Post by Dave on Jan 27, 2021 19:05:53 GMT -5
My problems with SDA doctrine and why I think it is error
I have asked these question over and over – but some people do not have to defend their own doctrine – they can only attack and tear down others – a true Christian gift
I have gathered some of my own – unanswered questions - here
Could someone please explain to me why these doctrine are anywhere close to reality
POINT #1 - vegetarian sharks
I see God’s creation as glorious thing – in a delicate balance between entropy and neg-entropy
It is called nature – and nature comes with a food chain
And nature comes with natural ra – it is inherent to physical creation
Gen 2:4 These are the genealogical records of the heavens and the earth when they were created, at the time when Adonai Elohim made land and sky.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations
How do you get generations forming a genealogical record – without the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth – trees do it – microbes do it – birds do it – fish do it - and beast do it
And all of it - whose seed is in itself, - after his kind: -
No evolution – no changing of form – no changing of species
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
The SDA say all of this never happened – it was 6 - 24hr days as measured today
Then Adam sinned – only then could nature grow and develop
I read scripture and it says
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,
Scripture says it is a man thing – SDA insist it is a global nature thing
I so disagree with this – I look at reality – you have these magical fantasy lands of tov only and play religious what-if-games – couldn’t God make a planet somewhere with tov
My job is not to guess on what He can or cannot do – or what He might do
My job is only to witness my own reality – 2021 Colorado, USA, planet earth, archon land
the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
POINT #2 - 6 - 24hr days + Day 7
Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
Heb 4:5 and again in this passage: “They shall never enter My rest.”
Heb 4:6 So then it remains for some to enter into it;
If a day to God is only 24 today hours – as 6 - 24 hour days of creation
Shouldn’t this day of rest be over 5287 years ago?
How can it - remains for some to enter into it?
The Gnostic answer – Time is not linear and any argument about time from man’s perspective is just error
Let’s talk Incremental Creation – which is just the 6 days of Genesis spread out over a much longer time than just 6 – 24hr days
I love the Lord – and I allow Him the right to appreciate his own creation
I allow God to play – experiment – and enjoy the process
Day three comes around – God makes something in the morning – and enjoys it – watches it grow like a gardener with a prize rose
Later that same day – he makes something else – again God has time to enjoy his creation – watches it grow – being a proud father – enjoying His creation
Let’s talk day 5 and the beast – the age of the dino – starting small – growing larger and more dominate over the planet – yester ra instinct expressed fully as a predator – the sum of all chaos
God had time to watch all of this unfold – appreciating His creation – watching it grow and expressing it’s yester ra to its extremes
Let talk day 6 – it ended
Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good. So there was evening and there was morning—the sixth day.
Day 7- Oops! Not a 24hr day – so far it has been 5287 years long according to the Jewish Calendar
Robert Method – a day = 24hrs – or it doesn’t
For the scripture of Paul in the agl to be correct – a day cannot be only 24hrs
If there is time for us to enter into God’s day of rest - then - There was plenty of time for God to enjoy and appreciate watching His creation grow and mature – as every father does
The rush to make the 6 days of creation only 24hr man days – is man centric
Creation is God centric - it is all about God’s creation – not just man
Man is just one small part of it – it is our part and in our arrogant limited view we just think it is all about us
POINT #3 – Creation is OVER – God’s day of Rest
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
SDA teaches – 6 24 hr days
Question – How do you get Gen 2:4 These are the generations – in 6 – 24hr days
SDA teaches – nothing ever died or rotted and sharks were all vegetarian
Question – How do you get - Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply,
Without - the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
Now here is a big question for the die hard SDA
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Judaism / Gnosticism / and most Christianity I am familiar with teach – Creation is over – God is finished with creation and whether they accept entropy – the scripture says it will all wind down into chaos – then God will intervene - Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Man is a full part of the host of heaven - the First Fruits
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
There we are standing before the Throne anlong side the angels- a full part of the host
Jer 1:5 (KJV) Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
Jer 1:5 (TLV) “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you,
Jer 1:5 (YLT) 'Before I form thee in the belly, I have known thee;
Jer 1:5 (OJB) Before I formed thee in the beten I knew thee;
Jer 1:5 (Bishop's) Before I fashioned thee in thy mothers wombe, I dyd knowe thee:
All men were created before Gen 2:1 - there is no new creation after Day 6
From God we came - souljourn here - and to God we return
The happenings within the garden were in full view of all men and all the heavens
Why does SDA teach that ra and human beings – are continually recreated – or created from scratch all the time – every day – God does more creation - after day 6?
Ra was created by Adam on Day 7 or your satan sometime earlier - you are not sure
If not ra – then sin was created on day 7 – by man (Adam)or your satan sometime earlier - you are not sure
and as a result - God had to re-create all the preditors so they could kill and eat meat
God also had to re-create thorns and thistles
And every time a new baby is born into this world – God makes new human being
Or man is only procreated by man as biological animal children and has no spirit - just a biological brain and consciousness
Why does the SDA speak against the commands of the creator
And all of it - whose seed is in itself, - after his kind: -
No evolution – no changing of form – no changing of species
But you insist that creation is able to re-create themselves by their own power
By saying that angels can change their form and function by their own will- after creation was over
I have asked these question over and over – but some people do not have to defend their own doctrine – they can only attack and tear down others – a true Christian gift
I have gathered some of my own – unanswered questions - here
Could someone please explain to me why these doctrine are anywhere close to reality
POINT #1 - vegetarian sharks
I see God’s creation as glorious thing – in a delicate balance between entropy and neg-entropy
It is called nature – and nature comes with a food chain
And nature comes with natural ra – it is inherent to physical creation
Gen 2:4 These are the genealogical records of the heavens and the earth when they were created, at the time when Adonai Elohim made land and sky.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations
How do you get generations forming a genealogical record – without the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth – trees do it – microbes do it – birds do it – fish do it - and beast do it
And all of it - whose seed is in itself, - after his kind: -
No evolution – no changing of form – no changing of species
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
The SDA say all of this never happened – it was 6 - 24hr days as measured today
Then Adam sinned – only then could nature grow and develop
I read scripture and it says
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,
Scripture says it is a man thing – SDA insist it is a global nature thing
I so disagree with this – I look at reality – you have these magical fantasy lands of tov only and play religious what-if-games – couldn’t God make a planet somewhere with tov
My job is not to guess on what He can or cannot do – or what He might do
My job is only to witness my own reality – 2021 Colorado, USA, planet earth, archon land
the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
POINT #2 - 6 - 24hr days + Day 7
Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
Heb 4:5 and again in this passage: “They shall never enter My rest.”
Heb 4:6 So then it remains for some to enter into it;
If a day to God is only 24 today hours – as 6 - 24 hour days of creation
Shouldn’t this day of rest be over 5287 years ago?
How can it - remains for some to enter into it?
The Gnostic answer – Time is not linear and any argument about time from man’s perspective is just error
Let’s talk Incremental Creation – which is just the 6 days of Genesis spread out over a much longer time than just 6 – 24hr days
I love the Lord – and I allow Him the right to appreciate his own creation
I allow God to play – experiment – and enjoy the process
Day three comes around – God makes something in the morning – and enjoys it – watches it grow like a gardener with a prize rose
Later that same day – he makes something else – again God has time to enjoy his creation – watches it grow – being a proud father – enjoying His creation
Let’s talk day 5 and the beast – the age of the dino – starting small – growing larger and more dominate over the planet – yester ra instinct expressed fully as a predator – the sum of all chaos
God had time to watch all of this unfold – appreciating His creation – watching it grow and expressing it’s yester ra to its extremes
Let talk day 6 – it ended
Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good. So there was evening and there was morning—the sixth day.
Day 7- Oops! Not a 24hr day – so far it has been 5287 years long according to the Jewish Calendar
Robert Method – a day = 24hrs – or it doesn’t
For the scripture of Paul in the agl to be correct – a day cannot be only 24hrs
If there is time for us to enter into God’s day of rest - then - There was plenty of time for God to enjoy and appreciate watching His creation grow and mature – as every father does
The rush to make the 6 days of creation only 24hr man days – is man centric
Creation is God centric - it is all about God’s creation – not just man
Man is just one small part of it – it is our part and in our arrogant limited view we just think it is all about us
POINT #3 – Creation is OVER – God’s day of Rest
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
SDA teaches – 6 24 hr days
Question – How do you get Gen 2:4 These are the generations – in 6 – 24hr days
SDA teaches – nothing ever died or rotted and sharks were all vegetarian
Question – How do you get - Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply,
Without - the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth = Gen 2:4 These are the generations
Now here is a big question for the die hard SDA
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Judaism / Gnosticism / and most Christianity I am familiar with teach – Creation is over – God is finished with creation and whether they accept entropy – the scripture says it will all wind down into chaos – then God will intervene - Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Man is a full part of the host of heaven - the First Fruits
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
There we are standing before the Throne anlong side the angels- a full part of the host
Jer 1:5 (KJV) Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
Jer 1:5 (TLV) “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you,
Jer 1:5 (YLT) 'Before I form thee in the belly, I have known thee;
Jer 1:5 (OJB) Before I formed thee in the beten I knew thee;
Jer 1:5 (Bishop's) Before I fashioned thee in thy mothers wombe, I dyd knowe thee:
All men were created before Gen 2:1 - there is no new creation after Day 6
From God we came - souljourn here - and to God we return
The happenings within the garden were in full view of all men and all the heavens
Why does SDA teach that ra and human beings – are continually recreated – or created from scratch all the time – every day – God does more creation - after day 6?
Ra was created by Adam on Day 7 or your satan sometime earlier - you are not sure
If not ra – then sin was created on day 7 – by man (Adam)or your satan sometime earlier - you are not sure
and as a result - God had to re-create all the preditors so they could kill and eat meat
God also had to re-create thorns and thistles
And every time a new baby is born into this world – God makes new human being
Or man is only procreated by man as biological animal children and has no spirit - just a biological brain and consciousness
Why does the SDA speak against the commands of the creator
And all of it - whose seed is in itself, - after his kind: -
No evolution – no changing of form – no changing of species
But you insist that creation is able to re-create themselves by their own power
By saying that angels can change their form and function by their own will- after creation was over