Post by Dave on Dec 14, 2020 2:04:01 GMT -5
So what is the "second birth" about?
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
If man has already the "spirit body" and the "animal body" inside us, why than does Jesus say we need a second birth process, this "borning of the Spirit" ? Don't we have a "spirit body" already?
If you don’t get it – I doubt I can explain it to you
How do you know your wife is real?
You do more than just believe she is real
You do more than strongly believe with conviction (faith) that she is real
NO – you have firsthand knowledge – and you know she is real
She is not a belief – a hope – or conviction – she is a fact
Do you have firsthand knowledge of my wife? – no
Have you ever spoke to her – hear her voice on the phone – seen her picture – no
All you have is my word – and you believe me
Since we are friends – you have great faith that your belief in me is valid
But you do not have firsthand knowledge of her
With firsthand knowledge
If someone told you I was making her up – you would answer you know better
Without firsthand knowledge
If you discover I was just making her up – you would shake your head and feel silly for believing me
2Ki 6:15 Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was surrounding the city. So his attendant said to him, “Alas, my master! What are we going to do?”
2Ki 6:16 “Fear not,” he replied, “for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
2Ki 6:17 Then Elisha prayed and said, “Adonai, please open his eyes that he may see.” Then Adonai opened the eyes of the young man and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Elisha gnosis – his servant did not
Elisha prays – open his eyes – let him see
Now the servant gnosis
BOOM – the transition from belief to firsthand gnosis is a shock – no turning back – a memorable event
I remember my moment – was it the stuff movies are made of – no – but I know when and where
If man has already the "spirit body" and the "animal body" inside us, why than does Jesus say we need a second birth process, this "borning of the Spirit" ? Don't we have a "spirit body" already?
OK – no more spirit bodies – just spirit – it has a from but not of corporeal matter
Man is a spirit – this is our true form
We come into this world – for a physical souljourn – on a mission
But tov is not aggressive – tov is not dominate in this realm – tov is meek in this realm
And yester ra dominates our thoughts and mind – and dreams – fantasies
Yester ra is instinctive programming of the animal – so I suppose it is hardwired into our DNA
Pretend – yester tov – is a recessive trait – and yester ra a dominate trait
Now – we are all born with instinctive knowledge of God – it is imprinted on our spirit – it is written in our soul
But – life is hard – nights are cold – hunger is real – so are hormones – weeds in the garden
But – the archon cause man to become sidetracked – focused on anything but what counts
Sex – Drugs – Rock-n-Roll – careers – jobs – kids – health – depression – anxiety – doubt
Yester tov is still inside – just forgotten about
Sure it makes itself known from time to time – as in a guilty conscious
But man does not choose to live in the tov – because it is self-sacrifice / self-less
The animal of man is born with a powerful instinct for self-preservation
To be Born of Spirit – to be Born Again
When the spirit of God touches your spirit and Boom – your eyes are opened
Act 2:1 When the day of Shavuot had come, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 Suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And tongues like fire spreading out appeared to them and settled on each one of them.
Act 2:4 They were all filled with the Ruach ha-Kodesh and began to speak in other tongues as the Ruach enabled them to speak out.
On the day of Pentecost – the disciples were given POWER and GIFTS – after that they could speak in tongues
Act 4:31 When they had prayed, the place where they were gathered was shaken. And they were all filled with the Ruach ha-Kodesh and began to speak the word of God with boldness.
They were filled with the Spirit of God
Psa 51:12 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Renewal of our spirit – awakening of our spirit
Psa 51:13 Do not cast me from Your presence—take not Your Ruach ha-Kodesh from me.
And my this communion last and last
And it does – until your animal behavior chases it away again
This is an event – it is a powerful event – if it happens you will no longer doubt
I have heard many witness stories – about God touching someone in some way
The internet is filled with stories – near death – dead but returned – saved – visions
People meeting Christ – in real life changing events
I will not doubt these witnesses – who am I to judge – no one
Stories – just like UFO stories – are all of them real – NO
If any are real – the fakes are just a distraction
I have been to Pentecostal services when people spoke in tongues
The room was certainly electrically charged – but it wasn’t comfortable for me
I was able to spend a week at the Episcopal Seminary in Alexandria Virginia
There were no doors on the bathroom stalls or the dorm rooms – I wasn’t comfortable there either
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
If man has already the "spirit body" and the "animal body" inside us, why than does Jesus say we need a second birth process, this "borning of the Spirit" ? Don't we have a "spirit body" already?
If you don’t get it – I doubt I can explain it to you
How do you know your wife is real?
You do more than just believe she is real
You do more than strongly believe with conviction (faith) that she is real
NO – you have firsthand knowledge – and you know she is real
She is not a belief – a hope – or conviction – she is a fact
Do you have firsthand knowledge of my wife? – no
Have you ever spoke to her – hear her voice on the phone – seen her picture – no
All you have is my word – and you believe me
Since we are friends – you have great faith that your belief in me is valid
But you do not have firsthand knowledge of her
With firsthand knowledge
If someone told you I was making her up – you would answer you know better
Without firsthand knowledge
If you discover I was just making her up – you would shake your head and feel silly for believing me
2Ki 6:15 Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was surrounding the city. So his attendant said to him, “Alas, my master! What are we going to do?”
2Ki 6:16 “Fear not,” he replied, “for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
2Ki 6:17 Then Elisha prayed and said, “Adonai, please open his eyes that he may see.” Then Adonai opened the eyes of the young man and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Elisha gnosis – his servant did not
Elisha prays – open his eyes – let him see
Now the servant gnosis
BOOM – the transition from belief to firsthand gnosis is a shock – no turning back – a memorable event
I remember my moment – was it the stuff movies are made of – no – but I know when and where
If man has already the "spirit body" and the "animal body" inside us, why than does Jesus say we need a second birth process, this "borning of the Spirit" ? Don't we have a "spirit body" already?
OK – no more spirit bodies – just spirit – it has a from but not of corporeal matter
Man is a spirit – this is our true form
We come into this world – for a physical souljourn – on a mission
But tov is not aggressive – tov is not dominate in this realm – tov is meek in this realm
And yester ra dominates our thoughts and mind – and dreams – fantasies
Yester ra is instinctive programming of the animal – so I suppose it is hardwired into our DNA
Pretend – yester tov – is a recessive trait – and yester ra a dominate trait
Now – we are all born with instinctive knowledge of God – it is imprinted on our spirit – it is written in our soul
But – life is hard – nights are cold – hunger is real – so are hormones – weeds in the garden
But – the archon cause man to become sidetracked – focused on anything but what counts
Sex – Drugs – Rock-n-Roll – careers – jobs – kids – health – depression – anxiety – doubt
Yester tov is still inside – just forgotten about
Sure it makes itself known from time to time – as in a guilty conscious
But man does not choose to live in the tov – because it is self-sacrifice / self-less
The animal of man is born with a powerful instinct for self-preservation
To be Born of Spirit – to be Born Again
When the spirit of God touches your spirit and Boom – your eyes are opened
Act 2:1 When the day of Shavuot had come, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 Suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And tongues like fire spreading out appeared to them and settled on each one of them.
Act 2:4 They were all filled with the Ruach ha-Kodesh and began to speak in other tongues as the Ruach enabled them to speak out.
On the day of Pentecost – the disciples were given POWER and GIFTS – after that they could speak in tongues
Act 4:31 When they had prayed, the place where they were gathered was shaken. And they were all filled with the Ruach ha-Kodesh and began to speak the word of God with boldness.
They were filled with the Spirit of God
Psa 51:12 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Renewal of our spirit – awakening of our spirit
Psa 51:13 Do not cast me from Your presence—take not Your Ruach ha-Kodesh from me.
And my this communion last and last
And it does – until your animal behavior chases it away again
This is an event – it is a powerful event – if it happens you will no longer doubt
I have heard many witness stories – about God touching someone in some way
The internet is filled with stories – near death – dead but returned – saved – visions
People meeting Christ – in real life changing events
I will not doubt these witnesses – who am I to judge – no one
Stories – just like UFO stories – are all of them real – NO
If any are real – the fakes are just a distraction
I have been to Pentecostal services when people spoke in tongues
The room was certainly electrically charged – but it wasn’t comfortable for me
I was able to spend a week at the Episcopal Seminary in Alexandria Virginia
There were no doors on the bathroom stalls or the dorm rooms – I wasn’t comfortable there either