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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 16:54:12 GMT -5
D" YES – we are awakened to the truth – when the Spirit of God Touches you – zero doubt remains We have always known this – it is nothing new – we have just forgotten who we are We are spirit having a physical souljhourn to witness God’s Glory and after mortal death our spirit returns to God – for Judgment or Pardon R" Arn't you going against Nicodemus who asked Jesus the question How can a man enter the womb a second time? How can this be?
I am saying the man must enter the womb a second time? Your saying we don't?
Nicodemus asked Jesus how do we enter the womb a second time?
Salvation is all about entering the compassion-centre daily, until you are fully developed with a spirit filled character that resembles GOD in character.
D" And a Christian would argue that there is no way any one can fall from grace R" you can fall from grace.
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
You can be almost wholly a Christian doing Self pious deeds of tov, but be wholly lost.
Self must die, the only deeds we do are those empowered by GOD when we support GOD by faith. He works in us to His glory, and we support His words flowing in us.
D" No one or no-thing can fall from God’s grace – to preach otherwise teaches doubt R" Hmm? The parable of the man who said he would go and didn't and the man who refused to go, but repented and later went to work.
Mt 14:31 And immediately ..said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Doubt is not supporting Jesus correctly. Failing to support GOD.
Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
D" And when you went on a mission for you church – you were missing you church that is why you left? R" funny? I haven't been to church for years, so maybe I am sinning in Not going. COV19 does not allow people to attend anymore, things are complicated now.
Jeff Benner explains a weird verse
De 32:12 So the LORD alone (badad) did lead him, Alone? De 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, mentions a simile of the HS? De 32:13 ..., and oil out of the flinty rock; Alone? mentions the Father flint rock?
Jeff Benner explains this term alone, as separated from the group. Not solitary alone.
D" These are sinning angels by you definition – are you sure R" Not all angels sinned Dave, war in heaven, remember, some fell into sin, many did not.
Shalom Shabbath Dave
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Post by Dave on Feb 20, 2021 3:54:19 GMT -5
D" YES – we are awakened to the truth – when the Spirit of God Touches you – zero doubt remains We have always known this – it is nothing new – we have just forgotten who we are We are spirit having a physical souljhourn to witness God’s Glory and after mortal death our spirit returns to God – for Judgment or Pardon R" Arn't you going against Nicodemus who asked Jesus the question How can a man enter the womb a second time? How can this be? Nicodemus asked Jesus how do we enter the womb a second time?
Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7 Do not be surprised that I said to you, ‘You all must be born from above.’ Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Joh 3:9 How can these things happen?” Nicodemus said. Joh 3:10 Yeshua answered him, “You’re a teacher of Israel and you do not understand these things? Joh 3:11 Amen, amen I tell you, We speak about what We know and testify about what We have seen. Yet you all do not receive Our testimony! Joh 3:12 If you do not believe the earthly things I told you, how will you believe when I tell you about heavenly things?
Jesus says to Nicodemus – seriously – you are a Rabbi and don’t understand? If you do not even believe the things you can see You will never understand the thing you cannot see
D" And a Christian would argue that there is no way any one can fall from grace R" you can fall from grace.
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
You can be almost wholly a Christian doing Self pious deeds of tov, but be wholly lost.
If you can fall away – you were never a Born Again Christian – you were just a believer and beliefs can change and wane How can any man know God personally – then forget about it? REDICULAS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 16:52:41 GMT -5
D" How can any man know God personally – then forget about it?
R" Easy, it's called the Christian curse:
Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
You you fail to give away the providings of the provider, these gifts of power will stop flowing and you will forget GOD and become proud rather than humble.
For example, on a tomato bush, fail to remove the tomato fruit, and notice what happens? The bush fails the make more fruit, and dies prematurely. As long as you remove the fruit, the bush keeps on making more fruit.
This is a principle of salvation, it is more blessed to give away than to receive.
The blood is refreshed after leaving the lungs, go directly to the cells of the community, becomes depressed blood after it's long journey, comes to be refreshed again.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 20, 2021 17:40:54 GMT -5
D" How can any man know God personally – then forget about it? R" Easy, it's called the Christian curse:
Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
H4830 –רְעִית - From H7462 in the sense of feeding; pasturage; concretely a flock: - flock, pasture.
G3542 – νομή -Feminine from the same as G3551; pasture, that is, (the act) feeding (figuratively spreading of a gangrene), or (the food) pasturage: - X eat, pasture.
Correct – you are what you eat If you become trapped in man-made doctrine – you struggle to support doctrine not God Eat Mormonism and – you are what you ewat Eat Baptist doctrine - you are what you eat Eat SDA doctrine and – you are what you eat
If you fail to give away the providings of the provider, these gifts of power will stop flowing and you will forget GOD and become proud rather than humble.
Correct – if you fail to Love the lord – you never knew Him – you just thought you did once You were a pretender – a Christian want-a-be – a church goer Has nothing to do with a personal relation with the Creator
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 18:04:04 GMT -5
I guess if you got a public demonstration of God's power, you might more fully gnosis the Lord, but than you might also fight pride like never before too.
Thanks for agreeing Dave
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2021 7:26:18 GMT -5
Robertt - I guess if you got a public demonstration of God's power, you might more fully gnosis the Lord, but than you might also fight pride like never before too.
Thanks for agreeing Dave
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Now who is mocking – you would mock someone because they have had a spiritual experience
Is this why you fail comment about the 1000s of witnesses that support the spiritual Do you think theology like Elisha – or Moses – or Paul are just stories – or stories about other people not you You doubt the spiritual reality of scripture Every other serious ‘Christian’ I have ever known – only wants to know more – deeper – closer
“Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
You say – nothing spiritual about man – just procreated animal of biology And the goal = the grave to awaiting Resurrection later – so your animal biology can live again
------------ Correct – if you fail to Love the lord – you never knew Him – you just thought you did once You were a pretender – a Christian want-a-be – a church goer Has nothing to do with a personal relation with the Creator
Who is the most famous person you have ever met?
Through my work – I have encountered several “known” individuals I rode the elevator with a Country and Western Singer I have been mono on mono with more than one Politician I have seen a TV star scream and bitch in the Emergency Room
I had dinner with the grand-daughter of a major UFO Air Force officer from Roswell I remember each and every encounter
If the Queen of England ran out of gas and came knocking on your door for help
If the Pope waded through a crowd of people to shake your hand
If Abigail Rogan (actually I don’t know who she is) – but if she showed up at your work asking only for you
Would you ever forget? - NO!
But you think people who have heard the voice of the Lord – or felt his presence - can forget
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 15:27:41 GMT -5
Judas was one disciple who heard the Lord receive public miracles by saying the name of Jesus as the other disciples did, yet despite all this, the topic in the Passover Room, was who is the greatest. Pride ran the disciples, not love and humility.
D"But you think people who have heard the voice of the Lord – or felt his presence - can forget
All the disciples left Jesus, only John returned boldly. Peter denied His Lord.
After the denial of Jesus, Peter surrendered to Jesus completely, so the pride of self died eventually. But the pride of self is not so easily removed by simply knowing the Lord or seeing public miracles flow through you.
Judas kept listening to the opposing angel and died.
Peter kept listening to Jesus, who opposes the opposing angel, and lived.
You are controlled by one of these masters, one leads to eternal life, the other to eternal death.
I have never met a famous person face to face. You have been more fortunate than me. God bless your ministry.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 22, 2021 3:34:17 GMT -5
Judas was one disciple who heard the Lord receive public miracles by saying the name of Jesus as the other disciples did, yet despite all this, the topic in the Passover Room, was who is the greatest. Pride ran the disciples, not love and humility. AND – without Judas the Gospel would not have unfolded as God Planned
D"But you think people who have heard the voice of the Lord – or felt his presence - can forget
All the disciples left Jesus, only John returned boldly. Peter denied His Lord. All your examples are just biology – all before Pentecost
You are controlled by one of these masters, one leads to eternal life, the other to eternal death. You may have another master to follow – I do not
I have never met a famous person face to face. You have been more fortunate than me. Well that is the thing about medicine – sooner or later – you meet everyone
1972 high school – I was invited home with my roommate to NY City for Thanksgiving Diner My roommate’s grandfather was the Attorney General for President Eisenhower (1956-1960)
2000 or so my wife and I were in Washington DC – near the reflecting pool – there were three guys walking near us and I just went to one of them and asked him to take our picture. All 3 guys were Asian and did not speak English. So I just held up my camera to say take my picture. This guy got down on one knee and took several poses. When he got on one knee his coat opened and he had a gun strapped to his belt. – we have always wondered who they were? – the Ambassador for somewhere? Or a spy?
Story – In America we have a hospital privacy law (HIPPA) – if I see you professionally, I cannot tell anyone or I am violating your privacy. Movie actor – Harrison Ford – fell off a horse in Wyoming- taken to the local hospital to be checked out. 31 medical staff we FIRED
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 14:06:02 GMT -5
D" AND – without Judas the Gospel would not have unfolded as God Planned
R" If you look at the term olah, the sacrifice was meant to be voluntary and with dignity,
not with violence and cruelty.
Why was Jesus sacrificed so cruelly? Because an opposer opposed his sacrifice. Did not want Jesus to die, to save sinners from his kingdom.
You do not consider the angel hates losing subjects from his kingdom. Is this idea in Scripture even?
Or is it simple this silly prosecutor idea? Does this prosecutor have a selfish reason to prosecute you?
DO you belong to his kingdom? And if GOD can't save anybody from his kingdom, the kingdom will stand forever...
A ruler and his kingdom? is this a Bible idea even?
Not according to you.... man lives in he archon world, but is not a kingdom the chief archon not a prince of earth?
Would Jesus own words agree with you Dave.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Sounds like a war still happening on earth, to me.... a war over princes, kingdoms and human subjects.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 22, 2021 22:51:24 GMT -5
D" AND – without Judas the Gospel would not have unfolded as God Planned R If you look at the term olah, the sacrifice was meant to be voluntary and with dignity, not with violence and cruelty.
Now you deny Isaiah 53? – Christ was not supposed to suffer for us? You are becoming way to desperate to defend your satan
Why was Jesus sacrificed so cruelly? Because an opposer opposed his sacrifice. Did not want Jesus to die, to save sinners from his kingdom.
Because an opposer opposed his sacrifice – so your satan did not want Jesus crucified? Did not want Jesus to die, - I thought you are arguing it is your satan that causes the ra and the death Now you preach your satan wanted to save the life of Jesus You are becoming way to desperate to defend your satan
You do not consider the angel hates losing subjects from his kingdom. Is this idea in Scripture even? If your satan filled his kingdom full with men – then what – would scripture unfold differently Would your satan escape his fate?
Or is it simple this silly prosecutor idea? Does this prosecutor have a selfish reason to prosecute you? YES! – it is his job
Not according to you.... man lives in he archon world, but is not a kingdom the chief archon not a prince of earth? STOP IT - You are becoming way to desperate to defend your satan This is the domain of the archon – physical creation is their kingdom God gave it to them
Are they the rulers of this world – they think they are God let 33 ‘other gods’ do their thing in the Levant – did not stop them until it was His time All the while – they thought they were gods King of Tyre – thought he was something special Cyrus thought he was something special Next to God of all Creation – they are NOTHING – just noise – static on the radio
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Sounds like a war still happening on earth, to me.... a war over princes, kingdoms and human subjects. WRONG – sounds like a cleansing – over in an instant – noone can oppose God Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are too, and they shall be tortured day and night forever and ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 2:10:13 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
I will try a different approach, and keep things simple.
D" no one can oppose God
R" So this means when a human sins, they are not opposing God?
The normal punishment in the OT days, if one murdered somebody, was he immediately stoned to death.
Is this punishment showing the wrong the human did, was opposing GOD, even opposing God's law ?
Please explain.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 24, 2021 4:16:07 GMT -5
I will try a different approach, and keep things simple. Why don’t you try listing the scripture that validates your doctrine?
D" no one can oppose God
2Ch 20:6 and said: “Adonai, God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. Power and might are in Your hand and no one can stand against You.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does. Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Deu 11:25 No one will be able to stand against you—Adonai your God will put the fear and dread of you upon all the land where you tread, just as He has promised you.
R" So this means when a human sins, they are not opposing God? No Robert – no one can oppose God – or make Him change His will – or turn Him from His Plan Man – can either participate with God – by being an Apostle – a witness – large or small Or man can be lost in the arrogance of world and flesh – and will regret it later
The normal punishment in the OT days, if one murdered somebody, was he immediately stoned to death. Is this punishment showing the wrong the human did, was opposing GOD, even opposing God's law ? I guess that would be a question for the executioner If you must follow God’s law – how can you be the executioner for the court of man I guess that would be a question for the soldier on the front lines of God’s army
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 13:35:35 GMT -5
Joh 8:21 ¶ Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Eze 18:21 ¶ But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Why were the Jews trying to kill Jesus? Not in order to save themselves, but in order to get rid of Jesus.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Clearly the Jews art not as they claim to be, but following a different system than what Abram was following.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jesus is going to die simply because He is truth. Obviously the system the Jews are following does not like truth, so the Jews plan to kill Jesus, NOT to be saved by Jesus, but to get rid of Jesus.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication;
These Jews accuse Jesus as born of fornication, while these Jews were born faithfully. Notice the irony.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
But the Jews do not love Jesus, actually they hate Jesus and want to get rid of Him.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
What is interesting here is the devil-father is a murderer from the beginning. How is this possible?
There is your answers there, but you do not read the passage with spiritual understanding.
How can an angel sin and thus do murder from the beginning? The angels are obviously judged by the royal law, where this commandment comes from. This is saying the devil-angel is the author of killing.
Joh 8:44 When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
SO Scripture says lying is a simile of murdering the person who are lying about.
The devil-father is a murderer and also a father of lies. This is the system the Jews are following.
Joh 8:51 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
God is a system of living. Satan is a system of dying.
These words obviously oppose each other.
I am sorry perhaps you misunderstand me, you are right, nothing and no-one can oppose GOD directly. God is all there is. God's laws are absolute. God has answers for everything, including sin. But if creatures choose to sin, they become slaves to a system invented by the sinner, but created by GOD so the false system is allowed to exist for a short time. And it in this sense, that for this short probationary time, when a creature sins, they are actually opposing GOD. Do you get my point?
When God was opposing Baalim on the donkey on the road, God was blocking the passage of the donkey, or opposing the donkey.
Perhaps we could change the meaning to "block, blocking and blocker" but this is a strange English meaning, than "oppose, opposing and opponent". The idea of a blocker is some person who by sinning actually blocks the flow of power from GOD entering that person. But an opposer is essentially saying the same thing.
One could also use the term , "resist, resisting, resistance and resistor" but this is just another meaning for "oppose, opposing and Opposer".
I am not saying an opposer takes over GOD's thoughts, or forces GOD to do things contrary. No, the opposer is simply blocking the flow of God's will for that person.
The wages of opposing God is death. Does this mean that GOD does the killing or the opposer itself does? After we have read from the passage, not is as clear as the passage suggests. If a devil-angel can be a murderer from the beginning, who did this angel kill?
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
Notice the murderer kills one third of God's angels, and casts himself to earth. Why? perhaps the same reason why sinners who sin love darker places than the light. Perhaps the murderer sought a darker place to reside.
But when we consider the act of murder this angel did, no angel died, or did they?
One has to read the Hebrew "Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill <ratsach>." rather than assume we know.
This devil angel wounded the other angels, removing their chance of returning back to GOD, hence in this sense, the devil angel did in fact wound his angels, and hence is the true author of death.
SO this angel is trapped in GOD's world, so this death penalty is some curse the murderer is forced to contend with. He hoped by killing Jesus, that Jesus will forever be in his own kingdom, thus GOD cannot end his kingdom, and so make death immortal, so that the devil-angel will live forever.
D" If you must follow God’s law – how can you be the executioner for the court of man
R" Are you agreeing with me?
Sin and therefore "murderers" are in fact opposing GOD's power flowing into their lives. They are seeking to end their own right to be living forever.
But the devil angel has a counter claim for this, saying the human has some immortal spark in us that cannot die. This too is just another lie from the father of lies. And millions are hooked on the famous words of the liar" Yes, shall not surely die".
The devil angel did not die, so GOD must be a liar. And so the angel promotes the lies even more unto mankind.
SO I ask you, were the Jews planning to kill Jesus, in order to get rid of Him?
This idea came from the father of lies, who hoped by killing Jesus that God would not end the angels reign .
That is why the angel asked Jesus to bow down and worship the angel. The devil was not speaking to the man of Jesus, but to the Son of Jesus.
Understand why Jesus was sent by the Father to die. And what the father of lies, the author of death wanted to achieve? They have two different reasons for dying.
First what does the law say about sinning?
"Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill <ratsach>."
Hebrew, negate one word. No ratsach. What does this mean ? No wounding. The term is not about killing or dying per se, but about the function of living. We humans assume things too much.
Notice the judgments from this law:
If any creature does wounding, so that the fruit of the womb of GOD is wounded, causing the wounding of her children and her future children, the penalty for this wounding, is eternal non-existence. (the opposite of eternal living)Ex 21:23
So the wounder-er is sentenced to non-existence.
The wounding of the children caused by the wounder-er are also sentenced to eternal nonexistence, because they continue sinning, and thus are wounding themselves continually. Once ra comes into the womb of compassion, the ra itself ensures the non-existence of the children.
The Father sent Jesus to give a part of his powers for eternity so the wounding's claim are forever met, and also to transfer the guilt and unto the wounder-er that caused the wounding, later (the scapegoat) , so Jesus lays down powers of GOD to satisfy the demands of this law, as well rise again from the grave, as a symbol of GOD as living.
The father of lies, hopes by killing Jesus, that Jesus would not enter the sin-offering death required for sins, thus escape the rescue of sinners, or the father of lies hoped that Jesus would sin, thus trap Jesus into the same penalty as the father of lies was trapped into.
SO the father of lies was offering Jesus an easy way out, rather than dying, just bow down and worship me. But Jesus declined the offer, so the devil planned to kill Jesus, just as the Jews hated Jesus and also wanted to get rid of Jesus.
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead?
Jesus was the father of living.
The Jews lived under the father of dying. Hence they could not see anything else but death.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
SO the father of living came to Abraham, and showed himself to Abraham, over the claim of making people live in Him, or die in Him (the dying part is actually allowing the father of dying to make fruits of death).
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus claimed to be living, from eternity, yet was also 35 years old when speaking to the Jews. How can this be?
SO the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus there and than... to kill Jesus for claiming to be God.
He is direct proof the Jews, were in fact opposing Jesus words, and wanting those words to be killed.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 25, 2021 11:00:15 GMT -5
Joh 8:21 ¶ Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. Correct – men who die in sin are not the First Fruits
Eze 18:21 ¶ But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Correct – repentance is open to all
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Correct – you deny that Jesus Christ was God – impossible you say You deny the spirit – and doubt the spiritual awakening gifted by Pentecost You goal is not to be the First Fruits – you only goal is the grave and await the First resurrection
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Yes – sin is always a choice (once you know better)) If you know better – and choose to sin anyway – then you are just following self / desire / lust
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. Why were the Jews trying to kill Jesus? Not in order to save themselves, but in order to get rid of Jesus.
Gal 3:7 know then that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Messiah, then you are Abraham’s seed—heirs according to the promise.
There are two types of Jews – religious and practicing Religious Jews are/were to busy following the Law to recognize what was before their sight To Religious Jews – the idea that Jesus claimed to be God was a blasphemy to them as it is to you Spiritual Jews became disciples – and the First Messianic Christians of the first century
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Clearly the Jews art not as they claim to be, but following a different system than what Abram was following. Correct – Abraham did not have the 613 Laws to remember and follow as a religious Jew Abraham just walked in communion with God – Abraham just practiced his faith
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Jesus is going to die simply because He is truth. Obviously the system the Jews are following does not like truth, so the Jews plan to kill Jesus, NOT to be saved by Jesus, but to get rid of Jesus. Correct – all scripture must be fulfilled Correct – God’s Plan on earth will unfold exactly as God wrote it
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Mat 26:2 “You know that Passover comes in two days, and the Son of Man will be handed over to be executed.”
Joh 18:32 This happened so that the word Yeshua spoke would be fulfilled, signifying what kind of death He was about to die.
2Co 5:15 And He died for all so that those who live might no longer live for themselves, but for the One who died for them and was raised.
Rom 6:8 Now if we have died with Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him.
1Th 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we may be awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.
Jesus dies so the Comforter could come to all who believe
Joh 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. Joh 16:8 “When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment:
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you.
And Jesus dies to fulfill all the scriptures
1Co 15:3 For I also passed on to you first of all what I also received—that Messiah died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 1Co 15:4 that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted yet He did not open His mouth. Like a lamb led to the slaughter, like a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
Psa 69:21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
Isa 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
God gave His Back Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. The 3D physical mage of God
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; These Jews accuse Jesus as born of fornication, while these Jews were born faithfully. Notice the irony. Correct – some Jews (possibly the majority) were religious Jews stuck in the Law But – many Jews also became the First Christians – First Disciples – First Apostles
Is it any different today – when the Rapture comes – how many Christians will remain behind still sitting in their church pew
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: But the Jews do not love Jesus, actually they hate Jesus and want to get rid of Him. Correct – if you were a spiritual Jew you became a Messianic Jew If you were a religious Jew – God used them to complete all the prophesies of the Messiah
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, What is interesting here is the devil-father is a murderer from the beginning. How is this possible? There is your answers there, but you do not read the passage with spiritual understanding.
What is meant by “Father” Galileo is the Father of Astronomy George Washington is the Father of my country What of - Lachlan Macquarie: The Father of Australia (wiki)
How can an angel sin and thus do murder from the beginning? They can’t – it is an archon created with only self
Joh 8:44 When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Please define your terms What is the deference between lying – and deceiving Because we have scripture telling us that spirit act as deceiving sprits in the service of the Lord
The devil-father is a murderer and also a father of lies. This is the system the Jews are following. YES – religious Jews – follow self – they think faith = things to do – a ritual to perform And God used these Jews to FACILITATE GOD’s WILL / God Plan – so that all mankind could be welcomed into he Jewish Faith = Messianic Judaism
Joh 8:51 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. God is a system of living. Satan is a system of dying. Correct – belief in Christ = eternal life – no second death If you don’t accept Christ - = second death
These words obviously oppose each other. I am sorry perhaps you misunderstand me, you are right, nothing and no-one can oppose GOD directly. Why do you keep referring to WAR in heaven – it is one of your only 2 foundational verses
when a creature sins, they are actually opposing GOD. Do you get my point? BS – when a person sins – he sure isn’t even think of God You have an opposition style religions – someone must oppose someone else always
All you can see is opposition
When God was opposing Baalim He did so to facilitate God’s Will / God’s Plan – end of story
Perhaps we could change the meaning to "block, blocking and blocker" No – only you play word games
The wages of opposing God is death. Does this mean that GOD does the killing or the opposer itself does? You commit suicide – no more – no less It is totally up to you – your choice – live with God as spirit or die and return to the dust like the animal you are
After we have read from the passage, not is as clear as the passage suggests. If a devil-angel can be a murderer from the beginning, who did this angel kill?
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
Notice the murderer kills one third of God's angels, and casts himself to earth. Why? perhaps the same reason why sinners who sin love darker places than the light. Perhaps the murderer sought a darker place to reside.
What a bunk of BS – First you claim that these 1/3rd are satans loyal followers in crime Now you suggest that satan is alone because the rest are dead
D" If you must follow God’s law – how can you be the executioner for the court of man R" Are you agreeing with me? Simply pointing out that your absolutism is in error
SO I ask you, were the Jews planning to kill Jesus, in order to get rid of Him? The Jews had to kill Jesus to fulfill scripture - DUH This idea came from the father of lies, Now God – the author of the ahl – is a liar for you
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? Jesus was the father of living. The Jews lived under the father of dying. Hence they could not see anything else but death. All Catholics are taught to hate the Jews for killing Jesus It is called – antisemitism – authored by Rome – and continually promoted by you
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus claimed to be living, from eternity, yet was also 35 years old when speaking to the Jews. How can this be? BECAUSE CHRIST IS GOD = TRINITY
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D" Is it any different today – when the Rapture comes – how many Christians will remain behind still sitting in their church pewR" Jesus says when he comes a second time, will I find faith on earth? These people are not faithful to Jesus, they do not support GOD. Most Christian people do not know what amanuah is. D" What is meant by “Father”R" A father (ab) is a provider. R How can an angel sin and thus do murder from the beginning?D" They can’t – it is an archon created with only selfR" You do not understand, do you? If the conscience is seared with a hot iron, if the provider of lies fills your mind so much that you fail to hear GOD anymore, if your pride rises and your humility fails, than you reach the unpardonable sin condition or no return. The wounding is complete, and the Provider of Death, has in fact terminated your living, so in daily dying you die. The angels are in fact on death row, established and created by themselves. The provider of dying, is in fact the provider of lies. He is a murderer from the beginning. You can be living for a time on grace and still be dying inside, your fate of non-existence is sealed by your own relationship standing with GOD. D" Because we have scripture telling us that spirit act as deceiving spirits in the service of the LordR" not a single reference to ra-angels serving the Lord, ye cannot have a source of both fresh water and salt water, ye cannot serve both masters at the same time. Show me a single torah text where evil angels are doing functional services for the Lord? R when a creature sins, they are actually opposing GOD. Do you get my point?D" BS – when a person sins – he sure isn’t even thinking of GodR" So a person sinning is not even thinking of GOD? Ro 14:23 : for whatsoever is not of amanuah is chataah. (KJV) So if you're NOT supporting GOD, you are infact opposing GOD. Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, No sapros (ra) is to ever come from your mouth, thus ra (sapros) is never supporting GOD 1Co 13:5 ...thinketh no evil; Pr 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: So if you are not thinking of GOD, you are in fact opposing GOD. Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. So is it the words that kill you, or God that kills you? It's your own choice of words that kill you. Some words have no living in them, these flow from the provider of dying. God's words have living in them. So your thinking of words is important, as as a person thinks, so his doing is. So Dave says " So a person sinning is not even thinking of GOD?", correct, that is why such a person is opposing God. D" All you can see is opposition
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world t o save sinners; of whom I am chief. (KJV) D" You commit suicide – no more – no less It is totally up to you – your choice – live with God as spirit or die and return to the dust like the animal you are
R" correct, your choice, and if you choose to not have words of living, your choices are opposing GOD, the source of your living, the loving Being who wants you to be living. But somehow you term having a bad choice BS, because you are opposing GOD. What would opposing GOD mean to you Dave, if you allowed such a concept to exist?D" What a bunk of BS – First you claim that these 1/3rd are satans loyal followers in crime Now you suggest that satan is alone because the rest are deadR" No wounding, does NOT necessarily mean the immediate removal of one's living. No wounding means removing the person's chances or rights to return saved by GOD. The sinning angel got lots of sinning angels to follow him, yes, but all these angels were mortally wounded with a fate of non-existence, wrought on them, by their own sinning. If you keep on sinning, you reach a point of not ever returning to GOD. Such returning becomes impossible. Because you no longer hear the still small voice of GOD in your mind. That's what no wounding means, in the torah. Sure it also means killing, whatever that means, ending living quickly, but also includes the end of living in the future. That is why GOD only judges you, not a satanic prosecutor as you claim helping also. No, GOD is the source of living, so GOD has records to make sure all the words you ever thought are held accountable to GOD. Let alone the words you spoke and the words you put into actions. D" Simply pointing out that your absolutism is in errorR" so transgressing law, is NOT opposing law? God wrote the law, so by transgressing law, you are opposing GOD? Absolutely yes. The torah says every word you think, and say and do has to be supporting GOD. You cannot think a single word that opposes GOD's words, or you are condemned to eternal non-existence. wow what condition we must enter into to be saved of GOD. This term is called surrender of self, or the term of dying to ra, so the living status of GOD takes over. But such an impossible task is possible if you allow GOD to flow through you, and many sin-offerings are NOT unto death, so God is gracious and kind and always full of love. D" All Catholics are taught to hate the Jews for killing JesusR " The Jews did not kill Jesus, the father of dying did, in hope that Jesus would not enter into dying for your mischief caused by the father of dying. Since Jesus has matched the claims of the father of dying and thus satisfied the claims of death, the process of living can be transferred to any person Jesus wishes to save, even if they have in them the process of dying. This process can now be removed and Jesus process of living replaced instead. SO the person can have confidence of living forever, as long as you remain supporting Jesus. ------------------------- D" Correct – all scripture must be fulfilledR you assume . Jesus was to lay down his life as a olah sacrifice for sin-offering, not the cruel fate of torture and death under the father of death, the opposing angel of sin. The term olah is a voluntary offering. Jesus came to meet the law regarding the penalty of mischief, that opposes living. I suppose if the law says no wounding, and you wound someone, the law says you must die immediately the state of eternal non-existence. The penalty is a consequence of the condition. Action and reaction, Reap what is sown. There is nothing opposing each other here. You sow what you reap. We might argue this is a behavioral gigantic form of conditioned program created by GOD, so the designer of the code is not required ? tube.mills.io/v/tdeMZcr4KScxNqFae4CH93.mp4?quality=240pI would argue the royal law is NOT a conditional action-reaction for creatures living under it. The fact that Jesus spoke of the father angel as a liar and a murderer, shows that the angels who sinned are in fact required to follow the royal laws as well. I see a more personal GOD, who cries and is moved every time you oppose his words of living. Not a single sparrow falls without our Father's notice. God is interested personally into every word you speak, and think and do. We have a personal GOD, not a skinners box. SO every sin you do actually hurts God and opposes God's love. D" Yes – sin is always a choice (once you know better))R " I would define sin as missing the person, nothing to do with choices per se. You either oppose the PERSON or you support that PERSON. People who oppose the PERSON, have SELF as their "god" rather than "GOD". People who support the PERSON, have "GOD" flowing through them continually. The difference between these two groups is the way you " take words". Ho 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Some words support GOD, other words oppose GOD. love not hate light not darkness edify not wound truth not falsehood humility not pride cry not mock living not dying communion not separation life not death Your view has both of these contrasts designed by GOD. My view has only the good designed by GOD, the ra is designed by SATAN. (This is a global term for all the sinning angels under the chief angel who sinned first, and thus is a general commander of an army of angels) And since all relationships come from GOD, and GOD is all there is, the evil relationships to a father of lies, has to be created by GOD in order for it to exist, hence why some of us are confused. As Einstein says, evil does not exist normally under GOD's love. D" And God used these Jews to FACILITATE GOD’s WILL R" No, the lamb was to enter the temple under praise, lay down his life for his friends under praise, not torture, to release the sinner from the father of mischief. However GOD who reads all things future, wrote a pierced messiah, tortured for sin-offering under the father of death, who opposed this salvation system, because it ends the father of mischief right to remain living. Shalom
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