Post by Dave on Feb 26, 2021 1:05:35 GMT -5
R How can an angel sin and thus do murder from the beginning?
D" They can’t – it is an archon created with only self
R" You do not understand, do you?
Here is your first murder
Gen 4:8 Cain spoke to Abel his brother. While they were in the field, Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
Here is the result
Gen 4:12 As often as you work the ground, it will not yield its crops to you again. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
But you refused to explain to me what this meant
Why did Cain kill Able
1st Book of Adam and Eve
24 But Cain was looking on all that took place at his brother's offering, and was wroth on account of it.
25 Then he opened his mouth and blasphemed God, because He had not accepted his offering.
26 But God said unto Cain, "Wherefore is thy countenance sad? Be righteous, that I may accept thy offering. Not against Me hast thou murmured, but against thyself."
27 And God said this to Cain in rebuke
The answer to your question
R when a creature sins, they are actually opposing GOD. Do you get my point?
NO = they only oppose themselves
32 As to Cain, he was so sullen and so angry that he went into the field, where Satan came to him and said to him, "Since thy brother Abel has taken refuge with thy father Adam, because thou didst thrust him from the altar, they have kissed his face, and they rejoice over him, far more than over thee."
33 When Cain heard these words of Satan, he was filled with rage; and he let no one know. But he was laying wait to kill his brother,
Precept upon Precept, line upon line – a little here and a little there
Satan talked – Cain listened – Cain chose all by himself – and was disciplined by God
R" not a single reference to ra-angels serving the Lord
R Show me a single torah text where evil angels are doing functional services for the Lord?
I can show you 23+49 verses where satan obeys God and opposes man
God is in command of the evil spirit – and uses them as he wills
Jdg 9:23 God sent an evil spirit
1Sa 16:16 . Then whenever the evil spirit from God comes on you,
1 Kings 22 God is in command of deceiving spirits
All of these incidences were TO FACILITATE GOD’s Will
Why do you think it a sin to obey God? – you refuse to answer
Ro 14:23 : for whatsoever is not of amanuah is chataah. (KJV)
So if you're NOT supporting GOD, you are infact opposing GOD.
No = by definition – you would be missing God – missing out on salvation – missing out on the most important fact of your entire existence
D" All you can see is opposition
D" Simply pointing out that your absolutism is in error
R" so transgressing law, is NOT opposing law? God wrote the law, so by transgressing law, you are opposing GOD? Absolutely yes.
So to carry out the punishment of life for life – someone in the service of God must sin
It is a sin to be in the Israeli Army at Jericho?
You are deluded – your absolutism fails you miserably
D" And God used these Jews to FACILITATE GOD’s WILL
R" No, the lamb was to enter the temple under praise, lay down his life for his friends under praise, not torture, to release the sinner from the father of mischief.
And this is why the Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah – because He did not complete all the prophesy
But – if Jesus came as their Messiah – there would be no opening for the 99% - the age of the Gentile
Were you born Jewish? – I personally appreciate the age of the Gentile
Personally – I appreciate that it is the Second coming that is the end – because I was not born Jewish
D" They can’t – it is an archon created with only self
R" You do not understand, do you?
Here is your first murder
Gen 4:8 Cain spoke to Abel his brother. While they were in the field, Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
Here is the result
Gen 4:12 As often as you work the ground, it will not yield its crops to you again. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
But you refused to explain to me what this meant
Why did Cain kill Able
1st Book of Adam and Eve
24 But Cain was looking on all that took place at his brother's offering, and was wroth on account of it.
25 Then he opened his mouth and blasphemed God, because He had not accepted his offering.
26 But God said unto Cain, "Wherefore is thy countenance sad? Be righteous, that I may accept thy offering. Not against Me hast thou murmured, but against thyself."
27 And God said this to Cain in rebuke
The answer to your question
R when a creature sins, they are actually opposing GOD. Do you get my point?
NO = they only oppose themselves
32 As to Cain, he was so sullen and so angry that he went into the field, where Satan came to him and said to him, "Since thy brother Abel has taken refuge with thy father Adam, because thou didst thrust him from the altar, they have kissed his face, and they rejoice over him, far more than over thee."
33 When Cain heard these words of Satan, he was filled with rage; and he let no one know. But he was laying wait to kill his brother,
Precept upon Precept, line upon line – a little here and a little there
Satan talked – Cain listened – Cain chose all by himself – and was disciplined by God
R" not a single reference to ra-angels serving the Lord
R Show me a single torah text where evil angels are doing functional services for the Lord?
I can show you 23+49 verses where satan obeys God and opposes man
God is in command of the evil spirit – and uses them as he wills
Jdg 9:23 God sent an evil spirit
1Sa 16:16 . Then whenever the evil spirit from God comes on you,
1 Kings 22 God is in command of deceiving spirits
All of these incidences were TO FACILITATE GOD’s Will
Why do you think it a sin to obey God? – you refuse to answer
Ro 14:23 : for whatsoever is not of amanuah is chataah. (KJV)
So if you're NOT supporting GOD, you are infact opposing GOD.
No = by definition – you would be missing God – missing out on salvation – missing out on the most important fact of your entire existence
D" All you can see is opposition
D" Simply pointing out that your absolutism is in error
R" so transgressing law, is NOT opposing law? God wrote the law, so by transgressing law, you are opposing GOD? Absolutely yes.
So to carry out the punishment of life for life – someone in the service of God must sin
It is a sin to be in the Israeli Army at Jericho?
You are deluded – your absolutism fails you miserably
D" And God used these Jews to FACILITATE GOD’s WILL
R" No, the lamb was to enter the temple under praise, lay down his life for his friends under praise, not torture, to release the sinner from the father of mischief.
And this is why the Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah – because He did not complete all the prophesy
But – if Jesus came as their Messiah – there would be no opening for the 99% - the age of the Gentile
Were you born Jewish? – I personally appreciate the age of the Gentile
Personally – I appreciate that it is the Second coming that is the end – because I was not born Jewish