|
Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2021 16:43:48 GMT -5
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. This verse clearly says angels and archons are required to follow moral laws. This verse says the archon are liars and murders – is this the law you say they must follow? If God makes them follow these laws – why is it a sin to obey the Lord?So why does the lion murderer, and the worm destroy, Because God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply – why is it a sin to obey the Lord?You divide the RA into two originsNope only one – physical creation comes with entropy / ra / corruption And ra – like everything was created by God – The One True CreatorRe 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Here all the RA labels are the same sinning Being.Precept upon precept, line upon line – not just one verse RobertRe 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: Physical creation – yes indeedWell saying ra is a natural fundamental of all things, makes God seem weak to me.If you do not like God’s creation – then I ask – to whom do you give the praise God sent you here to witness to this world – and you just whine – I don’t like it Good and faithful servant Why was there two trees in the Garden? because there were two powers in this Creation of earth?There were many trees in the garden – are there many powers Scripture say only one was forbidden – only one commandment – and man did not obeySeventh, you are go off track in your view, you say GOD can even create Creatures intentionally with RA in them (YESTER RA)Yes – physical creature – like man – all come with (yester ra) – biological instinct that puts body firstWhat your theology does is make GOD the creator of all things, including RA, YES – there is only One True Creator – I will say it over and over and overBy stating this idea, you place mankind into a different playing field, and all the other creatures are exempt from moral laws, because only man has free will to choose. What are the moral laws for fish, squirrels, or cows What must these creatures of matter do to violate a moral law Then show me the commandment for cows – what rule do they live by Once you said they live by animal nature – cool – show me the laws that govern that natureR" First how much of this website do you support? www.gnosticdoctrine.com/2020/06/the-valentinian-trinity-and-origins-of.html Gnostic Doctrine is a research websites about Gnostic theology.Ok – I will answer this – then I will post some Mormon doctrine and let you defend it Such a valuable use of time
The Valentinians generally believed that our universe originated from the primeval intermingling of two realms of Light and Darkness, or Spirit and Matter (wiki) Valentinus produced a variety of writings, but only fragments survive, largely those quoted in rebuttal arguments in the works of his opponents, not enough to reconstruct his system except in broad outlineThe basic logic behind the trinity goes like this: The Spirit or Light represented the highest and finest substance that originated from the essence of the highest and most sublime God. YES – God is Spirit – The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God – Christ is spirit – angels are spirit And they occupy – reside in invisible incorruptible heaven
Matter represented death and evil, and everything that was opposed to God. The Soul is a composite substance comprised of both spiritual and material essences. Matter = physical creation = the corruption is the ancient Gnostic thinking – but it still fits Nag Hammadi says – The First Archon was only the first sentient creature made with some physical creation
R" DO you support these words Dave? This gloomy archon has three names: the first name is Yaldabaoth, the second is Sakla, the third is Samael” (Apocryphon of John, 11:52; quoted from Marvin Meyer, Nag Hammadi Scriptures, HarperCollins, pg. 116). There you go Mr respectful student I have always asked you to remain true – to be honest – to stay on the same page as me and use only the CGLP translation – but you refuse So what is the beast has many names – Big deal – who cares God has many names and identifiers and they do not confuse youIn the Apocryphon of John the soul of mankind originates from Yaldabaoth and is of like nature to himself (15). Sophia’s spirit is breathed into Adam and he then becomes a superior nature to his Creator (19f.). Wrong translation – a translation I already taught you was filled with biasIs that why you choose it – just to be an assThe Valentinian Trinity mandates that there are three theological principles that correspond to the three natures: Spirit, Soul and Matter. The spiritual God is the supreme Being, the Secret God of the Valentinians. The Soul God is the Demiurge. This is the God of justice, the Creator, that was revealed in the Bible. God – above – beyond description God = Spirit = Holy Spirit – the helper – the comforter God = matter = Jesus ChristR" DO you support these words Dave?YEP!How many Gods does Gnosticism have? Many – 100s – if not 1000s – 33 other gods- of the Levant + all the World And all of them created being made with some matter = archon None of the is the One True Creator
And then the material God was identified with Satan, and was referred to by some Gnostics as the “Cosmocrator” or “World-Ruler.” Each God was the governor of its peculiar domain, whether of Spirit, or of the Soul, or of the material world, where all power falls into the hands of predators. OK – it is just a name – ruler of this WORLD agreed Each archon with a specific area of responsibility = YES!
Who is the prince ‘sar’ of Persia Dan 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel; for from the first day that thou didst set thy heart to understand, and to humble thyself before thy God, thy words were heard: and I am come for thy words' sake. Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days; but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me: and I remained there with the kings of Persia. The prince of Persia = an archon with Persia as his domain – his area The Valentinians believed that all material substance, and evil, originated from Sophia’s grief From the HS grief? What?Don’t have the text or the time right now – but we spoke of this before After Sophia saw the product of her creation – she was geieved
The HS = God – so it is just like Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, from humankind to livestock, crawling things and the flying creatures of the sky, because I regret that I made them.”----------------------------------------------- Explain to me where chosek came from? Or is chosek a fundamental ? Part of the uncaused cause? Rev 12:3 – there appeared the Beast / Physical creation Or Rev 12:3 physical creation appeared and the First Archon was the First sentient to appear in it
Rp"DO you really support this idea? So darkness or RA is a great uncaused cause the light of GOD puts up with? D" Quote me Robert – a little academic honesty would be helpfulR" OK sorry. than quote so I can understand you, write and explain so I get you meanings. Quote me and I’ll explain it to youYou posted this idea from an outside source and are trying to slip those words into my mouth and my doctrin - Honest man - Christian - can't you play it straight! 1) This is not a fundmantal because God creates them. God created everything – no other option2) Darkness and RA are similes of each other. OK – entropy = choshek – the movement away from God 3) Bara, create means to engineer things from other things. No – bara means to enlarge – to fatten – you cannot creat something out of nothing – it isd God’s lae E=mc24) So where does this darkness and ra come from? All Part of God’s plan / God’s Will – just because you do not like it means nothing5) You have the idea of bara to mean fill or fatten? SO where is the vessel of darkness or ra, from which God fills or fattens them, same as above idea. The vessel = physical creation that comes with entropy6) Some other creature apart from GOD has to desire darkness and ra, for God to create them. No one tells God what to do – it is all God’s Plan / God’s Will – noone forces God to do anything7) I have postulated that darkness or ra (same thing) comes from SIN, and this some SINNING creature wishes God to create the fruits of their sinning, so the imaginary can become visible to both God and Make all the assumptions you wantD" Only the Beast of revelation appeared ready to devour – from the beginning – choshek – Gen 1:2 R" so the beast Yalboath was ready to devour darkness? self appeared? But this is not considered sin Dave?DUH – there is only one creator – if it appeared it came from God Gen 1 – we are told God said – and there was Gen 2 – God breathed and Adam became a human being But Rev 12:3 the Beast just appears – Answer – God didn’t say let there be – the HS did it all on her/his own (Gnostic Text) Why did the HS include ra into creation – because physical creation comes with entropy Entropy is a by-product of creation – Entropy is inherent to physical creation Mat 6:3 But when you do tzedakah, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, D"The sinning angels are the bane elohiym and Nephilim of Gen 6 R" SO we introduce a second origin of darkness? No – only one origin – thus the definitionAngels doing Gen 6? Book of Enoch says angels, but you seem to think it's wrongly named? You just choose to trip over names and words whenever it fits your doctrine But if I ask you who YAHWEH-SHAMMAH or EL SHADDAI are – are you confused?Does GOD allow such amalgamation of the beast Yalboath with humans? This would be an abomination? You just posted how God does allow amalgamations Pick one and stick with itMeaning? spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htm Please read my study so at least you can answer my logic on shadows, RA and darkness. I will try – if I have the time If it was important I would make the time huh? Sort of like watching a video – maybe I will – maybe I wont – or I just bash it without looking atD" Yes – they just do what they do – love world – promote world Until they took on mortal form - changed their form to mate with women – Gen 6 R" so these archon rulers of darkness are programmed to love ra and the world, Yep – that is their mission – to love this world and get men to love this world more than God mating with humans so the humans also love darkness and the world also. The Nephilim was a test / contest that per-Flood man failed The Rephiem were/are a post-Flood test that man fails all the time The agl authors called the Archon – and they are in our face today Eph 6:12
D" Free Will is the freedom Not to be a robot R" OK, so why limit freedom only to humans? The Torah was written to man – about man – so that man can 1- remember is purpose here – to witness – Jer 1:5 2- then the scriptures give us the ammunition to fight the good fight - as you say 3- What’s the point – to save man – to save as many prodigal Sons as possible – to save every man if possible – not just the religious few 4- what are we supposed to be doing on earth – witnessing – generating FRUITYou limit God Dave, to man being the only creature under the creation of multiply worlds as the only creature to have freedom. NO – ABSOLUTLY NOT – Gnosticism has the heavens filled with beings of all typesThere may be many earths like this one – with many Roberts There may be many worlds where the scripture reads differently There may be many worlds where scripture reads exactly the same But the scriptute earth has been given is for earth and the men of earthD"What is our characters spirit ? R" Didn't I answer this many times before? 1) the HS of GOD is the administration (medium- ruwach) of Jesus flowing into us 2) to the HS (ruwach-medium) living in us is our old natures (nashamah) we allow Jesus to change into His character and nature. OK OK OK – our spirit = GOD or the HS So God sins and your HS sins because man sinsD" Your refuse to post your views – you just want to ridicule Richard and chase him away R" No Dave, I would not mock or be unkind to anybody. Too lateD" The Nag Hammadi was written by the same authors as the agl – they were all Messianic Jews save Luke R" Really? SO Peter wrote Gnostic writings? And James? and even Paul? show me some writings of them YES – and who banned them from the Roman Canon RobertWho decided that the Gospel of Thomas is not included Who destroyed the Gospel of Phillis so much that it survives in only one copy? 1 Esdras (Vulgate 3 Esdras), 2 Esdras (Vulgate 4 Esdras), Tobit, Judith ("Judeth" in Geneva), Rest of Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4 – 16:24), Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach), Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy ("Jeremiah" in Geneva), (all part of Vulgate Baruch), Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13), The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14), Prayer of Manasseh (Daniel), 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees Who decided that none of these book are to be in your BibleThe Nag Hammadi Library - The Prayer of the Apostle Paul(Approximately two lines are missing.) ... your light, give me your mercy! My Redeemer, redeem me, for I am yours; the one who has come forth from you. You are my mind; bring me forth! You are my treasure house; open for me! You are my fullness; take me to you! You are (my) repose; give me the perfect thing that cannot be grasped! I invoke you, the one who is and who pre-existed in the name which is exalted above every name, through Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords, the King of the ages; give me your gifts, of which you do not repent, through the Son of Man, the Spirit, the Paraclete of truth. Give me authority when I ask you; give healing for my body when I ask you through the Evangelist, and redeem my eternal light soul and my spirit. And the First-born of the Pleroma of grace -- reveal him to my mind! Grant what no angel eye has seen and no archon ear (has) heard, and what has not entered into the human heart which came to be angelic and (modelled) after the image of the psychic God when it was formed in the beginning, since I have faith and hope. And place upon me your beloved, elect, and blessed greatness, the First-born, the First-begotten, and the wonderful mystery of your house; for yours is the power and the glory and the praise and the greatness for ever and ever. Amen. Prayer of Paul (the) Apostle. In Peace. Christ is holy. Rome declared heresy – placed on the index of writing you are never to read In fact – this prayer was to be burnt on sight and the reads put to deathWhy?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 4:38:40 GMT -5
Greetings Dave I get the impression God is the only creator of everything, including RA.
Lions, sharks and archons are all creatures of tov and ra, created that way from the beginning, because it is OK for RA creatures to obey the Lord and do what they are programmed to do.
Man is the only creature for earth to be with free will, and thus has to overcome the natural ra of flesh, as well as overcome the temptations of these programmed ra archons who tempt man to love the world, rather than love God.
Sin only first existed with mankind, as a being who was first to disobey God, and thus now was the first being to have lost his brightness with God and is subject to mortal death. The only agents of darkness are the archon rulers who were created that way, but some later found the humans fair, and change their forms to have sex with woman, causing demi god archons that tempt man in all sorts of ways to love the world rather than God. The chief is called Satanas, while others are called demons or devils.
One angel known falsely as Satan, is a good angel doing a bad job as a prosecutor, helping God know the humans who sin. Much of your theories come also from selected Gnostic writings, while avoiding the corrupted writings written by some to disrupt the truth written long ago and suppressed by the Roman edit of modern so called Bibles.
Shalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2021 6:29:58 GMT -5
I get the impression God is the only creator of everything, including RA.
Scripture couldn’t be clearer – and I believe scripture Col 1:16 For by him were all thinges created, that are in heaue and that are in earth, visible and inuisible, whether [they be] maiestie or lordeshippe, either rule or power: All thynges were created by hym and for hym. Col 1:17 And he is before all thynges, and in hym all thynges consist.
Lions, sharks and archons are all creatures of tov and ra, created that way from the beginning, because it is OK for RA creatures to obey the Lord and do what they are programmed to do. NO – animals are creatures of only (yester ra) self-preservation instinct YES – it ok for an animal to be an animal – that is how they were created
Man is the only creature for earth to be with free will, and thus has to overcome the natural ra of flesh, as well as overcome the temptations of these programmed ra archons who tempt man to love the world, rather than love God.
Man is the only creature that can choose – correct Man is the only created creature with Free Will Man was place on earth – with two choices: Love God back as a Prodigal Son, or love the World Just live as an animal trying to be an alpha greedily gathering possession of wealth (worldly treasure) Or dedicate yourself to love of God (heavenly treasure)
Sin only first existed with mankind, as a being who was first to disobey God, and thus now was the first being to have lost his brightness with God and is subject to mortal death.
NOT SCRIPTURAL Rom 5:13 For vnto the lawe, was sinne in the worlde: but sinne is not imputed when there is no lawe.
Gen 2 = there was one and only one commandment – given to man Gen 3 – man disobeyed that law / transgressed that law Now the law applies to all mankind – Man / men / human beings
Rom 5:12 Wherfore, as by one man sinne entred into the worlde, & death by sinne: euen so, death entred into all men, insomuch as all haue sinned.
What is the only other law that existed before Adam? Nature is instructed – be fruitful and multiply
The only agents of darkness are the archon rulers who were created that way, but some later found the humans fair, and change their forms to have sex with woman, causing demi god archons that tempt man in all sorts of ways to love the world rather than God. The chief is called Satanas, while others are called demons or devils.
Archon agents of darkness – OK 1- Gen 6 – they co-mingled with man in visible form – living as physical form they lusted, desired, wanted to be an alpha, selfishly taking whatever they liked (SELF) – including women 2- Scripture clearly speaks of the Nephilim This is how I see the Hebrew Gen 6:4 But there were Giantes in those dayes in ye earth: yea & after that the sonnes of God came vnto the daughters of me, and hadde begotten chyldren of them, the same became myghtie men of the worlde, and men of renowme.
H5303 - נְפִל - nephil - From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant Noun – plural – masculine – subject of the sentence – (a noun from a verb = gerund) H5307 – נָפַל - nâphal - A primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications Verb – to fall
And this is where Rome gets the term FALLEN ONES
1- English use of gerunds = To teach (v) teacher noun – teaches others To lecture (v) lecturer – spreads information To govern (v) governor – governs others To rule (v) ruler – rules others To fall (v) nephilim – causes others to fall
Giants – Greek = always demigods children of the titans and mother Gia (earth)
Look at this sentence structure – it is convoluted 1- the demigods (creatures of sprit+matter) are already here on earth – Gen 1:2 2- after that – later in Gen 6 3- the phrase ‘the same became’ / ‘the same became’ / Those were / the same were
Everyone in English associates this last phrase with the children – because in English word placement is important – the pronoun ‘they’ outous in Greek then belongs to the closest noun – children This is not how Hebrew or Greek is written
myghtie men of the worlde, and men of renowme. Are the Nephilim / giants subject of the sentence – not the children
myghtie men of the worlde, and men of renowme. Baal, Molech, Zeus, Set, Horus, Annanaki, Hindu gods, etc etc
One angel known falsely as Satan, is a good angel doing a bad job as a prosecutor, helping God know the humans who sin. One angel correctly known as Hebrew satan exist in the ahl And one satanas from the agl who is of the Beast, devil, serpent race
Much of your theories come also from selected Gnostic writings, All of this is 100% from the ahl and agl alone
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2021 6:50:46 GMT -5
Much of your theories come also from selected Gnostic writings, while avoiding the corrupted writings written by some to disrupt the truth written long ago and suppressed by the Roman edit of modern so called Bibles.
In the first century - no called themselves Gnostic Gnostic is a Roman term to define anything not Roman - a catch all phrase like - apocropha So - to be an honest student you post crap that I have never heard of because some encylopedia called it Gnostic
I will begin posting the works of Joseph Smith and call it SDA - both Christian Or I will post a bunch of Catholic stuff and call it SDA - both Christian Ever heard of the Baháʼ Faith (your Mr Miller was much involved with them) - they also call themselve Christian
Why do you belive all these strange religions - they are all Christian Yet - you deliberately post ancient gnostic crap here to confuse the issue Mr honest student
The Nag Hammadi is a Library hidden for the generation of the end of days Written by first century Christians - the First Christians - the disciples themselves
Roman edit - any reference to the archon was omitted from the agl Gospel of Thoman - Aprocraph of John - Pauls 3rd letter to Corinth
In the beginning ot our time together - I asked - if you could read a letter from Peter to Phillip back when they both ministerd for Christ - would you want to read it
You said - yes that would be amazing Now that you realize it speaks o the archon and Rome as banned the letter for Christians You - mock it - call it fake - doubt the words and the author
Roman Edit alive and well
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 15:57:06 GMT -5
The Nag Hammadi is a Library hidden for the generation of the end of days Written by first century Christians - the First Christians - the disciples themselves
Can you really prove this Dave?
Shalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2021 19:21:00 GMT -5
No one cares how much you want to argue – these authors walked and talked with Jesus Christ before and after his resurrection – I want to know Christ as they knew Christ – the original Messianic ChristianityThe ahl is all about the NATION of ISRAEL / God’s chosen people against the WORLD Yes – there is a personal application – but the overall message is the 1% vrs the 99% to bring about Jesus Christ But in reality – the ahl is a large scale history of the birth of Jesus Christ Christ – made it all personal – small scale – speaking directly to you and me It is all about you and Christ / you and God The evil of the ahl – Baal / Molech / Zeus of other nations all becomes agl satanas in your face Gen 3:15 is all about your and my struggle against the WORLDWhat is the WORLD = biology – (yester ra) – if you are a cow – the whole point in life = Be fruitful and multiply – the whole point of (yester ra) self-preservation of SELF and your species What is the WORLD = biology – (yester ra) – but if you have (yester tov) also – knowledge of the Lord – the true knowledge of right and wrong – tov and ra - now you have a conscious that will convict you in your dreams – bother you – remind you – that you deliberately choose (yester ra) My version of Paul Romans Chapter 7 – miserable man that I am – who will save me from this flesh of sin – Christ and Christ alone Gen 3:15 is all about your and my struggle against the WORLD – AND SATAN’S SEEDGod’s angels (messengers) cannot have offspring Messengers of the Beast are made with some matter and did have offspring These authors all call them ARCHON Which is just a First century word for shedim / Jinn / demons / devils / Rev 12 Beast and company The Apocryphon of JamesSince you asked that I send you a secret book which was revealed to me and Peter by the Lord, I could not turn you away "He has ascended, and has given us a pledge, and promised life to us all, and revealed to us children (?) who are to come after us, after bidding us love them, as we would be saved for their sakes." The Apocryphon of JohnThe teaching of the savior, and the revelation of the mysteries and the things hidden in silence, even these things which he taught John, his disciple. And it happened one day, when John, the brother of James - who are the sons of Zebedee - had come up to the temple, that a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him, "Where is your master whom you followed?" And he said to him, "He has gone to the place from which he came." The Gospel of Thomas – already well known to the worldThese are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down. The Book of Thomas the Contender - already well known to the worldThe secret words that the savior spoke to Judas Thomas which I, even I, Mathaias, wrote down, while I was walking, listening to them speak with one another. The Apocalypse of Paul AKA Paul’s 3rd Epistle to Corinth - already well known to the worldThe Apocalypse of PeterAs the Savior was sitting in the temple in the three hundredth (year) of the covenant and the agreement of the tenth pillar, and being satisfied with the number of the living, incorruptible Majesty, he said to me, "Peter, blessed are those above belonging to the Father, "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law." "For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons, of a man and a naked woman who is manifold and subject to much suffering. "And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals." GEE = WONDER WHY ROME DIDN’T ADD THIS TO THE CANONThe Letter of Peter which he sent to Philip"Peter, the apostle of Jesus Christ, to Philip, our beloved brother and our fellow apostle, and (to) the brethren who are with you: greetings! Then, when the apostles had come together, and had thrown themselves upon their knees, they prayed thus saying, "Father, Father, Father of the light, who possesses the incorruptions, hear us just as thou hast taken pleasure in thy holy child Jesus Christ. For he became for us an illuminator in the darkness. Yea hear us!" Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?" Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. Be not afraid, I am with you forever, as I previously said to you when I was in the body." Then there came lightning and thunder from heaven, and what appeared to them in that place was taken up to heaven. Also The Gospel of Truth, the teachings of the Pistis Sophia, Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians) Were all well known to the worldThe Nag Hammadi was a complete Library There are works of the agl authors – I have read them – spent time with themThere are works for SETHIANS – who do not accept spirit – Jesus was a man – that gained divinity when the Dove came down at Baptism These two Christian groups – both from Egypt results in the Arian Controversy and the only reason Ecumenical councils were formed to address theological issues Arian Controversy – two Egyptian Priest – overseen by the Pope of Alexandria at Nicaea And then there are some letters / epistles / and secular writing that mean nothing 2Ti 3:16 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: 1Th 5:21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; Psa 19:2 + Rom 1:19-20 WWII + 1948 Israel + 1945 Nag Hammadi (about the archon) + 1947 Dead Sea Scrolls (War Scroll - about the tribulation periord) + DEMOGRAPHIC WINTER + Australian University and an MIT computer predicted when civilization will endhttps://bigthink.com › paul-ratner › in-1973-an-mit-co... Aug 23, 2018 — The prediction, which recently re-appeared in Australian media, was made by a program dubbed World One. It was originally created by the ... Convergence of overpopulation + pollution + radiation exposeure = 2050 + War - war in the Middle East - beginning in the Middle East + Chinas new allegience to Iran for oil Consider - some say - China kewn their economy was over - so they let the virus loose to even the world China is destined to collapse - usually dying regeims start a war to refocuse the people off him an onto another enemy + my personal pet peve - nuclaer radiation - war or not
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 16:10:00 GMT -5
" And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals." Yes indeed, many of us are dry canal, empty storms Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God (as a dry canal); for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name ( as a dry canal). Same idea as Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God (as a empty storm); for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name (as a empty storm). I smiled at your comment ------------------------------------------ Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?"
Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. Be not afraid, I am with you forever, as I previously said to you when I was in the body." Then there came lightning and thunder from heaven, and what appeared to them in that place was taken up to heaven.When I was in the body? This seems to suggest Jesus came to man in a body, and in heaven, has left His earthly body? Is this your view Dave? And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. How can a Father send an expression of Himself? Your view is not support here, it seems to say the Father sent His Son. Explain. The term " archons" is interesting, but if this is all written in Greek and translated into English, why doesn't the translators also translate "archon" into "rulers". Please explain. Show me the actual verse here in it's original language? Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?" ---------------------------- Nice presentation Dave Shalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 15, 2021 22:37:44 GMT -5
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals." I smiled at your comment Not my comments – The Disciple Peter – (google) also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, Simon, Cephas, or Peter the Apostle, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, and one of the first leaders of the early Church. According to Christian tradition, Peter was crucified in Rome ------------------------------------------ When I was in the body? This seems to suggest Jesus came to man in a body, and in heaven, has left His earthly body? Is this your view Dave?NOT THE SAME BODY – Jesus was changed – as we will all change to be like Him Amazing you are so willing to deny scripture! Or argue scripture is error! And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me.So you doubt that God can reach out and touch you from His throne – a very Christina teaching is it?How can a Father send an expression of Himself? Your view is not support here, it seems to say the Father sent His Son. Explain.Who is the creator of the ahl = God Who is the creator in the agl = Christ who is Jesus Christ = who is God incarnate = What is the Spirit of God = the Holy Spirit = who is the Spirit of Christ God above – beyond definition – no man can comprehend or see Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live. God in Spirit – than man can experience – shekinah – God among the people - your shaddy - God's Glory Exo 33:22 and it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand until I have passed by: God in the form of a man – God incarnate = Jesus Christ = Christ Exo 33:23 and I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back; but my face shall not be seen. You are the only Christian I have ever met that actually argues from the position: God cannot – or God is not allowed – it is impossible for GodThe term "archons" is interesting, but if this is all written in Greek and translated into English, why doesn't the translators also translate "archon" into "rulers". Please explain. G746 - ἀρχή - chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): Order = Act 10:11 καὶ θεωρεῖ τὸν οὐρανὸν ἀνεῳγμένον καὶ καταβαῖνον ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν σκεῦός τι ὡς ὀθόνην μεγάλην, τέσσαρσιν ἀρχαῖς δεδεμένον καὶ καθιέμενον ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, Time = Gen 1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν. Rank = Gen 42:6 Ιωσηφ δὲ ἦν ἄρχων Paul Eph 6:12 / Luke 12:11 = principality Ruler - also translated as authority Ponder this - YHWY = the one and only Stromg Authority - Supreme Authority The Archon are of the WORLD - their authority = limited to the WORLD Man's authority is only of his own choices - his own Free Will The Archon are above us = they can be invisible or visible - can you? They can manipulate the WORLD = wind, rain, storms, disease - can you Do God's angels have authority over us? NO they are only the messengers Do angels actively tempt you to believe? NO they are only the messengers Instaed angels - watch over us protectively Who cares about the word – the name – I offered to call them all Principalities to be KJV consistentThe Jews 3000 years ago called them shedim Islam and the Arabic Middle East have always called them Jinn Catholics call them devils and demons Who cares about the word – the name – THE POINT = The reality of the Archon – our real struggle of Eph 6:12All military live and die by the words of General Sun Tzu = KNOW YOUR ENEMYYour entire effort here is to deny their existence – instated you want everyone to believe in the empty – full of holes – you cannot answer questions Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine and your god of evilYOU HAVE TOO MANY GODS! Show me the actual verse here in it's original language? Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?"The Nag Hammadi codices are currently housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. If you would like to see the ancient manuscripts themselves, digital images of the original Nag Hammadi Codices are available online at the Claremont Colleges Digital Library. ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/collection/nhaYou butcher Hebrew - you do not know Greek - what good will the Egyptian Coptic do you? Because I do Greek - I thought I would try to learn some Coptic years ago - all I could find at that time was - it is all 100% Egyptian based and in Farsi / Arabic This is why I asked you a long time ago to limit the discussion to: The Coptic Gnostic Library Project of the Institute for Antiquity and Christianity, Claremont Graduate School. The Coptic Gnostic Library Project (CGLP) was funded by UNESCO, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and other Institutions. But you keep posting Davies that reads like a satan novel Consistant mistake by you - or deliverate?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 4:38:16 GMT -5
Sorry Dave, keep your hair on.
You are right it doesn't matter what these rulers of darkness are called.
Thanks for showing me the other materials that the Rome edit didn't allow.
SHalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2021 10:21:21 GMT -5
You are right it doesn't matter what these rulers of darkness are called.
But it does matter who they are
You repeat - fight the good fight But you also - deny our real struggel and the Reality of the Archon Instead - you say - there are two gods at war with one another - and the greater god satan is so powerful that he alone forced God to alter all creation in response.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 14:05:22 GMT -5
D"Instead - you say - there are two gods at war with one another - and the greater god satan is so powerful that he alone forced God to alter all creation in response
R" In NSW, my Mum and my brother Pastor are in war with miltary, the archons of the deep state have declared war on the humans, and so the government seems stronger at the moment, taking away everything from NSW humans. We also need to remember during this conflict, that God is greater as a government power, than the one doing this dirty work.
Hab 1:1 ¶ The burden which Habakkuk the prophet did see. 2 O LORD, how long shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear! even cry out unto thee of violence, and thou wilt not save!
At the moment this dirty work of the deep sea state is upon my family.
Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. 6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
God raises up this deep sea state, this confusing Chaldean power, this bitter military machine, with helicopters, police banging on doors, greedy to force people to get jabbed with graphene oxide.
Hab 1:7 They are terrible and dreadful:
Absolutely the enemy, our own people, has become an enemy to our own...
Hab 1:8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.
This is exactly the same time the deep sea state gathers away to eat humans, when Jesus comes to rescue us...so who is in absolute control?
Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Same prophecy, same events, same deep sea state is eating humans when Jesus comes. Praise God for being in control.
Hab 1:9 They shall come all for violence:
Hab 1:10 And they shall scoff at the kings,
Nothing can stop this war on humans in NSW, indeed soon the whole of Australia will go into lockdown and war over our extermination.
Hab 1:11 Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.
This verse tells us that the deep sea state and the archon forces all impute their power unto eloah, who is some earthly father-god. There is only one religion that has this eloah father god, worshiped as god on earth, instead of the GOD in heaven. The police are pawns for this eloah king of earth, and all governments shall come under her power and do her will all over the earth.
Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
All the nations before are seen as metal kingdoms, Greece as the leopard, Persia as the bear, Babylon as the lion and the most highest and invisible power above all, is the dragon, who gives each kingdom their power, their seat and their great authority.
Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast
The whole world is forced to wonder after the dragon power, who gives power unto the beast. NSW is going into a global reset, and the one world order is being trialed in the Australian people first, to see how it will pan out.
Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
This one world order continues upon all the peoples of the world for 3 and half years.
Hab 1:12 ¶ Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment;
Yet GOD is in control, despite the archonic forces and the powers of the dragon. But for those who do not know the Lord, the average NSW Australian is in disarray, and needs to make a decision, to wake out of sleep and seek the Lord before it is too late.
Joe 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine;
Wake up NSW, wake up my family.
Joe 1:6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
Joe 1:12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth;
Where are the Christians with power from the Lord, where is the power of God in their prayers?
Joe 1:13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth,
DO they howl and prayer and mourn for the Lord?
Joe 1:14 ¶ Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD,
DO they declare a fast to pray for power from the Lord? No, they sit in their houses in lock down...
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Yet nothing is done about it.
Joe 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes,
You can't even go to the store to get anything, nothing in the store...
Joe 1:17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.
Soon the deep sea state will shut down the farmers and all the world will entry into chaos
Joe 1:18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture;
People everywhere without food, no cafe, no fun, can't even lie on the beaches any more.
Joe 1:19 O LORD, to thee will I cry:
For help or for as a last plea?
Joe 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children,
If only we would do this in NSW?
Joe 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD,
If only we would do this in NSW?
Joe 2:21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
Amazing prophecies upon us...
Joe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Soon young people will rise up and have visions, because the adults have lost hope... the young ones seek the Lord and praise His prophecies...
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
This has come upon the NSW people, the lockdown, the war, the deep state with come, has come, and do her dirty work of waking people up, especially the sleeping Christians of the Lord.
Hab 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil,
God does not look to behold RA
Hab 1:14 And makest men as the fishes of the sea,
Numerous are the millions of NSW fish in Australia, and where are the fishing men?
Hab 1:15 They take up all of them with the angle, they catch them in their net,
The drag net of the military drag police from door to door, get up and get jabbed or go to jail...
Hab 1:16 Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag;
The world burn incense to the COV19 thing, it is now a political thing, not some disease , but a dragnet..
Hab 2:1 ¶ I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.
Wait for the answer from the Lord?
Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry
Precious promise
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Oh how must we NSW Australians learn what amanuah is, and where we get this faith from GOD? How strange that this phrase is written once in this little prophetic book, in the former rains of the OT?
Hab 2:5 ¶ Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied,
The average man is full of wine doctrines already and proud of his own religion of self, he is a king of his own home, and his desire is as hell, and the death from the graphene oxide cannot be satisfied.
Hab 2:6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his!
Hab 2:7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?
Are the people of NSW just booties for the deep sea state? Yet they bite us, as the needles bite us and vex us and take our souls away?
Hab 2:8 Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee;
The COV19 police hast spoiled many nations, but soon the vaccinated remnant people will spoil deep state authorities/
Hab 2:8 because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.
Because of the violence the authorities have done to the people of NSW.
Hab 2:9 Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!
Woe to them that take the jab, that seek the easy way out of the mess, thinking we can be delivered from the power of RA so easily, through vaccination...
Hab 2:10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.
How can the Australian police do this to the Australian people, sinning against thy soul?
Hab 2:12 Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood,
Hab 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
How many of us see the LORD GOD sits in his heavenly temple looking down at us.... let the people of NSW keep silence before Him.
Hab 3:1 ¶ A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet Hab 3:2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, Hab 3:13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, Hab 3:15 Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, Hab 3:17 Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls: 18 Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.
God rode through the land, looking for the fig tree in fruit, the vine in fruit, the olive tree in olives, the fields of NSW people under grains seeking the Lord, and even the young calves in their paddocks....but what was saved was saved, and what could not be saved was not saved, yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will joy in the God of my salvation, Jesus. Shalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2021 19:41:34 GMT -5
D"Instead - you say - there are two gods at war with one another - and the greater god satan is so powerful that he alone forced God to alter all creation in response
R" In NSW, my Mum and my brother Pastor are in war with miltary, the archons of the deep state have declared war on the humans, and so the government seems stronger at the moment, taking away everything from NSW humans. We also need to remember during this conflict, that God is greater as a government power, than the one doing this dirty work.
It is obvious you are worried It is obvious you are more worried about the conspiracy than the virus Question – do you know anyone who had died – personally? 2 for my wife and about 10 for me – not friends just people whom I know or know of – through medicine All of them geriatric and all of them with other complications
American Frontline Drs recommendation Under 60 and healthy – No vaccine Over 60 with respiratory complication – recommended Over 70 – the short term risk is greater than a long term complication
I have my supply of irrvanpim - do you
Psa 23:4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me: Your rod and Your staff comfort me.
So – be honest with me – what is your real fear
Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
Think of the Christians being fed to lions in the Roman Colosseum I bet they would take the shot instead Or the Cathars that gladly threw themselves cheerfully into the fire
I think you think too small – if your government lifted all restrictions 1/3rd of your country would be unemployed and the shortages you see now would only get worse as the inflation grips your economy.
Since the 70s economies have relied on cheap China – it has come to an end – the world supply chains are all changing – rearranging – this take time
This has as much to do with the lockdown as the virus
At the moment this dirty work of the deep sea state is upon my family. So I ask you directly again – what does give Caesar his due have to do with a public protest?
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, God raises up this deep sea state, this confusing Chaldean power Just because you find a verse doesn’t mean it has anything to do with your topic The Chaldeans are Shite Muslim – what do Shite Muslim have to do with your current virus or lockdown?
Absolutely the enemy, our own people, has become an enemy to our own... Gen 3:15 man vrs man / man vrs WORLD / man vrs satan’s seed (archon)
So what does all this have to do with - there are two gods at war with one another - and the greater god satan is so powerful that he alone forced God to alter all creation in response
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 5:09:26 GMT -5
D" It is obvious you are worried
R" You need a vaccine passport to cross into NSW, so I can't go and see my Mum anymore.
D" I have my supply of irrvanpim - do you
R" No, I note you say many died from COV19, but I also know of one who died of COV19, but he didn't die of this, they lied on TV, Steve Turner died of a different problem, my wife knows the family well. To me from video of Dr Cameron Stile Stilene?? from Brooklyn NY, the disease is no virus, in fact it's no virus, but something else.
D"So – be honest with me – what is your real fear
That we have not witnessed to the world correctly, or given the world of people a chance to learn the truth. If you are in Jesus, there is no fear.
D"Just because you find a verse doesn’t mean it has anything to do with your topic
These books I quoted from are all about the end of time, the prophecies of the end times.
D"So what does all this have to do with - there are two gods at war with one another - and the greater god satan is so powerful that he alone forced God to alter all creation in response
R" Everything
1Pe 5:8 ¶ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (KJV)
Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (KJV)
Lu 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
You you say the word aggelos means messengers, and maybe it does, but its Greek for two Hebrew words, malak and cherub.
Gabriel is known in the Jewish world as an angel, or a cherub. Not just a messenger.
Thus the devil has angels too.
Of you believe in polysemy for aggelos?
Re 12:12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Notice the contrast, heaven and earth. The devil knows his time is short. God is going to end the SIN problem.
Shalom
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Aug 17, 2021 6:44:10 GMT -5
D" It is obvious you are worried R" You need a vaccine passport to cross into NSW, so I can't go and see my Mum anymore.
160BC the Jews were not even allowed to speak their own language 2 million Jews were murdered by the sword in 70AD 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust Perhaps you wish you lived as an Aborigine 150 ago
D" I have my supply of irrvanpim - do you R" No, So you have done nothing to prepare – for you or your family – aren’t you the father of your home?
I note you say many died from COV19, but I also know of one who died of COV19, but he didn't die of this, they lied on TV, Steve Turner died of a different problem, my wife knows the family well. To me from video of Dr Cameron Stile Stilene?? from Brooklyn NY, the disease is no virus, in fact it's no virus, but something else.
Correct Robert – 0 people have died from HIV – they always die of a complication the HIV allows to be more damaging Correct – most of the folk that died of covid may have died during the same time period Covid only allowed weakness of the body – so the complication could take them Would they have died right then and there without the covid weakness - NO
D"So – be honest with me – what is your real fear That we have not witnessed to the world correctly, or given the world of people a chance to learn the truth. If you are in Jesus, there is no fear.
Speak for yourself – Mr doubt SDA satan pusher!
Scripture tells me to be secure in my faith – to trust – Rom 8:28
D"Just because you find a verse doesn’t mean it has anything to do with your topic These books I quoted from are all about the end of time, the prophecies of the end times. The Chaldeans have nothing to do with your current situation Your current situation is the result of China’s death throws
Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: You argue that you do not understand the Left Hand in the creation of the Archon You went on and on and on – that you do not understand the Left hand
But you quote it as pertaining to the devil and his messengers when it suits you
You you say the word aggelos means messengers, and maybe it does, but its Greek for two Hebrew words, malak and cherub. Greek aggelos = 9 or 10 different types of angels Greek aggelos = many different types og archon Greek aggelos = many different types of “messengers”
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 14:29:31 GMT -5
D"The Chaldeans have nothing to do with your current situation
The Chaldeans are similes of Babylon, similes of powers of confusion, just as your forum is about pondering confusion.
Re 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Who owns and runs Babylon? The Chaldeans do.
Just as literal in Jeremiah time, so literally in our time. The powers behind the confusion are confusing you and deception is the name of the game. COV19 is a game of deception.
D" But you quote it as pertaining to the devil and his messengers when it suits you
R" Dave seriously up your game, you tell me too, since when does Gabriel be an undefined messenger? Is this Gabriel not an angel, written as aggelos. Doesn't the same term also apply to devil and his aggelos?
Or do you now suppose polysemy here, the term aggelos has different meaning in different sentences.? That is a great way to spoil Scripture and millions of scholars believe in polysemy...
"Polysemy occurs when a word form carries more than one meaning. English has a very large stock of word forms, so its lexicon is relatively free of polysemy compared with many languages".
Weird, Hebrew is a broad language, so many words have broad meanings, not polysemy.
"It is apparent that the presence of polysemous words in text materials is one source of comprehension difficulty. (Source, .pdf)
SO originally GOD's Hebrew would be pure without polysemy. Such spoiling has come in from the decay of language due to sinning problems, slang, invasions and other technologies needing word inventions.
D"Greek aggelos = 9 or 10 different types of angels Greek aggelos = many different types og archon Greek aggelos = many different types of “messengers”
R" so you post polysemy without explaining where such polysemy came from or exists... just seems like Dave is playing game with languages, just as you accuse me also ?
Seriously Dave, does Hebrew have polysemy or not? The kione Greek is a translation Greek, not the local spoken Greek, Greek people did in those days? Hmmm? Am I right/ wrong? Bit like pidgin English, a method used to convert Hebrew to a language people could read, hence kione Greek. Did kione Greek have polysemy? Hmm? to me, no. Not a locally spoken language, at first.
"Koine Greek Greek: Ελληνιστική Κοινή, romanized: Ellinistikí Kiní, lit. 'Common Greek', [elinistiˈci ciˈni]), also known as Alexandrian dialect, common Attic, Hellenistic or Biblical Greek, was the common supra-regional form of Greek spoken and written during the Hellenistic period, the Roman Empire and the early Byzantine Empire. It evolved from the spread of Greek following the conquests of Alexander
Seem like pidgin English, a dialect to help people speak , like a trade language. Might have become a local language in time... but not from it's invention. Kione Greek would have begun pure and without much or little polysemy.
But Dave freely admits aggelos has different meaning for different sentences. Than my friend it is impossible to read Kione Greek in the NT, without bias.
I try to read Greek from Hebrew links, ie the Greek is a translation of Hebrew.
Isa 28:11 For with ... another tongue will he speak to this people.
See? Prophecy, the Hebrew goes out in another tongue.
This make this NT more readable and aligns to the OT rains.
But if you read the Greek as Greek, you make your own bias, because you read polysemy in your ideas.
Shalom
|
|