Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2021 11:02:58 GMT -5
The Greek suggests a Hebrew construct state, two nouns side by side, elohiym ruwach.
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
But what do we do with Elohiym Ruwach ?
Dear Robert – the answer is simply – Learn to translate
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
Why? Is this true Robert – can you explain why this is true
Gen 1:2 ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος.
καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ
πνεῦμα = Case: Nominative (subject of the verb G2018 επεφερετο), Number: Singular
θεοῦ - what case is Theou written in
nom. θεός θεοί
gen. θεοῦ θεῶν
dat. θεῷ θεοῖς
acc. θεόν θεύς
voc. θεέ θεοί
θεοῦ = Genative singular = The genitive case denotes source or origin (this function is also called the ablative), or kind or possession. It is also often used for an object of a preposition. It is frequently translated as "of ...".
Koine Greek/4. Introduction to Nouns - Wikibooks, open books ...
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
πνεῦμα θεοῦ translated as Spirit OF God = Correct – it is all in the grammar
But what do we do with Elohim Ruwach ?
(KJV) H7307 search = 348 verses found, 378 matches
NEVER DOES IT EXIST AS Elohim Ruwach
Therefore there is no way to answer your imaginary question
Joh 4:24 God <theos> {is} a Spirit <pneuma>:
The Greek suggests a Hebrew construct state, two nouns side by side, elohiym ruwach.
Where do you get this?
First you make a bad translation – because you cannot translate – then you make a word game out of it
You paraphrase scripture into your own words – words you need to support a man-made doctrine
Joh 4:24 God <theos> {is} a Spirit <pneuma>:
The Greek suggests a Hebrew construct state, two nouns side by side, elohiym ruwach.
Sorry Robert - the Greek says God is spirit - learn to translate
Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός, καὶ ……..
In Greek the word –καὶ- = and, a comjunction – meaning -πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός,- stands alone – thus the comma
How does this translate
Step 1 – what case are the nouns written in
Answer – both = nominative
Step 2 – nominative = the subject of a sentence
Confusion – I have two nouns serving as one subject
Step 3 – what is the relationship of two nominative nous as subject –in Greek, Hebrew, or English?
Answer =
(google) nt greek predicate nominative
About 542,000 results (0.68 seconds)
Lesson 4 - New Testament Greekhttp://ntgreek.net › lesson14
Attributive & Predicate Positions — In Greek as in English, a linking verb takes a Predicate Nominative or a Predicate Adjective.
People also ask
What is a predicate nominative in Greek?
A predicate nominative (also called a predicate noun) is a word or group of words that completes a linking verb and renames the subject. A predicate nominative is always a noun or a pronoun.
Predicate Nominative | What Is a Predicate Nominative?
Linking verbs are the conjugations of be.
I am Dave – the linking verb is an (=) sign
He is Bill / Bill is he – Dave = me / me = Dave
So - πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός,- stands alone – thus the comma = Spirit = God / or God = Spirit
BUT WAIT – there is not verb written in the Greek
Correct, in Greek it is often implied , as it is here
Notice the KJV implies the verb ‘is’
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:
And there is no ‘a’ in the Greek either – should just be God is Spirit
The other correctly grammatical argument = Predicate Adjective.
Correct – this could also be a text book translation
What would it look like
In English it looks like –
The plumber, Bill, fixed my sink
My teacher, Mrs. Miller, taught me
The Greek translation would be
Joh 4:24 God, Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
Joh 4:24 Spirit, God, and those who worship Him
99.99% of Greek Translator would fall back on
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him in spirit and truth
Only because it rolls of the tongue in English better
D" You are the only guy I ever met claiming to be a Christian that preaches that God is not allowed
R " OK explain to me how the Father can tolerate sinning sinners without destroying the sinner by the brightness of the Father's sinless presence?
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Answer the question please?
A Time for Everything
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven:
Ecc 3:2 a time to give birth and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted;
Ecc 3:3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build up;
Ecc 3:4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance;
Ecc 3:5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather stones, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
Ecc 3:6 a time to seek and a time to lose, a time to keep and a time to discard;
Ecc 3:7 a time to tear apart and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak;
Ecc 3:8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
The God-Given Task
Ecc 3:9 What gain, then, does the laborer get with his toil?
Ecc 3:10 I have seen the task that God has given to the children of men to keep them occupied.
Ecc 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Moreover, He has set eternity in their heart—yet without the possibility that humankind can ever discover the work that God has done from the beginning to the end.
The Book of Enoch
LXV:1 "And Enoch answered all his people saying: 'Hear, my children, before that all creatures were created, the Lord created the visible and invisible things."
LXV:2 "And as much time as there was and went past, understand that after all he created man in the likeness of his own from, and put into him eyes to see, and ears to hear, and hearts to reflect, and intellect wherewith to deliberate."
LXV:3 "And the Lord saw all man's works, and created all his creatures, and divided time, from time he fixed the years, and from the years he appointed the months, and from the months he appointed the days, and of the days he appointed seven."
LXV:4 "And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation."
LVX:5 "When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, then every man goes to the great judgment, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thenceforward there will be neither months or days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted."
LVX:6 "Therefore will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord's great judgment, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst then neither labor, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor violence, nor night, nor darkness, but great light."
LVX:7 "And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life."
So - The fluid and relative time of Einstein's physics became incrementalized so - man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life –
Why
2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some consider slowness. Rather, He is being patient toward you—not wanting anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
R " OK explain to me how the Father can tolerate sinning
God is love remember – it is your doctrine that God is tov only
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
But what do we do with Elohiym Ruwach ?
Dear Robert – the answer is simply – Learn to translate
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
Why? Is this true Robert – can you explain why this is true
Gen 1:2 ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος.
καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ
πνεῦμα = Case: Nominative (subject of the verb G2018 επεφερετο), Number: Singular
θεοῦ - what case is Theou written in
nom. θεός θεοί
gen. θεοῦ θεῶν
dat. θεῷ θεοῖς
acc. θεόν θεύς
voc. θεέ θεοί
θεοῦ = Genative singular = The genitive case denotes source or origin (this function is also called the ablative), or kind or possession. It is also often used for an object of a preposition. It is frequently translated as "of ...".
Koine Greek/4. Introduction to Nouns - Wikibooks, open books ...
Ruwach Elohiym is translated as "spirit of God"
πνεῦμα θεοῦ translated as Spirit OF God = Correct – it is all in the grammar
But what do we do with Elohim Ruwach ?
(KJV) H7307 search = 348 verses found, 378 matches
NEVER DOES IT EXIST AS Elohim Ruwach
Therefore there is no way to answer your imaginary question
Joh 4:24 God <theos> {is} a Spirit <pneuma>:
The Greek suggests a Hebrew construct state, two nouns side by side, elohiym ruwach.
Where do you get this?
First you make a bad translation – because you cannot translate – then you make a word game out of it
You paraphrase scripture into your own words – words you need to support a man-made doctrine
Joh 4:24 God <theos> {is} a Spirit <pneuma>:
The Greek suggests a Hebrew construct state, two nouns side by side, elohiym ruwach.
Sorry Robert - the Greek says God is spirit - learn to translate
Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός, καὶ ……..
In Greek the word –καὶ- = and, a comjunction – meaning -πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός,- stands alone – thus the comma
How does this translate
Step 1 – what case are the nouns written in
Answer – both = nominative
Step 2 – nominative = the subject of a sentence
Confusion – I have two nouns serving as one subject
Step 3 – what is the relationship of two nominative nous as subject –in Greek, Hebrew, or English?
Answer =
(google) nt greek predicate nominative
About 542,000 results (0.68 seconds)
Lesson 4 - New Testament Greekhttp://ntgreek.net › lesson14
Attributive & Predicate Positions — In Greek as in English, a linking verb takes a Predicate Nominative or a Predicate Adjective.
People also ask
What is a predicate nominative in Greek?
A predicate nominative (also called a predicate noun) is a word or group of words that completes a linking verb and renames the subject. A predicate nominative is always a noun or a pronoun.
Predicate Nominative | What Is a Predicate Nominative?
Linking verbs are the conjugations of be.
I am Dave – the linking verb is an (=) sign
He is Bill / Bill is he – Dave = me / me = Dave
So - πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός,- stands alone – thus the comma = Spirit = God / or God = Spirit
BUT WAIT – there is not verb written in the Greek
Correct, in Greek it is often implied , as it is here
Notice the KJV implies the verb ‘is’
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:
And there is no ‘a’ in the Greek either – should just be God is Spirit
The other correctly grammatical argument = Predicate Adjective.
Correct – this could also be a text book translation
What would it look like
In English it looks like –
The plumber, Bill, fixed my sink
My teacher, Mrs. Miller, taught me
The Greek translation would be
Joh 4:24 God, Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
Joh 4:24 Spirit, God, and those who worship Him
99.99% of Greek Translator would fall back on
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him in spirit and truth
Only because it rolls of the tongue in English better
D" You are the only guy I ever met claiming to be a Christian that preaches that God is not allowed
R " OK explain to me how the Father can tolerate sinning sinners without destroying the sinner by the brightness of the Father's sinless presence?
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Answer the question please?
A Time for Everything
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven:
Ecc 3:2 a time to give birth and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted;
Ecc 3:3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build up;
Ecc 3:4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance;
Ecc 3:5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather stones, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
Ecc 3:6 a time to seek and a time to lose, a time to keep and a time to discard;
Ecc 3:7 a time to tear apart and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak;
Ecc 3:8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
The God-Given Task
Ecc 3:9 What gain, then, does the laborer get with his toil?
Ecc 3:10 I have seen the task that God has given to the children of men to keep them occupied.
Ecc 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Moreover, He has set eternity in their heart—yet without the possibility that humankind can ever discover the work that God has done from the beginning to the end.
The Book of Enoch
LXV:1 "And Enoch answered all his people saying: 'Hear, my children, before that all creatures were created, the Lord created the visible and invisible things."
LXV:2 "And as much time as there was and went past, understand that after all he created man in the likeness of his own from, and put into him eyes to see, and ears to hear, and hearts to reflect, and intellect wherewith to deliberate."
LXV:3 "And the Lord saw all man's works, and created all his creatures, and divided time, from time he fixed the years, and from the years he appointed the months, and from the months he appointed the days, and of the days he appointed seven."
LXV:4 "And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation."
LVX:5 "When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, then every man goes to the great judgment, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thenceforward there will be neither months or days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted."
LVX:6 "Therefore will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord's great judgment, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst then neither labor, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor violence, nor night, nor darkness, but great light."
LVX:7 "And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life."
So - The fluid and relative time of Einstein's physics became incrementalized so - man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life –
Why
2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some consider slowness. Rather, He is being patient toward you—not wanting anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
R " OK explain to me how the Father can tolerate sinning
God is love remember – it is your doctrine that God is tov only