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Post by Dave on Mar 2, 2021 15:14:55 GMT -5
D" Creation Science is not science - it is a religious doctrine There is no such thing as evolution in any formR let's start a new thread, and discuss what you mean? Who is Dr Brown? Planet earth did not go from ‘without form and void’ to the planet Earth we know today in one step’ There was nothing and God said let the earth and – poof earth of today appeared Sorry – Robert – there were many many steps between birth and completion D: "4- this planet has always been the same diameter THIS IS A HUGE QUESTION? Has planet earth always been the same size? R: Again you get bogged down in details.... who said I said the earth remained the same size? I didn't?Dr Walter Brown – Hydroplate theory – showcased by the CRID: "If the earth was larger as some of us believe – it would have rotated at a different rate R: It doesn't change the fact of "six yom" in the Hebrew Dave. Theories are theories.No Robert – it does not change the 6 God days of creationD: "The only ways ‘Island Pangea’ is possible is if it straddled a pole It is never presented this way – because it contradicts their method to explain how these continents swam all around the globe R: assumptions of the past?Why not the entire earth as land, and a few seas of fresh water here and there? Salt water did not exist. R: assumptions of the past? – the science as taught at university level TODAYAnd – of course – Planetoid Pangea at the heart of Gas Giant Protoplanet EarthD: "You will never have an explanation of why they are all L shaped territories Place these continents onto Planetoid Pangea and they straighten out into latitudes R: your picture is really cool thanks. Question - Do you see it – isn’t it obviousD: "ABSOLUTELY the biggest criticism to all expanding earth theories = what’s the mechanism that drives the expansion R: the flood underneath the earth?Not complete – in contradiction to at least 4 other science disciplines How is Hydroplate theory continuing to fuel the planetary movement and continues volcanismPlease as any volcanologist what they have to say about Dr BrownI have his work here – along with the IRC Foundation Trilogy I got my PhD with this thesis – I should have debated Bill Nye D: "The fountains of the deep burst forth – then it rained – because what goes up, must come down R: a canopy of water vapour existed above earth, shielding the rays of sunlight, making earth balmy. And – of course – Planetoid Pangea at the heart of Gas Giant Protoplanet EarthD: "My view of reality – includes all the data – no pseudoscience R you call CMI science false science? Because it lacks credibility to you? CMI has many theories on the past too. Your bogged down with them. I do not. CMI has pseudoscientific theories – that do not fit – anyone’s reality except theirs (Wiki) Brown has stated that no "evolutionist" will publicly debate with him, And he will no answer my emails – and the CRI would not even read my work because they already have a theory- and they will not listen to anyone trying to discredit Brown WHAT – this is what open scrutiny is all about Put your idea out there and defined it(Wiki) the National Center for Science Education journal, TRIED to discuss Brown’s work publically -1989/90 Brown accused by opponents of complicating such debates.[14][19][20] An abortive attempt at such a debate was held in 1989 and 1990 in the pages of Creation/Evolution, before Brown refused to continue ZERO respect for Brown as a true scientist – unwilling to discuss his work ZERO respect for CRI who would not even look at anything that might threaten his workCRI – is not a Research Origination – it is an agenda promotion center D: "ZERO respect for Brown as a true scientist – unwilling to discuss his workR: give me a link, and I will read his work...This is how research is supposed to work1 – you have an idea 2- you publish Why do you publish – to educate the world that you are right? – NO! You publish- so your peers can rip your ideas to shred – and prove you wrong 3- if others can punch holes in your argument – then your ideas either fall apart 4- if others cannot punch holes – then their arguments only add support to your argument 5- over time the idea grows and develops = or falls by the way side Walter Brown is only published in one place – CRI CRI self publishes his Brown’s work – Book – from Amazon the Hard Copy is $80USD The only other place you can see his work is On-Line at CRI You cannot print it out – you can only accesses a few paragraphs at a time My FD-WEDT – is not a standalone theory – Whole Earth Decompression Dynamics (WEDD) is published in several scientific journals WEDD – is published – begging for peer review WEDD – is real (recognized) science from a real (recognized) scientist – published a real (recognized) scientific literature My – FD-WEDT – is an addendum – to WEDDIF WEDD is correct – then FD-WEDT is the next logical step I spent a lot of money trying to be published = but I say God – I infer God – I defend scripture No scientific journal will touch me Dr Herndon counseled me to this reality – but I will not down play the scripture validation I also self-published through Amazon Why Amazon – because it makes me available at Barn’s and Noble – and several outlets in other languages My book price is governed by Amazon – my royalty = minimum My theory is available in PDF or at my website where is can be freely downloaded If I have your address – I would send you a copy for free Walter Brown is only published in one place – CRI
Need a link please, can't find link? I take it you do not like Institute for Creation Science
www.icr.org/article/why-mosquitoes-attack-mystery-solved/ Their articles on mossies was brilliant They support a fallen world They support mozzies originally ate plant nectar, sensed CO2 and heat from plant flowers Amazing.
www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/HydroplateOverview2.html But first, what is a hydroplate? Before the global flood, an ocean of water was under Earth’s crust. Pressure increases in this subterranean water ruptured that crust, breaking it into plates. The escaping water flooded the Earth. Because hydro means water, those crustal plates will be called hydroplates. Where and why they broke, how they moved, and hundreds of other details and evidence—all consistent with the laws of physics—explain so many of Earth’s primary features and constitute the hydroplate theory.
Interesting theory.
www.amazon.com/Beginning-Compelling-Evidence-Creation-Flood/dp/1878026089/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=dr+walter+brown&qid=1602687484&sr=8-2 LOVE THIS BOOK! I give VERY few 5 star reviews, but this is put together in a way that's very useable, but in doing some fact checking, it really gets to the truth (whether you like it or not). And after all, isn't that what we SHOULD be in search of...the truth? I bought this copy for a friend that hasn't studied much in the way of physics, astronomy, geology, or any of the hard rock sciences. But, I felt after reading, studying, and fact checking this book it presented the subject in a way she could, and would understand. The science is good, and the presentation friendly. Agree, disagree, but take a look!
Pity you can't read some pages of his theory for free
[/font]. [/quote] I take it you do not like Institute for Creation ScienceI have worked in research of some type for the last 28 yrs of my professional career I have attended Bible Studies with Doctors and PhDs that spoke so far over my head to embarrasse scripture If – you lie to me – why should I listen to you? Especially – when we are discussion the Lord – and our quest for communion Research is published for peer review – it is the only way it receives respect CRI is a church – nothing moreIt is a 501C3 tax exempt church – collecting donations – and maintaining their buildings and grounds Churches do not have to engage other theologians – each church has its own view that it promotesFrom their web-siteWho We Are The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) wants people to know that God’s Word can be trusted in everything it speaks about—from how and why we were made, to how the universe was formed, Interesting – what the world truly needs – scientific proof that will cause every scientist from every scientific discipline to fall on their knees to GodAfter 50 years of ministry, ICR remains a leader in scientific research within the context of biblical creation. You understand what they are saying don’t youI Dave am the leading science expert in the realm of DaveResearch. ICR conducts laboratory, field, theoretical, and library research on projects that seek to understand the science of origins and Earth history. ICR scientists have conducted multi-year research projects at key locations such as Grand Canyon, Mount St. Helens, Yosemite Valley, and Santa Cruz River Valley in Argentina, and on vital issues like Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE), Flood-Activated Sedimentation and Tectonics (FAST), the human genome, soft tissue in fossils, and other topics related to geology, genetics, astro/geophysics, paleoclimatology, paleobiochemistry, and much more. Where is it posted? – Why isn’t your research in the mainstream science literature? Why –is the only source to your research is you Education. ICR offers formal courses of instruction and conducts seminars and workshops, as well as other means of instruction. With 40 years’ experience in education, first through our California-based science education program (1981–2010) and now with programs offered through the School of Biblical Apologetics, Hey – this is cool – they teach their theories in mainstream education in CaliforniaSchool of Biblical Apologetics, - About Our School The School of Biblical Apologetics (SOBA) is a formal education arm of the Institute for Creation Research. (For more on ICR's purposes, see Who We Are.) Again – I – Dave – am the leading Dave expert – and I validate myself The Creation Research Institute is NOT a research center – stop thinking that it is CRI is a church – nothing more It is a 501C3 tax exempt church – collecting donations – and maintaining their buildings and grounds Churches do not have to engage other theologians – each church has its own view that it promotes www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/HydroplateOverview2.htmlBut first, what is a hydroplate? Before the global flood, an ocean of water was under Earth’s crust. Pressure increases in this subterranean water ruptured that crust, breaking it into plates. The escaping water flooded the Earth. Because hydro means water, those crustal plates will be called hydroplates. Where and why they broke, how they moved, and hundreds of other details and evidence—all consistent with the laws of physics—explain so many of Earth’s primary features and constitute the hydroplate theory. Interesting theory.Pressure increases in this subterranean water ruptured that crust,Never a mechanism providedwww.amazon.com/Beginning-Compelling-Evidence-Creation-Flood/dp/1878026089/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=dr+walter+brown&qid=1602687484&sr=8-2LOVE THIS BOOK! I give VERY few 5 star reviews, A review from your fellow countryman at this forumI have a copy of Walt Brown's book, but I find it difficult to read due to the way the material is organized. His thoughts feel like an intellectual game of snakes and ladders. I found the videos easier to recognize his collective thoughts. Saying that, I agree with where he is heading with his energy release causing crypto-volcanic outbursts. I suspect that the Mid Ocean Ridge (MOR) is a result of the flood, and it is the catalyst for continent movement and seafloor spreading. The MOR must have appeared in embryo form from the very beginning, when dry land appeared on day 2 of creation. It was no doubt part of God's plan before man was even created to separate mankind into nations which were separated by oceans. I think God knew in advance that man was going to fall, and the earth was made to accommodate man's exercise of rebellion before the true bodies were given in the resurrection. God Bless Steve Pity you can't read some pages of his theory for free.Ponder that for a moment – Brown has proof that will cause all scientist to fall on their knees to the Lord and repent This has to be the most precious work since the aglAnd you can have a copy for only $79.95USDCRI is a church – nothing more I want to say something about Ken Ham - I didn’t know he was AustralianKen Ham left a position as a public school science teacher in Queensland, Australia, in 1979 Sunnybank Baptist in Brisbane, the pastor and deacons laid hands on Ken and Mally to set them apart to the work of what Ken was to eventually call the “Creation Science Foundation” (cofounded by John Mackay). In 1986, the Australian board of CSF believed that Mally and Ken had a calling from the Lord to move to the United States. Ken was loaned as a speaker to Dr. Henry Morris’s Institute for Creation Research (ICR) in California to help popularize ICR’s creation message around America I have the $350 3 volume set from the ICR - what a waste of money Ken Ham has done more to discredit the faith than most preachers He went on national television to debate Bill Nye the Science Guy Bill Nye had years of experience presenting views to a television audience Bill Nye had years of experience speaking about science Ken Ham has years of experience speaking to a closed - pro-Christian audience Ken Ham uses Biblical vocabulary Bill Nye made a fool of Ken Ham - Live on TV The Creation Institutes Museum closed afterwards Still trying to get it back open Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham - The Short Version youtu.be/HA3E8wpBO_I I would love to discuss De Brown and the International Creation Research Instituteponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/3/walter-brown-hydro-plate-theory
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2021 1:12:48 GMT -5
I read through your links, read the comments of Dillion and Steve. Interesting, but I have nothing I could add. Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham - The Short Version youtu.be/HA3E8wpBO_I Can I predict something in the Creation Model that Bill Nye demands? (1) Bacterial flagellum, if made from evolution should look random, but if designed by an Intelligent Designer, the cross section of the tail should look perfect. I could not find any scientist making a mutational tail cross-sectional view, so I had to make an image of a tail using Evolution Design paradigm.Such a design would have DNA sequences with random, non-symmetrial proteins, such they would not pack around the axis hole perfectly. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1123.htmI do not believe in evolution causing the changes evolution teaches. Evolution is really about the changes arriving from spoiling forces impacting Nature. And how God wrote in the Design, adaptive ability from many species to cope with changes should they occur, so much of evolution such as mirco-changes and natural selection is really an Intelligent Design model. I doubt we could discuss things, as our view of evidence may differ. As for Dr Brown, I know nothing of his works, nor much about your own ideas. It is respectful to consider other person's views. Shalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2021 10:35:46 GMT -5
I do not believe in evolution causing the changes evolution teaches. Evolution is really about the changes arriving from spoiling forces impacting Nature. And how God wrote in the Design, adaptive ability from many species to cope with changes should they occur, so much of evolution such as mirco-changes and natural selection is really an Intelligent Design model. You do not believe in evolution – but forms of evolution are responsible for things like natural selection Ha ha ha – giggle giggle – and you are the word manI doubt we could discuss things, as our view of evidence may differ.The difference being your doctrine – only has one non-peer reviewed closed sourceMy view (theory) – is open and in print – freely posted and published – and is open for peer review across all sciences It is my Theory –“The Fluid Dynamics of Whole earth Decompression” (FD-WEDT) is how I got my PhD and it is who I am 24/7 With the help of Dr J. Marvin Herndon – I could have been printed in several geological publications – but I refused to remove the scriptural implications As for Dr Brown, I know nothing of his works, You live and breathe his work if you follow creation ministries Dr Brown is the Darwin of Creation Science – which is only called a science because it refuses to be peer reviewednor much about your own ideas.1- Time is not linear – any discussion of time is stupid- 6 days could have been billions of years It all depends on how you measure it Time is relative - stands to this day as the best fit theory And there is a problem with scientific time I’ll explain later In my writing I am most comfortable with logarithmic time ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=relativity2- I embrace some form of the Big Bang - stands to this day as the best fit theory It began –(God created/fattened) then expanded (heavens) – then matter formed (earth) 3- Nebular Theory by Emmanuel Kant 1755 – stands to this day as the best fit theory As the primordial gasses cooled they coalesced into larger and larger particles 4- Standard Planet Formation Theory – Stanford University 1962 - stands to this day as the best fit theory As space rock coalesced into larger and larger balls a – the gravity well formed by this gathering of mass – compresses the core of the ball under tremendous pressures – which = temperatures – and the core of planets become liquefied b – then by a process called Mantel Convection – all rock is melted into a semisolid allowing the heavy elements to sink to the core c – this process of ‘mantel convection’ is also responsible for erasing all the lumps and clumps of the initial space rock 5 – Alongside Standard Planet formation Theory – colleges add The science of – plate tectonics (Werner 1912) – geology – and Volcanology (Sir William Hamilton 1779 – first scientific paper on the 1660 eruption of Vesuvius) The Problem with Standard Planet Formation Theorya – just looking at our own solar system – the Standard Theory is NOT COMPLETE Our Moon is the best example of the Standard Theory It is lumpy – its density is uneven as is its gravity – suggesting than ‘mantel convection’ never occurred a major part of the Standard Theory It rock is much less dense than earth’s – formed under less pressures Moon is just a large space rock – of the same consistency as most space rock b – Venus is a good example of the Standard Theory Liquid iron core – strong magnetic field – mantel convection probably possible – volcanic surface – gaseous atm c – Earth is not like any other planet we know Broken crust into continental plates – separated by a much younger sea floor Question – regardless of how deep you dig – the ground is layered – why If you go to the Grand Canyon – you are told each layer = a lake bed = several hundred cycles Which require adding time – to the history time line Question – if ‘mantel convection’ is responsible for churning the earth into the geology we have – why isn’t 100% of the earth’s surface volcanic basalts? Instead – the surface is much denser base granite – and other harder rock than volcanic Question – why are large sections of coast line cracked – with fiords? Question – what explains the pacific Gap – or the Ring of Fire – or the oceanic trenches that look like large cracks into the interior of the planet Question – Plate Tectonics – what is the mechanism? The driving force Question – Volcanism – what is the mechanism? - and what explains the Siberian Traps Question – the ocean levels have been different in the past (drastically in some places) – what is the mechanism Also – for the size of earth today – why do we have a disproportionate amount of heavy elements And for funWhat explains the missing water on Mars – that was once there as oceans and rivers What explains why the inner planets are rocks and the outer planets are all gas giants And – what is the connection between the death of the dinosaur – a large impact crater – and the iridium layer all have in common The answers to all these question are addressed by Dr J. Marvin Herndon – a recognized – paten holding – published scientistWhole Earth Decompression Dynamics (WEDD) – Dr Herndon 20051- Earth formed originally by standard Planet Formation Theory as a large Gas Giant proto-planet – much like Jupiter 2- as space rock entered this proto-planet earth – it was consumed by the atm and “Rained Out” upon the rocky core of this gas giant in layers 3- The rocky core of this gas giant formed under tremendous pressures at the heart of a gas giant proto-planet 4- the rocky planetoid at the center of this gas giant – was a continuous crust – just like all planets we know 5- we all can see the Atlantic coast lines match together perfectly 6- The coast lines of the Pacific also match together perfectly – on a planet 65% our current diameter This was well know – Otto Hindenburg – made models in the 1930s but lacked a mechanish for what he called – Expanding Earth WEDDs answerOur sun experience a tetllerary event – it erupted – (Herndon suggested – it ignited) – sending a shock wave throughout the inner solar system blowing away their atms
Proto-planet earth – without it gas giant atm – then decompressed into the planet we have today Providing mechanism for Expanding Earth + volcanism + Plate Tectonics – and answers why the inner solar system is different than the outer solar system + answers why earth is unlike any other planet we know
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2021 10:57:20 GMT -5
What my theory – The Fluid Dynamics adds to this already published theory1- the atm before the decompression event was very different Scripture says – Firmament above – no rain – no rainbows And the fossil record suggest that it was all sort of tropical 2- the rocky ground of a proto-planet is under tremendous compression Artesian springs watering all the globe for the ground up Springs providing the waters for the 4 Rivers coming out of Eden 3- Before the decompression event – there is much evidence for an active biosphere Fossil records abound – Enoch It was the land of Gen 3-8 – before the Flood Nephilim – giants – men of renown – all flesh was corrupted – teaching heavenly knowledge to man – the art of potions and war 4- Standard Pangea Theory – has a Super Continent Pangea stuck on the side of today’s earth BOOM – this completely uneven distribution of weight on a spinning planet is impossible The Laws of Angular Momentum and Rotational Harmonics demands a balanced load Pangea was not a Super Continent island on a water world Pangea was – Planetoid Pangea at the heart of proto-planet earth At Decompressiona – the planet would have cracked open at it weakest fault lines – the 4 Rivers of Eden b – The gasses would have exploded from the ground – followed immediately by the fluids First the great fountains of the deep burst forth – then it rained c – This eruption of waters – FLOODED then Planetoid Pangea – to a depth that covered every mountain The Flood of Noah The ark not only was a boat – it was also a decompression chamber d – after the Flood – the waters did not recede instead – the continued decompression of the semi-solid Mantel - pushes the continental plates back up through the waters e – The decompression process would have been catastrophically rapid at first then slows over time and eventually crawls to an equilibrium (this is the second point I’ll bring up again) EVIDENCE Many –but here are a few I love 1- Sea Mounts – a volcanic hot spot oozing lava eventually builds a mound (mount) The taller and wider the mount = the time the hot spot oozed Then the sea floor moves – then the hot spot make a new mount Then the sea floor moves – and the mounts grow and grow in a straight line indicating the direction the sea floor is moving The size of each mount also = the time spent at each mount The Hawaii Sea Mount Chain starts at the zipper point in the Bearing Sea. The chain of mounts move straight south for while – then heads south east to end in the bigger and bigger mounts – as the decompression slows to a crawl – to form the 5 Hawaiian Island and that hot spot is still oozing 2- Missing soil – The American West is covered in towers and balanced rocks These towers stand 1000 feet tall and cover 6 American States They were formed as all the looser soils eroded away – the evidence of water erosion is obvious As a nature buff – where did all the missing soil go Answer – downstream – meaning the Colorado River That cut through the Grand Canyon - where did all that missing soil go Answer – downstream – meaning the Colorado River WOW – imaging the delta formed by all that soil washing downstream over time – Oops – no delta Asks again – where did all the missing soil go Answer – while the ground was under water (Flood) much of the soil became super saturated When the continent pushed its way up through the waters – the waters ran off the land carrying anything with it that would go Where did all the missing soil go and why is there no delta Answer – it was FLUSHED into the Pacific – in a catastrophic event
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2021 11:08:31 GMT -5
AND what of all those 100s of balance rocks that we are told survived the zillions of earthquakes necessary to grow the Rocky Mountains Answer – it was a catastrophic event – A magician can yank a tablecloth from under the china dishes I cannot – I would catastrophically throw most crashing to the floor – but one or three things might remain = balance rocks 3- why is the Pacific Gap so large Answer – rotational harmonics – the Asian land mass is so much larger than the Americas The planet rotates toward the east – as the Americas pulled away from the heavier Asia the gap widened Pacific Ring of Fire – secondary decompression cracks in the mantel (this is the second point I’ll bring up again)The decompression process would have been catastrophically rapid at first then slows over time and eventually crawls to an equilibrium 1- as systems reach equilibrium it is never a steady state Blow air into a balloon – the rubber over-expands – then retracts just a little As earth reached it equilibrium – you would expect a time of geological stability – as in the last 10,000 years – followed by a period of retraction 2- what forces cause these future maps YES – retraction – sink holes – etc is a part But Ponder this: The earth bulges at the equator – centrifugal force at the equator cause the water of the oceans to bulge 400 feet – just like a tidal pull Imagine a small tilt in our axis – the equator line would move and so would the bulge Land does not have to sink – to be submerged by a shifting bulge And there is a problem with scientific time I’ll explain laterThe math makes a primary assumption – the concentration of things in the past were then same as today – and this become a constant The assumption says – how much of a thing was there in the ancient days – then it answers itself says – yesterday = today How much is there – (minus) amount of decay = time elapsed WEDD and FD-WEDT suggest their assumption is wrong – there was a lot more of things in the past we were a gas giant proto-planet Therefore their math adds a telescoping effect to the timeline Their time line into the past is not linear – it begins to telescope the farther back in time they go
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2021 11:13:18 GMT -5
How does all this fit into the 6 Days of CreationPerfectly – there is time for everythingZERO evolution – creatures reproduce after their kind – no adapting – no natural selection – no evolution This is evident in the fossil record – species appeared – reproduced after its own kind – then died out There are no missing-links creatures anywhere God created the world in 6 days = this statement in itself = incremental time Incremental Creation - God did not do it all at once Each day he did new and different things building eventually to man This is exactly what the fossil record suggest The only difference is that when Darwin saw it – he couldn’t see it as scripture Today we have more evidence than Darwin – no one teaches Darwin any more Today – evolution is a science of its own – based on, but not consistent with Darwin Today – in the science of bio-chemistry / genetics – no one really believes in evolution Millions of creatures were created – one by one – over timeThey all lived – reproduced after their own kind – and then died – many even died out (extinct) Nature – in valance – between tov and ra Cycles of birth – life – death – and rebirth Intelligent design – discoverable in every microscope and every telescope Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— Job 40:15 “Look now at Behemoth, which I made along with you. He eats grass like an ox. Job 41 – Leviathan Gen 1 man = animal man At the time of the flood – there were as many as 8 different humanoid creatures alive on earth After the flood – only Homo sapiens man survived – the lineage of Adam The Memoirs of NoahGrandfather Noah live 350 tears after the flood The number one question to him by his grandchildren = tell us what it was like before the flood Answer – there were spirit beings openly dominating the world About 200 of them – with 20 major players – and one central leader They fathered demi-gods (Nephilim) - They fathered – (or made) chimeras They were family units – with marriages and offspring These archon – acted as gods over man – using man for pleasure Man fed the gods – built temples to house the gods = man were the soldiers for the gods in their infighting wars There were demi-gods + sorcery and witchcraft + mechanized art of war + war lords + trolls + troglodytes + dinosaurs (Behemoths and Leviathans) Today – our cultural memories of this place – (the Memoirs of Noah) - we call Middle Earth Hobbits – Lord of the Rings – dragons – chimeras – and evil Lords A time when aliens came from the heavens (space) and messed with man (ancient astronauts) A time when an advanced civilization – destroyed itself and sank beneath the waves – Atlantis Scientific evidence for this is staggering – all the evidence supports this version of Gen 1 – 9 Creation science – is in disagreement with every science known to manAll their publications are founded on Dr Walter Brown – a non-peer reviewed ‘science’ that claims to validate itselfAnd this is why you are unable to have this discussion You cling only to one religious source that cannot stand and scrutiny – therefore it does not allow itself to be peer reviewed You believe in a religious doctrine - that has zero bases in reality
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 3:46:49 GMT -5
D"And this is why you are unable to have this discussion R" Arrr no.
I can see we are sooo different in our views.
First off do not use this "All their publications are founded on Dr Walter Brown – a non-peer reviewed ‘science’ that claims to validate itself" Never heard of him, all my theories come from reading the torah, and the torah only.
Some differences I see already between us
D" Incremental Creation - God did not do it all at once Each day he did new and different things building eventually to man This is exactly what the fossil record suggest
R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. So all the animals including man was created on a single yom period of time, 24 hours of the rotating earth.
The fossil record did not happen until the great flood event, some 2400 years later after day 6.
Robert Gantry suggests the granite rocks were formed in less than 10 nanoseconds of time, otherwise one could not capture the plutonium halo decay rings in the zircon crystals.
So Creation of earth along with its animals was called into existence, rapidly. Jesus spoke and the matter moved according to His words.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2021 10:35:47 GMT -5
First off do not use this "All their publications are founded on Dr Walter Brown – a non-peer reviewed ‘science’ that claims to validate itself" Never heard of him, all my theories come from –
Robert Vance Gentry (July 9, 1933 – January 28, 2020) was an American young Earth ... Creation Ministries International (CMI); Creation Research Society (CRS); Creation Science Movement (CSM); All validated by – and dependent upon DR Walter Brown
D" Incremental Creation - God did not do it all at once Each day he did new and different things building eventually to man This is exactly what the fossil record suggest
R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. So all the animals including man was created on a single yom period of time, 24 hours of the rotating earth.
OK – Robert now we are back to Day 7 – this is still ongoing AND – from whose perspective are you only considering – OH YES only the biological view of this WORLD
2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day just passing by, or like a watch in the night.
Sorry Robert - 6 24hr days of creation is the fantasy of a childish Sunday School Again - Dr Walter Brown is a Religeous doctrine - NOT SCIENCE Again - all things must fit together - NOT you are right and every other scientist throught all histroy was all a part of a lying consperacy Again - you vegeterian shark commonets ate some of the most STUPID ideas I have ever encountered
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 13:44:38 GMT -5
2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day just passing by, or like a watch in the night.These two verses refer to relativity in time, something Einstein discovered but was already in Scripture; Ge 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, So things can look old in a single day. How is this possible? Well Gerald Schroeder, a Jewish scientist I might add, explains by terming this as " time stretches" as the cosmos expands from the Hand of God. So Schroeder notes the earth was created in six literal yom periods, that according to relativity could be 4.6 billions years old. And I do not see Schroeder following some Dr Walter Brown guy?? Barry Setterfield is another science person who talks about light moving faster more in the past, because his theory says, the speed of light is not some universal constant. So according to his theory, light was much faster in Creation days 1 to 3, so by day 4, 90% of the speed of light slows down to something we are familiar with. This creates the illusion of time as "Age" without changing the "yom" period of forward events. I suppose Setterfield is a Walter Brown supporter too, Hey? Barry's work I read way back in 1983. There are a body of young creationist scientists, and we do not believe in the earth being billions of years old, "literally as billions of yoms old". As for you mocking of sharks as herbivores, do sharks eat plants today? Well some species do... go figure? What about grass eating lions? Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: Notice the incredible event is mentioned twice. So all creatures in Eden were once all herbivores. Go figure ! There was a forum once done in 1975 if I remember to calculate the age of earth, using all different processes, and all the science people agreed the earth was less than 10,000 years old. Didn't like this video: www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=XCwdZGg2Wc4Got 1.27 in and stopped, time space matter (including energy) These are not the three fundamentals of the universe at all. Time is the movement of matter relative to matter, across space; so is not a fundamental at all. The conscious forward progression of events is something like time, but not the time science refers to. Time is difficult to define. Some say time does not exist, only the forward progression of events as conscious memory. Space, what is space? Is it not simply the movement of matter in something rather large? The zero point energy field is a extremely dense large field, that seems to me to be the very presence of GOD. So the movement of matter within GOD, does not imply GOD is just space. SO I feel space is a myth or misunderstanding of what GOD is really like. Many dismiss "ether", yet Einstein admits there is an "Ether", all matter travels inside the "essence of God" Matter? Matter is just some stuff that came from GOD, who seems to be living energy. I suspect the only fundamental in our universe is GOD. And all other physical laws and fundamentals stem from aspects of GOD. Google reveals a huge assault on Young Earth Creationists. I do not believe time as a concept even exists, except the notion of the forward progression of consciousness. yom is the forward progression of events since the earth began to be measured as a rotational day of events in time. The Bible give clear clues to how living things work: Job 12:6 ..into whose hand <yad> God <'elowahh> bringeth <bow'> abundantly. 7 But <'uwlam> ask <sha'al> now the beasts <b@hemah>, and they shall teach <yarah> thee; 8 Or speak <siyach> to the earth <'erets>, and it shall teach <yarah> thee: 9 Who knoweth <yada`> not in all these that the hand <yad> of the LORD <Y@hovah> doeth <`asah> this? 10 In whose hand <yad> is the soul <nephesh> of every living thing <chay>, and the breath <ruwach> of all mankind <'iysh> <basar>. The soul is made living because of the presence of the Medium within all living things. Ge 6:17 And, behold <hinneh>, I <'aniy>, even I, do bring <bow'> a flood <mabbuwl> of waters <mayim> upon the earth <'erets>, to destroy <shachath> all flesh <basar>, wherein is the breath <ruwach> of life <chay>, from under <tachath> heaven <shamayim>; and every thing <kol> that is in the earth <'erets> shall die <gava`>. Here is another way of saying the same thing, all the living things died in the great flood, because the Medium of Living was removed from them. Ge 7:15 And they went in <bow'> unto Noah <Noach> into the ark <tebah>, two <sh@nayim> and two <sh@nayim> of all flesh <basar>, wherein <'aher> is the breath <ruwach> of life <chay>. Here is the same idea, the Medium of Living, causes the "living-energy" a term called "nephesh" to be living-energy. What this means is all things are partnered to GOD somehow, while I do not believe in pantheism, the presence of GOD's power upholds all things, including creatures and the atoms themselves. SO when you speak of science says this or that, you mock God. God can do anything He likes, including creating creatures and processes within nanoseconds of time if He wishes to do so. To the fool such notions appear fantasy... imagine no friction in the new earth either, or any loss of energy at all. Do not limit the powers of God or anything Utopian God creates. Dr Don Paton www.veoh.com/watch/v1127229wTFJ6mfPI love all of Dr Don Paton's work, his digging work, science work and videos. So if you want some proof listen to the video. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2021 16:21:15 GMT -5
R" Let's begin there. In my understanding the word yom means 24 hours relative to earth time. So all the animals including man was created on a single yom period of time, 24 hours of the rotating earth. … relativity in time, something Einstein discovered but was already in Scripture …So things can look old in a single day. How is this possible? Well Gerald Schroeder, a Jewish scientist I might add, explains by terming this as "time stretches" So Schroeder notes the earth was created in six literal yom periods, that according to relativity could be 4.6 billions years old. I assume you want me to take your discussion seriously – are you?6 24hr Days or 4.6 Billion years – make up your mindI choose a more Schroeder scientific approach instead of Creation science that demand 6 24hr earth daysAnd I do not see Schroeder following some Dr Walter Brown guy??Of course not - Schroeder taught mainstream science at the Penn State University – 100% within the peer review community of scientist – Dr Brown is associated with your Creation Ministries regardless of which country branch you subscribe to Barry Setterfield So according to his theory, light was much faster in Creation days 1 to 3, so by day 4, 90% of the speed of light slows down to something we are familiar with. This creates the illusion of time as "Age" without changing the "yom" period of forward events. Actually – this guy is very close to myself – I suggest a more logarithmic definition of time E = mc2 – the speed of light here has an exponent In all math anywhere – the graph of an exponent is always a curve I suppose Setterfield is a Walter Brown supporter toorationalwiki.org/wiki/Barry_Setterfield#cite_note-5Barry Setterfield is a Young Earth creationist best known for promoting c-decay, the proposition that the speed of light was faster in the past and has been degrading ever since … Like all good preachers of woo, he carefully tailors his ideas to avoid being verifiable or falsifiable. He claims that the decay curve just recently flat-lined. It was still decaying, honest, but we just missed it. Unfortunately for him, it has been demonstrated to be false.[4] [4] - Wikipedia article on SN 1987A § Interaction with circumstellar material. I spent 10 minutes reading himFor me – he has it backward – time is not slowing to a stop Instead – time is accelerating to a point where the last day = an eternity of time Book of EnochLVX:5 "When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, then every man goes to the great judgment, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thenceforward there will be neither months or days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted." As in my logarithmic example Incremental Creation can be 6 increments agreeAre these 6 24hr days as we know them – absolutely not and even you agree So just admit it – Time is not linear Isa 11: - Isa 65:25 Notice the incredible event is mentioned twice.All about the future and nothing to do with the pastDidn't like this video: www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=XCwdZGg2Wc4 Got 1.27 in and stopped,At 1:15 the presenter says – all science supports creation as 3 basic fundamentals He makes the point – preachers don’t say this science does Time – space - matter (including energy) I say – and have always said Energy = matter and space/time = Father Creator = image Christ – Spirit matrix/ether/medium space/time It is scientific TRINITY These are not the three fundamentals of the universe at all. See – right away you stopped listening – your mind is not open but closed upon your doctrine Can be no Trinity – need 3 different gods or 4 – maybe 5 – not exactly sure of the depth of your pantheon that includes satan Time is the movement of matter relative to matter, across space; so is not a fundamental at all.Time = distance correctThe slower the time the farther the distance seems Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word … In the beginning was only the singularity GodJoh 1:1 … and the Word was with God … The very first step in creation = expansion = distance away from the source – and the 2nd planar dimension of the medium/matrix/ether of the multi-verse went out from GodJoh 1:1 … and the Word was God. = the image of God – the Son = Christ God – incarnate = God in form = God in imageTime is difficult to define. Some say time does not exist, only the forward progression of events as conscious memory.Book of Enoch LXV:3 "And the Lord saw all man's works, and created all his creatures, and divided time, from time he fixed the years, and from the years he appointed the months, and from the months he appointed the days, and of the days he appointed seven." LXV:4 "And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years and months, and hours, their alternation beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation." LVX:5 "When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, then every man goes to the great judgment, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thenceforward there will be neither months or days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted." Space, what is space? Is it not simply the movement of matter in something rather large? The zero point energy field is a extremely dense large field, that seems to me to be the very presence of GOD. SO I feel space is a myth or misunderstanding of what GOD is really like. Many dismiss "ether", yet Einstein admits there is an "Ether", all matter travels inside the "essence of God"Joh 1:1 … and the Word was with God … The very first step in creation = expansion = distance away from the source – and the 2nd planar dimension of the medium/matrix/ether of the multi-verse went out from GodMatter? Matter is just some stuff that came from GOD, who seems to be living energy.God = stuff that fattened from God (matter) and the living energy (Spirit / HS/ Spirit of God) I suspect the only fundamental in our universe is GOD. And all other physical laws and fundamentals stem from aspects of GOD.Yes – E=mc2E is the only fundamental aspect of our reality (=) = creation mc2 = all other physical laws and fundamentals stem from aspects of GOD.yom is the forward progression of events since the earth began to be measured as a rotational day of No one is saying it wasn’t 6 yom – only that those 6 yom were from God’s perspective not man’s From man’s[perspective – as you quoted Schroeder – it could have been 4.6 Billion years or even more The soul Creation is made living because of the presence of the Medium within all living things.At the sub-atomic level as the ether / matrix / medium that sustains all creation agreed And for all biology – this is true anywhere 3D biology is found – cow – ant – or cockroachSoul = the spirit of man – and that was created on Day 1 as per Gen 2:4 Then mated into man at Gen 2:7 and man became the Human Being that can choose Gen 2:17 the First Law was introduced to man Gen 3:6 – the very first recorded chata – the choice to sin – the choice to disobey God’s Law Gen 3:15 – the Contest between the archon (satan’s seed) archon and man (Eve’s seed) was established If all you can see is WORLD and biology – this is a punishment – a curse evenGen 3:15 the Contest is established between (satan’s seed) archon and (Eve’s seed – Jesus Christ) If you embrace a large spiritual Contest – this is the story/promise of salvationGe 6:17 And, behold <hinneh>, I <'aniy>, even I, do bring <bow'> a flood <mabbuwl> of waters <mayim> upon the earth <'erets>, to destroy <shachath> all flesh <basar>, wherein is the breath <ruwach> of life <chay>, from under <tachath> heaven <shamayim>; and every thing <kol> that is in the earth <'erets> shall die <gava`>. Request – don’t paste this translation any more - it is difficult to readGen 6:17 (KJV) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and everything that is in the earth shall die. Gen 6:17 (TLV) Now I am about to bring the flood—water upon the land—to destroy all flesh in which is the spirit of life from under the sky. Everything that is on the land will perish. Here is another way of saying the same thing, all the living things died in the great flood, because the Medium of Living was removed from them.1- this is not all creatures – many sea animals remain to this day – sharks included Therefore this is not all creatures that are just dumb animals – cows, cockroaches 2- therefore – this is speaking to those that are (spirit+animal) = man and the Nephilim and the bane elohiym take took the form of manDr Don Patonwww.veoh.com/watch/v1127229wTFJ6mfPI love all of Dr Don Paton's work, his digging work, science work and videos. So if you want some proof listen to the video.I do not disagree that science likes to add time – to the time line And do it by the incorrect assumption that the amount of isotops present today = the amount present in the past 3:36 – He disagrees with Schroeder – and his reason – he don’t believe it 4:30-6:49 He speak about time measurement 6:49 – He makes My Point – the amount in the past was greater – therefore time telescope as we move farther back in time I make this point to you – you call me heretic – crazy Gnostic ideasYour guy preaches it and suddenly it’s validAnother reason I know you are not a serious student You simply take positions of opposition 9.43 – YES – scientist are guess at the age – I told you this before Stopped listening at 16:45 - he is preaching my position on time measurment exposed and validated by WEDD and FD-WEDTLove it when others agree with me so thourghly
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2021 17:29:52 GMT -5
If Yalboath FATHERED his what do you call more Yalboath offspring? agl authors call them powers and principalities (archon) ahl calls them bane elohiym and shedimRev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. The Apocryphon of John - The Nag Hammadi Library"And the archons created seven powers for themselves, … The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi LibraryThis ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 21:18:29 GMT -5
Welcome me back Dave Had trouble getting back online, my dongle expired and I could not recharge it. All seems OK for now, but only for 6 months. Telstra is only interested in your money these days. About your comments, they more or less agree with mine. You agree that the earth was created in 6 yom periods of time. And according to earth time, this would be a literal week of time. But according to God's time, or time from other worlds, the period of time stretches, so appears to travel slower, and thus appear older than is really is. You also like Don Paton, and his video on the age of the earth. If you define GOD intentionally creating a flawed world with RA already in it, than the nuclear decay of rocks is already known with decaying rates over time. Hence one can view the past, as the order of things has not changed since Creation. The present is a key to the past. But if you define GOD creating a perfectly Utopian world without RA, until after Adam sinned, than the curse of the world completely changes all the processes of order and chaos, so that nuclear decay is affected by the RA flooding into our world, so that nothing is certain or predictable from the past. Hence one cannot view the past with any certainty using such processes like radioactive decay as time clocks. The present processes are totally different to the original processes earth experienced. The present is NOT a key to the past. This is why Young Earth Creationists like myself, and Don Paton, differ from yourself Dave so much. You are using present day processes as a guide to the processes in the past, and I would argue you cannot assume this as so. So from earth time, our world is only about several thousands of years old. Yet according to relativity may appear to look older because of other times of reference, coming upon us. You also have species of animals growing, existing , decaying and dying as a natural part of RA in Nature. My world view of Scripture does not allow for natural RA used in this way, hence all chaos, death and entropy was part of the curse GOD placed on Creation after Adam sinned. D" The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.R" How vastly different this is from torah. Creatures were made in Genesis, gender male and gender female, there is no example of any creature that is "androgynous", having both sexual parts on the same body. There are some cases of earthworms, able to mate themselves, but most creatures seek their partners in order to exchange DNA information. DO Jews view the single solitary YHWH as "androgynous"? If this is so, why did this single solitary YHWH as "androgynous", create all creatures on earth as gender male and female then? Your expressions idea, fails to be anything less than "androgynous" expressions, does it not? This puzzle for you, is no puzzle for me, if GOD is a divine family, thus love expresses two styles of loving, the provider kind as "Most High" and res-ponder kind the "Shadday", and the collective love of a child as the Saviour Jesus, the Son. Such a model has many torah Scriptures to back this up. Explain "androgynous" parent. No such term. The gay movement is all about this, and the destruction of gender male and gender female. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 17, 2021 5:44:27 GMT -5
You also like Don Paton, and his video on the age of the earth. Too bad you did not grasp what he said 1- The method science uses to date the past includes a false assumption 2- That false assumption = the quantity of isotopes in the past = the same quantity as today 3- Don Patton said – what if the quantities of the past were not the same as today? Then the math is in error. 4- This is a major revelation of WEDD and FD-WEDT – earth began as a gas giant protoplanet much like Jupiter = there was a lot more of everything present in the past Therefore – because there was more in the past than today – the assumption is wrong Therefore – a large amount of decay today means – there was more present in the past Not that – the amount of decay present today needs the extra time to develop This mathematical error causes a telescoping effect to the time line Instead of time being measured as linear = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc Time telescopes as = 1, 3, 7, 11, 21, 55, 103, 350, 825 = non-linear
If you define GOD intentionally creating a flawed world with RA already in it, 1- Choshek = Gen 1:2 – then Christ entered creation – Gen 1:3 the Light of the word 2- Rev 12:3 – the beast and his seven offspring appeared in creation - Rev 12:5 then Christ entered creation I do not deny the reality of scripture
Hence one can view the past, as the order of things has not changed since Creation. The present is a key to the past. Correct – there is no such thing as evolution in any form
Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. As man looks through a telescope – all he sees = God’s creation
Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—
Correct – all of God’s beautiful creation is obvious to any true investigator = intelligent design = a designer – it is obvious Through the telescope or microscope – God’s creation all points to its creator
But if you define GOD creating a perfectly Utopian world without RA, until after Adam sinned, than the curse of the world completely changes all the processes of order and chaos, so that nuclear decay is affected by the RA flooding into our world, so that nothing is certain or predictable from the past.
Hmmmm you told me once that all you can see in the world is the effect of sin You tell me that sin cause everything to change and evolved away from what God created Therefore Psa 19:2 and Rom 1:19-20 = proof of your satan to you – Not the Creator
This is why Young Earth Creationists like myself, and Don Paton, differ from yourself Dave so much. You are using present day processes as a guide to the processes in the past, and I would argue you cannot assume this as so. Correct you demand that Psa 19:2 and Rom 1:19-20 proves your satan – because he is your god I and most Christians and all Jews think these passages are about God
So from earth time, our world is only about several thousands of years old. Yet according to relativity may appear to look older because of other times of reference, coming upon us. Any discussion of time is stupid because time is not linear From God’s perspective it was only 6 yom From man’s perspective it was a lot longer 4.6 billion or 13.6 Billion Time is relative to the viewer – Einstein said it – scripture says it twice Peter 3:9 & Psa 90:4 Therefore I embrace scripture – Time is not linear
You also have species of animals growing, existing , decaying and dying as a natural part of RA in Nature.
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.
Sorry Robert – From the very first age – From the time of creation itself - From Gen 1:2 choshek
Also - I do not have to deny 12 different scientific fields of study as a historical consperacy I say all the evidence must point to the One True Creator You say the evidence supports your second creator the god of evil that changed all God's creation
My world view of Scripture does not allow for natural RA used in this way, hence all chaos, death and entropy was part of the curse GOD placed on Creation after Adam sinned. I know – your feel good God cannot do Isa 45:7 – that scripture must be denied That had to be a second creator – that other god of yours – that god of evil Who single handedly changed (recreated) all of God’s tov creation So when you read Rom 1:19-2 - or Psa 19:2 all you see = evidence of your evil god
D" The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.
R" How vastly different this is from torah. Creatures were made in Genesis, gender male and gender female, there is no example of any creature that is "androgynous", having both sexual parts on the same body. 1- androgynous", does not mean - having both sexual parts – that would be a hermaphrodite (wiki) In reproductive biology, a hermaphrodite (/hɜːrˈmæfrədaɪt/) is an organism that has complete or partial reproductive organs Hermaphrodite = both male and female Sexual reproduction requires both the male and female parts 2- (wiki) Androgyny is the combination of masculine and feminine characteristics into an ambiguous form. Androgyny may be expressed with regard to biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, or sexual identity. androgynous means = as entirely genderless. – neither male or female Asexual does not require two parts – but simple division – 1 becomes 2 – 2 becomes 4 there are many examples of androgynous creatures within God’s creation
DO Jews view the single solitary YHWH as "androgynous"? If this is so, why did this single solitary YHWH as "androgynous", create all creatures on earth as gender male and female then? Your expressions idea, fails to be anything less than "androgynous" expressions, does it not? Actually – the Jews do consider God to be androgynous – because He is beyond our comprehension E=mc2 – The E is both the m and the c2 combined into one – it is both But – man can experience God in the form of man = Christ = image = back When a Jew closes his eyes and tries to picture God – Moses comes to mind – a man form = Christ Out of respect – Jews call God SIR, Mr, Male – Father (because it is a man’s world) Or man can experience God as glory = spirit = the female aspect of God that comes among the people – the Shekinah Is Jewish God male – no He is more than that Is Jewish God female – no He is more than that
Explain "androgynous" parent. No such term. The gay movement is all about this, and the destruction of gender male and gender female.
Biology 101 Asexual reproduction is a type of reproduction that does not involve the fusion of gametes or change in the number of chromosomes. The offspring that arise by asexual reproduction from either unicellular or multicellular organisms inherit the full set of genes of their single parent. Asexual reproduction is the primary form of reproduction for single-celled organisms such as archaea and bacteria. Many eukaryotic organisms including plants and fungi can also reproduce asexually.
Sorry Robert – I do not believe in evolution in any form Each and every creature was designed for it role within nature - an a delicate balance we can only attribute to an intelligent designer – God the creator – not your satan the recreator
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 14:38:00 GMT -5
D" Any discussion of time is stupid because time is not linear From God’s perspective it was only 6 yom From man’s perspective it was a lot longer 4.6 billion or 13.6 Billion Time is relative to the viewer – Einstein said it – scripture says it twice Peter 3:9 & Psa 90:4 Therefore I embrace scripture – Time is not linear R" Hmm? yom is linear Dave, it moves forward one day at a time.
The appearance of making yom look older is a different matter, that is relativity. The yom down not slow down to become a billion years, the yom is just that the rotation of earth into the Sun. A stable unit of time. But only does things seem older, when in reality they are not.
D" I know – your feel good God cannot do Isa 45:7 – that scripture must be denied That had to be a second creator – that other god of yours – that god of evil
RA came from GOD by designing for RA, but not DOING RA. RA is the fruit of SIN, see eccelaistes verse Ec 8:12 You are implying GOD is doing the RA because GOD creates the RA, these ideas are different/
D" Asexual does not require two parts – but simple division – 1 becomes 2 – 2 becomes 4 there are many examples of androgynous creatures within God’s creation
R" Jellyfish example hey? Why than does GOD create gender male and gender female than?
You ignore the torah yet again:
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Nothing androgynous here.
D" Actually – the Jews do consider God to be androgynous – because He is beyond our comprehension R" really? Why use the terms Father and SON than? Why play word games with humans?
Because this "Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." is real, and a simile of GOD.
D" God the creator – not your satan the recreator R" I have always said GOD creates the RA, but does not DO the RA. Satan does the RA, Satan is a sinning angel. So stop telling me Satan is a second creator. He is NOT. Just a mere angel who sinned long time ago. But you say man was the first creature to sin. Not so
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2021 22:50:02 GMT -5
Time is relative to the viewer – Einstein said it – scripture says it twice Peter 3:9 & Psa 90:4 Therefore I embrace scripture – Time is not linear R" Hmm? yom is linear Dave, it moves forward one day at a time.
STOP IT – Stop talking in circles –take this conversation seriously or I am done Take one position and stick with it – you flip flop between two extremes 6 24hr days was your argument – up until I asked you about Day 7
D" Asexual does not require two parts – but simple division – 1 becomes 2 – 2 becomes 4 there are many examples of androgynous creatures within God’s creation R" Jellyfish example hey? Why than does GOD create gender male and gender female than? You ignore the torah yet again: Please give me your verse that says all creatures are male and female
Gen 1:20 Then God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures! Let flying creatures fly above the land across the expanse of the sky.” Gen 1:21 Then God created the large sea creatures and every living creature that crawls, with which the water swarms, according to their species, as well as every winged flying creature, according to their species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the water in the seas. Let the flying creatures multiply on the land.” Gen 1:23 So there was evening and there was morning—a fifth day. Gen 1:24 Then God said, “Let the land bring forth living creatures according to their species—livestock, crawling creatures and wild animals, according to their species.” And it happened so. Gen 1:25 God made the wild animals according to their species, the livestock according to their species, and everything that crawls on the ground, each according to its species. And God saw that it was good. You ignore the torah yet again: Please give me your verse that says all creatures are male and female
(wiki) How many species are asexual? It has been documented in over 2,000 species. Parthenogenesis occurs in the wild in many invertebrates (e.g. water fleas, rotifers, aphids, stick insects, some ants, bees and parasitic wasps) and vertebrates (mostly reptiles, amphibians, and fish).
If God didn’t create all these creatures who did? = your satan?
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Nothing androgynous here. Correct one part image Jesus Christ + and one part spirit (Christ – who is God)
D" Actually – the Jews do consider God to be androgynous – because He is beyond our comprehension R" really? Why use the terms Father and SON than? Why play word games with humans? E=mc2 E – is beyond our understanding – the only way we can describe the E = is a potential E – has no body – no form E – Expresses itself to ma as (mc2) = form/back/image /Christ/God + spirit/HS/God Man can describe the form – and man can interact with the spirit But no man has a clue what the E is – other than potential
But - man / Jews - refer to the E as "Father" out od respect - because it is a man's world and it seems disrespectful to call the E it - seems disrespectful to call God an it
If you picture God as a man – a Moses type fella with a long white beard – it is form – it is Christ If you feel the Spirit – it is God – it is the HS- it is the Comforter
D" God the creator – not your satan the recreator So stop telling me Satan is a second creator. He is NOT. Just a mere angel who sinned long time ago. Who altered all of God’s creation to suit himself You saisd that when you look through a telescope or a microscope you cannot see God’s creation Because it has all be recreated by satan into a sin form – all you can see is sin and the effects of sin Stop telling me that all you see and touch is satan’s handiwork – I’ll stop calling him the second creator
Even all the animals changed their DNA and nature according to you Even volcanoes and earthquakes were created by your satan after Adam sinned
Your God cannot be responsible for our world - God made a perfect world But your satan singel handedly changed it all
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