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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 3:23:31 GMT -5
D" The HS is not corporeal Correct – she is omnipresent just as light is always around us The HS is the spirit of God The only voice we have ever heard within ourselves = the Spirit of God The only voice we have heard with our biological ears = Christ – the image of God
R" I don't get you?
If the HS is the expression of the Father, how come we hear the Spirit of the Father? (Torah says nobody has heard the Father's voice?)
If Jesus Christ is the expression of the Father, how come the disciple's heard the Image of the Father? (Torah says nobody has heard the Father's voice?)
You cannot say an expression is a separate independent Being can you. Otherwise your theory is the same as mine.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 8, 2021 4:30:54 GMT -5
Your comments here deserve no response Please – attempt to be serious
Are you a student? - or just a neysayer - finding anything to doubt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 12:55:43 GMT -5
What is wrong with my question? straight from the torah itself?
Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (KJV)
The HS descended in the shape of a fluttering bird, clearly shows that energy can assume shape using matter.
Does not mean however as you claim that the HS is comprised of matter, but does not assume the HS is also NOT comprised of matter. Thus the HS has a shape, and thus is shown to us as a medium with shape. Hence a personally divine being.
The HS cannot be an expression of the Father, because nobody has seen His shape nor heard His voice.
So your expression idea that the Father is making a feminine expression of the HS, is totally wrong.
The same logic applies to your expression of the masculine Son of the Father as an expression of the Father.
Or do you ignore John writings here ?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 9, 2021 4:52:59 GMT -5
What is wrong with my question? straight from the torah itself? The HS descended in the shape of a fluttering bird, clearly shows that energy can assume shape using matter. Does not mean however as you claim that the HS is comprised of matter, but does not assume the HS is also NOT comprised of matter. Thus the HS has a shape, and thus is shown to us as a medium with shape. Hence a personally divine being.
Correct – energy can be translated or transmuted – God can appear anyway He wants
The HS cannot be an expression of the Father, because nobody has seen His shape nor heard His voice. Misquote John if you choose Correction - you donlt just misquote John - you corrupt the passage in entirety to fit your doctrine
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Post by Dave on Jul 1, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5
D"IF the 6 Days of creation must be 24hr days by Hebrew definition as you posted - why do you deny the scripture written by Paul, or King David It is a contradictory position you placed yourself in - so you just changed the subjectR" I fail to grasp what it is you are saying.R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. So all the animals including man was created on a single yom period of time, 24 hours of the rotating earth. The fossil record did not happen until the great flood event, some 2400 years later after day 6. Robert Gantry suggests the granite rocks were formed in less than 10 nanoseconds of time, So Creation of earth along with its animals was called into existence, rapidly. Jesus spoke and the matter moved according to His words. R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. So all the animals including man was created on a single yom period of time, 24 hours of the rotating earth. … relativity in time, something Einstein discovered but was already in Scripture …So things can look old in a single day. How is this possible? Well Gerald Schroeder, a Jewish scientist I might add, explains by terming this as "time stretches" So Schroeder notes the earth was created in six literal yom periods, that according to relativity could be 4.6 billions years old. I assume you want me to take your discussion seriously – are you?6 24hr Days or 4.6 Billion years – make up your mind D" Any discussion of time is stupid because time is not linear From God’s perspective it was only 6 yom From man’s perspective it was a lot longer 4.6 billion or 13.6 Billion Time is relative to the viewer – Einstein said it – scripture says it twice Peter 3:9 & Psa 90:4 Therefore I embrace scripture – Time is not linearR" Hmm? yom is linear Dave, it moves forward one day at a time. The appearance of making yom look older is a different matter, that is relativity. Time is relative to the viewer – Einstein said it – scripture says it twice Peter 3:9 & Psa 90:4 Therefore I embrace scripture – Time is not linear R" Hmm? yom is linear Dave, it moves forward one day at a time.STOP IT – Stop talking in circles –take this conversation seriously or I am doneTake one position and stick with it – you flip flop between two extremes 6 24hr days was your argument – up until I asked you about Day 7 Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he "Ceased" on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Why doesn't Scripture say evening and morning the seventh day? Because that would describe part of Sunday the 8th day, Creation took 7 days. You say 7 – scripture says 6Exo 20:11 For in six days Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Prophecy writes the day as a measure of a year of time.No you argue R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. SO explain how you see Sabbath as ongoing, and not an appointed times each weekly Ceasing-Day.BECAUSE YOU SAID - “Why doesn't Scripture say evening and morning the seventh day? Because that would describe part of Sunday the 8th day” SO explain how you see Sabbath as ongoing,Heb 4:3 For we who have trusted are entering into that rest. Heb 4:6 So then it remains for some to enter into it; Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered God’s rest has also ceased from his own work, just as God did from His. Heb 4:11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, And the answer to my question is what You claim 6 24hr days – so day 7 must have been over long ago Or you don’t support 6 24hr days anymore and Day 7 is ongoingNo one still knows your answer – way to take a stand
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Post by Dillon on Jul 5, 2021 13:50:24 GMT -5
You claim 6 24hr days – so day 7 must have been over long ago Or you don’t support 6 24hr days anymore and Day 7 is ongoing
I finally understand why this is important. If creation was only 6 24 hour days then there would have been no time for evolution Incremental Creation to occur, but Day 7 would have to be over by now But if day 7 is ongoing, then all the days of creation would be, could be, much much longer, long enough for the scientific story to unfold. If Day 7 has been ongoing for 6000 years, then each od the Days od creation could have been 6000 years a piece also. 7x6000 = 42,000 years and the young earth crowd are proven wrong by their own logic.
D - Absolutlery correct - creationist mandate a day = 24hrs as measured today Except when is doesn't - therefore so much for absolute mandates
Robert says Don Patton cannot be wrong Yet Don Patton makes fun of the geologist that speak of the GAPS in time between catastrophic events However - it have been how long since the Flood of Noah - The Flood of Noah until now id a very large GAP - and during that GAP many species have gone exstinct and man has gone to the moon Yet Don Patton makes fun of the geologist that speak of the GAPS in time between catastrophic events
Robert promised to defend his guy - but he cannot defend an idiot withour looking like an idiot
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