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Post by Dave on Apr 24, 2021 12:39:07 GMT -5
D" The archon are self-creatures – governed by yester ra only – just like a cow or an ant I do not give them any more credit than a tribe of baboons loose in creation I do not praise them - I do not give them power They have been run up a pole - and I see them for who they are They are agents of - The Valley of the Shadow of Death I will fear no evil - because I choose to walk with God Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist when the times are evil, and after you have done everything, to stand firm. Eph 6:14 Stand firm then! Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, D"But you say - ignore all this and all these players of Eph 6:12 Just focus upon satan
R Hmm? The angels who fell from heaven are sinning angels full of self, yes and these angels generate a lot of RA in man's world, today we see alien images generated by these angels.
Because the angel who fell wanted to keep on sinning.... The cheub chata verse you ignore is the key to this reason. Angels SIN, so GOD had to allow the SINNING to be seen, Fallen Angels = 100% Catholic Catechism – 0% Jewish or Messianic Jewish TheologyAnd for clarification – when I say Messianic Judaism – I am speaking of the Jews who became Christian – the disciples of Jesus Christ – the people who actually walked and talked with Christ before and after His Resurrection The Catholic invention of Fallen Angels harms the faith in several ways1- it teaches that God cannot handle His own creation – a full 1/3rd of the angels He made to praise and serve now hate God and are at war with God – Jews call this idea ridicules 2- it teaches than things can FALL from God’s Grace – Jews, Gnostics, and most Christians say this is riduculas 3- and it preaches a satanic deception – a false impression of the archon/shedim The Jews and their shedim or the Gnostics and their archon – or even Isalm with its Jinn All treat the shedim/archon /Jinn as created beings who act for themselves Ants at a picnic – termites in a new house – mice in the food cellar – diseaseCatholics change all of this into EVIL DEMONS and their god Satan – who act evil and want to suck you into hell1940s Walt Disney CLASSIC – FANTASIA – a children’s cartoon – is a Catholic version of Dante’s Infernal, which was written in a larger works called – wait for it – a Divine Comedy youtu.be/SLCuL-K39eQQuestion – the Unitarian Church teaches – virgin birth and resurrection medically impossible The Mormon Church teaches that satan and Christ are twin brothers The Jehovah Witness teach there is no heaven – this is it Islam teaches – God has no Son Doaist teach - there is no spiritual God Scientology teaches - we are all god Where are all the satanic demons? – Where is all the evil? There are many good and decent Mormon, JWs, Doaist, and even Muslims 2nd Question to the Catholics – who is Allah? Who is Zeus, Who is Brahma or Shiva, 3rd Question for Catholics – what about ancient aliens? Star gods? Or the Modern UFO phenomena The traditional programmed response = D"But you say - ignore all this and all these players of Eph 6:12 Just focus upon satan R Hmm? The angels who fell from heaven The evil satanic realm of evil and its demonsNOW LET’s TALK REALITY and THE NEW RELIGIONRev 16:13 Then I saw—coming from the dragon’s mouth and from the beast’s mouth and from the false prophet’s mouth—three unclean spirits like frogs. Rev 16:14 For they are demonic spirits performing miraculous signs, who go out to the kings of the whole world—to gather them for battle on the great Day of Elohei Tzva’ot. Who is this – Will they be seen as demons? Will they validate scripture for the world? NO – they will dismantle religion – and be seen as the savior of the worldOr at least be seen as trying to help save the world After all – they did seed us here – didn’t they? 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Will they validate scripture for the world? - NO – they will dismantle (Catholic based) religion – and be worship once again as – ‘other gods’/ non-God gods / ancient gods / star gods – the hope of mankind
If you don’t believe me – just ask your neighbor – he is already a disciple What if the aliens are not evil at all – but generous and helpful(wiki) Childhood's End is a 1953 science fiction novel by the British author Arthur C. Clarke. The story follows the peaceful alien invasion of Earth by the mysterious Overlords, whose arrival begins decades of apparent utopia under indirect alien rule, at the cost of human identity and culture. There are several books and movies with this theme The aliens are here to help – they cure disease – they stop the wars – they bring peace – all humanity is happy – but sterile – oops! The Jews and their shedim or the Gnostics and their archon – or even Isalm with its Jinn All treat the shedim/archon /Jinn as created beings who act for themselvesQuestion – does a Muslim or a Unitarian or a Mormon realize they are agents of darkness? Would you call them demons? Or just men Will the aliens know they are Rephiem and act as agents of darkness? Or will they just think themselves independent and alone acting in their own interest (yester ra) The Most fascinating quotation from a UFO researcher – Uri Uvonvin (sp) “The aliens have been disconnected from their god in some way – and by studying human development and spirituality they hope to uncover the meaning of life for themselves”The Nag Hammadi was saved / preserved / hidden for the children of the last generation 1948 to 2068 = 120 years (Gen 6) We are closer to the end – then to the beginning Conditions are ripe in the WORLD for a catastrophic Ezk 38 type of war Iran proxies are targeting Israel’s Nuclear Power Plants with missiles Russia wants Ukraine – if they succeed – Belirus will be next as Russia tries to return is 5 points of defense China wants Taiwan – and it sounds as if it all might happen at once Every Filipino we know on either side of the Pacific are all preparing for war Australia is sure doing it part in the anti-China stance And a FLASH POINT no one talks about – Kashmiri China’s access to the Arabian Sea through Pakistan But owned and dominated by India – the country that has Naval control of the Malacca Straights Dead Sea War Scroll – Hebrew script – describes the Tribulation period 33 years with 3 major conflicts – Israel – the steps (Ukraine/Belerus/Poland) – and Europe (Germany/France)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 14:41:44 GMT -5
You entitle this thread, the coming deception
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.
Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Many miracles are coming, so powerful they deceive the world.
Once long ago, humans were deceived by opposers of GOD, that GOD had to destroy the humans who were deceived. The opposers turn will come later.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers (those sinning angels) defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
These opposers are termed angels, not archons. These forces "defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."
DO not mock the forces of evil. God can only speak truth, can only love, and have grace.
Evil can speak deception, and cheat and speak half truth and half love, while holding a sinister plot inside.
Scripture says that 1/3 of the sinless angels also sinned, choosing to side with the deceiver, the angel who opposes GOD by it's sinning. It causes war in heaven.
What hint is there of a rebellion against the Father by creatures?
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
This passage speaks of humans and angels who boast to be as high as the Father in heaven. What a proud boast.
So the same war continues on earth.
How is this war defined? Since creatures cannot challenge GOD?
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (KJV)
The angels who sin cannot stand humans who do not sin.
Why? Because such humans who do not sin stand as a witness against those who do sin.
They are a testimony to Jesus.
1Jo 2:7 ¶ Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jo 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Humans who love Jesus become sinless.
This causes the angels and the humans who sin, to become more angry with us. Because since we do not sin, and they keep on sinning, we become a witness against them who sin. Hence it becomes a war....
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Any creature or being who opposes humans being processed by salvation, are by definition opposing GOD.
Yet many humans decide to reject salvation because they listen to other sinning angels who also reject salvation. It is better they say to live a happy time without rules, than to live forever with rules of love.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 27, 2021 11:33:42 GMT -5
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. For there shall arise false Christs, (saviors) and false prophetsAsk your neighbor – he will tell you that the aliens that seeded humanity long ago will return to prevent man from destroying the planet Not to save humanity, per se, but to save the planet because earth type planets are rare in the universethe beast; saying to them that dwell on the earthYes – the off world aliens – will say to the men of earthIt is a very common sci-fi theme – sure not taught within Christendom Many miracles are coming, so powerful they deceive the world.YES – the coming archon invasion will be seen as – superior intelligence – the UFOs know how to come here, they have anti-gravity propulsion systems - their ability to manipulate matter is totally sci-fi Star Trex validation of the advanced aliens Once long ago, humans were deceived by opposers of GOD, that GOD had to destroy the humans who were deceived. The opposers turn will come later. These opposers are termed angels, not archons. These forces "defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."YES – Ancient aliens seeded humanity Every religion of the 99% is based upon ‘star gods’These forces "defile the flesh, These opposers are termed angelsYES – Gen 6So confusing – make up your mind This is the human line of Seth – or it is angels from heaven – you argue both Mr Clarity These opposers are termed angels, not archonsEph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (archon), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. You DENY the principalities of the agl My FAITH does not have to deny any scriptureRom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities (archon), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Messiah Yeshua our Lord. You DENY the principalities of the agl And you do so with such dedication to the defense of your satan and the Catholic doctrine of “Fallen Angels”My FAITH does not have to deny any scripture or depend on your satan and catholic doctrine For there shall arise false Christs, (saviors) and false prophetsMany miracles are coming, so powerful they deceive the world. These opposers are termed angels, not archonsCool – all you have to do is convince your UFO neighbor that biological alien geys or white or reptilian are actually angels Then you need to convince him that not only are they angels – they are fallen angels that conform to Catholic tradition Good luck dealing with the reality of your witness – because he will see no reality in it Evil can speak deception, and cheat and speak half truth and half love, while holding a sinister plot inside.AH – a deceiving spirit – as in 1 Kings 22 – working for the Lord OR – a satan – as in Job or 1 Chr 21 – working for the LordScripture says that 1/3 of the sinless angels also sinned, choosing to side with the deceiver, Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Scripture says that 1/3 of the sinless angels also sinnedI do not see your doctrine in the textRev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: Sometimes a star is just a starIsa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, This passage speaks of humans and angels Why does an angel have to accend into heaven? – this is about manwho boast to be as high as the Father in heaven. What a proud boast.YEP – 100% yester ra alpha male syndrome The phrase is – absolute power corrupts absolutely How is this war defined? Since creatures cannot challenge GOD?Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. It is defined as = wait for it - Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The Contest between man and WORLD / man and archon / man and yester ra self 1Jo 2:7 ¶ Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Correct – Math 5:17-20 – Jesus did not come to change the Jewish religion into a satan centric Catholic ChristendomActually - I couldn't agree more
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Absolutely agree – and I totally get why the faith of a Muslim would have him jump at a chance for salvation and go straight to heaven In Western Roman Christendom the attitude is – please don’t let me die Some in Western Christendom actually think their biology is the Temple of God and do all they can to live as long as possible 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. The Law of Moses was written for man – for Israel – for God’s chosen peopleYou apply this to all creation You even apply this to God Himself Yet you fail to show me these rules and regulations for the angels – or the archon – or the lions Viruses were told to go forth multiple and fill the earth They cannot do this with destroying another cell – and you claim this is a sin Humans who love Jesus become sinless.Gee – read Romans chapter 7 – Paul seems to disagree with you- Mr PerfectInstead my scripture says Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. You deny the spirit – man has no spirit – it is a sin to believe in the soul Man is just biology driven around by the HS making with memories – and it is those memories that are recorded in heaven – then no one can be First Fruits you have to wait for the First Resurrection – so that your memories can be returned to your biology Any creature or being who opposes humans being processed by salvation, are by definition opposing GOD.Why is a sin to commit suicide?Please show me the scriptureWhy is it sin to murder / kill It is the same answer – because it denies that persons opportunity for repentance and salvation But your God kills many directly and kills many more by proxy by Israel – even to infants By God’s command So your God opposes himself – So confusing
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 4:15:33 GMT -5
D" Ask your neighbor – he will tell you that the aliens that seeded humanity long ago will return to prevent man from destroying the planetR" Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.Actually Jesus comes when man is destroying the earth. D" Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (archon), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.R" Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against beginnings (arche), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. What happened from the beginnings of earth time? Sin D" Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities (archon), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Messiah Yeshua our Lord.R"Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels nor beginnings (arche), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Messiah Yeshua our Lord. Why do you translate the term arche as archon when it means beginning?Notice the contrast of beginnings is already with angels, or messengers. D" My FAITH does not have to deny any scripture or depend on your satan and catholic doctrineR " Your FAITH has no origin of SIN. Mine does. D" Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: Sometimes a star is just a star
R" Maybe, but stars are also personified as beings Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This is a poetry parallel. D" Why does an angel have to accend into heaven? – this is about man
R" Because the sinning angels were cast to earth.... Earth is the only place where sinning is tolerated by GOD D" Some in Western Christendom actually think their biology is the Temple of God and do all they can to live as long as possible R" 1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (KJV) D" The Law of Moses was written for man – for Israel – for God’s chosen people You apply this to all creation You even apply this to God Himself Yet you fail to show me these rules and regulations for the angels – or the archon – or the lions Viruses were told to go forth multiple and fill the earth They cannot do this with destroying another cell – and you claim this is a sin
R" riseisrael.com/commandments.html Not bad, shows the laws came from the Father for all humans. These laws define love, as GOD is LOVE. If Jesus says the devil a father of lies, that means the devil is a father of sinning. Have you never heard of free living viruses? Maybe the curse changed things? D" Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Yes that is speaking of your beginning in Jesus 1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. And this is speaking of growing up into Jesus, you eventually stop sinning. D" Man is just biology driven around by the HS making with memories – and it is those memories that are recorded in heaven R D" Why is a sin to commit suicide?R" Respect living, is a ten commandment principle of love. Only God can remove your living, not you. D" Why is it sin to murder / kill It is the same answer – because it denies that persons opportunity for repentance and salvation But your God kills many directly and kills many more by proxy by Israel – even to infants By God’s command
R" Hmm? Give me one example where GOD is commanding man to murder? Or an example where GOD murders people? 2Pe 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (KJV) The Father wants all to be saved.... no wound humans so they have no opportunity to be saved. If you reject the grace and the opportunity to choose God's gift of salvation, does not GOD have the right to remove His living in you? D" So your God opposes himself R" You are confusing yourself. God cannot sin and MUST obey His own laws He wrote with his own finger and spoke from His own mouth. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 28, 2021 7:05:30 GMT -5
D"Ask your neighbor – he will tell you that the aliens that seeded humanity long ago will return to prevent man from destroying the planet R" Re 11:18 - Actually Jesus comes when man is destroying the earth.Correct – validating that our savior are the aliens that will come to help usPlease tell me how a UFO landing in Melbourne validate scripture for the publicEph 6:12 - What happened from the beginnings of earth time? Sin Rom 8:38 - Why do you translate the term arche as archon when it means beginning? Notice the contrast of beginnings is already with angels, or messengers.YOU NEED TO LEARN TO TRANSLATE – it will help you to not look so foolishEph 6:12 = αρχας - : Noun, Case: Accusative (direct object), Plural, Gender: Feminine A direct object is never an adverbRom 8:38 = αρχαι -: Noun, Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative), Plural, Gender: Feminine A predicate nominative is never and adverbAND - the word is plural - just how many beginnings does your scripture have?Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. αρχη -: Noun, Case: Dative (direct object of the preposition – in) - used as a adverbial phrase indicating WHEN - Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine How many beginning does scripture say we have = Number: SingularYour attempt to TWIST scripture so it fits your doctrine FAILS!D" My FAITH does not have to deny any scripture or depend on your satan and catholic doctrine R " Your FAITH has no origin of SIN. Mine does.Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. Eve started it – Adam followed Eve – and all their offspring follow themYou need to blame it on someone else - not my fault - the devil made me / satan ruled meD" Why does an angel have to accend into heaven? – this is about man R" Because the sinning angels were cast to earth....I see – so your cherub chata was cast to earth – then went back to heaven to commit the sin that caused him to be cast from earthReally consistent there Robert – and well thought out The only consistent them you preach is that your satan is a strong authority R" riseisrael.com/commandments.html Not bad, shows the laws came from the Father for all humans. YES – the Law was given to man for man You claim it to be a Royal Law that all creation must obey – even GodHave you never heard of free living viruses? I have been working with and around viruses for 28 years No I have NEVER heard of this fantasy virus D" Man is just biology driven around by the HS making with memories – and it is those memories that are recorded in heavenR So you admit that your mission is to convince man that he has no soul – very Christian!D" Why is a sin to commit suicide? R" Respect living, is a ten commandment principle of love. Only God can remove your living, not you. First you demand yhat God cannot break His on Law – now you say only God can break His own LawsSO CONFUSING! R" Hmm? Give me one example where GOD is commanding man to murder? Or an example where GOD murders people?Deu 20:16 However, only from the cities of these peoples, which Adonai your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes live. Deu 20:17 You must utterly destroy them—the Hittites , the Amorites , the Canaanites , the Perizzites , the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as Adonai your God has commanded you. Jos 8:2 Then you will do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king 1Sa 15:3 Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” Num 16:35 Fire also came out from Adonai and consumed the 250 men offering the incense. Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, Gen 19:24 and Adonai rained sulfur and fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah from Adonai out of the sky. Gen 19:25 So He demolished these cities and the whole surrounding area, all the inhabitants of the cities R" Hmm? Give me one example where GOD is commanding man to murder? Or an example where GOD murders people? 2Pe 3:9 - The Father wants all to be saved.... no wound humans so they have no opportunity to be saved. PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR CONTRADICTIONGod in these verse opposes man – your doctrine says – anyone opposing man is opposing GodD" So your God opposes himself R" You are confusing yourself. God cannot sin and MUST obey His own laws He wrote with his own finger and spoke from His own mouth. AND YOU COME FULL CIRCLE with your circular argument
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 3:18:08 GMT -5
D"AND - the word is plural - just how many beginnings does your scripture have?
R " The word refers to the beginning of something that begins... not a reference to absolutely one only beginning/ study all the contexts yourself.
When angels began to sin for the first time, this is referenced as their beginning... get the idea?
D" αρχη -: Noun, Case: Dative (direct object of the preposition – in) - used as a adverbial phrase indicating WHEN - Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine
How many beginning does scripture say we have = Number: Singular R If you make Scripture grammatical, no body can read it except the scholar?
Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? Isa 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, Isa 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, Isa 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. Isa 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
Meek are people who seek GOD, and GOD reads the words to them, they do not need to follow or learn grammar...
D" Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. Eve started it – Adam followed Eve – and all their offspring follow them You need to blame it on someone else - not my fault - the devil made me / satan ruled me R I see. "death through sin" Where does death come from?
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. (KJV)
Why is this word "satan" here than, as the author and power of darkness than?
Job 3:5 Let darkness <choshek> and the shadow of death <tsalmaveth> stain it; Job 10:22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness. (KJV)
Shadows of darkness is a parallel to shadows of death.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 ¶ Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The Devil is NOT of GOD is paralleled to Jesus saying the JEWS are NOT of Jesus. All the parties in this passage oppose each other. The devil is the father of darkness, the father of lies, the father of sin. I do not use this to blame my sin upon another being. Not saying that, you twist my words. I am saying the origin of darkness came from angels that sinned before man sinned.
D" I have been working with and around viruses for 28 years R " Yeah, but always after sin and its curse on viruses came. They would have been free living before sin and it's curse became applied.
D" First you demand that God cannot break His on Law – now you say only God can break His own Laws SO CONFUSING! R WHO is man to argue against GOD over His right to provide living or remove living?
Dave points out where GOD commands humans to murder...
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Deu 20:17 Doesn't GOD allow 400 years of probation? Num 16:35 Wasn't this because SINNERS were mocking GOD? Gen 6:7 Wasn't this after probation was closed? Gen 19:24 Wasn't this after probation was closed?
I can guarantee GOD is a God of love, and gives all humans a probation of grace, and if this is abused, such humans receive non-existence.
D" AND YOU COME FULL CIRCLE with your circular argument R Are you saying GOD doesn't follow His own principles of love? Are you also saying GOD murders humans? Than as our German professor argues, GOD is evil and a fairy tale.
Einstein would not agree with your Dave. Evil does not exist unless GOD allows it to exist. Therefore GOD is not going to do evil, if GOD allows evil to exist.
God himself spoke the ten commandments and wrote the ten commandments twice with his own finger. That makes the ten word extremely special and holy.
The ten commandments define the character of GOD. God cannot change that character because as Scripture says God does not change, and GOD does not lie. If God cannot lie, thus God cannot sin, hence GOD must obey 100% His own ten commandment laws.
If you wish to discuss why GOD is allowed to judge sin and sinners and end their living, this is called probation closed, grace no more and the judgement of wicked people. In no way is GOD guilty of wounding sinners, or robbing them of salvation.
AS for humans killing the wicked does not mean God wanted humans to do this. This is another difficult theme to study.
Why do you ask these difficult questions?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2021 8:32:14 GMT -5
D" αρχη -: Noun, Case: Dative (direct object of the preposition – in) - used as a adverbial phrase indicating WHEN - Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine
How many beginning does scripture say we have = Number: Singular R If you make Scripture grammatical, no body can read it except the scholar?
Meek are people who seek GOD, and GOD reads the words to them, they do not need to follow or learn grammar...
Ha ha ha ha ha giggler giggle – you are so funny Just what document can you read without employing Grammar? It doesn’t work in English – or French – or German AND – is sure as hell does not work in Greek
Of all the things you have put into print – THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING YOU HAVE EVER SAID It rates right up there with – there is not One True God – but a family of gods
D" Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. Eve started it – Adam followed Eve – and all their offspring follow them You need to blame it on someone else - not my fault - the devil made me / satan ruled me R I see. "death through sin" Where does death come from?
DUH – wait for it D" Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Why is this word "satan" here than, as the author and power of darkness than? Because satan is a verb – and any man, woman, spirit, or animal that hinders your salivation is a satan
Shadows of darkness is a parallel to shadows of death. YEP! – WORLD – the only thing the WORLD has for us is death Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
The devil is the father of darkness, the father of lies, the father of sin. The devil – satan – and even the BEAST – are not creators There is ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR
D" First you demand that God cannot break His on Law – now you say only God can break His own Laws SO CONFUSING! R WHO is man to argue against GOD over His right to provide living or remove living? You are – you are the one who say God Cannot / God is not allowed / God must obey the 10 Commandments
Dave points out where GOD commands humans to murder... D" AND YOU COME FULL CIRCLE with your circular argument R Are you saying GOD doesn't follow His own principles of love? Are you also saying GOD murders humans? AS for humans killing the wicked does not mean God wanted humans to do this. This is another difficult theme to study.
So God told them to do it – But God didn’t want them to do it YOUR THEOLOGY IS SO CONFUSING and very contradicrtory
Why do you ask these difficult questions? A Rabbi would not find them difficult 99% of Christians would not find them difficult Question - Why do you even think these question difficult Answer – because Scripture does not fit the Ellen White Religion
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R Why is this word "satan" here than, as the author and power of darkness than? D Because satan is a verb – and any man, woman, spirit, or animal that hinders your salivation is a satan
Rob replies "Ha ha ha ha ha giggler giggle – you are so funny - Of all the things you have put into print – THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING YOU HAVE EVER SAID"
I assume, but I may be wrong Greek 4566 is the Hebrew word satan as a verb and Greek word 4567 is the Hebrew word 7854 satan as a noun with prefix "hey".
2Co 12:7 , the messenger of Satan to buffet me, Hmm?
the messengers who oppose and buffet me ? what do you think?
Mt 4:10 Get thee hence, Satan: (noun) a complete action of some being requires worship, this is against the royal law and therefore a sin. This being is sinning by asking this. This is proof this being is sinning, hence by definition a sinner, and sinners oppose GOD, because humans or angels who sin face non-existence from GOD. GOD is living and would not normally allow sinning beings to keep on living under probation.
Mt 16:23 said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: Peter was never a opposer of Jesus, he was a follower of Jesus, but sinned often, the mind was willing but the flesh was weak. Why does the flesh follow Satan and listen to Satan? Again this word is a noun, not a verb, and some Being has a complete state of sinning. Peter was only sinning sometimes. Jesus warned Peter of a massive change in his heart:
Lu 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
SO Dave, Peter cannot be a satan (verb) because this is the same Greek word,, using the Hebrew word satan as a noun. Here it is speaking of another Being with complete sin in him, who wishes to make Peter into a complete sinner like Satan.
We have another Peter who becomes a complete sinner of Satan, and writes the Gnostic scrolls and even begins the Catholic CHurch as Peter in Rome. The disciple Peter went to Rome rarely, but Peter Magnus was in Rome often.
Lu 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Here is another disciple who was opposing God sometimes, but chose to fully oppose GOD by siding with Satan who also fully opposes GOD, as the Noun form means.
If Judas was once "a satan" in the verb action, he was a mere opposer or sinner, like most sinners are. Such sinning can be forgiven because we seek forgiveness from our Saviour. But if we choose by our sinning to become fully engaged in trangression, than we become a opposer in the noun sense, fully opposing God because we are siding fully with Satan, who also is fully sinful, and thus GOD has no sacrifice for such a sinful state in you left.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
So Judas is a good example of "a satan" (verb) becoming like Satan " the Satan" (noun), and Judas is one disciple doomed to a state of non-existence.
My understanding in Hebrew, both verbs and nouns are action words, some incomplete (verbs) and some complete (nouns). Jeff benner influence.
The other 33 verses of Satan as a noun, are also examples of a Being who fully opposes GOD because this being is fully sinning, and any creature either human or angel who fully sins, is a complete opposer of GOD, hence the term "hey-satan" "Behold the Being who is fully opposing GOD as a sinful opposer".
D" YEP! – WORLD – the only thing the WORLD has for us is death Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
R You think the world is a simile of darkness? I would beg to differ.
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Why was darkness upon the earth?
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do
Obviously the darkness had to be created to be there upon the earth.
And from this verse the created darkness is the result of some evil.
Therefore some evil was created on the earth, before CREATION BEGAN.
Where did this evil come from?
The only place where the torah says RA comes from is from SIN.
Ge 39:9 how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. Ec 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times,
These verses show that RA comes from doing chata.
So who did the chata on earth before Creation, and before humans came along?
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; These beings, the cherubs were in EDEN with GOD during Creation of MAN.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
One particular angel was perfect like the other angels also in EDEN.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Here the cherub does chata, hence sins. And this sinning must be fully completed, so the term "hey-satan" is used to describe a sinner who fully opposes GOD as a sinful being.
Where is this angel written, being cast unto the earth? SO GOD creates the darkness so this SIN is fully seen, which is normally NOT allowed to exist.
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Here notice the cherub is cast to earth because the cherub deceives, and this word refers to sinning.
The darkness was created BEFORE CREATION over earth, because millions of sinning angels were sinning upon the earth, and GOD created it that way for them to live like that there.
So NO I beg to differ, the world is not a physical darkness, darkness does not normally exist anywhere in GOD's universe, because God is light.
R The devil is the father of darkness, the father of lies, the father of sin. D The devil – satan – and even the BEAST – are not creators There is ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR R Again you fail to understand. Yes GOD has to create RA, to make SINNING observable. Normally SINNING is not allowed to exist, GOD would normally instantly make a sinner who sins non-existence. Thus no sin exists in a perfect world of heaven, no RA of any kind. Not even friction or dust or diseases from viruses, nothing bad is tolerated.
Just because GOD creates RA to make SIN observable does not mean GOD is evil.
The being choosing to do sinning is the true originator of that sin, not GOD.
The word "ab" means that "provider".
The fully completed sinner sinning until he is no longer fogiven, becomes a "provider" for sinning. This is what the word "hey-satan" means.
One cherub reached this state long ago in EDEN, before EDEN, and was cast to earth. This is why there was war in heaven, because of sinning.
D God must obey the 10 Commandments R Yes, what is wrong with this idea Dave?
D" So God told them to do it – But God didn’t want them to do it YOUR THEOLOGY IS SO CONFUSING and very contradictory R Israel were stiff necks, am I right?
Israel wanted a religion based on human doings, am I right?
Does a religion based on human doings exist in the Bible? Yes Can this system save you? No Why does this system exist than if it can't save you? Because Humans wanted it, so GOD gave it to them.
One system of salvation is based on amanuah. (new covenant Abram followed)
ANother system of pious doings is based on human endeavour. (old covenant Cain started) Both systems have been around since Adam sinned.
Jesus had to obey BOTH systems of salvation, because BOTH systems are about salvation. The old covenant salvation system exists in the law, but only sinless beings can follow it. The new covenant system is for those who sin.
I am not an expert on this topic Dave, so forgive me if things seem strange to you.
D" A Rabbi would not find them difficult 99% of Christians would not find them difficult
Rob
Ps 131:1 ¶ <<A Song of degrees of David.>> LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
We are to think of simple child like things, not hard things.
Is not GOD a mystery beyond our understanding? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 30, 2021 7:09:00 GMT -5
I assume, but I may be wrong Greek 4566 is the Hebrew word satan as a verb and Greek word 4567 is the Hebrew word 7854 satan as a noun with prefix "hey". R If you make Scripture grammatical, no body can read it except the scholar? More consistency - if you don’t even agree with yourself – how can I find agreement with youFYI – G4567 never appears within the OT LXX It is G1228 διάβολος LEARN TO TRANSLATE2Co 12:7 , the messenger of Satan to buffet me, Hmm? the messengers who oppose and buffet me ? what do you think?2Co 12:7 even in the extraordinary quality of the revelations. So that I would not exalt myself, a thorn in the flesh was given to me—a a messenger of satan to torment me, so I would not exalt myself. a thorn in the flesh was given to me = yester ra and the animalistic instinct for self-preservation is absolutely 180 degrees opposite to -= opposed to Joh 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. Joh 15:13 No one has greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. Joh 15:14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. Mt 4:10 Mt 16:23 Lu 22:31 SO Dave, Peter cannot be a satan (verb) because this is the same Greek word5 plumbers come to do a job – which one is THE PLUMBER 3 electricians come to do a job – which one is The ELECTRICIAN R If you make Scripture grammatical, no body can read it except the scholar? Lu 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.What entered Peter – the selfish (yester ra) desire to protect Jesus What entered Judas – the selfish (yester ra) desire for security and wealthHere is another disciple who was opposing God sometimes, but chose to fully oppose GOD by siding with Satan who also fully opposes GOD, as the Noun form means.Or – here is another volunteer doing a hard job for the Lord top facilitate God’s Will upon the earth How does your human sacrifice or my resurrection come about without Judas?Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
So Judas is a good example of "a satan" (verb) becoming like Satan " the Satan" (noun), and Judas is one disciple doomed to a state of non-existence.Didn’t Judas repent by falling on his sword? Is repentance not available so some? I thought there is only one unpardonable sin – blasphemy against the Holy Spirit The other 33 verses of Satan as a noun, are also examples of a Being who fully opposes GOD because this being is fully sinning, and any creature either human or angel who fully sins, is a complete opposer of GOD, hence the term "hey-satan" "Behold the Being who is fully opposing GOD as a sinful opposer". Yep – here is your false assumption – anyone opposing man is opposing God and is a sinner – except for the exceptionsR You think the world is a simile of darkness? I would beg to differ. Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Why was darkness upon the earth?Authoritative Teaching- The Nag Hammadi LibraryAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish. He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists. And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world Obviously the darkness had to be created to be there upon the earth.Obviously the darkness had to be created to be there upon the earth.Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do And from this verse the created darkness is the result of some evil.Your God does evil? – I thought you had limits upon God – tov onlyTherefore some evil was created on the earth, before CREATION BEGAN.Excuse me – Gen 1:1 comes before Gen 1:2More consistency - if you don’t even agree with yourself – how can I find agreement with youSo who did the chata on earth before Creation, and before humans came along?Nothing happened before creationEze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; These beings, the cherubs were in EDEN with GOD during Creation of MAN. YEP = manEze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. YEP = manOne particular angel was perfect like the other angels also in EDEN. All angels are the same All archon are the same All men are the sameEze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. YEP – man – the wages of sin Eve chose to chata by disobeying God first given commandment – don’t eat it = the First Death /mortal death And without repentance, there is no Divine Pardon (salvation) = the Second Death / the death of spirit
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Here notice the cherub is cast to earth because the cherub deceives, and this word refers to sinning.1 Kings 22 – a deceiving spirit is sometime working for the lord So your iron clad proof fails I know you like to praise satan for all his power over the lord – but I just think you praise the wrong godThe darkness was created BEFORE CREATION over earth, because millions of sinning angels were sinning upon the earth, and GOD created it that way for them to live like that there. More consistency - if you don’t even agree with yourself – how can I find agreement with youC happened before B then A came after C – so B can happen Not only TWIST – now you are tongue twistingR The devil is the father of darkness, the father of lies, the father of sin. D The devil – satan – and even the BEAST – are not creators There is ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR R Again you fail to understand. Yes GOD has to create RA, More consistency - if you don’t even agree with yourself – how can I find agreement with youYou have a feel good God than can only do tov – now you call Him the creator of ra And you insist that ra is the result of sin – so your God is a sinner Just because GOD creates RA to make SIN observable does not mean GOD is evil. WHAT D God must obey the 10 Commandments R Yes, what is wrong with this idea Dave? Where is creating ra and sin in those Commandments? Just more consistence – Mr flip flopD" So God told them to do it – But God didn’t want them to do it YOUR THEOLOGY IS SO CONFUSING and very contradictory R Israel were stiff necks, am I right? Israel wanted a religion based on human doings, am I right?So Israel was not doing right (they were sinners) so God told them to kill (commit pre-meditated murder) on other sinnersJust more consistenceOne system of salvation is based on amanuah. (new covenant Abram followed) ANother system of pious doings is based on human endeavour. (old covenant Cain started) Both systems have been around since Adam sinned. I could not disagree more
The point of the old covenant was and is = a personal relationship with the Creator and the Divine Pardon – like Abraham, Like Isaac, like David, Like Elisha, like all 13 disciples, like all the apostiles, like all Born Again Christians You were taught to hate the Jews and Judaism has been misrepresented to you - the open and honest approach of the Roman Edit The old covenant salvation system exists in the law, but only sinless beings can follow it. The new covenant system is for those who sin.No one can follow the law – all men are sinners – all men are born with yester ra / self preservationD" A Rabbi would not find them difficult 99% of Christians would not find them difficult R Ps 131:1 - We are to think of simple child like things, not hard things.Then why do you have a web-site to teach Then why do you come on other forum to instruct other how wrong they are Then why do you give satan so much praise and attentionIs not GOD a mystery beyond our understanding?God is – agreed – and scripture is for illumination2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for restoration, and for training in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 so that the person belonging to God may be capable, fully equipped for every good deed. (all scripture – whether it is written in the stars or in the atoms of our very foundation – or the geological record – or the fossil record – in in sub-atomic physics – and even history)1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit, 1Th 5:20 do not despise prophetic messages, 1Th 5:21 but test all things, hold fast to what is good,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 17:10:21 GMT -5
What entered Peter – the selfish (yester ra) desire to protect Jesus What entered Judas – the selfish (yester ra) desire for security and wealth
The text does not say yester ra, it says hey-satan. You are adding to the torah and twisting it's meaning.
Didn’t Judas repent by falling on his sword?
No Judas was remorseful for sin, but not repentant of sin. He did not seek His Saviour.
Then why do you have a web-site to teach
To help others find the simple things about Jesus.
Then why do you come on other forum to instruct other how wrong they are
You invited me, remember?
Then why do you give satan so much praise and attention
I don't, you do, you praise your archons and UFO aliens all the time. I spend my time seeking Jesus and His power flowing through me.
Where is creating ra and sin in those Commandments?
What has creating RA got to do with breaking the Commandments, which by the way causes you to create RA?
Every time you break the ten commandments, you sin and thus create RA. How is this achieved when a human cannot create RA using human power? GOD does the creating of the RA for you, after all, humans on their own cannot do anything, unless GOD does it for you.
Just because GOD creates RA to make SIN observable does not mean GOD is evil. WHAT
You do not understand do you? You wrote a single word. "what"
Is it possible for light that is dazzling to make umbra shadows? no So if a being wants to make umbra shadows, how is this possible? Three things have to happen to make umbra shadows:
(1) The sinner has to walk away from the light. (2) God has to turn down His dazzling light, to make it dimmer. (3) The relationship of the sinner to His Creator is now made observable by natural laws of consequence. The umbra shadows of sin can now be seen. In other words GOD is logical, mathematical and orderly, hence physical laws now predict an umbra shadow is not possible.
How does GOD make His dazzling light less dazzling, if GOD cannot change? The MEDIUM comes over the sinner, the HS functions as a covering over the soul, and allows the soul to be living, we see in the case of Adam and Eve sinning, the HS as a covering was a removed somewhat exposing their nakedness. Hence the logical properties of a MEDIUM allow the rays of the Father to be diminished inside the Medium. This is physical proof the HS or the Medium is not an expression of the Father, as you claim.
In fact if your theory of the Father was true, I would ask you how does the Father touch the sinner in his sinning without destroying the sinner in his sin?
The wages of sin is non-existence. One cannot sin, nor be allowed to observe ones's sin. Such observation can only be explain by the Father's grace. That sounds nice but does not physically explain the process. A medium however does. The medium does not make the medium affect by it's own divine power. To do this would also destroy the sinner in his sin. The medium has to be passive, in allowing the sinner to sin, whilst not destroying the sinner immediately in his sin. In other words the HS functions as an agency, a conduit for the Father's flow.
Thus using the shadow experiment and simple medium experiments, one can explain the process using logical and physical law.
But who cannot understand this, and you write "WHAT".
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Post by Dave on May 1, 2021 7:27:34 GMT -5
What entered Peter – the selfish (yester ra) desire to protect Jesus What entered Judas – the selfish (yester ra) desire for security and wealth The text does not say yester ra, it says hey-satan. You are adding to the torah and twisting it's meaning. Sure word man – it is your god satan fault Your satan rules man and forces man to do bad things Not my fault – satan made me do it
Didn’t Judas repent by falling on his sword? No Judas was remorseful for sin, but not repentant of sin. He did not seek His Saviour. Mat 27:3 Then Judah, His betrayer, saw that Yeshua had been condemned. Feeling remorse, he brought the thirty silver pieces back to the ruling kohanim and elders, Mat 27:4 saying, “I’ve sinned, betraying innocent blood!” But they said, “What’s that to us? You see to it yourself!” Mat 27:5 After tossing the silver into the Temple sanctuary, he left. Then he went off and hanged himself. Question – what does the Greek Phrase “καὶ ἀπελθὼν ἀπήγξατο. “ mean to you Then why do you have a web-site to teachTo help others find the simple things about Jesus. YET – you admit that most of scripture is too hard for you to understand As long as you hold to your cherub chata religion – a lot of scripture will seem too complicated for you And you prove it ny not answering questions and hiding your head in th sand saying – somethings are too hard Then why do you come on other forum to instruct other how wrong they areYou invited me, remember?I tried to rescue you as a brother in Christ – you were not welcome at AHR – you came into a chat room full of Rabbinic PhDs and told them they were all wrong – they don’t even know their own language Your mission there was the same as here – to disrupt and tear down And what was the result of your efforts there? You think they took the site down – instead they just made it a closed discussion Then why do you give satan so much praise and attentionI don't, you do, - spoken like a toddler on a play groundyou praise your archons and UFO aliens all the time.The archon are no more special to me than a cow or an ant – the archon have absolutely no power over you – once you understand they just dumb creatures doing their roleI spend my time seeking Jesus and His power flowing through me.You have made 1177 post here – just how many have been to validate your cherub chata religion – or to suggest that satan rules manWhat has creating RA got to do with breaking the Commandments, Every time you break the ten commandments, you sin and thus create RA.So every time God caused a death – or instructed Israel to cause death – your God is a sinnerJust because GOD creates RA to make SIN observable does not mean GOD is evil. WHAT You do not understand do you? You wrote a single word. "what" you insist that ra is the result of sin – so your God is a sinner Just because GOD creates RA to make SIN observable does not mean GOD is evil. WHAT D God must obey the 10 Commandments R Yes, what is wrong with this idea Dave? Where is creating ra and sin in those Commandments? Just more consistence – Mr flip flop You do not understand do you? You wrote a single word. "what"No I do not follow your flip floppy responseEither your God can not possible do any ra because he is a god of tov only Or your god created the ra and ra is the result of sin Is it possible for light that is dazzling to make umbra shadows? no So if a being wants to make umbra shadows, how is this possible? Three things have to happen to make umbra shadows: Thus using the shadow experiment and simple medium experiments, one can explain the process using logical and physical law.Keep talking about the WORLD – use physical world to define spiritual reality All you can see is PHYSICAL WORLD – the archon have fully won you over to their side It only WORLD – no spirit – no soul – only biology A perfect example of the archon – do not seek the Kingdom of God just stay with WORLDI know who you are
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 15:58:44 GMT -5
You have made 1177 post here-I know who you are
You are closing down our discussion together Dave. We cannot talk of logical matters we find in the torah, instead you speak that the spiritual is not a simile of the physical/ I beg to differ.
Your website has have a total of over 5000 posts, that means both of us have contributed 47% of your forum together. And yet we disagree with almost every aspect of reading the torah. I thought when I went to Jeff Benner's Forum I would find Jeff Benner supporters. How wrong was I? Instead I found Hebrew scholars who never read Jeff Benner's material. You are the first person I have witness to over the Internet for so many posts. I will look out for you in the the end of time, and hope to see you saved by Jesus on the wall of the new city of Zion. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2021 0:02:16 GMT -5
You are closing down our discussion together Dave. We cannot talk of logical matters we find in the torah I am always here – I am not asking you to leave – I am asking you again – now for the second time To pick up your gameHow can we have a logical discussion if you fail to answer tough questions and just change the subject Then we discuss that subject until you fail to answer questions and then change the subject The we discuss that subject until you fail to answer questions and change the subject back to the beginning and still avoid the tough questions If a theory has exceptions to its mandate – it fails and is obviously incomplete Your theology leave you lacking the ability to answer those questions – it fails and is obviously incomplete Absolutely no Jew ever thought of your satan as a god of anything Jews and Christians see your satan as the heavenly prosecutor in service to the Lord I thought when I went to Jeff Benner's Forum I would find Jeff Benner supporters. How wrong was I? Instead I found Hebrew scholars who never read Jeff Benner's material. You had at your disposal at least 3 Jews – 2 of which were Rabbis and one was a Cantor You also had a professor of Hebrew studies from Stanford You also had 2 Muslims that were studying to be clerics Instead of learning from them – you attacked them and the forum closed because it changed from a discussion to an argument The forum shifted from an academic forum to a religious argument Of course Jeff Brenner didn’t want to be responsible for it Here is a perfect example of your insincerityR" Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against beginnings (arche), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. What happened from the beginnings of earth time? Sin R"Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels nor beginnings (arche), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Why do you translate the term arche as archon when it means beginning? Eph 6:12 (ASV) … against the principalities … (YLT) … but with the principalities … (KJV) … against principalities … (OJB) … but against the rulers, against the authorities … (ESV) … against the rulers, against the authorities .. (NKJ) … but against principalities… (ISV) … but against rulers, authorities, Why do you translate the term arche as archon when it means beginning?BECAUSE IT IS CORRECT – just a detail for you I know – it is a correct translationYou claim to be a Bible teacher of simple things – yet have no problem disrespecting the word of God
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 16:51:34 GMT -5
D" You had at your disposal at least 3 Jews – 2 of which were Rabbis and one was a Cantor You also had a professor of Hebrew studies from Stanford You also had 2 Muslims that were studying to be clerics
Instead of learning from them – you attacked them and the forum closed because it changed from a discussion to an argumentNot one of them was supporting Jeff Benner, which is what the forum was for. Technically speaking Dave I should not be welcome to your Gnostic forum because I am clearly against Gnosticism and thus I am not supporting your forum. The forum was in the stages of being closed long before I arrived there Dave, so I did not cause it's closing down. D" Here is a perfect example of your insincerityR" Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against beginnings (arche), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. R" What I wrote here makes sense. We do not fight human agencies. We fight something that happened before earth time, long ago in the beginning (where time was not measured) , these powers are rulers of darkness, spiritual ra in high places. What Paul writes is absolutely logical in order. R"Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels nor beginnings (arche), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, This context needs some translating, because it make no orderly sense. R"Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor messengers , nor beginnings (arche), nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Paul seems to be referring to broad issues. Death contrasted to living. Messengers of death, messengers of living Nor beginnings, what happened in the beginnings before earth time came? Nor present earth time, Nor future earth time, Nor future things beyond earth time, ie eternity Nor powers. This is NOT a list of evil creatures, but a broad context of things beyond the naming of creatures. I do not support polysemy, hence I alway try to fit one English meaning to all sentences that use a word. You are making meaning differ depending upon context. The majority of scholars would agree with you, but I don't. Martin Luther is a good example of me in translation. He does not translate German using polysemy. The word Herr for example is always the same as Adown. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1365.htm See my study SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2021 17:57:42 GMT -5
Instead of learning from them – you attacked them and the forum closed because it changed from a discussion to an argument R: Not one of them was supporting Jeff Benner, which is what the forum was for. So you have the authority to go on someone else forum and tell them they are not doing it right Catholic Righteous Arrogance I had been a member there since 2012 – interesting all things I learned there
Technically speaking Dave I should not be welcome to your Gnostic forum because I am clearly against Gnosticism and thus I am not supporting your forum. That is so obvious – just as with AHR – your purpose here is not to academically study the word of God – but to corrupt, tear down, and in the process you have no honor in your post
D" Here is a perfect example of your insincerity R" Eph 6:12 R" What I wrote here makes sense. Only to you - please provide just one translation in your favor Either centuries of language and scripture scholars were all wrong and you are right – and every translation – old or new – is in error OR – you are just disrespecting the word of God just to oppose I know who you are
The majority of scholars would agree with you, but I don't. Martin Luther is a good example of me in translation. He does not translate German using polysemy.
Eph 6:12 Denn wir haben nicht mit Fleisch und Blut zu kämpfen, sondern mit Fürsten und Gewaltigen, nämlich mit den Herren der Welt, die in der Finsternis dieser Welt herrschen, mit den bösen Geistern unter dem Himmel.
Because we do not have to fight with flesh and blood, but with princes and mighty ones, namely with the lords of the world who rule in the darkness of this world, with the evil spirits under heaven.
AND YOUR SCHOLARTLY POINT IS WHAT?
who are Martin Luthers mighty ones?
Gen 6:4 There were tyrants on earth also in those times; for when the children of God went to the daughters of men and they bore them children, they became mighty men in the world and men of great renown.
AND - why would a Christian help denying our true struggel - deny the enemy - help other to belive the enemy is not real - just believe in satan I know who you are
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