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Post by Dave on Jun 14, 2021 10:26:18 GMT -5
Word study H3629 – as used by King David, Jerimiah, King Solomon, and the author of Job
H3629 – כִּלְיָה - Feminine of H3627 (only in the plural); a kidney (as an essential organ); figuratively the mind (as the interior self): - kidneys, reins.
H3627 – כְּלִי - From H3615; something prepared, that is, any apparatus (as an implement, utensil, dress, vessel or weapon): - armour ([-bearer]), artillery, bag, carriage, + furnish, furniture, instrument, jewel, that is made of, X one from another, that which pertaineth, pot, + psaltery, sack, stuff, thing, tool, vessel, ware, weapon, + whatsoever.
H3615 – כָּלָה - A primitive root; to end, whether intransitively (to cease, be finished, perish) or transitively (to complete, prepare, consume): - accomplish, cease, consume (away), determine, destroy (utterly), be (when . . . were) done, (be an) end (of), expire, (cause to) fail, faint, finish, fulfil, X fully, X have, leave (off), long, bring to pass, wholly reap, make clean riddance, spend, quite take away, waste.
Psa 139:13 (TLV) For You have created my conscience. You knit me together in my mother’s womb. Psa 139:13 (ASV) For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother's womb. Psa 139:13 (KJV) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Conscience – inward parts - reins
Psa 73:21 When my heart was embittered and I was pierced in my heart, Psa 26:2 Probe me, Adonai, and test me, refine my mind and my heart. Psa 16:7 I will bless Adonai, who counsels me. Even at night my heart instructs me.
Conscious – inward parts – reins – heart - (as an essential organ) - mind (as the interior self) - something prepared, that is, any apparatus (as an implement, utensil, jewel, stuff, thing tool)
But Word study H3629 – as used by Moses – and Isaiah
Exo 29:13 (TLV)Also take all the fat that covers the innards, the lobe above the liver, the two kidneys, along with the fat that is on them, and burn them on the altar. Exo 29:13 (KJV) And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar.
Exo 29:22 “Moreover, take some of the fat from the ram, along with the fat tail, the fat that covers the innards, the covering over the liver, the two kidneys and the fat that is on them, along with the right thigh, because it is a ram of consecration.
Lev 3:4 as well as the two kidneys and the fat that is on them which is by the loins, plus the cover on the liver that he must remove with the kidneys.
Lev 3:10 as well as the two kidneys and the fat that is over them which is by the loins, plus the cover on the liver that he is to remove with the kidneys.
Deu 32:14 Butter of cattle and milk of a flock, with fat of lambs, rams of the Bashan and he-goats, with fat of the kidneys of wheat, and blood of grapes you drank.
kidneys
Questions – 1- if there is no polysemy – why do different ahl authors use the word differently 2- is your conscious and organ within your body that can be removed from your body as a separate thing 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it 4- if Moses wrote Job – why doesn’t it mean kidneys?
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Post by Dillon on Jun 17, 2021 9:31:22 GMT -5
1- if there is no polysemy – why do different ahl authors use the word differently 4- if Moses wrote Job – why doesn’t it mean kidneys?
I have listened to you talk about authorship before, but this is a really good example. Is this why people question Paul writing Hebrews?
2- is your conscious and organ within your body that can be removed from your body as a separate thing 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it
Psa 139:13 (KJV) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
My Reins? I never understood this until now. The reins are the handlebars that turn you right or left. Just as my conscious keeps me on the path. My body wants to turn left, but inside my conscious knows better and offers direction. Do I listen to my conscious or not?
If Robert wants to say that conscious just means you are awake, then it is my sub-conscious that knows better and offers direction.
Conscious – inward parts – reins – heart - (as an essential organ) The real me. Who came from God and was matted with this vehicle called flesh to souljourn through the world
Cows have two stomachs, some camels have two humps, some rihnos have two horns, but they all have only one mind. Man has a mind and a conscious. Man is conscious with a sub-conscious that harbors our guilt when we are wrong.
Remove this essential organ called conscious from me and it is still just me released from my vehicle of flesh. But of all the organs of my body, this essential organ cannot be found on an x-ray because it is not matter, it is spirit. Within my vehicle of flesh it is called a soul. Released from my body it does not linger on earth as a ghost, it returns to God.
Astro-projections, out of body experiences, near death experiences, Shirley McClaine, The Akashic record, spiritual visions, spiritual trips into heaven, spiritual trips across time to see the end is all spirit, is all not of this world.
Robert, your belief that the heavens are just filled with more animals cannot be genuine. God and the angels are not animals. There is no way your church ever taught you this. If you church does teach this, then you know why I have not been in a church for a long time.
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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2021 11:18:45 GMT -5
Did Paul write Hebrews?
John writes short sentences. John is easy Greek. John uses more common words. 1st year Greek
Luke was a physician. His word choices are more complicated than John's - more compound words and verbs 2nd year Greek
Paul is Mr run on sentence guy and it just never stops,and goes on and on and then he talks of more than one person at a time, but then uses an endless list of peronouns, and many verses later the translater is playing he said she said, I mean after all, he said that he went to the store is a complicated with there are two different hes in a paragraph, and you wonder, is it he#1 that went to the store, or did he#1 say that he#2 went to the store?
This is more about style of writting - which also include word choices
Paul is hard to translate - 2nd Cor will make a student want to give up
YES - your soul is an essential organ within us that makes man different that the other animals No - it is not biology and you cannot find it on an x-ray (I like it) Yes - it came from God - Gen 2:7 at conception - and flesh is the vechile - and we will return to God Agree agree agree
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Post by Dillon on Jun 26, 2021 23:20:10 GMT -5
Biblical translation was further complicated by the loss of context. The original writers of the Bible would not have explained things that they and their audience would have simply understood. As such, translation was more difficult because there was no real way for translators to tell how a phrase was meant to be understood. One of the classic examples is the story of Tamar. This woman is often seen today as a prostitute or a temptress when in reality she was following ancient law. To make matters worse, translators were often translating a translation, such as in the case of the Septuagint.
The incredible complexity of Biblical translation has led to some common Biblical terms being divorced from their original meaning. Here are six Biblical terms that do not mean what people think they do. Forty The number 40 shows up repeatedly in the Bible. Christ was in the desert for 40 days. The Israelites waited to enter the Promised Land for 40 years. Jewish kings are noted as ruling for 40 years. This repeated number is often taken at face value by Christians. Lent, for example, is 40 days long in memory of Jesus’ time in the desert. The number 40, however, does not actually mean 40 in the Bible. In ancient Hebrew, the number 40 was used as a stand-in for “many.” So, Jesus was in the desert for many days. It can also be used to represent a generation. The number 40, then, is less a specific quantity in the Bible but used more like the modern words “forever,” “an age” or “a gazillion.” No one has been waiting in a coffee shop for the literal definition of forever, and no friend is literally taking “an age” to get ready. These words are simply understood to represent a long time in place of a more accurate number. Feet
Though no one likes to tell children this in Sunday school, the Bible actually contains quite a bit of sexual innuendo. One of the most common innuendos hidden throughout Scripture is the repeated use of the word “feet.” In ancient times, “feet” did not just refer to the appendages at the end of a person’s legs. It was also ancient slang for a person’s genitals. Rather like people today describe a person’s “junk.” As such, when Ezekiel says that the Seraphim covered their faces and feet, he does not mean that one set of wings was used to shield the Seraphim’s lower legs. Similarly, Zipporah probably did not touch her son’s foreskin to Moses’ toes. Being able to read the innuendo into such passages certainly evokes a different scene in a person’s head.
Familial Relationship Terms Familial relationship terms are everywhere in the Bible. Jesus refers to some of His Apostles as His “brothers,” and there are numerous verses where people refer to those who are not kin as brother, sister or father. The many uses of familial relationship terms do not meant that everyone in the Bible is related by blood. Terms such as sister or father were used in some cases to denote the balance of power between two people. A father, obviously, would be a person who as in charge. A sister, meanwhile, would be a woman who was to be treated as an equal by the man. This is why the romantic Song of Solomon refers to the woman in the song as “my sister, my bride.” The writer is not promoting incest. They are saying that their bride is their equal.
Angel Most people have slightly different visions of what an angel actually is, but most agree that an angel is some sort of unique heavenly being. What most forget is that “angel” is not a race of heavenly beings, a denotation of salvation or a title. It is a job description.
The Hebrew word most commonly translated as “angel” is malak, which means “messenger.” The modern English term “angel” is a bastardized combination of the Old English engel and the Old French angele. Both these words came from the Latin angelus, meaning “messenger,” which carries the same meaning as the Late Greek term aggelos or angelos and the original Hebrew. Why modern English translators left “angel” in the Bible instead of the correct “messenger” is a mystery especially when the correct meaning for the word survived so long. Satan If you ask just about any Christian what the word “Satan” is, they will tell you that it is the name of the Devil. Those who are fans of Milton’s “Paradise Lost” will say that Satan is the name of Lucifer after he fell from heaven. Ironically, this Christian truth has a somewhat shaky foundation in Scripture.
Satan is often used as a proper name in Christianity today, but it is actually a descriptor or a title. In the ancient Hebrew versions of the Old Testament, there are repeated appearances of figures called satan or sometimes ha satan. These words mean, respectively, “an adversary” and “the adversary.” The figures do not always act like the Devil that Christians envision. The various figures alternately test, torment and spare various righteous people. Depending on how satan acts in each story, modern translations refer to the character in a variety of ways. The Hebrew ha satan is translated as “the Enemy,” “Satan” and, in one notable case in Numbers, “an angel of the Lord.” The word satan is also used to describe human enemies such as Hadad the Edomite.
The use of the word “satan” gets a bit more complicated in the New Testament due to how many different languages the ancient texts were written in. Sometimes “satan” is used as a proper name, but other times the tradition of the Old Testament continues, and the word is used more as a descriptor than a name.
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2021 3:50:38 GMT -5
D" I have asked you over and over to study Hebrew word H3629 You won’t like the result – so you refuseJeff Benner says this word means "kidney" Ps 7:9 God trieth the hearts and reins. A simile, referring to the person, what is stored in you Ps 26:2 Same idea. Jer 17:10 Same idea SO Dave, what is your presentation of this word? Word study H3629 – as used by King David, Jerimiah, King Solomon, and the author of JobPsa 139:13 (TLV) For You have created my conscience. You knit me together in my mother’s womb. Psa 139:13 (ASV) For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother's womb. Psa 139:13 (KJV) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. Conscience – inward parts - reinsPsa 73:21 When my heart was embittered and I was pierced in my heart, Psa 26:2 Probe me, Adonai, and test me, refine my mind and my heart. Psa 16:7 I will bless Adonai, who counsels me. Even at night my heart instructs me. Conscious – inward parts – reins – heart - (as an essential organ) - mind (as the interior self) - something prepared, that is, any apparatus (as an implement, utensil, jewel, stuff, thing tool)But Word study H3629 – as used by Moses – and IsaiahkidneysQuestions – Robert – you insist that Hebrew words have zero polysemy1- if there is no polysemy – why do different ahl authors use the word differently? Kidneys are an organ that can be removed from your body 2- is your conscious an organ within your body that can be removed from your body as a separate thing? You deny the spirit 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it Authorship 4- if Moses wrote Job – why doesn’t it mean kidneys? Question - Kidneys are an organ that can be removed from your body If your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it Answer – the mind is of the biological brain, it is the home of thought, reason, intellect, and knowledge - (yester ra)And your soul = the you that is inside = conscious – the part of you that knows better - (yester tov)Reins … typically used to guide or check an animal (horse) while riding or driving.Thus explaining the Jewish joke: WOW Bill how did you know that? And Bill points to his head and says – Because I have kidneys!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:22:45 GMT -5
Dave if you wish to develop a presentation, than develop it some more, because I do not follow your logic. I have heard in organ transplant, ie lungs, heart, kidneys, the recipient can take on the memories, emotions and feelings of the donor. In other words it seems every living cell, has memories of who you are. I suspect the DNA is a huge recording system of you, your character, your emotions, etc. But you need to present your presentation. I am sure I will like it Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2021 15:15:59 GMT -5
I asked you several questions I do not see your answers anywhere See how you play your game - avoid / evade / change the subject
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 4:49:59 GMT -5
OK sorry
D'1- if there is no polysemy – why do different ahl authors use the word differently?
R" Hmm? It is hard to read modern hebrew Dave, all language decay over time, so yes the younger bible books have polysemy. But the three letter words, ie ancient Hebrew, should be pure. (perfect) from Edenic times.
Jeff benner battles with this idea, but does not go there, whereas I do. I am not limited to please scholars, but Jeff is forced to please them too.
H3629 "Palms Authority Active Hands. Behold the Person!"
4 letters.
From 3 letter word "Palms Authority Active Hands" H3627 meaning "vessel" used hundreds of times.
This word means "kidney" according to Jeff.
No need for KJV to use "reins", when "kidneys" is just fine.
There is no example of polysemy with this word, for all 26 verses.
D"Kidneys are an organ that can be removed from your body 2- is your conscious an organ within your body that can be removed from your body as a separate thing?
R" Not sure? What Hebrew word is conscious?
Ps 26:2 Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.
Seems like the brain is a simile of the heart, and the kidney a simile of the heart. For our modern view. The ancients had different views.
No mention of the kidneys removed associated with conscious?
D"You deny the spirit 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it
Jeff calls the kidney a Hebrew seat for emotions, not some spirit thing. Show me your verses Dave.
D"Authorship 4- if Moses wrote Job – why doesn’t it mean kidneys?
R? What?
Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked. 12 I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark. 13 His archers compass me round about, he cleaveth my reins "kidneys" asunder, and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground. 14 He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant. 15 I have sewed sackcloth upon my skin, and defiled my horn in the dust. 16 My face is foul with weeping, and on my eyelids is the shadow of death;
Job 16:13 (RSV) his archers surround me. He slashes open my kidneys, and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground.
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins "kidneys *" be consumed within me. (* footnote" The kidneys are considered the seat of our emotions)
I see your problem. A foot note explaining things could be useful.
D" See how you play your game - avoid / evade / change the subject R" Not my intention, so now where is your presentation?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2021 12:46:53 GMT -5
Point #1 - there is polysemy with hebrew words - just as with all languages
D"Kidneys are an organ that can be removed from your body 2- is your conscious an organ within your body that can be removed from your body as a separate thing?
R" Not sure? What Hebrew word is conscious? Why not – you are the Hebrew expert H3629 – כִּלְיָה - Feminine of H3627 (only in the plural); a kidney H3627 – כְּלִי - From H3615; something prepared
Psa_139:13 (TLV) For You have created my conscience. Ps 26:2 Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart. Reins … typically used to guide or check an animal (horse) while riding or driving.
A Kidney can be removed from your body as a thing D"You deny the spirit 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it
D" See how you play your game - avoid / evade / change the subject R" Not my intention, so now where is your presentation? This is the 9th post in my presentation
G4893 – συνείδησις -From a prolonged form of G4894; co-perception, that is, moral consciousness: - conscience. G4894 – συνείδω - From G4862 and G1492; to see completely;
Act_23:1 Paul, looking intently at the Sanhedrin, said, “Brothers, I have lived my life in all good conscience for God up to this day.” Act_24:16 Therefore I do my best always to have a clear conscience before both God and men. Rom_2:15 They show that the work of the Torah is written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts switching between accusing or defending them Rom_9:1 I tell the truth in Messiah—I do not lie, my conscience assuring me in the Ruach ha-Kodesh— Rom_13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in submission—not only because of punishment but also because of conscience. 1Co_8:7 But that knowledge is not in everyone—some, so accustomed to idols up until now, eat food as an idol sacrifice; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 1Co_8:10 For suppose someone sees you—who have this knowledge—dining in an idol’s temple. If his conscience is weak, won’t he be emboldened to eat idol sacrifices? 1Co_8:12 In this way, when you sin against the brothers and sisters and wound their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Messiah. 1Co_10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, without raising questions of conscience. 1Co_10:27 If an unbeliever invites you over and you want to go, eat whatever is set before you, without raising questions of conscience. 1Co_10:28 But if anyone says to you, “This is from an idol sacrifice,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience— 1Co_10:29 not your own conscience, I mean, but the other person’s. For why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? 2Co_1:12 For our reason for boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience, that we behaved in the world, and most especially toward you, with simplicity and godly sincerity—not by human wisdom but by the grace of God. 2Co_4:2 Instead, we renounced the hidden shameful ways—not walking in deception or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone’s conscience by the open proclamation of the truth. 1Ti_1:5 Now the goal of this command is love from of a pure heart and a clear conscience and a genuine faith. 1Ti_1:19 holding onto faith and a good conscience. By rejecting these, some have suffered shipwreck regarding their faith. 1Ti_3:9 They must keep hold of the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 1Ti_4:2 through the hypocrisy of false speakers—whose own conscience has been seared. 2Ti_1:3 I thank God, whom I serve with a clear conscience as my forefathers did, when I continually remember you in my prayers night and day. Tit_1:15 To the pure all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Both their mind and conscience are defiled. Heb_9:9 It is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly, gifts and sacrifices are being offered that cannot make the worshiper perfect with respect to conscience. Heb_9:14 how much more will the blood of Messiah—who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God—cleanse our conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb_10:22 So let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and body washed with pure water. Heb_13:18 Pray for us, for we are convinced that we have a clear conscience, desiring to conduct ourselves honorably in all things. 1Pe_2:19 For this finds favor if, for the sake of conscience toward God, someone endures grief from suffering undeservedly. 1Pe_3:16 yet with humility and reverence—keeping a clear conscience so that, whatever you are accused of, those who abuse you for your good conduct in Messiah may be put to shame. 1Pe_3:21 Corresponding to that, immersion now brings you to safety—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but a pledge to God of a good conscience—through the resurrection of Messiah Yeshua.
A Kidney can be removed from your body as a thing D"You deny the spirit 3- if your conscious can be removed from your body as a separate thing – what is it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 13:38:17 GMT -5
Psa_139:13 (TLV) For You have created my conscience
Ps 139:13 For thou hast possessed <qanah> my reins <kilyah>: (KJV)
How does qanah become bara? created? and kilyah become conscience?
Ps 139:13 For thou hast possessed <qanah> my kidneys <kilyah>:
Dave quotes the Greek word G4893 as conscience.
Jeff Benner shows Grk#:4893 / soon-i-day-sis (noun): Conscience Freq:&32 Heb#:4093 מדע / ma-da (noun): Insight—An intimacy with a person, idea or concept.
2Ch 1:10 Give me now wisdom and knowledge (conscience), Ec 10:20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought (conscience); Da 1:17 ¶ As for these four children, God gave them knowledge (conscience)and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Dave if this is your 9th presentation, it's not much discussion from you? You post a pile of verses? So?
I have my doubts on Jeff with this Hebrew word madda?
I remember reading His living words, a word where the Israel person mutters to himself, is more like conscience?
madda seems like science knowledge to me.
SO your presentation is presenting what? Your discussion is about what?
What is clear to me is Enoch walked right into heaven in his body.... and YHWH came down to get the body of Moses and bring it back to heaven.... do you deny these verses also Dave?
And Jesus has the same biological body with scars on his hands in heaven, the only permanent memorial of RA and thus SIN for eternity, on his body. Go figure.
If this is not an eternal sacrifice, than the law of GOD can be nullified. Life for life, is something eternal. The consequences of sin is eternal, the mischief wrought is very serious.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2021 14:14:23 GMT -5
The question to you is - can you take your conscious out like you can take out a kideny? If you do - what is it called I have asked this question sereral time in this thread - and your response is SO your presentation is presenting what? Your discussion is about what?
Our biological brain is the seat of the mind and consciousness – thought / thinking – seat of (yester ra)
Our conscious – is not biology - is the inner man that knows better – the Home of (yester tov) Our Conscious – is not biology - is the inner man that once was in heaven with God / communed with God in the womb
If you could take your conscious out a look at it – it would be the real man / the inner man / the spirit / the soul But you must deny this very basic Christian principle – salvation of the soul
What is clear to me is Enoch walked right into heaven in his body.... The Second book of Enoch – Secretes of Enoch – Salvic Enoch Chapter 22 4 And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: 5 'Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.' 6 And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face. 7 And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: 'Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity,' and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: 'Let Enoch go according to Thy word.' 8 And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory.' 9 And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun's ray, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones. And Jesus has the same biological body with scars on his hands in heaven, the only permanent memorial of RA and thus SIN for eternity, on his body. Go figure.
The consequences of sin is eternal, the mischief wrought is very serious. So you and the SDA deny REPENTENCE and a DIVINE PARDON or Salvation through Christ You version of Christianity is so flexible and changes with each post Please pick one theology and stick with it
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Post by Dillon on Aug 5, 2021 11:39:18 GMT -5
The soul is the 'driver' in the body. It is the roohu or spirit or atma, the presence of which makes the physical body alive. Many religious and philosophical traditions support the view that the soul is the ethereal substance – a spirit; a non-material spark – particular to a unique living being.
Roohu, Islamic, The individual soul or essence. Spirit, Judeo Christian, the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. "we seek a harmony between body and spirit" Atma, Hindu, The individual soul or essence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 13:41:56 GMT -5
D" The consequences of sin is eternal, the mischief wrought is very serious.So you and the SDA deny REPENTENCE and a DIVINE PARDON or Salvation through Christ You version of Christianity is so flexible and changes with each post Please pick one theology and stick with itR" Dave I do not deny the repentance and divine pardon or the salvation process through Jesus Christ. Neither is our version of Christianity unstable, neither does it change. You just do not understand the reading of my words and jump to false reasoning's. If you are interested in how salvation works, this being a major theme of mine, see here: spiritualsprings.org/ss-11.htmGreetings Dillon, your post is interesting. Thank you for posting your thoughts.Dave asked a question" can you take your conscious out like you can take out a kidney?That depends what is the conscience? Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, The Hebrew does not write the conscience, here, but the NT does. Ro 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; The conscience talks to us. Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, The conscience talks to us. The conscience convicts the soul of your sins. Ac 23:1 ¶ And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God The conscience is the part of God living in us, that our souls listen to, bear witness to, and allows GOD to talk to us directly as a still small voice. Ro 9:1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, The conscience is the medium through which GOD speaks to us, administrated by the HS, who lives in all humans. 1Co 8:7 their conscience being weak is defiled. Wicked or sinning people can weaken the communication process of God inside them, through willful sinning. Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Many try to be good using their own works, but this is called dead works however pious it is. Instead we should allow the voice of God through the conscience to empower God's power in us to work God's works in us, to His glory. Dave asks can the conscience be removed from the body? I don't think so. Not sure where this communication centre is even located? I can only present the verses and we study from there. We should not extrapolate to dubious theories beyond what the Scriptures say. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2021 17:25:25 GMT -5
D"The consequences of sin is eternal, the mischief wrought is very serious. So you and the SDA deny REPENTENCE and a DIVINE PARDON or Salvation through Christ You version of Christianity is so flexible and changes with each post Please pick one theology and stick with it
R" Dave I do not deny the repentance and divine pardon or the salvation process through Jesus Christ. Then why do you speak in absolutes that you have to back track from and justify?
Neither is our version of Christianity unstable, neither does it change. You have argued on multiple sides of every argument – it is hard to tell what you believe after all this time – except the Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels You post things - then claim you don't support what you posted
The Hebrew does not write the conscience, here, but the NT does. So all of your sola scriptoria is in error using the word REINS?
The conscience talks to us. = (yester tov)
The conscience talks to us. The conscience convicts the soul of your sins. (yester tov) convicts the body from listening to its WORLDLY (yester ra)
Dave asks can the conscience be removed from the body? I don't think so. Of course you say this – because you deny the spirit
D" So there is no such thing as man – we are all just little pieces of the HS R" How do you get so twisted up? You claim – man is not an independed being – an independent spirit – an independent soul You absolutely deny this – you say man is just biology, that is driven around by the HS, and when we die, man does not go to heaven, only your memories are taken to heaven by the HS
The conscience is the medium through which GOD speaks to us, administrated by the HS, who lives in all humans When I ask you why your HS does so much sinning – and will your HS be cast into the Lake of Fire – or does your HS have to repent at some time? – you had no answer
I say – every Trinitarian says God = Christ / scripture says Christ = God And the HS is the Spirit of God
The conscience is the part of God living in us, You say – we are all gods – everyone of us is just driven around by God himself – we are robots Now I’ll I ask you why your god does so much sinning – and will your god be cast into the Lake of Fire – or does your god have to repent at some time?
What is this type of religion called
(Google) What does the Christian Science Monitor believe? christian science monitor we are all gods The Monitor's global approach is reflected in how founder Mary Baker Eddy described its object as "To injure no man, but to bless all mankind." Our aim is to embrace the human family, shedding light with the conviction that we are all gods, and together we collectively form the One True God.
Because it sure is not a Christian belief
1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 17:51:17 GMT -5
D"So all of your sola scriptoria is in error using the word REINS? R" Dave the word in Hebrew is correct. Are you saying the KJV is allowed to absolutely state the exact meanings of Hebrew words perfectly every time?
I am saying the English word they chose is fuzzy. The word is kidney. But Hebrew words are broad used in contexts differently, so the KJV add other English words with reason.
For example iyshish means woman, but often KJV uses wife. Nothing wrong with that idea.
What does REINS mean to you anyhow Dave?
D" You claim – man is not an independed being – an independent spirit – an independent soul You absolutely deny this R" What does independent being, an independent spirit – an independent soul, mean to you Dave?
Nothing is technically independent. Why even the atom is dependent upon GOD for its spin. We are independent in the sense to make choices. Even the choice to sin is not independent Dave.
Before sin entered everything was sinless and perfect, no RA anywhere.
One tree.
Than a being decides to miss God, miss the one tree. What does GOD have to do? Create the RA so the sin is seen by the person. SO nothing is independent of GOD.
Even our living depends upon GOD.
Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
This verse describes the answer you seek.
Man chooses a direction, and GOD does the steps you seek.
D" you say man is just... R" Well Dave what do you say? That man has some eternal spirit, yet is able to be quenched to death in the Lake of FIre? Able to speak outside the body? Does your theory make sense? no, not to me. Or scripture.
D" When I ask you why your HS does so much sinning R" Are you dull? you call me 8th grade science?
A medium does not do sinning Dave, the person in the medium does.
When you look into the magnifying glass (medium) and see virtual sins magnified, who does the sin, the glass or the person holding the glass? Duh...
The light only allow the sinner to see his sinning.
D"The conscience is the part of God living in us, You say – we are all gods – R" Can you quote me correctly at all Dave?
The conscience is a communication channel administrated by the HS, so GOD can communicate to mankind. Now how is this sentence what you posted about me? Nothing.
Jews challenged Jesus who said we stone you for claiming to be God...
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Sometimes Dave, I do not understand what you are presenting? Shalom
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