Why Scripture is Intentionally Confusing?

[Dave]

D So – you deny that the WORD created anything
R No but again you do not read all the torah

Ps 33:6 By the word of the Yashuah were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the "HS medium of breath" of his mouth. ( meaning behind the Hebrew)

Therefore all members of Godhead were involved as Jesus created.
YEP! – that would be the Word in the beginning that is God + The Word that is with God (HS) + the Word that is God (Christ) – Trinity

Exo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.”
Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock.
Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by.
Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.”

No man can see E and live
But we can experience his GLORY – SPIRIT (HS)
Or we can experience his form (back) as in image (Christ)

Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1 = Trinity

DO a word study of bara yourself... I have...
It means to “fatten” what was already there

D: "Personally - I am a monothiest that believe in my One True God is absolute
R So how does one Being express love, a character quality of GOD?
Because He is God loving His creation – you say this is impossible

Nov 21, 2020 15:49:54 GMT -5 @robertt said:

R So how does one Being express love, a character quality of GOD?
Joh 3:16 For elohiym so loved the world, that elohiym gave elohiym's only begotten Son,
Notice the verse, elohiym has love, and in that love is a SON, a one and only SON. You would expect this to be true since love in a quality of elohiym.

What is God loving here - Answer - His creation

All three family members of elohiym is mentioned here.
Of course they are – because 3 are 1 as in a Trinity

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D: "Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1 = Trinity
R What you agree with me?
SO why isn't 3in1, not polytheism?

As for trinity, Scripture never uses the term as a word, but the prnciple of 3 in 1 is there.

D: "Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1
R Same theology as I have in general, yet you call mine polythesim and yours is monothesim.
Go figure?

D: "It means to “fatten” what was already there
R going into the woods to "Fatten" down some cut trees, makes no sense Dave.

What with timber were the men "Fattening" with the wood they cut down?

They were engineering the wood into something, makes more sense.

Another example is bara pieces of meat for an offering.

They did not fatten the meat as an offering.

They engineered the meat as an offering. Weird I know. Meaning cut the meat in special ways.

R So how does one Being express love, a character quality of GOD?
D Because He is God loving His creation
This does not follow Scripture:

Joh 3:16 For elohiym so loved the world, that elohiym gave elohiym's only begotten Son.

Nowhere is this verse speaking of a created, creation Being. Yet its speaking of love.

The love demonstrated here is between a divine Father and His divine Son.

Come on Dave, can't you read the torah as it reads?

D: "Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1
R You just said you followed the torah, 3 in 1. Maybe you don't follow torah at all, but only say you do?

D What is God loving here - Answer - His creation

R All three family members of elohiym is mentioned here.
Of course they are – because 3 are 1 as in a Trinity

R OH, I see. Notice your focus in the text:

Joh 3:16 For elohiym so loved
"the world",
that elohiym gave elohiym's only begotten Son.

Hence your answer is GOD loves HIs Creation.
Notice my focus:

Joh 3:16 For elohiym so loved ...
that elohiym gave elohiym's only begotten Son

I do not have an object of God's love, I am looking at God's love.
You are looking at what God loves.

I am looking at God's love.

Our focus is different and hence our views of God is different.

OK try another verse:

1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

This verse written by the same disciple Jesus kept on loving, writes clearly about love.

He says elohiym is love. This love was not just for His creation, but because of God's love toward us.

1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. (KJV)

Again John speaks that elohiym is love in itself. And if you dwell in this love you dwell with elohiym.

These verses suggest to me elohiym is love, NOT showing LOVE only to His Creatures?

Now Dave is what I am saying true or not?

D: "Of course they are – because 3 are 1
R Dave you term my idea of 3 in 1 polythesism, but your idea of 3 in 1 is monthesim.
Is this not confusing?

DO you agree this 3 in 1, can demonstrate love within the 3 in 1, nothing to do with loving Creation, but demonstrating the function of loving within elohiym itself, this 3 in 1, you keep quoting to me?

John says "elohiym is love".

Shalom

[Dave]

D: "Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1 = Trinity
R What you agree with me?
SO why isn't 3in1, not polytheism?
E = mc2
There is only one E – there is only one source – there is only one God
(m)= E in a different form – God is Christ
(c2) = E in a different form – God is Spirit

As for trinity, Scripture never uses the term as a word, but the principle of 3 in 1 is there.
Argue words – just to argue

D: "Simple – as the Torah says – 3 in 1
R Same theology as I have in general, yet you call mine polythesim and yours is monothesim.
Go figure?

First - You argue that God and Christ must be two completely different gods – completely independent from one another. But you cannot decide to which God to give credit for creation. ahl says God the Father did it. agl say Christ the Son did it – you must be so confused
Second – then you say – Even tho God and Christ are totally independent form one another – you also say Spirit is unable to independent – The Spirit CAN NOT do anything on her own

You are so confused - - because you will not admit that the HS is God or that Christ is God
They are three independent beings – they must be – and your argument is
God cannot love Himself – god must be three different beings separate and independent in order for love to be exchanged between the group

You pretend to be a monotheist – then speak of different and separate gods
And asks questions like - R So how does one Being express love, a character quality of GOD?
See – you deny that God is one-

D: "It means to “fatten” what was already there
R going into the woods to "Fatten" down some cut trees, makes no sense Dave.
YEP! What used to be trees were fattened into all the buildings – I agree
The trees were cut down / cut up/ and spread all around - fattened

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D: "YEP! What used to be trees were fattened into all the buildings – I agree
The trees were cut down / cut up/ and spread all around - fattened

R I smiled into a laugh

The trees were fattened into a weapon of siege?

Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and "bara" for thyself there in the land

If you use wood to engineer something like some tool.

1Sa 2:29 Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves "bara" with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?

When you eat, the cells biologically engineer certain foods to make you fat.

All the verses of "bara" fit better with "engineer" than fatten.

Biologically filled grains of wheat, yes is fattening, but the cells engineer the chemicals into other chemicals.

Engineer is a better word I feel, than fattening.
I welcome your discussion.

bara "the home head strongs". What is the Home Head? An engineer, who strongs. A verb.

Does something. Creates, engineer, fattens. The two letters are important:

The "Home Head" is a description of Jesus, the main engineer mentioned in the torah.

The home head is a simile of grain, the seed.

Hence kiss the grain, in Psalms 2. The KJV misses the meaning of home head, and uses "Son" instead. There is much in these three letters, BRA.

Shalom