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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 4:18:36 GMT -5
D" Because God exist as a TRINITY - DUHR if this is true Dave, why not Hebrew word for this, three form expression? Instead "el" is referenced as "ab", and "son" , terms humans relate to, Father and Son. What simile to do present in the Scripture for your trinity of expressions idea Dave? D"T his verse adds a NT label, suggesting elohiym is a family in heaven. = TRINITYR" DAVE YOUR COPY AND PASTE technique is silly. Elohiym is a simile of family. No where does Scripture use the term trinity.... no such term... invented by Catholics, a religion you dislike remember? Do conservative Jews like your term trinity? Not that I know. SO trinity is a Father Being in three expressions? Is this popular Christian idea as Richard SAYS? D" But you think it is impossible for the God and Creator of the entire multi-verse cannot be in two places at the same time R" Why do you make stuff up, I never said this. Scripture says love covers a multitude of transgressions. I do not hold lots of things against you Dave, I do not mock you, or belittle you with stuff you never said. Sure I make mistakes as we shared over the years, and we are getting better in our discussions. Sure GOD can be in all places all over the universes. Omnipresence. You speak of trinity a lot, a make up word invented by Catholics. I guess you say the term means a Father Being who is expressed in three expressions. Can you find some website that defines your term clearly "A Few Definitions What we mean when we say that God is a Trinity is that there is one divine nature, one divine substance. A “substance” or “nature” is what something is. God, as a Trinity, exists in three Persons. A person is “who” someone is. In our experience, one human person each possesses one human nature. A husband and wife, no matter how closely united, are still two separate beings. Disagree, Lev 18 says both are the same being. I n God, however, three Persons possess the same divine nature. If you were to ask each Person in the Trinity, “Who are you?” each person would answer something differently: “I am the Father;” “I am the Son;” “I am the Holy Spirit.” If you were to ask each Person, “Who are you?” you would get the same answer from each Person: “I am God.” Not, “I am a God,” as a human would say, “I am a human.” Rather, each divine Person, while not identical to the other divine Persons, is one in being with the other two divine Persons and is fully God. The word we use to describe this in the Nicene Creed is consubstantial. While we say in the Nicene Creed that the Son is consubstantial with the Father, it is also true that the Spirit is consubstantial with the Father and the Son."This is not much good www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/the-trinity/Never been able to find a definitive definition. Also give me a simile on earth, I can relate your trinity term to. A Bible simile would be nice. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 31, 2021 7:25:59 GMT -5
D" Because God exist as a TRINITY - DUH R if this is true Dave, why not Hebrew word for this, three form expression? What simile to do present in the Scripture for your trinity of expressions idea Dave?(1) ruwach (2) son (3) eloah There are three more Hebrew words listed here (1) YHWH (2) eloah (3) shadday There are three more Hebrew words listed here, translated into the Greek (1) YHWH (2) elohiym (3) Shadday Finally to highlight a few Listed here is also three terms (1) elohiym or theos (2) Father or eloah (3) Son, yasha, Jesus Christ (4) Spirit, ruwach or Shadday (5) family in heaven This verse adds a NT label, suggesting elohiym is a family in heaven. TRINITYDo conservative Jews like your term trinity? Not that I know.Of course not – DUH – Non-Messanic Jews are dualistMale Father in heaven that never leaves His throne And Female SPIRIT OF GOD called shekinah – that comes invisibly among the people The revelation of the agl = Christ is God Instead "el" is referenced as "ab", and "son" , terms humans relate to, Father and Son. So Jewish dualism become Christian Trinity SO trinity is a Father Being in three expressions? Is this popular Christian idea as Richard SAYS? "el" is referenced as "ab", and "son" , terms humans relate to, Father and SonAnd Female SPIRIT OF GOD called shekinah – that comes invisibly among the people D" But you think it is impossible for the God and Creator of the entire multi-verse cannot be in two places at the same time R" Why do you make stuff up, I never said thisYour proof that Jesus is not God = Jesus on earth spoke to God in heaven Why do you deny your own teaching flip flopperAlso give me a simile on earth, I can relate your trinity term to. A Bible simile would be nice.Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Luk_10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God = male and female = Trinity E = m c2 God – Christ – HS Father – Son – Mother Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. A face no man can see – God the Father Creator that never leaves His throne The Glory of God – a blinding light – the Spirit of God that is Holy And the image of God – a 3D physical image = back – the Son of GodYour denial of scripture not withstandingTRINITY
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 14:13:28 GMT -5
Can't you give me a simile of your view, is this a difficult request?
Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Luk_10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God = male and female = Trinity E = m c2 God – Christ – HS Father – Son – Mother
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
A face no man can see – God the Father Creator that never leaves His throne The Glory of God – a blinding light – the Spirit of God that is Holy And the image of God – a 3D physical image = back – the Son of God
Your denial of scripture not withstanding
No simile mentioned here of your view?
D"God = male and female = Trinity
OK so give me a simile of a BEING who is both gender male and gender female from Scripture?
But this only gives me two expressions, I need a simile of three expressions?
God – Christ – HS Father – Son – Mother
Isn't this the same simile I use? Family?
God the Father Creator that never leaves His throne
Nice this is the tent peg letter, the Father is secure. yes correct, never leaves His throne.
So how did the Father show his back to Moses, if the Father cannot leave His throne, SIMILE PLEASE
So the Father expresses Himself as another projection, called a SON. Do you have a simile of that idea?
Never heard of an object that changes into something else and moves bodily across space as a separate and talking Being?
Let's see, light leaves its source and moves across space and time as a separate particle of light, but than you quash this idea of mine helping you saying light is always a wave.
I would favour your theory if it wasn't for torah similes such as parent, born, family, father and son. Also breast, womb and compassion. Also medium. Many words that light alone cannot account for.
Surely there has to be poetry similes for your view?
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Post by Dave on Mar 31, 2021 14:48:47 GMT -5
So the Father expresses Himself as another projection, called a SON. Do you have a simile of that idea?
Never heard of an object that changes into something else and moves bodily across space as a separate and talking Being?
Let's see, light leaves its source and moves across space and time as a separate particle of light, but than you quash this idea of mine helping you saying light is always a wave.Absolute rubbishLight leaves it source – travels through empty space as a wave – and is measurable as a particle when it interacts with another object LOOK IT UP – Stop using your 8th grade science to make a point Grow up – go to school – learn - and stop playing games This is Physics 101 – 9th grade high school Google search - 'does light travel through space as a particle'About 79,100,000 results (0.90 seconds) www.factmonster.com/dk/encyclopedia/science-and-technology/lightDK Science & Technology HOW DOES LIGHT TRAVEL?Light travels as a wave. But unlike sound waves or water waves, it does not need any matter or material to carry its energy along. This means that light can travel through a vacuum?a completely airless space.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 1:52:39 GMT -5
phys.org/news/2015-03-particle.htmlThe first ever photograph of light as both a particle and wave (Phys.org)—Light behaves both as a particle and as a wave. Since the days of Einstein, scientists have been trying to directly observe both of these aspects of light at the same time. Now, scientists at EPFL have succeeded in capturing the first-ever snapshot of this dual behavior Quantum mechanics tells us that light can behave simultaneously as a particle or a wave. However, there has never been an experiment able to capture both natures of light at the same time; the closest we have come is seeing either wave or particle, but always at different times. Taking a radically different experimental approach, EPFL scientists have now been able to take the first ever snapshot of light behaving both as a wave and as a particle. The breakthrough work is published in Nature Communications. When UV light hits a metal surface, it causes an emission of electrons. Albert Einstein explained this "photoelectric" effect by proposing that light – thought to only be a wave – is also a stream of particles. Even though a variety of experiments have successfully observed both the particle- and wave-like behaviors of light, they have never been able to observe both at the same time. A research team led by Fabrizio Carbone at EPFL has now carried out an experiment with a clever twist: using electrons to image light. The researchers have captured, for the first time ever, a single snapshot of light behaving simultaneously as both a wave and a stream of particles. The experiment is set up like this: A pulse of laser light is fired at a tiny metallic nanowire. The laser adds energy to the charged particles in the nanowire, causing them to vibrate. Light travels along this tiny wire in two possible directions, like cars on a highway. When waves traveling in opposite directions meet each other they form a new wave that looks like it is standing in place. Here, this standing wave becomes the source of light for the experiment, radiating around the nanowire. Well, well the 8th grade student has proof that light is indeed travelling as a particle and also as a wave. Dave if the elohiym power wanted to express the idea of the Most High expressing itself as three expressions, one could easily do so by making the following similes Elohiym is light (we have this Bible text... very good) Elohiym power so love the world that the red light gave his blue light in order to save the world from sin, that whosoever believes in the blue light also believe in the red light who sent it. Also this In the beginning was the rays of of light, and the rays was light. The light was with elohiym from the beginning. The light became flesh and dwelt with man. Now does the Scripture make these kinds of similes? No, it doesn't. Instead Scripture makes elohiym as light, but light is also a family. Than scripture makes similes of love, and similes of a father and a son, like a father and mother caring for her children. Such similes makes elohiym more personal. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 4, 2021 5:38:46 GMT -5
(Phys.org)—Light behaves both as a particle and as a wave. Since the days of Einstein, scientists have been trying to directly observe both of these aspects of light at the same time. Now, scientists at EPFL have succeeded in capturing the first-ever snapshot of this dual behavior Robert – you do not grasp the meaning of the English you read 1- Light travels as a wave (completely undetectable and unmeasurable) 2- only when it interacts with another object does it demonstrate its particle properties 3- the act of observation is an interactionQuantum mechanics tells us that light can behave simultaneously as a particle or a wave. However, there has never been an experiment able to capture both natures of light at the same time; the closest we have come is seeing either wave or particle, but always at different times. Taking a radically different experimental approach, EPFL scientists have now been able to take the first ever snapshot of light behaving both as a wave and as a particle. The breakthrough work is published in Nature Communications. the closest we have come is seeing either wave or particle, but always at different times. – DUHthe first ever snapshot of light – is an interactive action to measureWhen UV light hits a metal surface, it causes an emission of electrons. Albert Einstein explained this "photoelectric" effect by proposing that light – thought to only be a wave – is also a stream of particles. Even though a variety of experiments have successfully observed both the particle- and wave-like behaviors of light, they have never been able to observe both at the same time. Correct – light behaves as a waver However – when it interacts with onlther object it is measurable as a particle A research team led by Fabrizio Carbone at EPFL has now carried out an experiment with a clever twist: using electrons to image light. The researchers have captured, for the first time ever, a single snapshot of light behaving simultaneously as both a wave and a stream of particles. Cool – the measurement of light captures it corporeal properties As all have said in all the text books - light is a wave that can be measured as a particle when it interacts with another objectThe experiment is set up like this: A pulse of laser light is fired at a tiny metallic nanowire. The laser adds energy to the charged particles in the nanowire, causing them to vibrate. Light travels along this tiny wire in two possible directions, like cars on a highway. When waves traveling in opposite directions meet each other they form a new wave that looks like it is standing in place. Here, this standing wave becomes the source of light for the experiment, radiating around the nanowire. When the iwo wave fronts meet and interact – then were able to measure this interactionWell, well the 8th grade student has proof that light is indeed travelling as a particle and also as a wave.Correction – as all have said and all the text books say Light travels as a wave – and is measurable as a particle when it interacts with another objectPlease return to the 8th grade version of the double slit experimentIf light travels as a particle – as you claim The tiny particles would have passed straight through the slit and stuck the detector un effected by the slit The tiny particles would have passed through the slit like bullets on the way to their target But this does not happen – because light does not travel as a particle Instead it travels as a wave and when it passes through the slit – it behave exactly as a wave ------------ Dave if the elohiym power wanted to express the idea of the Most High expressing itself as three expressions, one could easily do so by making the following similes Elohiym is light (we have this Bible text... very good) E = the source of the light Light = the E traveling through a distance (Spirit) The corporeal Photon Particle (form - Christ) is the result of the light interacting with creation
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 15:58:14 GMT -5
Dave as a science person, you are difficult to talk too. I showed you a link saying light can travel as a particle and a wave, but you nit pick me and say yes, but not both at the same time simultaneously DUH, of course not. Try agreeing with me sometimes instead of nit picking all the time Your double slit experiment is not showing all the travels of light. Light leaves the source as a particle, hits the first slit, that is narrower than the particles width, hence moves through the slit as a wave, and through the second slit as a wave. And hence we get patterns of shadows on the screen. Make the first slit too wide, the particles of light past on through and no spreading out is seen by the light, because particles of light do not spread out, they travel in straight lines. I explain this in simple terms Dave, because I prefer simple talk, detailed yes, but not simplistic. A quote from Einstein. This duality of light, having two natures is important feature in explaining elohiym power. The Shadday is the particle form of the feminine personality of love, and the HS is the wave form of the feminine personality of love. There are two Hebrew words for love, ahab and ahabauh. You say love can exist on it's own. Elohiym is energy. Can energy be generated from it's own? Give me an example of this idea? Electricity requires providers and responders, cathode and anode Lightning requires charged providers and charged responders, the energy travels between both providers and responders (collectors) Heat is the radiation of particles jumping from one excited level to another excited level. This is a more difficult quantum structure to explain, but I am sure there are two structures that cause this process. Sound energy is the vibration of a string between two ends and the movement of waves based on patterns. This is a more difficult quantum structure to explain, but I am sure there are two structures that cause this process. I have an open mind, explain to me energy created on it's own, is this possible? Or is the Great Uncaused Cause, relational? Or is the Great Uncaused Cause, solitary? Light is not solitary, a family of electromagnetic spectrum's. Light is relational. A wonderful simile about GOD. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 4, 2021 19:50:57 GMT -5
I showed you a link saying light can travel as a particle and a wave, but you nit pick me Try agreeing with me sometimes instead of nit picking all the time OK – agreement is easyYour double slit experiment is not showing all the travels of light.
Light leaves the source as a particle, hits the first slit, that is narrower than the particles width, hence moves through the slit as a wave, and through the second slit as a wave. And hence we get patterns of shadows on the screen.I cannot agree to this because you are just absolutely wrongand this is not even cpmplex physics This duality of light, having two natures is important feature in explaining elohiym power. The duality of light = it travels as a wave – and is measurable as a particle when it interacts with another object You say love can exist on it's own.YES Robert – a lot of love is unrequitedElohiym is energy. Can energy be generated from it's own? Give me an example of this idea? I have an open mind, explain to me energy created on it's own, is this possible?No one created God – The E preexist – eternal by our definition and our view is the only one we haveYou call yourself a Christian and ask – who created God
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 14:05:20 GMT -5
I cannot agree to this because you are just absolutely wrong
Hmm? We disagree yet again. Dave I showed you the science, light is both a wave and a particle, just not both at the same time simultaneously. Do you agree with this? The findings of the science link I gave you?
So why do you think light begins it's journey through space as a wave? I say light leaves the light source as a particle, and only becomes a wave when hitting some matter close to it. I was taught light travels in straight rays omnipresently as straight rays in a 3D volume of space, not omnipresent as waves spreading in a 3D volume. Which is it?
Your last statement is correct, nothing created GOD. SO either GOD is relational from all eternity or not relational from all eternity. Love cannot function with solitary. Therefore GOD must be relational. Therefore GOD is a person (particle) not a wave (spirit), but functions as a spirit when in close contact to humans of matter. Just my two cents worth.
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Post by Dave on Apr 6, 2021 4:58:32 GMT -5
Hmm? We disagree yet again. Dave I showed you the science, light is both a wave and a particle, just not both at the same time simultaneously. Do you agree with this? The findings of the science link I gave you?
(wiki) Light or visible light is electromagnetic radiation within the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be perceived by the human eye.
The electromagnetic spectrum is vast – visible light is a very small aspect of that electromagnetic spectrum. The sun was not created until Day 4. The LIGHT of Gen 1:3 has nothing to do with visible light. LIGHT = the entire electromagnetic spectrum on a scale man has not fully considered yet
At the smallest levels – this electromagnetic spectrum sustains all creation The RIDDLE OF STEEL – is it hard and sharp? No it is an array of tiny little packets of E that exist in a Trinity of form – electrons, protons, and neutrons Smash one of those tine packets of E and you see a Trinity of quarks – 2 that spin the same + one that spins opposite The RIDDLE OF STEEL – is it hard and sharp? No it is an array of tiny little packets of separated by vast quantities of empty space – the space between the molecules – the space between the atoms – the space between those sub-atomic particles = a Trinity of tiny packets of E
So why do you think light begins it's journey through space as a wave? Electromagnetic radiation is not matter – it is a vibration It is the sound of the WORD reverberating throughout the multi-verse that sustains all creation at the sub-sub-atomic level
I say light leaves the light source as a particle, and only becomes a wave when hitting some matter close to it. And you are absolutely incorrect
I was taught light travels in straight rays omnipresently as straight rays in a 3D volume of space, not omnipresent as waves spreading in a 3D volume. Which is it? Then you were taught wrong When you turn on a light in a dark room why does all the room become illuminated – as in 360 omnipresent washed in light – or does the light from your bulb in Australia shoot out like a lazer and illuminate only one spot on the floor or wal?
Therefore GOD is a person (particle) not a wave (spirit) God is not composed of matter – why do you think God is only biology – a particle thing of creation
God in the form of creation = Christ God amou8ng the people = Spirit God on His throne = God
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 14:28:57 GMT -5
D" Then you were taught wrong When you turn on a light in a dark room why does all the room become illuminated – as in 360 omnipresent washed in light – or does the light from your bulb in Australia shoot out like a lazer and illuminate only one spot on the floor or wal? R" light enters space in 3D as rays in 3D travelling as particles, not as waves.
Polarized is particles moving in one direction.
Unpolarised is light moving all over the place as single rays of particles. It only is assumed to move as a wave.
D" God is not composed of matter R" Hmm? not sure Dave matter is a derivative of energy yes, but I suppose GOD is both energy and matter.
It says GOD has a shape, thus only matter has boundaries.
Biology is a different thread... sure GOD is not biology... whatever that means
It's a mystery...
If light was a wave, why is the night sky black with pin pricks of rays, rather than fuzzy clouds of light from stars?
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2021 6:23:34 GMT -5
R" light enters space in 3D as rays in 3D travelling as particles, not as waves.www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/what-makes-a-light-bulb-light-up#:~:text=When%20a%20light%20bulb%20connects,small%20packets%20of%20visible%20light. When a light bulb connects to an electrical power supply, an electrical current flows from one metal contact to the other. As the current travels through the wires and the filament, the filament heats up to the point where it begins to emit photons, which are small packets of visible light. A light bulb emits - Photons = small packets of lightchem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Quantum_Mechanics/02._Fundamental_Concepts_of_Quantum_Mechanics/PhotonsA photon is a tiny particle that comprises waves of electromagnetic radiation. As shown by Maxwell, photons are just electric fields traveling through space. Photons have no charge, no resting mass, and travel at the speed of light. Photon = waves of electromagnetic radiationPolarized is particles moving in one direction. Unpolarised is light moving all over the place as single rays of particles. It only is assumed to move as a wave.WAVEwww.physicsclassroom.com/class/light/Lesson-1/Polarization#:~:text=Polarized%20light%20waves%20are%20light,of%20methods%20of%20polarizing%20light. Polarized light waves are light waves in which the vibrations occur in a single plane. WAVE(wiki) Polarization is a property applying to transverse waves that specifies the geometrical orientation of the oscillations. In a transverse wave, the direction of the oscillation is perpendicular to the direction of motion of the wave. WAVELight does not become a particle until it interacts with another object And why is it considered a particle then – because it translates inertia to that other object The amount of energy absorbed buy that other object = the mass of the photon calculated as wavelength/frequency Light travels as a wave – until it interacts with another object – that interaction can be measures as a particle The act of measuring that wave yields it particle form – because you interact with it Do not confuse ‘packets of energy’ as a hard thing particle If light was a wave, why is the night sky black with pin pricks of rays, rather than fuzzy clouds of light from stars?Wait for it – and the answer is – it is awash of light It is full of light of many different wavelengths – The reason you cannot see it is because of intensity The reason you can’t see it is reflectivity – the light man sees is a reflection Have you ever seen the Milkyway? Flatlanders that come here - where the atm is thin and there is no residual lights at all - and they are amazed at the night sky D" God is not composed of matter R" Hmm? not sure Dave Pagan answer – I worship the One True Creator not a created thing
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2021 9:22:58 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the Milkyway? Flatlanders that come here - where the atm is thin and there is no residual lights at all - and they are amazed at the night sky View AttachmentI was just checking the new feed for today – and here is this story www.outtherecolorado.com/news/colorado-national-park-designated-as-international-dark-sky-site/article_6dc93cd4-96e8-11eb-91f7-3fb8fc0826b4.htmlColorado national park designated as 'international dark sky site'Mesa Verde National Park has been designated as one of the best places on the planet to see the night sky – YES – the stars light up the ground enough you can drive or hike without a light ------------------------------------------------------ Let me share with you some of my Gnostic cosmologyMost of the Christians I meet in American church are “OUT OF TOUCH” with reality They go to school and learn 8th grade science – they watch football – work hard – play hard – struggle against the system – complain about their government Then on Sunday Morning – they go to church looking for God ‘Recognize what is in your sight’ – A quotation of Jesus Christ – after the resurrection (Nag Hammadi ) To that I’ll add Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (ARCHON), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist when the times are evil, and after you have done everything, to stand firm. Eph 6:14 Stand firm then! Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, and put on the breastplate of righteousness. 1- our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (ARCHON) Call them Principalities – or shedim – demons – or Jinn – or shades 2- NAMES DON”T MATTER – they are all spiritual forces 3- the full armor of God – includes - the belt of truth around your waist 4- ‘Recognize what is in your sight’ ------------- Mesa Verde National Park Is a national monument because of the Clift Dwellings? Amazing place – don’t go in winter – it is all 100% Biblical for meHistory = Homes built in the most impossible places – stepping holes carved into a cliff face as a ladder Not only at Mesa Verde but all over the 4 Corners area of the American West Why so defensible and why always 25 feet in the air They were built by the Azuni as fortifications from the Snake People Red Haired Giants that ate people Who appeared in America after the gods of South America lost favor The gods of South America that demanded large numbers of human sacrifice Who appeared in South America around the time of King Saul of Israel Who was near the end of cleansing the Levant of the Rephiem and their gods (archon) The Rephiem and their gods –as in Og, Goliath and his 4 brothers – and their gods Bal and Molech The gods of the Lavant that demanded ritual human sacrifice The Rephiem – the post Flood remint of the Nephilim of Gen 6 (archon) Who are allowed to remain (Jubilees 10) in smaller numbers Who are allowed to infest the Lavant Gen 15:16 Then in the fourth generation they will return here—for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” AND WHY ARE THESE ARCHON still with usJdg 2:1 Now the angel of Adonai came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and He said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and took you into the land which I swore to your fathers. I also said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” AND WHY WERE THEY THERE to begin withGen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed (archon)and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.” This is the Contest – the Gnostic ContestIt is not a ritual – it is not scripture that happened in the past or will happen in the future – but is happening right now today – and throughout history So what about Mesa Verde todayJust south of it is the Azuni Reservation – home of Sky City Up until the 1970s to drive to Sky City you had to go south on HWY666 South East of it is Dulce N.M and Los Animas Labs Just North of it is Salida Colorado – home to ET’s Landing Richard’s family saw a UFO just North of Salida I live at the intersection of I25 and Hwy 160 on that map and I have local Newspaper clippings of cattle mutilations by aliens Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (ARCHON), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 1- our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (ARCHON) Call them Principalities – or shedim – demons – or Jinn – or shades 2- NAMES DON”T MATTER – they are all spiritual forces 3- the full armor of God – includes - the belt of truth around your waist 4- ‘Recognize what is in your sight’Scripture is not something I read about - it is reality and we are living it Just as the Jews lived through the ahl
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 13:45:40 GMT -5
You present something interesting, detailed and real, no wonder you believe the way you do. Thanks for the share. As for light being a wave nature packaged into a shape like a particle, I am happy with that idea, as long as you are also. wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/01/16/is-light-a-particle-or-a-wave/#:~:text=Public%20Domain%20Image%2C%20source%3A%20Christopher%20S.%20Baird.%20In,a%20metaphor%2C%20consider%20a%20cylindrical%20can%20of%20beans I quote" In an approximate way, light is both a particle and a wave. But in an exact representation, light is neither a particle nor a wave, but is something more complex.I can relate to that idea too. I quote" Light sometimes acts like a wave and sometimes acts like a particle, depending on the situation. This only makes sense if you accept that light is something more complex; something that from a certain perspective looks wave-like and from another perspective looks particle-like. So what really is light? The question is hard to answer without delving into complex mathematics. COmplex maths, Hmm? beyond me I quote" Light is a complex-valued probability distribution that has quantized (discrete) properties such as energy. The smallest piece of light is called a photon. Like a wave, a photon experiences diffraction (bending around corners), interference (fringed patterns), refraction (bending when entering a material), reflection, dispersion (wave-shape spreading), coherence (lining up of phases), and has a frequency. Like a particle, a photon contains a fixed energy, a fixed momentum, a fixed spin, and can be measured to have a single fixed location in space. The wave-like and particle-like traits of a photon trade off according to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. This means that the more you force a photon to act like a particle, for instance by confining it in a small box thereby lowering the uncertainty in its position, the less it acts like a wave.He defines light as "a complex-valued probability distribution that has quantized (discrete) properties such as energy." Interesting. I quote " This means that a single photon goes through both slits at the same time, interferes with itself in a wave-like way upon emerging from the slits, and then makes a single mark on the plate in a particle-like way. If this sounds nonsensical to you, it is because you are still picturing the photon as just a particle or a wave. Because the photon is a fluctuating probability distribution with quantized properties, it can do all these things in a completely sensible way.I have not heard of this before, weird. Light is neither a wave nor a particle, but has the elements of both when light chooses to do so? Hmm? Now He is taking light beyond something we cannot fathom? I quote " Amazingly, all quantum objects from electrons to protons behave as quantized probability distributions, and not just photons. If you find a quantum particle/wave hard to visualize, don't let this difficulty tempt you to dismiss quantum theory as nonsense. Quantum theory has been experimentally verified in hundreds of laboratories for almost a century now. Additionally, the semiconductor chip inside the computer you have in front of you right now crucially depends on quantum theory being right. To dismiss quantum theory as quackery because its concepts are hard to visualize is to say that computers don't exist.Quantum theory is our answer to light? Hmm? Again moving GOD into a world that cannot be defined. I don't mind that either, as a simile is just that, a simple child like comparison of something more complex pictured as something more simple for humans to relate to. Similar but not the same as. We have strange Hebrew contexts" Elohiym ruwach, for instance. Means what? Why is this not a Hebrew construct state, Two nouns side by side. Many read this as GOD is spirit. Hence GOD is a wave function. Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.(KJV) The HS is a wave, yet assumes a shape, just as the Father has a shape no humans has ever seen. No human has ever heard the Most High speak either. The only shape humans have ever seen, the only voice humans have every heard is the Son of Man, also the Son of GOD. I liked the image of the four corners of the USA, many torah speak of four corners. Interesting Dave. thanks. D" ‘ Recognize what is in your sight’ – A quotation of Jesus Christ – after the resurrection (Nag Hammadi )
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Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (ARCHON), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.R well said and presented. You call this a contest. I would call it a controversy . Today is remembrance of Jewish Holocaust Day, the 6 million lives that were lost. Thanks for a great read Dave. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2021 15:18:19 GMT -5
You present something interesting, detailed and real, no wonder you believe the way you do. Thanks for the share.I want to make a point here Most Christianity forces you to TAKE SIDESYou cannot accept creationism (AS PRESENTED) without disregarding common sense Don Patton’s Spider is not science at all – it is deception and a lie You cannot be a Catholic unless you embrace satan as a strong authority Catholics and Protestants have been fighting a real war of bloodshed against one another since Martin Luther A house divided – at war with itself Divide and conquer – spiritual warfare 101 Gnosticism adds a dimension of common sense and reason to religionAll things must pint to the Creator and His creation Things only happened one way – God’s way As for light being a wave nature packaged into a shape like a particle, I am happy with that idea, as long as you are also. I quote" Light sometimes acts like a wave and sometimes acts like a particle, depending on the situation. 1- Light travels as a wave – (zero mass + takes up no space = not matter) 2- but when light interacts with something else – it translates momentum/ inertia Example when a photo strikes a solar panel an electron is moved The energy of that impact is a measurable thing – The result of that impact is measurable as one particle striking another Therefore the particle of the photon is simple a measure if its electromotive force It has no mass and takes up no space – yet is measurable as a particle when it interacts 3- also – and this was spooky for Einstein – the zero mass and takes up no space wave of light Is also effected by gravity as if it was as a particle – light bends around stars But light definitely travels as a wave You do not see radio waves – you only measure their interaction with your radio When light leaves the light bulb – you cannot see that light – until it interacts with an object – the wall or the floor The light we see is always a reflection off of something else And color – is always the opposite of what man sees Green trees absorb red light – we only see the reflected compliment – green You ask why isn’t the night sky white with lightExample the moon – Why do we see the moon – because it reflects sunlight back to earth Why is the moon illuminated by the light – but the space around it is not Answer - the moon reflects the light – the moon interacts with the light The empty space around the moon has nothing in it to interact with the light The light of the sun keep moving past the moon in a straight line – sure And eventually it will interact with something out there – but the intensity of that reflection is too dim for us to see When you look up in the night sky – you are not seeing light from distant stars and suns All you see is the interaction of that light with our atm 2 things happen – it absorbs dims the intensity of that light and scatters it into the fuzzy image we see Example – try looking up at the stars in a field of street lights – what do you see – a few maybe Come to a mountain top where the nears electric light bulb is 40 miles away and the night sky illuminates the ground enough to see where you are going (not every night – clear cold nights) Example – why don’t you see stars in the night sky in pictures taken on the moon The moon’s surface is one giant street light reflecting sunlight Complex maths, Hmm? beyond meYES – and the math is called wave mechanicsHe defines light as "a complex-valued probability distribution that has quantized (discrete) properties such as energy." Interesting.YES -= exactly like an electronYou can measure an electrons energy – but never its location In elementary school we learned the Rutherford model of an atom – a nucleus with an orbiting electron like a moon But we know this it be a child’s model Heisenberg said the electron is moving so fast in its orbit No matter where you measure it – there it is and there is aint Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle Mathematically – an electron is not a particle – it is a cloud of energy I have not heard of this before, weird. Light is neither a wave nor a particle, but has the elements of both when light chooses to do so? Hmm? Now He is taking light beyond something we cannot fathom?YES! The Riddle of Steel – the hard sharp sword is nothing more and many little nonexistent clouds of energy I quote "Amazingly, all quantum objects from electrons to protons behave as quantized probability distributions, and not just photons. YES! – photons / electrons/ and now with the Hadron collider protonsQuantum theory is our answer to light? Hmm? Again moving GOD into a world that cannot be defined.Spiritual not corporealElohiym ruwach, for instance. Means what? Why is this not a Hebrew construct state, Two nouns side by side. Many read this as GOD is spirit. Hence GOD is a wave function. Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. The HS is a wave, yet assumes a shape, just as the Father has a shape no humans has ever seen. No human has ever heard the Most High speak either. The only shape humans have ever seen, the only voice humans have every heard is the Son of Man, also the Son of GOD. So closeThe HS is not corporeal Correct – she is omnipresent just as light is always around us The HS is the spirit of God The only voice we have ever heard within ourselves = the Spirit of God The only voice we have heard with our biological ears = Christ – the image of God
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