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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:35:15 GMT -5
D"SO – Christian – what is the Christian thing to do Resist – fight back – spend a lot of time worrying about it – get organized – protest Or line up as sheeple?
Da 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
This reply is a figure of the 144,000 during the end of time. Especially for us in the Lord.
D"Why can’t you comment on the lock downs as a citizen of Australia If I were a Barrister. I would take the Government to court for trials against humanity.
But at the same time is this"
Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. 6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans,
GOD raises up the powers opposing Him on purpose, to wake mankind from sleep. So a simple answer is not so simple.
D" Why is your government your enemy in this?
R" because they follow the USA in prophecy
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth (the USA); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Like the USA, all governments shall speak as a dragon, and GOD allows this, to wake mankind up into making a decision"
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -5
D" SO – Christian – what is the Christian thing to do Resist – fight back – spend a lot of time worrying about it – get organized – protest Or line up as sheeple? Da 3:18 … we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.1- Originally you claim these other gods are just made up stuff 2- how is taking a vaccine a worship of another god or idol 3- what does your reply have to do with:
Mar 12:17 Then Yeshua said to them, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” …
Or
Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. D" Why can’t you comment on the lock downs as a citizen of AustraliaIf I were a Barrister. I would take the Government to court for trials against humanity.So – you believe that mass unemployment without financial relief and increased danger to the elderly is better for your country? China just finacianally attacked 1/3rd of your economy - would a war with bullets be better for the world right now? On the one hand you say – it was a man-made virus bioweapon And on the other hand – you hate your government for dealing with a terrorist bioweapon attack If this is an evil attack upon the WORLD – why do you think your government should not fight evil? Is this the same attitude as – do not believe in the Principalities, or Nephilim, or Rephiem, or the other gods than God left here to snare the people? Why is your government your enemy in this?R" because they follow the USA in prophecyWOW – you re a Christian and are AFRAID for the fulfillment of prophecy? – WHY?Are you AFRAID you’ll miss the Rapture Are you AFRAID you’ll not in that number? Don’t you support God / Christ / and scripture?Mat 6:9 “Therefore, pray in this way: ‘Our Father in heaven, sanctified be Your name. Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. It would seem to me that anyone who truly loves the Lord and His Word would be excited and overjoyed to see prophecy fulfilled!
Scripture alive and real right before our eyes – and for some reason this causes your discomfort? Courious!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 14:36:44 GMT -5
D"It would seem to me that anyone who truly loves the Lord and His Word would be excited and overjoyed to see prophecy fulfilled!
R" Don't you have pity and love for those humans who are not saved and need the love of GOD?
Should we not care for the lost sheep? Those who took the jab in ignorance?
Yes prophecy is being fulfilled, and the USA will rise under the Roman banner who follows Satan to attack mankind into the valley of decision? Jeremiah was sad over the loss of His own during the tribulation that came to the lost sheep of Israel? We are going into a simile time of trouble, that is the same as Jeremiah, and sadly watch our Church fall under the Satanic banner flags of the One World Government Authority. c
Jer 50:1 ¶ The word that the LORD spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.
There are whole chapters reading into our future in this book of saddness....
Jer 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.
We seek the Lord with tears of joy, and sow our hearts with trembling and awe.
Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill,
Oh so true for us too. Mountain is a power, and a hill a false power. Every hospital under Satan lives on a hill, the jab is a false sign of power...
Jer 50:22 A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction.
Terrible times are coming on the earth. Daniel 12, a trouble the world has never seen.
Jer 50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken,
Even deceiving the very elect...
Jer 50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon,
Come out of her my people, out of the cities of Babylon, lest you get her jabbinations...
Jer 50:31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud,
So true for all of us, even the lukewarm Christian
Jer 50:40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah
We approach the same times as Sodom, to see the same fate...
Jer 51:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;
Notice "wind" here is "ruwach" the HS, Babylon is a destroying medium.
Jer 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine;
False doctrines lead many astray
Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed:
This is our hope, to reach the lost sheep...
Jer 51:25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth:
Babylon is termed a great destroying mountain, the same simile in Ezekial 28, the same as the rock simile that falls on the great metal man in Daniel, a mountain is a power source. God is opposing the mountain power of Satan.
Jer 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.
It is written in Rev, many of the saints fall by the sword, ... for their faith...
It's a fantastic book of sadness and of extreme joy, we sow tears of joy in the Lord.
D" Scripture alive and real right before our eyes – and for some reason this causes your discomfort? Curious!
R" Yes the Lord is not willing for any to be lost, we all pass through the valley of decision.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2021 16:09:51 GMT -5
Should we not care for the lost sheep? Those who took the jab in ignorance? What about the lost sheep that took the jab informed YES – we are called to love our fellow man as Christ did – witness the reality of God’s Glory to them
Should we not care for the lost sheep? Those who took the jab in ignorance? How does spreading consperacy missinformation and lies about the lock down or the mandated vaccine helpful to the ignorant? How does false information - and fearmongering help the ignorant? Or bring them closer to God?
How does this translate into a Christian movement against Caesar? When Scripture says – Give Caesar his due
Yes prophecy is being fulfilled, and the USA will rise under the Roman banner who follows Satan to attack mankind into the valley of decision? And yet it is the Chaldeans of Persian / Iran that will raise in the end days And yet it is Allah that is called the Great Deceiver
Jer 50:1 ¶ The word that the LORD spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.
Allah, the Best Deceiver (Qur'an 3:54) - WikiIslamhttps://wikiislam.net › wiki › The Qur'an openly states many times that Allah is the 'best deceiver'.
Why doesn’t your SDA theology include the whole world?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 15:46:33 GMT -5
Dave asks " Why doesn’t your SDA theology include the whole world?Rob replies, it does: I watched the Walter Veith video and he reads a document in German written in 2012 youtu.be/abevOdBiPSQWalter Veith & Martin Smith - Coronavirus, Noahide Laws, End Time - What's Up Prof? 3 I type his talk, as best I can: so many stories about coronavirus prophecies, go away ted talks by Gates, something on horizon movies made, Contagion, etc. Humanity put in a groove not discuss these theories, ie conspiracy theories... err on side of caution.. accept information we have is genuine legislation in pipeline and be proper citizen but if government is contrary to God's law, that is different? What is the probable outcome.Rob replies: Typical SDA reply, they do not like conspiracy theories, so keep their heads in the sand. So sad. Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. When does our Government speak like a Dragon? Only when they conflict theological laws, Veith says? What about health laws Walter? Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (KJV) How many of my SDA people have taken the jabbination already and become a member of the dragon's medicine? Re 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. That word their is "strenos" could mean pharmaceutical delicacies like vaccine adjuvants. Such as Graphene Oxide, which is published to be added to vaccines, including the flu vaccine, from long ago. Not a single mention by Walter Veith. He continues" German gov, announced major restrictions discussion in German, brand new (4:40) institutes and woldgang Wodarg was spokesmen, in German totally surprised this thing was handled... flue viruses, never in past, was one virus the object of so much attention ie swine flue , never removed from package of viruses and made into pandemic also bird virus, testing it wasn't isolated for special rules Same should apply for this COV19, who benefits from the hype? 7:05 document released, doc I found doc fascinating... deals with flooding deals with risk analysis from virus, have doc before me, blue print of what we are seeing in world today like a script, so exact compared to virus COV19 like movies as possible scripts of possible events Are we following a script. not real or real, but prophetic outcome , 2012 a long time ago when COV19 made it's first appearance. Probability, highly probable
have a tablegive you amount of damage from such virus 70% of people affected by virus (11:35) with flu, up to 70% get flu. Most say had flu at least once. But which virus caused the flu, so everybody get s this virus?
Dr Marc Siegel
test kits which virus you test for not sure if normal flu or not... rather strange... So in table is divided into categories... 7 million deaths, injured, 7 million, those who went missing, people 1/3 of 7 million, trip and come back, just gone 16:20 maximum damage, economy (man on street) major impact. expect riots document has lot of detail, 80 pages... pandemic, world wide.
probable vector, ? hypothetical SAR virus, convene, in 2012. Coronavirus, or HIV, H1N1 etc.
first virus isolated in 6 patients in 2012... incubation time of virus, 5 days, 14 days before strongly Attacks respiratory system, Mortality, die from affects of infection... Appear? manifested in Asia, North America, Europe. When will happen? They say in Feb in Asia. Virus broke out in Feb in Asia, this was written 8 years before In April identified or ModiSars or COV19, and comes to USA and Europe. Comes from market, where animals are. Fascinating it's following this plan. Than spread rapidly. Duration is also written. They say. How long development continue? (22:11) Probably be 3 years/ Media says 3 wks, 3 months, in Germany says 2 years Graph pans out...Impact is major, effect entire world Quarantine, blue print, following to a tee. Critiques in China disappeared. Reduction in basic rights Right to privacy in your home is reduced Freedom will be curtailed Gov decree, compelled to inoculations Life will change completely, for years Tourist industry terrible affected. (27"10) serious affected Energy sector, not affected Telecommunication not affected Only freight flights allowed. Shipping freight allowed Traffic,, cars on road, increase first, than restrictions Massive problems bringing food into some areas Border problems. Nutrition. Food production will continue, but massive reduction in food, as people get sick SO simple life style is a more common, luxury food like flour not allowed during world war II... People had to eat simple lifestyle, people became healthy... but miltary became diseased 31"31 What we eat affects mind, might be helpful, get mankind to get clear mind Banks will continue, justice system will be impacted, juries not allow, one judge will decide Garbage problems, 33:20 Burglers plundering, illegal selling of fake medication, civil unrest. Education page 228Rob notes, Mrs white wrote this a hundred years ago. Today Mason play the same theme Guillotine the Rich, same idea as the French revolution
"lays the foundation of character" We are following this blue print to a tee. 35"54 Household affects. Gov bail out large industries. or not survive. Restrict groups, to less than 50 etc Control people. Law in Israel will control IPad phones to curb the COV19... 37"37 Avoid public life. Permission to be in certain places. Small industries will suffer the most. We are following this blue print to a tee. If this is orchestrated, who benefit? 39"02 I have a feeling, either a preparation or the real thing, for a long time, the final events on this planet If this is real, than is it possible, we have entered the little time of trouble? Rob notes, How many SDA people have moved away from the cities, indeed all of us should. What if nothing on the shelf? 41:32 Stores empty even here, in little places. Why bother growing a little veggie garden? What if the store is empty? Are you crazy? Never be like that? Just one year later the stores are empty. We are close to the time we are waiting for. As anarchy increases... see major changes.. In France on street will be fined... Next move is marshall law, if is applied, overrides the law of the land, so constitution is no long valid. Noahide Laws, from Kabbalah, from Jewish rabbi, not found in Bible, but in tulmud... own understanding... 45"57 given originaly to Adam and Eve, and given to flood people, like Noah, precede Sinai, applicable to all of humanity, not just Jews. Applicable to all humanity.
7 Noahhide laws,
1 do not profane God's oneness in anyway. affects monotheism... 2 do curse creator 3 do not eat limb of animal 5 do not steal 6 Harness and channel human libideo ( rape, sex, homeo are forbidden) 7 establish court of law, and make justic e (ie death penalty)
Tulmud, negative things to say about Christ. Claim He and His Father are one. George Bush senior, recognized Noahide laws in USA. Already on the books in the USA what if the constitutions is suspended under Marshall law?Already there. Fascinating. Called Education Day. Little horn of Daniel 7. 53:56 Little horn will dethrown Jesus Christ. DO we have the table laid for the final events on this earth.... Or a practice run... Time will tell... If this is the real thing, we in the little time of trouble. Jesuit theater, Hollywood for example God's people should stand up and stand up and speak. Warn the world. Mark of the beast. Big time of trouble. God is permitting it so people can wake up. Are I am concerned, the Word Of GOD said, not the tulmud. It's in His Bible. 58 Jesus is God manifest to man.Rob notes the end remarks, Veith declares " Jesus is God manifest to man" We live in interesting times Dave. Not sure I would agree this is a little time of Jacob's Trouble? Happy Shabbath
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2021 8:25:05 GMT -5
Dave asks "Why doesn’t your SDA theology include the whole world? Rob replies, it does:
You have zero understanding of the life and theology of the ancient Hebrew You have zero understanding of the function of the ancient Hebrew You admit – you have no idea who the enemy was that the ancient Hebrew faced When I asked you – who are the other gods of the ahl – you said I don’t know When I asked you – who the Beast of Revelation is – you said I don’t know When I asked you about ahl Shedim – you said I don’t know When I asked you about Lillith – you said I don’t know When Richard asked you about Zoraster – you said I don’t know – yet you preach his teaching When I asked you about Mithris = you said who? When I asked you about the ancient gods of India, Egypt, or Sumar – you say Just made up stuff When I ask you about ancient astronaut gods – you say just made up stuff When I asl you about UFOs and aliens today – just more made up stuff Rev speak to a trinity of evil powers – Beast, Devil, and false prophets – you say this is just satan, satan, and satan When Rev says that satan is cast into the Lake of Fire – the Beast and the false prophets are already there – you say this is just satan, satan , and satan Both King Solomon and Jesus speak of Beelzebub – you say it is just satan I ask you about Baal, Molech, Dogon and 30 more other gods of the Levant – you just say they are all just The Satan
You tell me – post videos saying – that Rome is a satanic cult Then you insist their satanic version of satan is the only correct view – Christian You insist that the satanic view is the Christian view
When I asked you – why don’t the Copts accept Roman doctrine – you said who
Dave asks "Why doesn’t your SDA theology include the whole world? Rob replies, it does: The only thing you have been taught or have studied is the limited SDA doctrine that there are two gods lock in an eternal struggle or man – there are two different spiritual kingdoms one is God’s and the other spiritual kingdom called hell is belongs to your satan OH – and this other king – and his kingdom were both created by your evil god satan
The only answer you have for any question = satan, satan, satan / cherb chata But you deny you are just another version of the same Catholic satanic cult and employ the exact same Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels copied word for word from Catholic Catechism
OH – and hate the Jews – because they didn’t accept Jesus on his First Coming Hate the Jews – because salvation was gifted to the entire world = past, present, and future by the cross Hate the Jews – because we today have the opportunity to be Christian Hate the Jews enough – not to be taught their struggle as a people (ie – you have no idea of what Judaism is – or the practice of their religion)
Courious
I watched the Walter Veith video and he reads a document in German written in 2012 youtu.be/abevOdBiPSQ
I watched you video where Walter Veith says that the Jewish Kabbalah teaches that Jesus was the satan If he is a bold faced liar – I do not need to watch anything he has to say If I take the time to watch it – spend three days on it – go through it line by line – you will just blow me off – still waiting for you to defend your Don Patton video
Rob replies: Typical SDA reply, they do not like conspiracy theories, so keep their heads in the sand. So sad.
There is only one true conspiracy Luk 21:10 Then He continued telling them, “Nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. Luk 21:11 There will be great earthquakes along with famines and epidemics in various places, and there will be terrors along with great signs from heaven.
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. When does our Government speak like a Dragon? Only when they conflict theological laws, Veith says? What about health laws Walter? Too bad you do not have a grasp of the ahl Governments are always of the Beast / the WORLD – because they are men governing men
God’s chosen people was a theocracy – Moses was the priest and their de-facto King After Moses – Israel had no King – no formal government – all they had was Joshua and the words of Moses / Torah – and 400 years of Judges (prosecutors’ of the law)
Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”
God’s chosen People have a heavenly King and they were/are just supposed to live the Torah It was the people that begged God for a King and a WORDLY secular government
There are only two Options / only two choices – God or WORLD and its secular government You are either seeking the Kingdom of God Or you are quagmire with WORLDLY governments / WORLD of men / WORLD that belongs to the Beast, the devil, the serpent race, the Chaldean satanas
But you deny the Beast, the devil, the serpent, and the Chaldean satanas – and just replace it all with Roman cherub chata
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (KJV) How many of my SDA people have taken the jabbination already and become a member of the dragon's medicine? So – you consider taking a vaccine as a Miracle or a sign from the heavens? What do you call parting the Red Sea or calling fire down from heaven?
Re 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
That word their is "strenos" could mean pharmaceutical delicacies like vaccine adjuvants. Such as Graphene Oxide, which is published to be added to vaccines, including the flu vaccine, from long ago.
Could mean – might mean – are just assumption by you
You say that the Roman Catholic Church is the anti-Christ (yet you accept their doctrine) Tell me what wine does Indian / China / or any Islamic nation drink?
It is all about the oil
Same should apply for this COV19, who benefits from the hype? People who want you to take your eyes off seeking the kingdom of heaven and just keep you sidetracked with WORLD – physical things – SAVE THE BIOLOGY = (yester ra) because it is only concerned with self-preservation
I found doc fascinating... deals with flooding deals with risk analysis from virus, have doc before me, blue print of what we are seeing in world today like a script, so exact compared to virus COV19 like movies as possible scripts of possible events Are we following a script. not real or real, but prophetic outcome , 2012 a long time ago when COV19 made it's first appearance. Probability, highly probable But you do not accept science - you do not trust science – you say science is a conspiracy
Nuclear radiation causes death – the WORLD is embracing Nuclear Radiation more and more each day – Nuclear accidents happen and will happen again poisoning our environment – and as the amount of radiation increases in the WORLD the more it will affect the health of man – kill man
Am I a scientific nut with a conspiracy? Or am I just stating the obvious? So as the next nuclear accident happens – is it a plan to follow my conspiracy?
test kits which virus you test for not sure if normal flu or not... rather strange... Do not know what you are saying - there are many different flu types - some are more harmful than others - most test kits for flu look only for flu A & B.
probable vector, ? hypothetical SAR virus, convene, in 2012. Coronavirus, or HIV, H1N1 etc. But you do not accept science - you do not trust science – you say science is a conspiracy
first virus isolated in 6 patients in 2012... Yersinia pestsi DNA has been recovered from graves - (wiki) during the Neolithic decline (as far back as 6,000 years ago) was published.[2] A site in Sweden was the source of the DNA evidence and trade networks were proposed as the likely avenue of spread rather than migrations of populations. DNA evidence published in 2015 indicates Y. pestis infected humans 5,000 years ago in Bronze Age Eurasia,
incubation time of virus, 5 days, 14 days before strongly about the same
Attacks respiratory system, Exactly the same
Mortality, die from affects of infection... Massive death rate – pneumonia + most die from choking to death from their own bleeding throats
Appear? manifested in Asia, North America, Europe. YEP - Eurasia
When will happen? They say in Feb in Asia. Virus broke out in Feb in Asia, this was written 8 years before Respiratory viruses always appear as the temp changes from hot to cool – always
In April identified or ModiSars or COV19, and comes to USA and Europe. Comes from market, where animals are. Y. pestis appeared in Europe with trade - actually the fles on the rats
Than spread rapidly. Fascinating it's following this plan. YES it did 26 countries affected all together – some you just never heard about because our history is European specific
Duration is also written. They say. How long development continue? (22:11) Probably be 3 years/ Media says 3 wks, 3 months, in Germany says 2 years Graph pans out... One of the worst plagues in history arrived at Europe's shores in 1347. Five years later, some 25 to 50 million people were dead.
You say the plague is following the path laid out for it by the scientist I say – the people who actually know what they are talking about – because they spend their lives studying this stuff have enough history to learn from
This current trend – is just another trend – one that the scientist can see coming / to predictively talk about it with some degree of accuracy – and you fault them for it
Impact is major, effect entire world Quarantine, blue print, following to a tee. You miss the bigger picture – the lock down is more about supply chain realignments than the virus itself The lock down is an attack an economic response to China and the trade war China If China is the supplier to the world – and the world stops – who does it hurt?
Shortages in the world right now – I see it – do you? And it has little to do with the lock downs or the virus – but that stupid container ship stuck in the Suez Canal. – While shipping was stalled – all the containers were loaded and sent to sea to sit on ships. Noe there is a shipping container shortage
Just another piece in the puzzle – of the greater conspiracy to move mankind toward the end of days
Nutrition. Food production will continue, but massive reduction in food, as people get sick Don’t overlook bio-accumulation and bio-concentration of Nuclear Hot particles as it moves up the food chain
Rob notes, How many SDA people have moved away from the cities, indeed all of us should. In the 21st century – there is no escaping the system
Noahide Laws, from Kabbalah, from Jewish rabbi, not found in Bible, but in tulmud... own understanding... So disappointing – I was actually interested in what you had posted then you jump into BULL SHIT and your academic honesty just spoils the conversation
There is no such thing as Kabbalah found in the Talmund – offensive to say the least! One is a commentary of the spiritual world – one is a book of laws that deny the spirit The only place you would ever see these two book even in the same room is in a secular library
Tulmud, negative things to say about Christ. Claim He and His Father are one. Of course it does – and I wish you would stop impressing me with your complete misunderstanding of Judaism – or soon I will quote Joseph Smith and say its SDA
Rob notes the end remarks, Veith declares "Jesus is God manifest to man" At least he gets this correct – and of course you must disagree How can God be in two place at the same time you argue
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Post by Dillon on Jul 31, 2021 15:03:10 GMT -5
Back to the question. Covid and vaccines. I choose not to participate. I choose not to participate by getting the vaccine or spreading misinformation. Do I know what the truth is enough to council another?
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2021 16:09:05 GMT -5
You are a hard person at times to talk to Dave. I am just a little child learning in all this , pondering confusion, as much as anybody, your emotional outbursts are not required.
You call it an emotional outburst When it is simple frustration – YOU Claim to be a student of the word of God But you refuse to study it – all you do is repeat cherb chata to every question like a trained parrot You admit that the Catholic Church is a satanic cult – and their Christian doctrine is correct You admit that the Catholic Church is a satanic cult – and their satan god is real is at war with the Creator You admit that the Catholic Church is a satanic cult – satan centric – and thier satan is correct Explain this to me Robert – how can you possible believe BOTH
Instead of studying scripture – you just post conspiracy videos as fact - but refuse to defend your own views
Is that a student? You are not studying anything – you are just promoting your satan as the god of evil
Is that a true student? Whenever I ask to study and issue – you avoid / evade / change the subject back to your satan worship
I have asked you over and over to study Hebrew word H3629 You won’t like the result – so you refuse
I have been asking and asking you to tell me why it is a sin for an angel to obey the Lord You don’t like the answer – so you refuse
Instead you want to reinvent the agl with Hebrew words – yet have zero experience with translation So you invent whatever you want to defend your satan You play word games – and make no effort to remain with a single language You take multiple words from different language and force them to mean the same
So if you invite me over to eat some Barbie - I should just assume you are a cannibal But if there is a Bobie in a Dunny in the Big Apple we all know his name must be Patrick Archon cannot mean Principalities – Paul, Luke, all the First Century Christians, and Dave are all made up stuff All Christains teach - Solomon was the wisest King ever - and you say do not trust his words
Is that a true student? There are 46 non-Canonizes Book mentioned within the ahl as credible sources of information You will not look at it – refuse to read it – and your only reason is – it disagrees with Roman Satanic Doctrine
I agree with Dillon. I am not taking the jab either. Sure I don't have all the answers either. I feel sad that many of my SDA brothers have taken the jab. Then why do you post conspiracy videos as fact
If you are a true student – why would you say – it too hard to study And the reason you say it – is because you do not know the Bible (ahl+agl) as a whole – is has never been taught to you as a whole – all you have been taught is SDA doctrine and you are unable to escape tour own doctrinal brainwashing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 15:12:23 GMT -5
D"I have asked you over and over to study Hebrew word H3629 You won’t like the result – so you refuse
Jeff Benner says this word means "kidney"
H3627 "vessel" is the Palms Authority Active Hands. Means to store things
H3629 "kidney" is the Palms Authority Active Hands Behold the Person!. Is the person who stores things, refers to the organ in the person, the kidney, but may be a simile of the person as a whole.
De 32:14 kidneys of wheat, is a strange context?
Ps 7:9 God trieth the hearts and reins.
A simile, referring to the person, what is stored in you as a vessel of character administrated by the HS.
Ps 26:2 Same idea.
Jer 17:10 Same idea
SO Dave, what is your presentation of this word?
D" I have been asking and asking you to tell me why it is a sin for an angel to obey the Lord You don’t like the answer – so you refuse
R" I have answered this question before many times, still not satisfied ? Well ask the question using different words, because I do not understand you.
D"So if you invite me over to eat some Barbie - I should just assume you are a cannibal
R" I am vegetarian Dave, and eat plant foods which are not GMO and are organic and have not died of itself. These are health principles of the Bible.
D" All Christians teach - Solomon was the wisest King ever - and you say do not trust his words
R" Yes when Solomon was empowered by God, he was wise. You speak in riddles? I assume you assume the Book of Solomon was written by Solomon? Hence the word "archon" is written in this Book? Maybe the word "shedim" is written in His book often? Maybe God allowed the shedim to cut stones for His temple?
De 30:15 ¶ See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
It's a choice of one or the other, not both as you claim.
1Sa 24:17 And he said to David, Thou art more righteous than I: for thou hast rewarded me good, whereas I have rewarded thee evil.
It's a choice of one or the other, not both as you claim.
2Sa 19:35 I am this day fourscore years old: and can I discern between good and evil?
It's a choice of one or the other, not both as you claim.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
This is perhaps the only comment along your lines Dave. It's I suspect Jewish, that GOD controls both his tov and his ra upon humans. I suspect its a fatal error on behalf of human understanding, not with GOD.
In fact this is the reason why Job is written, to clear up who is the author and controller of RA, and it's certainly not GOD.
But you disagree.
Ps 34:14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
If both come from GOD, why pursue good but not RA, your Jewish logic therefore is an error. RA does not come as a flow from GOD, but from some other power source.
There are 97 other verses that do the same thing, only Job mentions a different view.
D"and you are unable to escape your own doctrinal brainwashing R" Yes, how true you follow this Jewish Job story, that GOD is the author and source of all RA too.
D"Then why do you post conspiracy videos as fact R" Because they are a fact Dave, on the balance of probabilities. Court make judgement using logic...even if all the facts of the case are patchy
D"If you are a true student – why would you say – it too hard to study R Dave we are admonished by Mrs White not to think about Satan and his agents of RA. My website is about Jesus and His salvation. I do not care about Satan at all.
You are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard, I am simply not interested Dave. To me the Hebrew says using the term "opponent" that another power opposes GOD, and so GOD made a tree as a simile of that power, called tov and ra.
Why was it called tov and ra, and not ra? Easy. Pure RA cannot exist. RA is alien to GOD and would cease under his love. Sure God creates the existence of RA, but it is not a flow of RA GOD does, that flow comes from the evil one who wants such RA to exist. Hence the tree has to have GOD with it, but NOT GOD in it; (notice the difference) ; even though GOD is NOT the author and controller of the flow of RA, the wicked person is.
In a sinless heaven, the only tree in the garden is ONE tree, the tree of life. There is no other power, no other father of sin, no other father of RA.
Start reading Scripture correctly Dave, even the Ancient Chinese knew all this long before Rome Edit came along, 3000 BC in fact.
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2021 20:18:27 GMT -5
D" I have been asking and asking you to tell me why it is a sin for an angel to obey the Lord You don’t like the answer – so you refuse R" I do not understand you. Sure you don’t – your Catholic Fallen Angel god hates God / opposes God / is never God’s friend / disobeys God and everything your satan does is SIN
You say the serpent that deceived sinned 1 Kings 22 a volunteer spirit was a deceiving spirit for the Lord You insist this must be a sin - - why is it a sin to serve the Lord?
1Chr21+2Sam24 – God = satan or satan is doing a job for God why is it a sin to serve the Lord?
Job – God asked satan to do a task – why is it a sin to do serve the Lord
How about when God sent the evil spirits to Saul – why is it a sin to do serve the Lord
D"So if you invite me over to eat some Barbie - I should just assume you are a cannibal R" I am vegetarian Dave, and eat plant foods which are not GMO and are organic and have not died of itself. These are health principles of the Bible. OMG Robert – you have absolutely zero ability to comprehend English Australian Barbie is American BBQ And Barbie – is a American woman AND you proved my point – you cannot tell the differences between modern languages
This is perhaps the only comment along your lines Dave. It's I suspect Jewish, that GOD controls both his tov and his ra upon humans. I suspect its a fatal error on behalf of human understanding, not with GOD. When a Jew faces an obstacle – shedim / war / Hitler whatever he sees it as challenges set before him by God —in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
If both come from GOD, why pursue good but not RA, your Jewish logic therefore is an error. —in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not. Your choice – you can choose not to do God’s mitzvahs – no one forces you not even God
RA does not come as a flow from GOD, but from some other power source. Sorry Robert – I’ll stick to scripture Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness (choshek): I make peace (shâlôm) , and create evil (ra‛): I the LORD do all these things.
D"Then why do you post conspiracy videos as fact R" Because they are a fact Dave, on the balance of probabilities. Court make judgement using logic...even if all the facts of the case are patchy Robert – Honestly – you are nit very bright and extremely gullible – because you want it to be true
D"If you are a true student – why would you say – it too hard to study R Dave we are admonished by Mrs White not to think about Satan and his agents of RA. My website is about Jesus and His salvation. I do not care about Satan at all. AND yet all you do is defend the Roman Catholic Fallen Angel worship religion
You are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard, I am simply not interested Dave. YES Robert – there is great joy ate studying scripture at depths – liberating actually
You admit - you are not a student of the word of God - you only study SDA doctrine - whish is just another version of Roman Catholic Romanology
You acknolwedge that Catholicism is a santanic cult - but you also say their satan doctrine is the way all Christianity should believe - so as Christians - should we listened to the doctrine of a satanic cult - or Scriptuire?
You have clearily made your choice And is is obviouse I have made mine
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2021 4:48:25 GMT -5
D"If you are a true student – why would you say – it too hard to study R Dave we are admonished by Mrs White not to think about Satan and his agents of RA. My website is about Jesus and His salvation. I do not care about Satan at all. You are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard, I am simply not interested Dave. To me the Hebrew says using the term "opponent" that another power opposes GOD, and so GOD made a tree as a simile of that power, called tov and ra. Why was it called tov and ra, and not ra? 1- Ellen White actually tells you not to study the true identity of satan – Yet satan is 50% of SDA theology Curious2- Ellen White actually tells you not to study all of scripture – just accept the Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine Curious3- R I am simply not interested – to study and know all of scriptureYet you claim to love the Lord and study his word – CuriousIs that a true student? – NOSo don’t tell me you study scripture to understand scripture better You just seek out verses to support your own doctrine So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD? [ If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – you force the verse to mean something different by calling it a simileIf the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – avoid it – pretend you don’t understand – say it is not importantIf the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – just misrepresent it GOD made a tree as a simile of that power, called tov and raABSOLUTE GARBAGE – again – you have no problem misrepresenting scripture / corrupting scripture / bending scripture so it says what you want it to Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. 3- R I am simply not interested – to study and know all of scriptureYet you claim to love the Lord and study his word – Curious2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for restoration, and for training in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 so that the person belonging to God may be capable, fully equipped Mat 4:4 But He replied, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Joh 17:17 Make them holy in the truth. Your word is truth. Psa 119:130 The unfolding of Your words gives light, giving understanding to the simple. Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power. Eph 6:11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you are able to stand against the schemes of the devil. Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist when the times are evil, and after you have done everything, to stand firm. Eph 6:14 Stand firm then! Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, R I am simply not interestedCurious Is this the result of all those years of chasing SDA doctrine?You say – I am hard on youYou say – you love the Lord and want to know how to increase your faithA lot of Roman Christians say this – yet after many years still do not know the scripture at depth.How many Christians say they love the Lord – but after 20-30 years can’t even answer elementary Sunday School questions – and show up every week to hear the same invocation over and over. I am not hard on you – I challenge you – You say – I am obsessed with your complexities of scripture – YES I AM – all of it You say – Ellen White says don’t study it all or understand it all And you say - I am simply not interestedYES - we are different
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D" Is that a true student? – NOR" Dave, it is not necessary to know all the complex details of our enemy, and I use the Messanic Jews words, as I emailed you before, in my last post. An enemy is a creature that opposes us and opposes God. That is why the Messanic Jews say Jesus died for us, to defeat the enemy. Here is another message from the Messanic Bible people :- I quote" Yeshua, Our Kinsman Redeemer When Boaz stepped into his role as kinsman redeemer, he said, “Ruth have I purchased to be my wife.” (Ruth 4:10) Likewise, Yeshua paid the price for us and by doing so, made us heirs in the family of God. We were poor and destitute in our sin, but Yeshua has made us rich in His Spirit. “The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Messiah.” (Romans 8:16-17)endquote" They use the term “ The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit "to be a reference to the spirit of Jesus our kinsman redeemer. And I like this application very much. Dave quotes me from Dec 28 2019 " So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?" Rob replies" Dave from my experience evidence does not change your view. You are fixed with your view and evidence will not change it. SO I asked you "So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?" Because you are not listening to my evidence. For example in a court of law, assume this meeting with the sons of God was a court of law, which it wasn't, but for your sake, I will enter into your world view: Job 1:1 ¶ There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. A man is declared perfect, upright and avoids RA.Job 1:8 God asked his opponent you term a prosecutor, have you seen my servant I have declared as perfect? If this was about salvation as a process, why isn't salvation "CASE CLOSED"? Answer that question. Secondly is salvation an event or a process? Salvation must be a process to you because a prosecutor is involved that somehow tells GOD this person is guilty of sins, that have not been repented of? Question: How on earth can a prosecutor creature read all the sins un-repented of? At best a prosecutor can only see obvious sins....nobody sees internal sinning except GOD, so answer my question, why would GOD need a prosecutor at all? Thirdly, if Salvation is declared "CASE CLOSED" who gives the prosecutor the right to reopen the case? Notice what the opponent does " Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? The opponent's words are opposing God's declaration? Is this so Dave? Y/N? You say this is a prosecutor's right? NO, only if the salvation process is open to scrutiny.... God declared JOB as perfect. Case is closed. So this opponent is allowing opposing salvation. The opponent is not finding any sinning in JOB, because JOB stopped sinning a long time ago. Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. Here is another opposing lie... Does GOD completely save you from all sinning, and than after you are saved, test you sorely so you become unsaved through sinning? In other words does GOD save and unsave you?Or is GOD in the business of saving sinners from sinning? And this process happens only once until the process is absolutely perfect and you become sinless and stop sinning altogether? What this opponent is asking is for GOD to unsave JOB and allow the opponent to attack JOB so JOB starts sinning all over again? Is this how salvation works Dave? Is a prosecutor normally in court allowed to tempt a victim under trial to do crimes, so the prosecutor can charge the victim for those crimes the prosecutor finds him guilty of? I remember a movie once of a police man pulling over a citizen with a perfect car record. Anything wrong officer? The policeman walks to the back of the car, hits the tail light with his gun, smashing it, and than proceeds to write a default ticket to the driver for a tail light that does not function properly. And you Dave say the police man is allowed to do this sort of prosecuting? That is what your prosecutor does to JOB.The hedge is a simile of salvation, and that is what salvation is, a hedge. The prosecutor is asking GOD to unsave JOB, so more RA can be afflicted upon JOB. Question: Where does all this RA come from? From the prosecutor ? How do we know? Because God says so Job 1:12 ...Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; This verse is actually telling you where RA comes from, not from GOD but from God's opponent. Yes but you say the opponent is nice and obeying God's rules. Why any tennis opponent is nice to you and they shake hands, and than they oppose you and smash your tennis playing off your feet. D" If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – you force the verse to mean something different by calling it a simileR" A simile is something that represents something else, nothing to do with twisting. A seed is a simile of Jesus growing inside you. What's twisting about that? A weed seed is a simile of the opponent growing inside you? Take the tare weed, Johnson's grass, and compare it to Sorghum. They are look alike, until harvest time. They are closely related, but also opponents. They mimic each other, yet oppose each other. D" If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – avoid it – pretend you don’t understand – say it is not importantR Yep, that's what you do. Ezekiel 28 you ignore, all the Scripture you don't like. D" If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – just misrepresent it GOD made a tree as a simile of that power, called tov and ra ABSOLUTE GARBAGER" OH, so what tree would you represent as the dragon power that was already on the earth, during the Creation of earth from Adam than? I think it's a good name, RA/TOV? Talk Dave, why is this idea Garbage? Show me your defense... What Rob posted in context" Dave we are admonished by Mrs White not to think about Satan and his agents of RA. My website is about Jesus and His salvation. I do not care about Satan at all.
You are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard, I am simply not interested Dave. What Dave thinks Rob posted" R I am simply not interested – to study and know all of scriptureYet you claim to love the Lord and study his word – Curious
Rob is surprised at your misquoting of my words Dave. " You are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard" Dave you go into stuff that Scripture does not reveal to us, Gen 6 for example, shedim in Solomon's times etc. Yes I study Scripture, so stop saying I don't study Scripture. You quote so many nice Scriptures, to study Scripture, but you left out a few themes: Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This verse tells me there must be other elohiym powers that oppose GOD, otherwise GOD would not have written this commandment with His own finger. What do these other elohiym powers promise to do for you? Ho 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. 5 ¶ I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. 6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. These so called false gods promise to SAVE you, using SELF powers, hence why we rise in PRIDE, because we are lovers of self, and we empower ourselves with good works deserving of salvation. But you say the false gods tempt you to sin, to do RA, maybe they do this as well, but people worship SELF because it is a false elohiym power that promises to SAVE us. This is a power opposing GOD directly. D" How many Christians say they love the Lord – but after 20-30 years can’t even answer elementary Sunday School questions – and show up every week to hear the same invocation over and over.R I can relate to that D" You say – I am obsessed with your complexities of scripture – YES I AM – all of itR " Really, than stop being swayed by Gnostic writings. Scripture tells us we must only use the torah of Moses first, the first books Moses wrote, even in Ancient Hebrew too, not modern Hebrew. How many trees of power did GOD place in the Eden? TWO. Why TWO? Why not ONE? Answer the significance of this question. If ONE tree, than Adam would be the first to sin, and oppose GOD, hence demand another power to represent SIN which opposes GOD. But instead there are TWO trees already in Eden, and GOD is a power of one tree (tree of life) and the Serpent is the power of the other tree (Tov/RA). Eve wandered over to the wrong tree, and heard the power in the tree talk. And the talker lies to Eve, as this tree already represents sin and that sinning had already taken place, long before Man even existed. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2021 1:24:04 GMT -5
R I am simply not interestedD"Is that a true student? – NOR" Dave, it is not necessary to know all the complex details of our enemy,What enemy – our real struggle as Paul says – or your satan as Rome saysMessanic Jews say Jesus died for us, to defeat the enemy.Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah Yeshua our Lord! Agreed – who is the enemy – (yester ra) of biology – physical WORLD and the beast within it “The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Messiah.” (Romans 8:16-17) They use the term “The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit "to be a reference to the spirit of Jesus our kinsman redeemer. And I like this application very much.Yet you deny than man has a spirit – there is no ‘our spirit’ according to you You teach this verse as His Spirit teaches the HS within usRob replies" Dave from my experience evidence does not change your view. You are fixed with your view and evidence will not change it. First you agree and post – The Catholic Church is a satanic cultThen you demand that this satanic doctrine be worship by all Christiansevidence does not change your view You are fixed with your view evidence will not change it.Question: Where does all this RA come from? From the prosecutor ? How do we know? Because God says so Job 1:12 ...Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; This verse is actually telling you where RA comes from, not from GOD but from God's opponent.Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things. (Joh 1:3) All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. Sorry Robert – I will stick with scriptureD" If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – avoid it – pretend you don’t understand – say it is not important R Yep, that's what you do. Ezekiel 28 you ignore, all the Scripture you don't like.Ezk 28 is all about man – I do not deny it all – Mr Honest How many times have you told me that shedim or sirum or Lillith are just one or two verse – so there is not enough for you to study?But you have two words that stand alone and dominate your Catholic TheologyToo bad you can't offer more verse to go along with it to build a case for your doctrine You have certianlly have been given the opportunity Yet - all you offer is Ellen White and some assumptionsD"If the verse doesn’t fit your doctrine – just misrepresent it GOD made a tree as a simile of that power, called tov and ra ABSOLUTE GARBAGE Talk Dave, why is this idea Garbage? Show me your defense...I did Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. IT IS NOT THE TREE OF TOV AND RA - IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE TWOWhat Rob posted in context" Dave we are admonished by Mrs White not to think about Satan and his agents of RA. What Dave thinks Rob posted" R I am simply not interested – to study and know all of scripture Yet you claim to love the Lord and study his word – CuriousWhy do you refuse to study the Beast of Revelation – is this not an important topic for someone who believe so heavily in satan as a god of evil You even go so far as to suggest that the trinity of ra in Revelations is just satan satan satan and not Beast Devil Serpent satanas
Why do you refuse to defend your Don Patton
Why do you refuse to finish the discussion of the 7th day
Tried to discuss the Mark of cain with youNo Robert - you have failed to demonstrate interest in ALL of scriptureYou are obsessed with your complex array of things, demigods, inbreeding of human races, etc etc, boy you go overboard, I am simply not interested Dave.60-75% of the ahl deals specifically with all of this – and all of the agl is about this Why arnt you interested in understanding the ahl – you brag about the Torah – yet you deny it as factualActually - I am obcessed with many things within scripture - all things in scripture Too Bad you have no interestEx 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This verse tells me there must be other elohiym powers that oppose GOD, otherwise GOD would not have written this commandment with His own finger. What do these other elohiym powers promise to do for you?How do you know – you are not even interested in who they areYou even say - they are made up stuffWhat is the commandment of Jesus Christ - Seek ye first the Kingdom of God - and Jer 1:5The Hypostasis of the ArchonsMoreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.These so called false gods promise to SAVE you, using SELF powers, hence why we rise in PRIDE, because we are lovers of self, and we empower ourselves with good works deserving of salvation. All sounds like (yester ra) to me – what does that have to do with your satan ruling man – or the god of evil - NOTHING!But you say the false gods tempt you to sin, to do RA, maybe they do this as well, but people worship SELF because it is a false elohiym power that promises to SAVE us. All sounds like (yester ra) to me – what does that have to do with your satan ruling man – or the god of evil - NOTHING!D" How many Christians say they love the Lord – but after 20-30 years can’t even answer elementary Sunday School questions – and show up every week to hear the same invocation over and over. R I can relate to that AND I AM TALKING TO ONE!Why is it a sin for an angel to serve the Lord? Who are the 'other gods' of the ahl - how are they related to the Beast of Rev 12? Who is Beelzeebub - and why did everyone in the agl understand - but you don't How can you read the story of the serprent being cursed - and deny it is a beast of the field Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. You argue over and over - your satan angel cannot not have offspringSo - who is satan's seed?If you argue they are not real physical beings - then how can Eve's seed be physical beings Who are the Hebrew satyrs - if not physical creatures - or is this just more false ahl? How can you read stories about Sodom or the Flood - and deny God kills people AND - if the Rephiem are just made up stuff Why does your feel good God that doesn't kill - ORDER A COMPLETE GENOCYDE of 7 tribes You deny so much - it is hard for you to tell what is real?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 13:55:48 GMT -5
D"Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? R" Why do we need rescuing from our body of death?
Because the wages of sin-offering is death. Hence our body dies because we have sinned. So our real enemy is our sinning, but unfortunately for us once we do sinning, the sin affect becomes epi-genetic, and hence our body becomes a body unto death. And where did sin come from? Not from God. SO our views are different. You have a tov/ra world where God intentionally made made of RA inside him.
NO, no No. Our body of death came from SIN. Sin was never designed by GOD. to sin or not to sin is a choice, not a created act.
However once you demand to GOD, you want to sin, God has to unfortunately create the RA you desire, so you can see the consequences of your choice to sin, because normally under GOD such missing is not normally allowed to exist.
D"You teach this verse as His Spirit teaches the HS within us R Not quite Dave, The spirit of Jesus is administrated by the HS inside of us, when our souls choose to support this power, and thus the HS living inside of us is administrating the living aspect of our souls, so we become living independent entities, take this power and allow it to empower a character development similar to Jesus character of love. Did you catch the sentence details and complexity? A simile picture is the older bull yoked to you, the younger bull. The yoke is the HS, and the older bull is Jesus. There are three persons all co-operating to develop a character similar to the Father's love in heaven.
Just because the HS is an agency for allowing us to live as living energy (ie a soul) does not mean we are NOT free will to grow and develop and do things under GOD. Sure the HS is an agency partnered to us, but our souls do and can co-operate with GOD and thus develop with God a character we freely choose to develop. Dave has a extreme view of Scripture:-
Isa 45:7 (GOD creates RA) I, Adonai, do all these things. (Joh 1:3) All things, including RA and SIN, were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. Col 1:16 For by Him all things, including RA and SIN, were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
So in your view, GOD creates SIN and RA and all things both good and bad come from GOD.
Is this your view, Dave?
I am sorry, this is not my view of GOD. Sin and RA is fathered by the fallen angel, the devil, as Jesus told us in John 8.
D"Ezk 28 is all about man – I do not deny it all R" SO man is a cherub, what happened to the similes of poetry Dave? Therefore man can fly GOD places in the heavens, and MAN lives with GOD, thus GOD dwells between MAN??
D"Too bad you can't offer more verse to go along with it to build a case for your doctrine How many verses define faith Dave? One verse only How many verses define salvation Dave? One verse only How many verses define elohiym Dave? One verse only God does not talk and talk and talk the same stuff. Once and you must obey. Your choice.
D"IT IS NOT THE TREE OF TOV AND RA - IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE TWO
R" OK so now the bad tree is named as two components? Does the Devil, only do RA things, Dave? or RA and TOV things? which is it?
Nobody in the universe can do RA, ie do SIN on their own. Not possible. If God wasn't around, all matter would cease to exist. Therefore nobody can SIN or do RA on their own. Not possible.
SO how can a person under GOD sin? God has to allow you to sin, as you choose, and God has to create this imaginary thing you desire, so God creates the RA you seek, and thus we have the aptly named Tree, Tov/Ra. Its a reference to God and you wanting to sin. There were two trees, and you ignore this fact also?
D"Why do you refuse to defend your Don Patton Why do you refuse to finish the discussion of the 7th day Tried to discuss the Mark of cain with you No Robert - you have failed to demonstrate interest in ALL of scripture
R" Dave I also tried to discuss salvation and emanuah with you, far more important themes, but you were not that interested.
D"How do you know – you are not even interested in who they are R Funny Dave. Of course I study scripture. I know who they are. Never read the Two Babylons by Hislop? ---------------------------
D"You argue over and over - your satan angel cannot not have offspring So - who is satan's seed? R" Same logic, that Jesus cannot have offspring, so who is Jesus' seed?
Answer humans are.
When you support Satan and his powers of RA by sinning, you become from epi-genetics, a seed of Satan. Its a figure head Dave, and when you support Jesus words so His powers grow in you, you become a seed of Jesus. By beholding a power, you become like that power.
D"If you argue they are not real physical beings - then how can Eve's seed be physical beings Eve carries within her future seed for biological children of Adam.
Jesus came into the biological seed of Eve and thus was biologically descended from Eve's seed.
When Christians support Jesus and his power as a seed growing in them, the person's character develops like Jesus character. In this sense we become a "biological clone" of Jesus. It is a creative process done within the compassion centre of the HS, ( se PS 51: 9 to 10) and we do become biologically / spiritually children of Jesus. Now for Satan, a fallen angel, this process is not well understood. But there is this verse:-
Ps 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. Isa 59:4 ..they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
Seems to me that "Aven" is epi-genetically inherited, so in this sense, there can be a Father of RA and thus a Father of wickedness and children to the Devil.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
Not sure if Jesus is talking literally or spiritually here, or both, but seems to me the children of the Devil, is just as biological in a sense, with verses that say "born propensities" (isa 59:4) ----------------------
D"Who are the Hebrew satyrs ? R " a god in Greek literature who is half man and half goat ? You tell me, and show me a verse using this word? -----------------------------
D" How can you read stories about Sodom or the Flood - and deny God kills people R" Are these not examples of GOD judging people? Is GOD not a source of living, and thus has the right to end the living within you, ie remove God's presence from you, because you sin before God?
Sodom had opportunity to repent, as did the people during the time of Noah. God did not wound anybody from salvation. Removing their state of living, is not ratsach. If living is a relationship to GOD, surely GOD can remove His presence from you, if He wants to. And sinning is the only reason He removes his presence from you.
No ratsach, is different. That is removing your chance of seeking GOD as your Saviour. No wounding. No inflict wounds on the body that is no longer functions. But notice the removal of God's presence, is different:-
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Jeff Benner terms this a striking, not a plague. Notice the way people fall to the ground, their bodies fall from them, becoming falling atoms. They cease to exist. This is not ratsach. The person is not wounded, but falling away, ceasing to exist, because God is leaving them.
D" the Rephiem are just made up stuff? R For me? Yes But I respect your view, you can support " the Rephiem" all the want. But Gen 6 does not refer to your view. It means the son's of Seth, also known and the Sons of God, saw the daughters of Cain, and had sex in marriage to them, mixing the holy seed of GOD. Shalom
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