Post by Dave on Apr 12, 2021 23:53:25 GMT -5
Sorry to have upset you, but let's stick with the thread at hand.
I have endured your questions for a while now
If you do not believe that I have tried my best to answer any and all of your questions – then list them here
On the other hand – it is you that does not have to respond – and you prove it again with this post
Your Tree of Life Version, is very strange, and I suggest you do not use it anymore
WORD MAN – the English translation does not matter – it is always the words under them that speak the theme
Only you are tripped up by vocabulary
Have a look at the Hebrew words, now which word in the Hebrew has the meaning "a non-god" ?
And here we go go arguing vocabulary
Deu 32:17 (TLV) They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods they had not known—to new ones who came in lately, ones your fathers had not dreaded.
So the TLV is using H433 (eloah) as the term "a non-god" ?
If you are going to present the Hebrew – be honest
The Hebrew says NOT ELOAH as not gods
In my understanding the sentence reads"
They sacrificed / to demons/ not/ to our heavenly Father /
YES - agree
The gods they were sacrificing to are not GOD – the Creator
These not-God gods are created beings – Baal, Molech, Chermosh, Dogon, Caesar Agustus, The King of Tyre are not God
YES - agree
SO let's check how consistent is the TLV?
Who cares if you decide to attack the messenger – what does the Hebrew say word man
You accuse me of changing the sunject?
Have a look at the Hebrew words, now which word in the Hebrew has the meaning "a non-god" ?
So are your arguing the opposite – these other gods are gods in a pantheon along with your satan god and your family of 3 gods
How many gods do you accept? 40-50?
In every culture – and in the Lavant – false gods took up the 99% space left by the vacuums of WHYH
And always they seems to be – about 200 in number with 20 or so major players – (33 inside the ahl)
None of these created creatures are GODS!
Your satan angel is not a god
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D: Archon – are self-centered creatures on this WORLD
This has been their WORLD since Gen 1:2
R" Still avoiding answering my question ?
They are not called archon, they are called devils, or shedim.
Paul called them Powers and Principalities (archon)
Luke called the Principalities (archon)
Paul. John, Peter, James, Thomas, Phillip and others of the first century also called them archon
Are these creatures on the same side with GOD or not? Yes or no. My answer is no.
What is your answer Dave?
I will not fall for your trap
I will gladly answer this – but remind you that for over a year you owe me an answer
Question – why do you think it a sin to obey God
R cow or rats or germs do not talk or get you to sin Dave.
Oh I so disagree – can you live in a cage full of baboons without becoming angry and upset
You walk out to your new battery house to find out the rats destroyed 100s of dollars
A drunk driver kills your child – you have a biological reaction that is not inspired by love and forgiveness
2Sa 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel
Were the bacteria responsible for the pestilence sinning?
In Egypt God used frogs, lice, gnats, diseased livestock, boils,, locusts, and the angel of death
Were the frogs, lice, gnats, diseased livestock, boils, hail, locusts, and the angel of death all sinning
If they were – please answer the question you avoid – why is it a sin to obey God
God told satan – go and test Job
You say this proves satan is a sinner
I ask – why is it a sin to obey god
God told Israel more than once to commit genocide
Was is a sin for Israel to kill everyone – infants - pets
If they were – please answer the question you avoid – why is it a sin to obey God
R ...sure GOD created all the free will creatures, my question is are these shedim on God's side, or do the shedim oppose GOD? Yes or No. My answer is the shedim oppose GOD, by getting helping/ humans to sin, for the shedim also sin. So my answer is no, the shedim oppose GOD.
Sorry Robert – the archon oppose man
Gen 3:15 is between man and world / man and archon
And your answer is Dave?
D" Correct – the verb satan means to accuse, or oppose
R Finally we agree the verb-form-satan means to accuse or oppose (same meanings)
I have never said otherwise – I have always used the term accuser as do 99% of other Christians and Jews – you have to be different – OK – oppose
D" YEP to accuse or oppose Joshua as a prosecutor – it is his job
D" Yes – and angel working for the Lord in the role of the accuser or opposer
R" Wow the messenger (not angel) was opposing the donkey and Baalim upon the road.
Not accuse Dave, the messenger did not speak to the donkey, only opposed the donkey, blocking it's path.
Please read the verse very slowly
Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him.
1- your God of Love only is angry
2- and the angel of the LORD – YES a servant of the Lord – working for the Lord
3- stood in the way of the donkey
Are you confused who the angel is opposing? Opposing God or the donkey?
D" Agree – and in each verse the satan was workin for the Lord to facilitate God Will
R you had to throw in your twisting of the meaning didn't you?
AN opposer cannot oppose humans and still be on GOD's side, doing God's will?
So disagree it is crazy – this statement is not even close to scripture
Exo 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
Deu 1:30 The LORD your God which goeth before you, he shall fight for you, according to all that he did for you in Egypt before your eyes;
Question – does God do the fighting Himself – or does he send others – angels – Michael
If God does the fighting Himself – does this make your god a sinner
Or does he send another - 2 Sam 24 + 1 Chr 21
If that your belief?
How is that a principle of Love Dave? Allowing opposers to oppose God's love?
YES ROBERT – I believe in Gen 3:15 just as written
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D" – and in each verse the satan (opposer) was workin for the Lord to facilitate God Will
So the king who does evil and sin, allowed the prophets to seek the shedim, for answers to his sickness, thus the shedim are doing the Lord's will in helping the king to seek them rather than the true eloah in heaven?
Not sure of your point or your question here – If you are referring to Numbers 22
The King of the Moabites – does ra and sin – because he is a man – sure agree
He allowed his prophets to seek shedim
YES! – YHWY is not the God of the Moabites
YHWY is the God of Israel – the 1% - the 99% are left to ‘other gods’ – such as Baal, Moloch, and the god of the Moabites was Chermosh – the same god that made King Solomon crazy
YES! All of these ‘other gods’ are shedim/archon/principalities
YES – the Moabites sought after their false non-god god / pseudo-god/ false god Chermosh
They are NOT of the family Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – and not (yet) invited to be spiritual Jews / Christians
YES! YES! YES! Israel is only 1% of the population (much less than actually)
They spent 40 years alone with God in the wilderness learning to be Jews
This 1% is a very special and unique group – they are God’s chosen
You completely forget about the 99% - the rest of the WORLD filled with archon and alpha driven males
All through the ahl – Israel and their God – was at odds with – all the nations around them who all worshiped ‘other gods’ /non-God gods/ false gods
632AD Mohammed gathered all the ‘other gods’ /non-God gods / false gods and place them in the Kaba declaring that Allah was the supreme god of them all
So if the shedim is working for the Lord? why than does Elijah stop them seeking the shedim?
Are we to seek other gods? Are we to engage in necromancy?
WHY – because many of good men have fallen for SEX – drugs – power trips – delusions of grandeur
All ATRACTIVE WORLD – wealth – power - fame
My understanding is if the shedim are opposers, than the shedim are always preventing humans from seeking the Lord, is exactly what 2 Kings is all about. Hence why Elijah said to the prophets who do you seek the shedim, rather not seek the Lord?
YES agreed but with some clarification
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your opposer
Satan of the Book of Job – is an angelic being (never told if of the Right or Left) that tested Job for God – at God’s Will
2 Sam 24 + 1 Chr 21 – satan is an angelic being (never told if of the Right or Left) that tested David for God at God’s Will
Satan could be the same angel over and over – or different beings asked to perform the task/function
God was satan to Balaam - it is a verb
What is satan’s job for God
He is the heavenly prosecutor – his job it to make sure no sinner make it past Proportional Punishment as First Fruits with a Divine pardon – death in Christ
Heb 9:27 die once then the judgment
That judgment = your in with a Divine pardon – or NOT to await the First Resurrection
Zec 3 – satan the prosecutor is right there to accuse Joshua
God’s says (rebuke/shut-up/stop talking) prosecutor – Divine Pardon granted
Satan’s job is to point fingers at you and me and prove us as the sinner we are
Satan’s job is to accuse man – Gen 3:15
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your satan
Rev 12:3 And there was seen another sign in the heaven, and, lo, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems,
The FIRST ARCHON of Gen 1:2 – and his offspring
They were made with some matter – they were an abortion from the invisible to the visible
Ancient Gnostic saw this as physical creation is the abortion / corruption
Nag Hammadi makes the First Archon just the First creature made with some matter
These are the only creatures we are given any hit of offspring
The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library
A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived. …
And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter. …
Gen 1:2
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.
These are the only creatures we are given any hit of offspring = bane elohiym
Gen 3:15 according to Paul
Col 1:16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities (archon), whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
Eph 6:12 because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities (archon), with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your satan
They have absolutely nothing to do with 1/3rd of all God’s loyal angels “Falling From Grace”
It has absolutely nothing to do with a satan god and his army waring against the Creator
The “Fallen Angel” Catechism of the Catholic Church only elevates satan to godhood – while diminishing the Creator
The archon are a race of creatures that are invisible to man – or visible to man
They were in creation – on earth before man
And just like the Jews did to the Canaanite – man took over was given dominion
This is a race of creatures that are made with enough matter to procreate with women
The entire Book of Enoch is about these creatures and what happened in Gen 6
THE BOOK of JUBILEES
Tells us – after the Flood 10 of the Nephilim remain
Scripture calls them the Son’s of Anak – Nephilim = post flood Rephiem (7 tribes)
THE BOOK of JUBILEES
Also tells us that satan can use the post flood 10% to help him with his mission
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
This has nothing to do with a god of evil at all
THE CONTEST = man vrs WORLD and all the creatures in it – seen and unseen
And some of those creatures are more troublesome than others – seen and unseen
Are the archon a satan – YES
So are lions, volcanoes, war, other men, unseen archon whenever they serve that function
Example – you and your family are a missionaries trying to spread the Gospel
1- On the boat ride to your destination – one child drowned in a boating accident
2 - two weeks later – your other child develops a jungle fever and dies
3 - A month after that – your camp is over run by rebels and your wife was rapped
WHERE IS YOUR SATAN IN ALL THIS – maybe nowhere – maybe it is just the WORLD and the gen 3:15 reward for being a sinner
Hey Christian – if God is love why do bad things happen to good people?
Gnostic answer – Jewish answer -
Deu 8:2 … in order to humble thee to try thee, to know that which is in thy heart, whether thou dost keep His commands or not.
1- the boating accident might have had nothing to do with you – it may have been another’s test
Your child was collateral damage – just as the children of Job
2- sometimes disease – is just disease – Gen 3:15 – the Worlds is an unfriendly place
3- Maybe satan is the one testing you – he is just using man(rebels) to do the deed
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
This has nothing to do with a god of evil at all
The Great Controversy is between two gods at war in heaven
Sorry Robert – Only One God in heaven
It is the Gnostic Contest – between man and WORLD – and man and archon – Gen 3:15
You heard Jesus describe the Jewish demonic side – Beelzebub
King Solomon tells us Beelzebub is the father/ or leader of the shedim
Is Beelzebub the Beast / First Archon – or the First Archon’s general responsible for man – the Devil
Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
You heard Jesus describe the Jewish demonic side – Beelzebub
King Solomon tells us Beelzebub is the father/ or leader of the shedim
This is simply the First archon and his offspring archon
And all of it is Enoch and Gen 6
100% Jewish + 100% Gnostic +100% First Century Messianic Jewish
0% Catholic Catechism which is 100% SDA doctrine
Summary
Satan is a servant of the lord
The shedim/archon are a different race of creatures - they do what they do
God can use satan as a tool to facilitate God’s Will
God can use the archon as a tool to facilitate God’s Will
Satan can use the archon as a tool to complete his mission on earth
God can use lice, frogs, gnats, disease, weather, volcanoes, and the angel of death as tool to facilitate God’s Will on earth
Satan can use other men - or archon - or WORLD (disease, pain, and suffering)
The shedim /archon / satan's (pl) / demons do not have to be "evil looking"
They can be very respected chrasimatic christians - Rev Jimmy Jones
They can be Christian look-alikes - JW, Mormon, Unitairian
They can even perform miracles - Joseph Smith
Some are movie stars and music legends
Some are politians and school teachers
all of them satan's - your satan - if they cause you to chata instead of mitzvah
How do we serve the Lord?
Jesus said - sell it all and follow me
Jesus said - go evangelize - take only one shirt - don't worry where you will sleep or eat
But the WORLD is a hard place to live - Gen 3:15
And someone said it this way - I am forced to do the things I have to do - to live the life I choose
Some men start out like Jesus instructed
But as their ministry grows - it becomes a business (WORLD)
Look at something like the Oral Roberts Ministry - they need about a million dollars a day in donations to keep the lights on - to print all their material - to supplement their University
Money corrupts - World corrupts - it is archon World appealing to good ole yester ra
There is no need for a god of evil - physicial creation is the corruptible vrs the incorruptiable
Does satan get in the face of men - sure - Job is every man / any man / representitive of mankind
Are there evil spirits and spooks and gobblins - sure = shedim (King Solomon) archon
100% Holloween + 100% the Saterday Night Horror picture show
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
Are these creatures on the same side with GOD or not? Yes or no. My answer is no.
What is your answer Dave?
You made an interesting statement
So the king who does evil and sin, allowed the prophets to seek the shedim, for answers to his sickness,
Enoch tells us that the bane elohiym archon taught mankind enchantments, potions, cosmetics
King Solomon tells us that some of the shedim cause specific diseases or illness
Book of Jubilees 10:8. And the chief of the spirits, Mastêmâ, came and said: "Lord, Creator, let some of them remain before me, and let them hearken to my voice, and do all that I shall say unto them; for if some of them are not left to me, I shall not be able to execute the power of my will on the sons of men; for these are for corruption and leading astray before my judgment, for great is the wickedness of the sons of men." 9. And He said: "Let the tenth part of them remain before him, and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation." 10. And one of us He commanded that we should teach Noah all their medicines; for He knew that they would not walk in uprightness, nor strive in righteousness.
Evidently – they have a job to do – a function within creation
And that mission is to keep man sidetracked and busy with WORLD
Keep man quagmired in the Contest – so man doesn’t have the time or desire to MITZVAH
I have endured your questions for a while now
If you do not believe that I have tried my best to answer any and all of your questions – then list them here
On the other hand – it is you that does not have to respond – and you prove it again with this post
Your Tree of Life Version, is very strange, and I suggest you do not use it anymore
WORD MAN – the English translation does not matter – it is always the words under them that speak the theme
Only you are tripped up by vocabulary
Have a look at the Hebrew words, now which word in the Hebrew has the meaning "a non-god" ?
And here we go go arguing vocabulary
Deu 32:17 (TLV) They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods they had not known—to new ones who came in lately, ones your fathers had not dreaded.
So the TLV is using H433 (eloah) as the term "a non-god" ?
If you are going to present the Hebrew – be honest
The Hebrew says NOT ELOAH as not gods
In my understanding the sentence reads"
They sacrificed / to demons/ not/ to our heavenly Father /
YES - agree
The gods they were sacrificing to are not GOD – the Creator
These not-God gods are created beings – Baal, Molech, Chermosh, Dogon, Caesar Agustus, The King of Tyre are not God
YES - agree
SO let's check how consistent is the TLV?
Who cares if you decide to attack the messenger – what does the Hebrew say word man
You accuse me of changing the sunject?
Have a look at the Hebrew words, now which word in the Hebrew has the meaning "a non-god" ?
So are your arguing the opposite – these other gods are gods in a pantheon along with your satan god and your family of 3 gods
How many gods do you accept? 40-50?
In every culture – and in the Lavant – false gods took up the 99% space left by the vacuums of WHYH
And always they seems to be – about 200 in number with 20 or so major players – (33 inside the ahl)
None of these created creatures are GODS!
Your satan angel is not a god
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D: Archon – are self-centered creatures on this WORLD
This has been their WORLD since Gen 1:2
R" Still avoiding answering my question ?
They are not called archon, they are called devils, or shedim.
Paul called them Powers and Principalities (archon)
Luke called the Principalities (archon)
Paul. John, Peter, James, Thomas, Phillip and others of the first century also called them archon
Are these creatures on the same side with GOD or not? Yes or no. My answer is no.
What is your answer Dave?
I will not fall for your trap
I will gladly answer this – but remind you that for over a year you owe me an answer
Question – why do you think it a sin to obey God
R cow or rats or germs do not talk or get you to sin Dave.
Oh I so disagree – can you live in a cage full of baboons without becoming angry and upset
You walk out to your new battery house to find out the rats destroyed 100s of dollars
A drunk driver kills your child – you have a biological reaction that is not inspired by love and forgiveness
2Sa 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel
Were the bacteria responsible for the pestilence sinning?
In Egypt God used frogs, lice, gnats, diseased livestock, boils,, locusts, and the angel of death
Were the frogs, lice, gnats, diseased livestock, boils, hail, locusts, and the angel of death all sinning
If they were – please answer the question you avoid – why is it a sin to obey God
God told satan – go and test Job
You say this proves satan is a sinner
I ask – why is it a sin to obey god
God told Israel more than once to commit genocide
Was is a sin for Israel to kill everyone – infants - pets
If they were – please answer the question you avoid – why is it a sin to obey God
R ...sure GOD created all the free will creatures, my question is are these shedim on God's side, or do the shedim oppose GOD? Yes or No. My answer is the shedim oppose GOD, by getting helping/ humans to sin, for the shedim also sin. So my answer is no, the shedim oppose GOD.
Sorry Robert – the archon oppose man
Gen 3:15 is between man and world / man and archon
And your answer is Dave?
D" Correct – the verb satan means to accuse, or oppose
R Finally we agree the verb-form-satan means to accuse or oppose (same meanings)
I have never said otherwise – I have always used the term accuser as do 99% of other Christians and Jews – you have to be different – OK – oppose
D" YEP to accuse or oppose Joshua as a prosecutor – it is his job
D" Yes – and angel working for the Lord in the role of the accuser or opposer
R" Wow the messenger (not angel) was opposing the donkey and Baalim upon the road.
Not accuse Dave, the messenger did not speak to the donkey, only opposed the donkey, blocking it's path.
Please read the verse very slowly
Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him.
1- your God of Love only is angry
2- and the angel of the LORD – YES a servant of the Lord – working for the Lord
3- stood in the way of the donkey
Are you confused who the angel is opposing? Opposing God or the donkey?
D" Agree – and in each verse the satan was workin for the Lord to facilitate God Will
R you had to throw in your twisting of the meaning didn't you?
AN opposer cannot oppose humans and still be on GOD's side, doing God's will?
So disagree it is crazy – this statement is not even close to scripture
Exo 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
Deu 1:30 The LORD your God which goeth before you, he shall fight for you, according to all that he did for you in Egypt before your eyes;
Question – does God do the fighting Himself – or does he send others – angels – Michael
If God does the fighting Himself – does this make your god a sinner
Or does he send another - 2 Sam 24 + 1 Chr 21
If that your belief?
How is that a principle of Love Dave? Allowing opposers to oppose God's love?
YES ROBERT – I believe in Gen 3:15 just as written
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D" – and in each verse the satan (opposer) was workin for the Lord to facilitate God Will
So the king who does evil and sin, allowed the prophets to seek the shedim, for answers to his sickness, thus the shedim are doing the Lord's will in helping the king to seek them rather than the true eloah in heaven?
Not sure of your point or your question here – If you are referring to Numbers 22
The King of the Moabites – does ra and sin – because he is a man – sure agree
He allowed his prophets to seek shedim
YES! – YHWY is not the God of the Moabites
YHWY is the God of Israel – the 1% - the 99% are left to ‘other gods’ – such as Baal, Moloch, and the god of the Moabites was Chermosh – the same god that made King Solomon crazy
YES! All of these ‘other gods’ are shedim/archon/principalities
YES – the Moabites sought after their false non-god god / pseudo-god/ false god Chermosh
They are NOT of the family Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – and not (yet) invited to be spiritual Jews / Christians
YES! YES! YES! Israel is only 1% of the population (much less than actually)
They spent 40 years alone with God in the wilderness learning to be Jews
This 1% is a very special and unique group – they are God’s chosen
You completely forget about the 99% - the rest of the WORLD filled with archon and alpha driven males
All through the ahl – Israel and their God – was at odds with – all the nations around them who all worshiped ‘other gods’ /non-God gods/ false gods
632AD Mohammed gathered all the ‘other gods’ /non-God gods / false gods and place them in the Kaba declaring that Allah was the supreme god of them all
So if the shedim is working for the Lord? why than does Elijah stop them seeking the shedim?
Are we to seek other gods? Are we to engage in necromancy?
WHY – because many of good men have fallen for SEX – drugs – power trips – delusions of grandeur
All ATRACTIVE WORLD – wealth – power - fame
My understanding is if the shedim are opposers, than the shedim are always preventing humans from seeking the Lord, is exactly what 2 Kings is all about. Hence why Elijah said to the prophets who do you seek the shedim, rather not seek the Lord?
YES agreed but with some clarification
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your opposer
Satan of the Book of Job – is an angelic being (never told if of the Right or Left) that tested Job for God – at God’s Will
2 Sam 24 + 1 Chr 21 – satan is an angelic being (never told if of the Right or Left) that tested David for God at God’s Will
Satan could be the same angel over and over – or different beings asked to perform the task/function
God was satan to Balaam - it is a verb
What is satan’s job for God
He is the heavenly prosecutor – his job it to make sure no sinner make it past Proportional Punishment as First Fruits with a Divine pardon – death in Christ
Heb 9:27 die once then the judgment
That judgment = your in with a Divine pardon – or NOT to await the First Resurrection
Zec 3 – satan the prosecutor is right there to accuse Joshua
God’s says (rebuke/shut-up/stop talking) prosecutor – Divine Pardon granted
Satan’s job is to point fingers at you and me and prove us as the sinner we are
Satan’s job is to accuse man – Gen 3:15
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your satan
Rev 12:3 And there was seen another sign in the heaven, and, lo, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems,
The FIRST ARCHON of Gen 1:2 – and his offspring
They were made with some matter – they were an abortion from the invisible to the visible
Ancient Gnostic saw this as physical creation is the abortion / corruption
Nag Hammadi makes the First Archon just the First creature made with some matter
These are the only creatures we are given any hit of offspring
The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library
A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived. …
And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter. …
Gen 1:2
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.
These are the only creatures we are given any hit of offspring = bane elohiym
Gen 3:15 according to Paul
Col 1:16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities (archon), whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
Eph 6:12 because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities (archon), with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;
The shedim / archon/ Jinn / Principalities / shades / demons - is a different group than your satan
They have absolutely nothing to do with 1/3rd of all God’s loyal angels “Falling From Grace”
It has absolutely nothing to do with a satan god and his army waring against the Creator
The “Fallen Angel” Catechism of the Catholic Church only elevates satan to godhood – while diminishing the Creator
The archon are a race of creatures that are invisible to man – or visible to man
They were in creation – on earth before man
And just like the Jews did to the Canaanite – man took over was given dominion
This is a race of creatures that are made with enough matter to procreate with women
The entire Book of Enoch is about these creatures and what happened in Gen 6
THE BOOK of JUBILEES
Tells us – after the Flood 10 of the Nephilim remain
Scripture calls them the Son’s of Anak – Nephilim = post flood Rephiem (7 tribes)
THE BOOK of JUBILEES
Also tells us that satan can use the post flood 10% to help him with his mission
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
This has nothing to do with a god of evil at all
THE CONTEST = man vrs WORLD and all the creatures in it – seen and unseen
And some of those creatures are more troublesome than others – seen and unseen
Are the archon a satan – YES
So are lions, volcanoes, war, other men, unseen archon whenever they serve that function
Example – you and your family are a missionaries trying to spread the Gospel
1- On the boat ride to your destination – one child drowned in a boating accident
2 - two weeks later – your other child develops a jungle fever and dies
3 - A month after that – your camp is over run by rebels and your wife was rapped
WHERE IS YOUR SATAN IN ALL THIS – maybe nowhere – maybe it is just the WORLD and the gen 3:15 reward for being a sinner
Hey Christian – if God is love why do bad things happen to good people?
Gnostic answer – Jewish answer -
Deu 8:2 … in order to humble thee to try thee, to know that which is in thy heart, whether thou dost keep His commands or not.
1- the boating accident might have had nothing to do with you – it may have been another’s test
Your child was collateral damage – just as the children of Job
2- sometimes disease – is just disease – Gen 3:15 – the Worlds is an unfriendly place
3- Maybe satan is the one testing you – he is just using man(rebels) to do the deed
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
This has nothing to do with a god of evil at all
The Great Controversy is between two gods at war in heaven
Sorry Robert – Only One God in heaven
It is the Gnostic Contest – between man and WORLD – and man and archon – Gen 3:15
You heard Jesus describe the Jewish demonic side – Beelzebub
King Solomon tells us Beelzebub is the father/ or leader of the shedim
Is Beelzebub the Beast / First Archon – or the First Archon’s general responsible for man – the Devil
Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
You heard Jesus describe the Jewish demonic side – Beelzebub
King Solomon tells us Beelzebub is the father/ or leader of the shedim
This is simply the First archon and his offspring archon
And all of it is Enoch and Gen 6
100% Jewish + 100% Gnostic +100% First Century Messianic Jewish
0% Catholic Catechism which is 100% SDA doctrine
Summary
Satan is a servant of the lord
The shedim/archon are a different race of creatures - they do what they do
God can use satan as a tool to facilitate God’s Will
God can use the archon as a tool to facilitate God’s Will
Satan can use the archon as a tool to complete his mission on earth
God can use lice, frogs, gnats, disease, weather, volcanoes, and the angel of death as tool to facilitate God’s Will on earth
Satan can use other men - or archon - or WORLD (disease, pain, and suffering)
The shedim /archon / satan's (pl) / demons do not have to be "evil looking"
They can be very respected chrasimatic christians - Rev Jimmy Jones
They can be Christian look-alikes - JW, Mormon, Unitairian
They can even perform miracles - Joseph Smith
Some are movie stars and music legends
Some are politians and school teachers
all of them satan's - your satan - if they cause you to chata instead of mitzvah
How do we serve the Lord?
Jesus said - sell it all and follow me
Jesus said - go evangelize - take only one shirt - don't worry where you will sleep or eat
But the WORLD is a hard place to live - Gen 3:15
And someone said it this way - I am forced to do the things I have to do - to live the life I choose
Some men start out like Jesus instructed
But as their ministry grows - it becomes a business (WORLD)
Look at something like the Oral Roberts Ministry - they need about a million dollars a day in donations to keep the lights on - to print all their material - to supplement their University
Money corrupts - World corrupts - it is archon World appealing to good ole yester ra
There is no need for a god of evil - physicial creation is the corruptible vrs the incorruptiable
Does satan get in the face of men - sure - Job is every man / any man / representitive of mankind
Are there evil spirits and spooks and gobblins - sure = shedim (King Solomon) archon
100% Holloween + 100% the Saterday Night Horror picture show
THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Catholic Fallen Angels – no such thing
This has nothing to do with a god satan in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork
Are these creatures on the same side with GOD or not? Yes or no. My answer is no.
What is your answer Dave?
You made an interesting statement
So the king who does evil and sin, allowed the prophets to seek the shedim, for answers to his sickness,
Enoch tells us that the bane elohiym archon taught mankind enchantments, potions, cosmetics
King Solomon tells us that some of the shedim cause specific diseases or illness
Book of Jubilees 10:8. And the chief of the spirits, Mastêmâ, came and said: "Lord, Creator, let some of them remain before me, and let them hearken to my voice, and do all that I shall say unto them; for if some of them are not left to me, I shall not be able to execute the power of my will on the sons of men; for these are for corruption and leading astray before my judgment, for great is the wickedness of the sons of men." 9. And He said: "Let the tenth part of them remain before him, and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation." 10. And one of us He commanded that we should teach Noah all their medicines; for He knew that they would not walk in uprightness, nor strive in righteousness.
Evidently – they have a job to do – a function within creation
And that mission is to keep man sidetracked and busy with WORLD
Keep man quagmired in the Contest – so man doesn’t have the time or desire to MITZVAH