4th epistle to Robert

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I admit the context is hard to fathom hence we ponder confusion.

You agree with me that no creature can challenge the Creator.

Can a child challenge the parent? No not ever.

When the child grows up, the parent decides for the sake of love in the family to give the wayward child it's own space, to rebel with SELF.

The rebellious son glee's, now I can do my own thing without rules.

One day the family grows up and another son who used to be good like their parents has decided to be bad, and become more rebellious.

SO the parents ask, who shall help this new wayward son become more rebellious? 1Ki 22:20

Some brothers and sister mutter and rumble and heads down.

The wayward son comes in and says, I will do this. 1Ki 22:21

The parents sadly agree, go and do what? 1Ki 22:22

The wayward son who functions as a medium, says I will be functioning as a lying medium to help this other son become more like me doing more RA. 1Ki 22:22

So the parents say, the parents given permission to this idea and thus the RA is allowed to increase. 1Ki 22:23

Question: Does this mean the wayward Son is now on friendly terms with the parents? no
But the parents are using every tactic of love to try to get the wayward son to listen and respond to their love.

Who empowers the wayward son, feeds him, shelter him and clothes him? The parents do.
Who decided to be rebellious? the son does all on his own.

Does this make the wayward son an opposing force to the parents? Of course it does.
But the parents are limited by love, whereas the wayward son is not limited by love. The wayward son can cheat, lie and deceive.

Could we say the parents and the wayward sons are friendly? Maybe, after all love even has respect for evil doers, because love hopes they will repent of their ways.

I hope this simile sheds some light on this difficult passage Dave. Love from GOD is powerful, and even allows evil angels respect.

Shalom

[Dave]

I admit the context is hard to fathom hence we ponder confusion.
You agree with me that no creature can challenge the Creator.
Can a child challenge the parent? No not ever.
And yet – your Catholic “Fallen Angels” is contradictory to your own statement
Your satan and a full 1/3rd of all God’s angels hate God / oppose God/ and are war against God
You think the SDA have an original version by calling it the Great Controversy
Then you say
You agree with me that no creature can challenge the Creator.
Can a child challenge the parent? No not ever.

If the child thinks so – the child is just delusional
It was delusional for Caesar to think himself a god
It was delusional for Emperor Ito to think himself a God
It was delusional for the King of Tyre or the King of Babylon to think themselves god
YES – could not agree more

When the child grows up, the parent decides for the sake of love in the family to give the wayward child it's own space, to rebel with SELF.
The rebellious son glee's, now I can do my own thing without rules.
YES – the Prodigal Son leave home and enters the WORLD
SO the parents ask, who shall help this new wayward son become more rebellious? 1Ki 22:20
OK – it is satan’s job to accuse this son of all his sin
OK – the WORLD and the archon in it – make the world attractive and seductive to the son
and don't forget Gen 3:15

Could we say the parents and the wayward sons are friendly? Maybe, after all love even has respect for evil doers, because love hopes they will repent of their ways.
YES – ABSOLUTE LOVE comes with this risk – the risk that the son won’t return, but be corrupted by the WORLD and the archon in it

Who empowers (the Prodigal Son when he is the) wayward son, feeds him, shelter him and clothes him? The parents do.
YES – God does – just as he cares for the sparrow of the meadow
YES – God’s love is unrequited – he loves the rocks, trees, and the sinners
Who decided to be rebellious? the son does all on his own.
YEP – Eve choose all by herself – each of us choose all by ourselves

But the parents are limited by love, whereas the wayward son is not limited by love. The wayward son can cheat, lie and deceive.
YES – scripture says there is only one unpardonable sin
YES – God’s Grace is enough to forgive the worse of man

But the part of your story that you leave out = repentence followed by salvation
The wayward son lost to the world – wakes up and realizes the Love of his parent )God) that he left behind
Then the Prodigal Son chooses to return to God – and is REWARDED for the reciprocation of the Love

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Arrh, perhaps after the wayward son teaches the other son more and more RA, that other son says to his brother, it's not fun doing RA without rules, I prefer to live, and I fear you would kill me in the name of sport, I would rather live than die....living in RA is making me fearful of living...I am afraid I will die... so says the wayward son, so what, enjoy the fun and don't worry how long you live? Not satisfying says the other son, I would rather live under my parents rules, so the other son repents and returns to the parents, and like Ahab, becomes a straight son once again, living under the rules of love and enjoying those rules while living forever.

Yes the prodigal wayward son returns to the parents.

But the other son never returns, and his Self and Pride get in the way.

But in writing all this Dave, do you see why 1Kings 22 is written this way?
If GOD is a parent, and has a wayward son, the parent is always in control, never the child, and so allowing the child to do RA, does not mean the parent approves of the child's behaviour.

Hope this helps us find harmony in the torah scriptures

Shalom

[Dave]

Arrh, perhaps after the wayward son teaches the other son more and more RA
In the story of the Prodigal Son – the other son stayed home
The other son that stayed home – is still home wih the father – just no reward

Yes the prodigal wayward son returns to the parents.
And this is the definition of the Prodigal Son – DUH
We are all called to be one

But the other son never returns, and his Self and Pride get in the way.
Sure – you can choose WORLD if you do not remember the Love your father had for you - DUH

But in writing all this Dave, do you see why 1Kings 22 is written this way?
If GOD is a parent, and has a wayward son, the parent is always in control, never the child, and so allowing the child to do RA, does not mean the parent approves of the child's behaviour.

YES – God is always in control – there is no other strong authority in heaven
God is in control of the tov and the ra

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

so allowing the child to do RA, does not mean the parent approves of the child's behaviour.
Who said God approves?
And what does this statement have to do with the Prodigal Son or humanity