word game to confuse and cast doubt - and in it all - his satan is a god at war with the Creator. He denies the Trinity He denies that Jesus Christ was God incarnate He denies the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God He say man has a soul made of biology but it can not be a spirit - man has no spirit He once explained to me how the soul of Jesus was killed by his satan on the cross He denies First Fruits - then he agrees they are real but not for the SDA believers He denies that the intelligent design of nature reflects God as the creator all he can see - and all he is able to talk about is - his cherub chata and his satan god So far removed from Judaism So far removed from Messanic Judaism So far removed from Messanic Christianity SDA doctrine is not the same religion - it is an Ellen White version of Roman Catechism
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Post by Dillon on Aug 5, 2021 11:26:26 GMT -5
The Seventh-day Adventist Church is a Protestant Christian denomination which is distinguished by its observance of Saturday, the seventh day of the week in Christian and Jewish calendars, as the Sabbath, and its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (advent) of Jesus Christ.
Gosh, on the surface they bill themselves as just another Christian Church
Here are things you should know about that denomination:
Seventh-day Adventism (hereafter SDA) sprung up in upstate New York in the 1840s, an offshoot of the Millerite movement that arose during the religious revival known as the Second Great Awakening. At that time a Baptist preacher named William Miller predicted and preached that, based on his reading of Daniel 8:14, Christ would return sometime between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. The failure of this prediction—known as the Great Disappointment—led many Millerites to become disillusioned. But Hiram Edson claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus standing at the altar of heaven and concluded that Miller had been right about the time but wrong about the place. As Matt Slick explains, “In other words, Jesus’s return was not to earth but a move into the heavenly sanctuary as is referenced in Hebrews 8:1-2.”
SDAs claim the Bible as their “only creed” and consider the movement to be “the result of the Protestant conviction Sola Scriptura—the Bible as the only standard of faith and practice for Christians.”
The 28 Fundamental Beliefs are Do you accept the teachings of the Bible as expressed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church,
What is the difference between having to believe the Bible as the SDA book called Statement of Fundamental Beliefs and a Catholic book called Catechism? They say, the Bible as the only standard of faith and practice for Christians. Then they say you must believe it as the SDA book tells you to.
Most of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs are similar to doctrines professed by evangelical Protestant denominations. The three main SDA doctrines considered heterodox by evangelicals are Sabbatarianism (a required observance of the Sabbath, which they believe falls on Saturday), the gift of prophecy as “manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White,” and the Sanctuary Doctrine.
They say, the Bible as the only standard of faith and practice for Christians, but they have another book of prophesy by another prophet.
The Sanctuary Doctrine is the most distinctive Adventist doctrine. Orthodox Christians commonly hold that Jesus, as our high priest, intercedes for us at God’s right hand (Heb 4:14-16; 6:20; 7:25). But SDAs also believe that Christ entered the “sanctuary in heaven” and after a “prophetic period of 2,300 days” (ending in 1844) he entered the second and last phase of his atoning ministry, a work of “blotting out” sin. As Kenneth R. Samples explains,
From his ascension until 1844, Jesus had been applying the forgiveness he purchased on the cross in the first compartment of the sanctuary, but in 1844, he entered the second compartment and began to investigate the lives of those who had received forgiveness to see if they were worthy of eternal life. Only those who passed this judgment could be assured of being translated at his coming. This doctrine gave rise to what later became known as the sinless perfection teaching (perfect commandment-keeping in order to find acceptance in the judgment). Following the investigative judgment, Christ would come out of the heavenly sanctuary and return to earth bringing to every man his reward, and ushering in the great and terrible day of the Lord. It is 1844, and the events described above, which mark the beginning of SDA.
The other unique belief of SDA is in the “prophetic” ministry of Ellen G. White (1827-1915). During her lifetime White produced more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books totaling some 25 million words. (SDAs claim, probably correctly, that White is the “most translated woman in literature.”) From the time she was 17 years old until she died 70 years later, she claimed to have had approximately 2,000 visions and dreams, ranging from less that a minute to four hours. The 27 Fundamental Beliefs states, “Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.” Some Adventist scholars claim that as much as 90 percent of White’s writings were plagiarized, though the White estate claims it is only about 2 percent.
They say, the Bible as the only standard of faith and practice for Christians, but they have 40 more books of prophesy by another prophet.
For about a hundred years—1840s to 1950s—many evangelical denominations considered SDA to be a non-Christian cult (like the Jehovah’s Witnesses).
Don’t the Jehovah’s Witness also believe that Jesus came to earth in the 1800s?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 14:18:10 GMT -5
Dillon you are reading good things about the SDA church. We do only follow the Bible, but use the writings of Ellen White for difficult passages of Scripture that require additional help in understanding.
Have a read and look at the balance on my own website, to understand what our Christianity is like. Ask you self , what does a true SDA person focus mostly on?spiritualsprings.org/Do some reading here, and ask yourself, what come to you most often when your read. You ask me some questions, which would require me to bag a church system. I do not normally bag any church system, because it is not good for a Christian to do this. Dillon asks " You admit that the Catholic Church is a satanic cult – satan centric – and their satan is correct Explain this to me Robert – how can you possible believe BOTH
This does seem to be contradictory doesn’t it? If Catholic Christianity is the correct Christianity, why isn’t all Christianity just Catholic?R" I do not bag the Catholic Church Dillon. Many people inside the Catholic Church are Christian and right before the Lord. I think it is disrespectful to make statements like "satanic cult – satan centric" so these word did not come from me. It is true the Roman Catholic Church has many doctrinal errors, which oppose Scripture, people who live by the Church are saved by the light they live up to, as Romans 1 and 2 says. Let us try to be respectful of other assemblies, and the nature of other people. Dave says " So far removed from Judaism So far removed from Messanic Judaism So far removed from Messanic Christianity
SDA doctrine is not the same religion - it is an Ellen White version of Roman CatechismRob replies" You are not correct Dave. Way too emotional and too much mocking. I will not reply. D" Also - Robert is an SDA (Seventh day Adventist) - it is what is left of a failed prophecy group in 1830s Utah, called the Millerites R" The prophecy did not fail Dave. Re 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (KJV)The 1844 message would be sweet, but become bitter. The message became you must prophesy again (future). So it was not a failed experience, it was written this way, and the people did not fully read all the prophecy before hand. D" But now you admit an amalgamation Please make up your mind flip flop manR" What has "GMO on humans" ie "amalgamation" got to do with the origin of archons? having sex with man? nothing. Can't you read my words properly? I am no flip flop man. D" So in your opinion – evil spirits are divineThe RA Ruwach, is a Bible term, but understanding what it means is hard. You say it refers to an angel volunteering to do service for GOD? If that were so, and you agree with that idea, than this angel is also referenced as a devil and a bad guy? But I do not like to go there, Hebrew is hard to fathom sometimes. It suggests to me there can be functional and dysfunctional mediums. These are different flows through the Medium set up by GOD, known as the HS. A good flow comes from GOD, a bad flow comes from the fallen angel, known as Satan, the opponent. Angels are not divine, therefore. But just like man, there do have divinity elements in them, so they have a soul and a free will, much like man does. How come the fallen angels haven't died yet, being so old? Don't know. Not all questions we can ask have answers from the Scriptures? maybe God has not judged them yet? D" So there is no such thing as man – we are all just little pieces of the HSR" How do you get so twisted up? The breath from the Father, as a quantum flow, moves into the medium (administrated by the HS) and the body of man, becomes living energy (the term here is nephesh) the soul. We are not little pieces of the HS. Why must you understand the process so much? The divine lives with us (matter) so empowers us, so our soul (relationship) is alive. Shalom everyone
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Post by Dillon on Aug 5, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -5
Dillon you are reading good things about the SDA church. We do only follow the Bible, but use the writings of Ellen White for difficult passages of Scripture that require additional help in understanding.
The Mormons use the writing of Joseph Smith. The Jehovah’s Witness use the additional writings of Russell. All from the Great Awakening that changed Christianity from its traditional version into the many separate denomination we have today.
Have a read and look at the balance on my own website, to understand what our Christianity is like. Ask you self , what does a true SDA person focus mostly on?
I have read most all of your postings here. Are you saying you believe something different somewhere else?
I think it is disrespectful to make statements like "satanic cult – satan centric" so these word did not come from me.
You posted: JESUIT SATANIC SECRET COVENANT, Dana Horochowski The Jesuits worship Lucifer, their covenant: the deception will be so large that it will escept the public attention, those who do see it will be thought of as insane, we will create a deception to hide the connection between us.
Isn’t this what you believe? Satan is a god and you attempt to hide the real demons in our lives. You have denied they exist. You have said they are made up. You criticise Dave for exposing them. How is this different that the Satanic Covenant?
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2021 17:28:34 GMT -5
D - Cool - I wrote something But I am not going to post it - Cuz I like what you said even better
I have read most all of your postings here. Are you saying you believe something different somewhere else?
Well said!
It is often hard to know what Robert is even trying to say One day he will post a video you prove his point - he used this video to answer the question - who are the gods of the ahl - his answer a Roman Consperacy
JESUIT SATANIC SECRET COVENANT, Dana Horochowski The Jesuits worship Lucifer, their covenant: the deception will be so large that it will escept the public attention, those who do see it will be thought of as insane, we will create a deception to hide the connection between us.
Isn’t this what you believe? Satan is a god and you attempt to hide the real demons in our lives. You have denied they exist. You have said they are made up. You criticise Dave for exposing them. How is this different that the Satanic Covenant?
and then the next day he will deny it I think it is disrespectful to make statements like "satanic cult – satan centric" so these word did not come from me.
This isn't the first time - he posted a video proving God Kills - often and many - then he denied everything the video said - and denied it was his post
Yet, he claims to be consistant and his doctrine - stable It doesn't even bother him that his doctrine cannot answer so many questions. and I find it interesting he doesn't even want to be a spiritual Christian - and he feels secure mock those that says they have experienced something he won't even acknowledge - spirit.
He says I have emotional outburst - maybe I do as my frustration shows through. He speaks of his KJV Bible as if it came straight out of heaven - and yet he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce what he has. It is an education issue.
He buys into consperacy mongers like WALTER VEITH, because he doesn't have the education to see Walter Veith's lies about Judaism. It is an education issue.
He buys into people like Don Patton - because they both speak the same language 8th grade science, It is an education issue.
He buys into the Creation Research Institute propaganda because he wants to believe it, yet knew nothing about their origin or history - or the definition of peer review - It is an education issue.
Faith - when you are so dovoted to a dogma / doctrine that you cling to it so hard - you do not need to look outside your comfort zone.
If you are a global warmer - then you just ignore the melting ice caps on Io and Mars If you are an Conservative - all you hear from the left is complaint and whining If you are on the Left - all you hear from the conservatives is shut up and get a job
Evidently if you are an SDA - you are not well educated about Judaism, or scripture as a whole. I didn't realize until you pointed it out - Ellen White wrote 40 books of prophesy to clearify what the Bible actually says. So the truth is - he is a student of Ellen White and her view - NOT scripture as written.
Place a Catholic, a Presbyterian, and a Baptist in a Bible study they will never agree - why Because to be a Pastor today usually requires seminary - where you learn an -ism
Robert is an excellent SDA - strong convictions! - he will call it Faith - and he defends his view tooth and nail (sort of - usually he just tries to spoil another view - there is a difference)
But he is an SDA - He is comfortable with a religion that was spawn by a 1830s failed prophecy group - prodestant - which is just diluted Catholic doctrine I grew up Presbyterian, claim to be a Gnostic Christian because I do not have the birthright to be a Messanic Jew, and I seek the religion of the disciples - the men who walked and talked with Jesus Christ - both before and after his Cross and Resurrection - The Messanic Jewish faith of the FIRST CHRISTIANS. I want to believe as John did/does - as Peter did/does - as Thomas did/does
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Post by Dillon on Aug 6, 2021 16:12:46 GMT -5
Place a Catholic, a Presbyterian, and a Baptist in a Bible study they will never agree - why Because to be a Pastor today usually requires seminary - where you learn an -ism
Robert is an excellent SDA - strong convictions! - he will call it Faith - and he defends his view tooth and nail (sort of - usually he just tries to spoil another view - there is a difference)
But he is an SDA - He is comfortable with a religion that was spawn by a 1830s failed prophecy group - protestant - which is just diluted Catholic doctrine
I grew up Presbyterian, claim to be a Gnostic Christian because I do not have the birthright to be a Messianic Jew, and I seek the religion of the disciples - the men who walked and talked with Jesus Christ - both before and after his Cross and Resurrection - The Messianic Jewish faith of the FIRST CHRISTIANS. I want to believe as John did/does - as Peter did/does - as Thomas did/does
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In October, we will have known each other for 20 years, and in that time we have known a lot of EXCELLENT people.
Jim and Cara Shephard, EXECELLENT MORMONs, good folk, caring, Christian. Didn’t you meet her parents?
The Quest courier that became Galloping Gorilla. Also a Jim? EXECELLENT MORMON, good folk, caring, Christian.
The Amazing Helen van Roggen, worked so hard to become an Episcopal Priest it killed her.
All EXCELLENT at their own religion. All good people!
I just don’t go to Church. I have never been to a church that didn’t try to sell me something. Religion should not be the ministry of salesmen! There has to be something more meaningful or it is bunk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 17:24:02 GMT -5
Dillon " You posted: JESUIT SATANIC SECRET COVENANT, Dana Horochowski The Jesuits worship Lucifer, their covenant: the deception will be so large that it will escept the public attention, those who do see it will be thought of as insane, we will create a deception to hide the connection between us.
Isn’t this what you believe? Satan is a god and you attempt to hide the real demons in our lives. You have denied they exist. You have said they are made up. You criticise Dave for exposing them. How is this different that the Satanic Covenant?Yes Dillon I support the ideas that Dana Horochowski posts, but this is her post, not necessarily my words. I do not hide the archonic rulers of darkness Dillon, only what Scripture presents as to the origin of these rulers of darkness, they are fallen angels. Dillon says " You criticise Dave for exposing them
Rob replies" I am sorry you think this. If you do not want know the true origin of these archonic rulers of darkness, that is your decision. You have this right. Than my discussions with you is at an end, and I shall leave you and this forum. After all many of you have said to me many times? Dillon asks" How is this different that the Satanic Covenant?You are absolutely right Dillon, it is not good to discuss Satan so many, I risk you thinking me bad. Personally I have nothing to do with Satan, or the archonic rulers of darkness. But you are right, discussing this theme is an extremely bad idea, as it stains you. ---------------------- Dave posts Dillons words" I have read most all of your postings here. Are you saying you believe something different somewhere else?Well said!
Rob replies" OH, so you both think I am unstable in my thoughts? You did not read any webpages from Spiritual Springs? D" It is often hard to know what Robert is even trying to sayR" I could say the same of you my friend. D" I think it is disrespectful to make statements like "satanic cult – satan centric" so these word did not come from meR" I love the way you misquote me Dave, I said it is disrespectful to make statements about church assemblies and bag them so. D" Yet, he claims to be consistent and his doctrine - stable It doesn't even bother him that his doctrine cannot answer so many questionsR" I have answered your questions Dave. My only quibble with you is over the origin of the archonic rulers of darkness , the fact Scripture says they are fallen angels. D" and yet he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce what he has. R" my understanding Dave is the Hebrew in the first five books of the common received text is exactly the same as the Jewish torah. Maybe 3 to 5% difference, due to spellings. Go figure. Not much change due to Roman edit? Is it? D" Ellen White wrote 40 books of prophesy to clearify what the Bible actually says. So the truth is - he is a student of Ellen White and her view - NOT scripture as written. R" You really do post things on so little evidence ... Ellen White never writes Hebrew words, only quotes Scripture...with Hebrew words in them... Try reading this link, and if you dare, understand that not a single SDA understands this science scrutiny of her messages. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1061.htm------------------------- Dillon posts " All EXCELLENT at their own religion. All good people!
I just don’t go to Church. I have never been to a church that didn’t try to sell me something. Religion should not be the ministry of salesmen! There has to be something more meaningful or it is bunk.Rob " nice thoughts Dillon. I also agree. What makes good people good to you? Dillon " Religion should not be the ministry of salesmen! R" I agree. Dillon" I just don’t go to ChurchRob. The COV19 has stopped me these days, so hard to do the assembly DIllon " There has to be something more meaningful or it is bunkRob " I agree. Loving and loveable people is what we need. But notice this description of people saved in the end of time: Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.(KJV) Shalom everyone
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2021 21:17:06 GMT -5
Jim and Cara Shephard, EXECELLENT MORMONs, good folk, caring, Christian. Didn’t you meet her parents? YES – at the time it was perfect I knew they were missionaries – but really had no idea what that meant- could have been a small hut with a cross in the middle of the jungle for all I knewI had been in the Philippines for 20 days already – it was 105 degrees and 105% humidity – I was a melting sweating mess – I was so hungry – 20 days of nasty fish and rice wasn’t what I was used to. We took a $25 cab ride (From Manilla to Quizon City) to meet up with them. Their apartment was very nice with air conditioning - they served me mash potatoes and roast beef – Cara’s dad was amazing with the girls – they didn’t want to leave. AND they served Ube Ice Cream – Yum. It is purple and made with a type of sweet potato. It is unique for sure The Quest courier that became Galloping Gorilla. Also a Jim? EXECELLENT MORMON, good folk, caring, Christian. Yep – also don’t remember his name – good guy – wonderful Christian. Is Galloping Gorilla still a thing? Hadn’t heard the name in years.The Amazing Helen van Roggen, worked so hard to become an Episcopal Priest it killed her. I often think of her – I loved her as did everyone The last time I saw her – she was standing beside her hospital bed with her ass hanging out of the gown – she turned and saw it was me and gave me the biggest hug – that I was standoffish – she in nothing more than a hospital gown pressing up against me – I felt uncomfortable and broke the embrace. She was preaching Rapture and I was researching aliens and UFOs – and I said to her – how else could secular man explain away the coming Rapture – and we were friends ever since. Too bad her husband Ed wasn’t more comfortable with all the attention she got. She died in my hospital you know – thank God I was not there! Do you remember Marie Wakeman? Once close to Helen and then called Helen a faker. Where’s Helen tonight I would ask – Marie would say something like – she is too sick to work, but not too sick to mow her yard or take out her trash. When Helen died, Marie felt so convicted. Sometimes a death is a witness al by itself. All EXCELLENT at their own religion. All good people!Oh My Gosh D you should have knownMylinda Covington – 100% Flat Head Indian – a seer of spirits and little people Katz Cree – 50% Cree Indian and not raised with any knowledge of Christianity Mary (dances while standing still) – Mary Dancer in English – possessed and exorcised My good friend Alex who was imprisoned in Ukraine for being Christian (Russian Greek Orthodox) And my ole acquaintance Ali from Tehran, Suni Muslim, yet educated and patient enough to have excellent academic discussions on this forum. Dan Black, a Rabbi and Canter – who hated me at first, but over 5 years came to have some of the deepest conversations I have ever had on a different forum. Hal – also from that other forum- associated in some way with the Stanford School of Hebrew Studies – who also took the time to speak academically about theological concepts without posturing. I grew up in Amish Country, have shirt tail Amish relation, worked side by side with Amish for a long time – many Good and Excellent Presbyterians All EXCELLENT at their own religion. All good people!Is it enough? This is the real question – is it good enough to be an excellent Mormon, or SDA, or whatever Answer – easy answer We are all judged by our – Deeds – our Works – and our Fruit – or we are Born AgainFirst fruits – Born AgainPaul was – Born Again – he hated Jesus and his followers in the morning – spent the afternoon in heaven face to face with Christ – because the biggest Apostle that afternoon! The great day of Pentecost was all about Jews – there were Jews at that Temple – that received the Holy Spirit that day! God looked down – Enoch and Elisha – were granted Divine Pardons. Joshua was granted a Divine Pardon - as are all who die in Christ - Salvation DeedsSelf-explanatory – even a pagan headhunter child holds the door for his grandma. Caring is tov it is a mitzvah Loving is a tov it is a mitzvah Looking up at the sky and realizing there must be a Creator is a mitzvah Mercy, charity, forgiveness are all mitzvah It all counts to the good – it is all mitzvahWorksThis forum for me – Robert’s efforts here – singing Christmas carols with a local church I give to people at the street corner – I pick up hitchhikers – just to get a witness in When I was (history) on the road – I would pick up a homeless and buy them dinner to have company at a restaurant. I have been up front once or twice – worked on many committees – spent a lot of money Took my tools to church to fix a toilet or roof Etc etc – some folk preach – some folk think working for the church is the Cristian thing to do Do Works all count to the good – it is all mitzvah? Answer – depends because - All of it = our witness to othersWe have friends in Raton NM – Jared and Arleen – his father was a Unitarian Preacher – sounds Christian, acts Christian – but is the first to tell you a virgin birth or a resurrection from the grave is impossible - I am not Ok with that – it diminishes GodMormons believe that Jesus and satan are twin brothers – I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes God Jehovah Witness preach there is no heaven – this is it – God made the earth for man– I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes GodCatholic – my wife was taught to pray to the Pope for the first 25 years of her life – I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes GodRobert comes along – agrees that the Catholic Church is satanic His Walter Veith theology says the Catholic Church invented Islam Yet – Robert preaches that Catholic satanology as fact and has no idea (he says) who Allah is ISN’T THAT FACINATING!Do Works all count to the good – it is all mitzvah? Answer – depends because - All of it = our witness to othersI just don’t go to Church. I have never been to a church that didn’t try to sell me something. Religion should not be the ministry of salesmen! There has to be something more meaningful or it is bunk. Church attendance is not required – that is a Catholic lie to keep people inside the church building Fellowship is required – and that is what we are doing right now I hear you speak of God’s country – feeling God there in your mountain – lost and alone in the wilderness – I hear your fellowship – I hear your witness. You have to realize that the idea of going to church to learn is error! Deep inside we are taught by a higher power – the comforter – the Holy SpiritYou should join me and surprise Richard in Buena Vista (your closer than I am) The Friends Church is like nothing you know. They gather only to praise, sing, eat, and laugh, commune and Communion, giving thanks always to God. Does not matter what your background – if you want to praise without the sermon – there you go Then they gather in smaller groups to study – you do not have to stay He just took me along to a seminar on how to be an effective communicator / teacher They study questions. Bring a question – give the class a week to research – and listen to all the different answers next study. Sometimes the questions from the classes are very personal – almost a scriptural group therapy session. They also do this thing they call 5th Sunday Any month that has a 5th Sunday – that service is music only – people call out their favorite hymns SONGS NONE OF US HAVE SUNG IN YEARS (at least for me) – but we muddle through among FRIENDS Then at the end they look at the DEEPER messages brought out that day
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2021 22:07:23 GMT -5
Yes Dillon I support the ideas that Dana Horochowski posts, but this is her post, not necessarily my words.Robert comes along – agrees that the Catholic Church is satanic His Walter Veith theology says the Catholic Church invented Islam Yet – Robert preaches that Catholic satanology as fact and has no idea (he says) who Allah is ISN’T THAT FACINATING! Dillon asks" How is this different that the Satanic Covenant? You are absolutely right Dillon,It is 100% Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine passed off as the true ChristianityI do not hide the archonic rulers of darkness Just how much time have you invested trying to corrupt Eph 6:12 and Col 1:16? Didn't you say that because there are not many verses about the shedim we can just ignore them Dillon says "You criticise Dave for exposing them Rob replies" I am sorry you think this. You don’t criticize me? And argue everything I say is heresy?---------------------- Dave posts Dillon’s words" I have read most all of your postings here. Are you saying you believe something different somewhere else? Rob replies" OH, so you both think I am unstable in my thoughts? You did not read any webpages from Spiritual Springs?Robert – we have been reading your words for two years Your doctrine is error and incomplete – most of our discussion is trying to get you to answer a question There are several questions to you right now left unanswered D" I think it is disrespectful to make statements like "satanic cult – satan centric" so these word did not come from me R" I love the way you misquote me Dave, I said it is disrespectful to make statements about church assemblies and bag them so. Yes Dillon I support the ideas that Dana Horochowski posts How is SDA doctrine any different than the Satanic Covenant? You are absolutely right Dillon,It is 100% Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine passed off as the true ChristianitySatan is not a god nor does he contol the thoughts of men ruling them like puppets All he can do is suggest / decieve - the choice belongs to man Satan cannot stand in a contest / battel / war against God - the Beast was cast to/into earth/WORLD The God placed man into the WORLD of the Beast - the WORLD seduces man into disobeying God / forgetting God's soverntry The Contest is all about man - the Contest is between man and WORLD - and - Between man's seed - physicial (visible) and seed of the Beast - physicial = shedinm/ archon / Jinn / devils Between mans seed - spiritual (invisible) and the seed of the beast spiritual = archon / shedim / devils / Jinn The Beast just appeared in the heavens fully formed in a plurarity (more than one - offspring) The Beast was never friendly with God as you claim in Ezk 28 The Beast was never perfect as you claim in Ezk 28 Scripture says - the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning - you contradict scripture with your Ezk 28 perfect angel friends and cherrished by God The Beast of revelations has nothing to do with Ezk 28 because Ezk 28 is all about man - who walked with God in the heaven perfect - before becomming a sinner The Beast of Revelation has nothing to do with your cherub angel or any angel - it is the Beast The Beast of Revelation has nothing to do with The Satan of the ahl - who is an angel and a servant of the Lord - working for the Lord No one on this forum will ever embrace satan as a god – no matter how hard Robert triesNo one who on this forum believes your two god religon Yes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that? D" and yet he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce what he has. R" my understanding Dave is the Hebrew in the first five books of the common received text is exactly the same as the Jewish Torah. - Not much change due to Roman edit? Is it?I am talking about the totality of scripture – and you change the topic to just the First 5 Books / Torah What does that have to do with - he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce the KJVSwitch / evade / dodge / justify / avoide - all different than a straight answer Your Ezk 28 is not Torah
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:28:48 GMT -5
D"I am talking about the totality of scripture – and you change the topic to just the First 5 Books / Torah What does that have to do with - he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce the KJV
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (KJV)
This verse answers your question Dave.
Isa 8:20 To the law <towrah> and to the testimony <t@`uwdah>.
Most jews define torah as the first five books of Moses, and the tauwdah as the witnesses to the torah, so the torah is more important.
Mt 7:12 ¶ Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Jesus makes a similar statement "torah and the prophet witnesses"
Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Same idea
Lu 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
More details, in case you don't know which torah, the torah means, books of Moses first.
Joh 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Same idea, the books of Moses comes first, are the most important first.
Ac 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Same idea
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The sign of a true supporter of God are those who guard the commandments and have the amanuah of Jesus.
D"Your Ezk 28 is not Torah
R" yes, not technically torah, Ezekiel is a prophetic book, so does it agree with the Moses book?
In Genesis there are TWO trees, and trees are symbols of power from BEING, leaders or rulers.
One tree is representative of GOD, is in the middle of Eden.
The other tree is representative of a BEING unnamed and not described, who enters a flying serpent also in the middle of the Garden of Eden.
This BEING, un-named negates God's words and is a liar to Eve.
You shall not muwth muwth.
God says you shall muwth muwth.
Therefore we have two opposite opinions over the term muwth muwth. Hence the serpent is negating God's word, and therefore sinning against the Lord God, is a father of lies.
I do not need prophets to add to the Moses account Dave. But you twist and argue that the un-named BEING speaking in the serpent, did not speak as a liar? You are wrong.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 8, 2021 20:37:31 GMT -5
D"I am talking about the totality of scripture – and you change the topic to just the First 5 Books / Torah What does that have to do with - he has no idea of the long process by Rome to produce the KJV This verse answers your question Dave. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (KJV) D"Your Ezk 28 is not Torah R" yes, not technically torah, Ezekiel is a prophetic book, so does it agree with the Moses book? NO – it does not!www.thetorah.com/article/the-discrepancies-between-the-sacrifices-in-ezekiel-and-the-torahThe Discrepancies Between the Sacrifices in Ezekiel and the TorahThe laws of holiday sacrifices in Ezekiel 45–46 contradict the laws in Numbers 28–29. The problems are so significant that some Talmudic sages thought it would be best to withdraw (לגנוז) the book of Ezekiel. The Gospel of Mathew and the Gospel of Luke do not agree with each other – how can they agree with your Torah Acts chapter 7 – Steven disagrees with your TorahIsa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (KJV) I asked you once for a list of all the verses and book of the Bible you deny – still waitingOn the one hand you argue that the entire Book of Ezekiel must be discarded as no truth in it Then on the other hand Ezk 28 is the most important passage of your theology I have asked you about Mathew and Luke and even the Book of Acts You did not answer – or just blew it off like it didn’t matter Consistancy -------------- In Genesis there are TWO trees, and trees are symbols of power from BEING, leaders or rulers. One tree is representative of GOD, is in the middle of Eden. The other tree is representative of a BEING You are so sick with satan worshipOne tree is life – There was no commandment about this tree and the other tree REPRESENTS KNOWLEDGE – and a commandment was given about this one tree This BEING, un-named negates God's words and is a liar to Eve.God says -You shall not muwth muwth. Which is true – but not the whole truth – the promise of repentance and salvation had not yet been given The serpent says –NOT you shall muwth muwth. Which is also true- but not the whole truth – because salvation was always apart of God’s Plan But you twist and argue that the un-named BEING speaking in the serpent, did not speak as a liar? You are wrong.So – you actively deny salvation is possible or promised?Scripture says the serpent deceived – you deny scripture to insert your own words
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