D"Yes – life lives
There are two deaths – one now (mortal) death of biology
The second death – the Lake of Fire – death of spirit (the end of you forever)
R" Question: Does your spirit live when your body dies?Ecc 3:19 For the destiny of humankind and the destiny of animals are one and the same. As one dies, so dies the other. Both have the same breath—a human has no advantage over an animal—both are fleeting.
Ecc 3:20 Both go to one place. Both were taken from the dust, and both return to the dust.
Ecc 3:21 Who knows that the spirit of the sons of man ascends upward and the animal’s spirit descends into the earth?
Question: Does your spirit live when your body dies?D"Yes – life livesMan’s spirit is released /poured out / set free and the spirit of man return to heaven
Ecc 12:5 … for a man is going to his eternal home, and mourners go about in the street—
Ecc 12:6 before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is crushed, or the jug at the cistern is shattered, or the wheel at the well is broken.
Ecc 12:7 Then the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Question: Does your spirit live when your body dies?D"Yes – life livesThe silver cord that holds your spirit within the body is broken
Man’s spirit is released /poured out / set free and the spirit of man return to heaven
Ec 8:8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death:
D" Answer yes – this verse says no man has power over his spirit
Man cannot force his spirit into heaven -cannot save his spirit from Proportional Punishment - cannot save his spirit from being put to death at the Lake of Fire
R" So if man has no power over his spirit, what's the point of having his spirit ?Spirit is life – it is your independent unique and individual identity – it is youWe were spirit before we were mortal
We are spirit trapped within out mortal bodies having a physical souljournUpon mortal death – the body dies and returns to dust – life (spirit) lives and returns to God for judgment
Another Question: , Can man's spirit, talk, and mourn and cry out to God, if so how?Can the Holy Spirit talk and moan or cry out loud – scripture says yes
Can evil spirit talk – agl says they talked to Jesus
Can the HS talk to you – spirit to spirit – scripture say yes
Can the dead see you – even talk to you – scripture says yes
D"Not a metaphor or a simile – to those at the time of the Flood
Scripture is not in error
R" Really?You can make a nice Christian seromn about it Robert - but you let your sermon override scripture1Pe 3:18 For Messiah once suffered for sins also—the righteous for the unrighteous—in order to bring you to God.
He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Ruach. 1Pe 3:19 Through the Ruach He also went and preached to the spirits in prison.
1Pe 3:20 Long ago they disobeyed while God kept waiting patiently, in the days of Noah as the ark was being built. In that ark a few (that is, eight souls) were brought safely through water. The biological body of Jesus died on the cross
His spirit was released and he preached to those who once lived at the time of the flood
Denying scripture to keep your doctrine alive is a very consistent habit/ theme from you
Where is your respect for the word of God?
D"Dualism – what I preach – what Judaism teaches (yester tov)+(yester ra) / (spirit)+(biology)
R" I do not understand this Arian thing. what is dualism according to you?
You have never learned anything about the skisim in Christianity or the Ecumenical Councils – especially the Council of Nicaea – that was all about the Arian controversy?
Just exactly what church history do you know?
You said you have been a Christian for 30 years or more – and you have never heard of the Council of Nicaea?
what is dualism according to you?D"Dualism – what I preach – what Judaism teaches (yester tov)+(yester ra) / (spirit)+(biology)D"Isn’t this called the First Resurrection?
R" I don't get you
The spirit lives once the body dies, and the spirit is joined back to the body again at the first resurrection/
OK, so what is the spirit doing in heaven/hell? Can the spirit talk and mourn and seek pardon? how is this possible without a tongue to speak?NOT HELL (catholic word) Hades the land / realm of the UNSEENWhat are they doing there awaiting the First ResurrectionAll believers that fail to be First Fruits – suffer proportional punishment – Deeds, Works, FruitAll believers are saved – First Resurrection – but they were not Born Again First Fruits
2 groups – believers and spiritual
D"No MAN can kill your spirit/soul – except God at the Lake of Fire which is the second death
R" So when a man dies, the spirit of that man lives, but the man has no power over his spirit after death?
Man has no power over his own spirit at any time Man can take his own mortal life - commite sucide - but his spirit will coninue on into judgment
What is the point of this spirit than, if man has no power or control over his spirit?Sure Robert – what is the point of life?Why do Christians ask this?Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
We are spirt that are at home in heaven
Ecc 12:5 … for a man is going to his eternal home,
We chose or are sent into this world to Jer 1:5 – we are missionaries here – we are evangelist here – to this WORLD – and to all the heaven because this realm is in full view of all the heavens
We leave the Father and enter the world – with an assignment – a commission – a purpose
If we remember that purpose – we awake and do our assignments
Upon mortal death – we are released from our bodies and return to God for judgment
If we do our assignments well – we return to the Father as the Prodigal Son
At any time in our life – mortal – or spiritual – we can receive the Divine Pardon / Salvation
If we are Born Again of spirit before mortal death – First Fruits – straight to the Bosom of Abraham
If we have not made that spiritual connection – but we believe – we are saved and await the First Resurrection
While we are waiting that First Resurrection – each man pays for/ is punished for / is tormented by
(Jews say – we wear the shame of / tormented by our own shame) his Deeds, Works, and Fruit.
Proportional Punishment
If you are not a believer – is there a chance you could be saved after death?
Answer = we all come from God – we all know and believe - deep inside our soul knows
It is the sins of the body that cause us to forget – what we already know
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you.
Remind us of what we already heard / already know
Gnostic phrase describing this = you are tormented until you forget what you forgot
If you are not a believer – then Proportional Punishment may feel eternal – eternal damnation – eternal torment
However – the word eternal is a Catholic invention
Hell / Hades is emptied out and cast into the Lake of Fire – the second death – death of spirit / extinction / gone / erased )
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead—the great and the small—standing before the throne. The books were opened, and another book was opened—the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what was written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Sheol gave up the dead in them. Then they were each judged, each one of them, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
That very day when you die, your thoughts perish, so does the spirit living after you die, make thoughts of you?
Your answers to this spirit thing you believe in would be appreciated.I am just making this up right now on the spot – but Ponder thisYou are Robert – that is who you are – I’ll call you (Robert)
God comes to you and says – go advertise salvation
So (Robert) comes to earth as a race car driver {(Robert)+(Race car #20)}Everyone can see Race Car #20 – its real / solid / makes noise / makes turns / goes fast
Inside – we know there is a driver – we do not see him behind the glass You enter the race of life on earth – the Contest – and you have no choice but to run the race to its end (mortal death – end of race car #20)
You began the Race at age 3 months old and your race-car glows with praise – neon lights even
But before your are old enough to be an effective race car driver (witness) – you spend your youth playing in the mud - - in the WORLD
By the time you are old enough to preach – your message is covered in mud(world) –no one can see your message /advertisement – you can’t even see what you already know - cuz all you see is mud
Some – take the time to stop and wash the car with faith and belief – so their witness does get out
Some denominations wash the head lights
Some denominations wash the tail light also
Some denomination even wash the bompers
Only spirit can wash the whole car clean again – but until death you are still driving around in the world of mud – and we constantly battle within – be clean – get muddy – tov and ra (yester tov)+(yester ra)
All of the race (contest) the only way others knew you – could see you – was Car #20
All you seem to see yourself as is Car #20 {(Robert)+(Car #20)}
But upon mortal death – Car #20 rust away into nothingness – while (Robert) its driver is released and returns to God for judgment –
As Car #20 – you think judgment is about – how well you ran the race
But as (Robert) you understand it was all about your assignment to advertise / witness
One moment on the cross with Christ – was a witness that saved him that very day
That very day when you die, your thoughts perish, so does the spirit living after you die, make thoughts of you?
Your answers to this spirit thing you believe in would be appreciated.
Nothing about the Car #20 matters – vanity does not matter – at death we are all rusted and dented up anyway –
Nothing about the Car #20 matters – vanity does not matter – you can have 20 PhDs – be though of as a Genius – an Einstein – but around age 90 you will forget it all – loose it all - and have a hard time remembering where you are
All your life as Car #20 – the gas you drank – the type of oil you used – or the music you play
Only matters if it affects your real mission / calling / assignment as (Robert) – to witness
This is the whole point of the Roman Edit – alter the witnessToday – the compounding errors of the Christian witness has resulted in a poor witness
The legacy of 2000 yrs of Catholicism = If there is a God – he is weak or does not careThe legacy of 5000 yrs of Judaism = I feel I should move to Israel and relive the life of an ahl Jew
Occupy the land by force – and let the Beast (and all his other gods devils and satanas Chaldean origin – of the 99% origin) attack me because Jewish God is strong – no contest even – so I am willing to stand with YHWY in Israel – why because I trust Him and He asked me to do it
Jewish Proportional Punishment =
Divine Pardon / Salvation = your muddy drivers uniformed is exchanged for band new clothes
Jewish Hell – you are in heaven but you have filthy dirty muddy clothes and you are ashamed of your dirt – but over time your tears of regret and shame end up washing the dirt away
No tears – no regret – you just remain dirty – and do not fit it / are welcomed
The POINT - Man is spiritFrom God we came – we souljourn on earth with the assignment of Jer 1:5
Upon mortal death – we are released / poured our – and return to God for judgment
If we die in Christ we have salvation / a Divine Pardon we are First Fruits and rejoin the heavenly host from which we came
Is the Christian mandate that belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah is required for salvation / a Divine Pardon – true (or a demanding ‘one way-ism’)
Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Abraham, Joshua all Divine Pardon
Why were they a Divine Pardon – because they knew the Lord personally – spirit to spirit – they knew God=Christ=Shekinah=HS=Comforter=Sustainer=Christ=God – there is Only One True God
All of the were First Fruit Christians (the term just had not been invented yet)
Do we have bodies in heaven – do we have spirit bodies – sureWe will be like - therefore are like the angels – not of flesh and bone – not 3D physical
What will we be? –
the correct answer has not yet been revealed1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last shofar. For the shofar will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
FYI - now you know why I deliberately misspel the word
souljournI wish it was mine - but I borrow it from a 1970s Harvard University student published News Letter called
'The Souljourner'