Letter to Robert

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We agree Dave but also disagree. I am confused yet excited by your comments

Please explain:

R Another personal function of the Eloah? No
D YES! – this is not a new and different god

So you see Hebrew parallels here, that the Eloah and Shadday are the same Being, ie Father-YWHW

You also suggest the YHWH expresses both masculine and feminine traits of love, as expressions of two personalities of love, but from the same single Being.

How is this possible? Some worms can do this, express both genders, have sex to themselves if no partner is around. Why not have two personalities of loving, rather than one being as two expressions?




R Both the SHadday and the ELoah function as heavenly parents. Luke 1:35 has this idea
D YES! – God is the father of the All – the HS is the Womb of the All

Yes but you the ONE being coming down with both expressions at the same time doing the mystery of incarnation for the SON of GOD.

Isn't it easier to view elohiym as a family, as Epehsian 3:15,16 suggest?


Dave: "The Spirit of God is not matter
The Holy Spirit is not matter

Rob is puzzled: I though you said the HS is of matter, now it's not???


Dave: "And the HS is not a separate individual god that needs help to do something

OK just an feminine expression of the Father.

Dave this is NOT possible.

A shadow cannot be made from ONE Being. You need two Beings separated by space, as two blocks of stuff, to make shadows happen.


Notice the diagram.

If you suggest the Father can produce Himself into TWO Expressions/Beings, how do you make this idea different from mine? It's essentially the same idea, just different words. Two expressions.... what is an expression... another word  for Being?

Happy Sabbath

[Dave]

Please explain:
R Another personal function of the Eloah? No
D YES! – this is not a new and different god
So you see Hebrew parallels here, that the Eloah and Shadday are the same Being, ie Father-YWHW
YES! God = Christ = HS = shekinah = The Son of God = Shaddy = Sophia = = = there is only one God
MONO-Theoism

You also suggest the YHWH expresses both masculine and feminine traits of love, as expressions of two personalities of love, but from the same single Being.

How is this possible? Some worms can do this, express both genders
Robert – God is not a worm – or a man – or a cow – stop anthropomorphizing the heavens

Let’s start with something very simple and very Jewish
YHWY – is the one and only God – the only and only creator
YHWY – is beyond man’s ability to describe or comprehend
What is God – the Jewish answer = beyond us – indescribable

Gnostic dimensionalism
God = the 1st dimension = a singularity –
A singularity that contains all power (omnipotent)
A singularity that contains all data (omniscient)
It is un-locatable and indescribable

No man can see God and live

Shekinah = Jewish = the female aspect of God that mingles among the people
Why female – because the shekeinah is the compassion of God that mingles and cares for her children as a mother – she comes to comfort in child birth – and she is there at the end of life

This is not God the Father with power and judgment – this is His famine aspect that mothers you when your sick

God remains on His throne – the shekinah is the spirit of God reaching out to man
The invisible spirit of God – which is Holy = Holy Spirit

Gnostic – NAMES DON’T MATTER – shekinah – HS – Comforter – the Breath of God - or even Sophia the Goddess of Wisdom – the one who teaches

Christianity – The Jews were waiting for a Messiah sent from God
The shocker is – the Messiah is God who came in the form of a man – a 3D image

God remains on His throne – the shekinah is the spirit of God reaching out to man
The invisible spirit of God – which is Holy = Holy Spirit
God remains on His throne – Christ is the image of God reaching out to man
The visible image of God – Jesus Christ – the Savior – the Son of God and the Son of man

E = visible m and invisible c2
God = Christ and the Holy Spirit

You deny the spirit – so you are unable to grasps the implications of the HS

R Both the SHadday and the ELoah function as heavenly parents. Luke 1:35 has this idea
D YES! – God is the father of the All – the HS is the Womb of the All

Yes but you the ONE being coming down with both expressions at the same time doing the mystery of incarnation for the SON of GOD.
Isn't it easier to view elohiym as a family, as Epehsian 3:15,16 suggest?
Only if your gods are people not one amazing spirit beyond imagination

DO NOT FORGET SCALE
At the very heart of matter – are small clouds of energy held together by non-corporeal forces
(m) = energy (E) expressed via a medium (but before Gen 1:0 there was no medium)
(m) = energy (E) expresses – expanded – exploded – fattened into the medium (c2)

Now (c2) is the medium – the matrix / ether – it is omnipresent
(c2) – is not a thing – it is the speed of light with an exponent – it is invisible nothing – yet it is everywhere simultaneously
(c2) is a speed – what does that mean? – speed = distance
The invisible (c2) is the E at distance
The Holy Spirit is God at distance – God (E) never leaves His throne
The shekeinah is God at distance mingling among the people

The 3rd dimension = the 1st D expressed through the 2nd D
The 3rd dimension = (E) expressed (fattened) through the matrix / either (c2)

OR John 1:1-4 – God is the thought – the HS is the word expressed – Christ is the word in form (image)
Christ = God = HS -

Even the Jews believe this
As man look back up through the 10 dimensions / heavens / seferots
We do not see God directly
We experience him by the right hand – which is male
Or by the left hand which is female


Dave: "The Spirit of God is not matter
The Holy Spirit is not matter
Rob is puzzled: I though you said the HS is of matter, now it's not???
SEE – you confuse yourself – you post an idea then argue against yourself

Sept 30, 2020 13:43:17 GMT -5 @robertt said:

D: "Why cannot God create spirit?
You have a mental block of some kind – as if a ruler is preventing you from being serious
R: Don't you have an answer?

Anything created has to be of matter, hence your "spirit idea" is made of matter.

Matter = E/c2

God cannot make E into E1, E2, E3,
"spirit" is "ruwach" a term of divinity.

Oct 1, 2020 14:03:24 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Is this medium personal, or just a force from the Father?
We know from Scripture, that the medium (ruwach) is created.

Am 4:13 For, lo, he createth <bara'> the wind <ruwach>,

So where is this "ruwach" created from?

Job 33:4 The Spirit <ruwach> of God <'el> hath made <`asah> me, and the breath <n@shamah> of the Almighty <Shadday> hath given me life <chayah>.

Hope this helps you.

Oct 2, 2020 16:47:37 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Dave: "The Spirit of God is not matter
The Holy Spirit is not matter

Rob is puzzled: I though you said the HS is of matter, now it's not???

Which is it Robert – which view do you hold
Spirt is matter – or it isn’t

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I get your view in a way, GOD created one BEING (gender male Adam) to begin with, than pulled out of this one Being, a different personality whose loving style is different to the gender male. She loves differently to the man.

But you cannot really explain the shadow experiment.

How can one Being, block His own light, causing a filtered light over planet earth, if the second Being has to be separated by space? and be solid?

How can One Being, be male and female, so they both come over Mary to incarnate a Son of GOD, who is essentially yet a part of the Father expressed in humanity's body?

And you have these bodies, talk and moan and cry, like as if they are independent Beings?

And to add to your logic flaws, you have the left hand of the Father doing a creation the right hand doesn't know? How can the right hand not know the left hand?

Truly your logic is flawed, and beyond understanding.

Some as M theory, that maths can create all by itself, from nothing by nothing.

You have one being creating all things, yet can become two beings, so one hand cannot know what the other hand is creating. Weird.

So in your theory the Father died on the cross for sinners.
Why all the complexity of names and expressions if your theory is true?

You say GOD is unexplainable? really? "elohiym" is defined, when you investigate all 3,000 verses of it as best "family powers".

A judge is a family power, is it not? Not something unexplainable?
A calf idol is a family power of deity, is it not? The calf was the first letter of Hebrew, the strong one. The letter represents 24 other letters, a family idea.

Moses is a family power, his brother was Aaron, a priest. Moses was a family power figure to Pharoah.

In Ephesians 3:15, 16, GOD is named as a family idea.

Was not Abram told to sacrifice his one and only son, what do we have here in poetry similes? A family idea.

And you say elohiym is unknown idea?

[Dave]

I just want to point out that I asked you to clearify your view
instead of offering any clearification - you attack a complete different topic

Truly Dave’s view is beyond Robert’s understanding.
It is obvious that you are not capable of abstract thought
It is obvious that your understanding of science it not at the PhD level
And it is completely obvious that you are in the practice of dismissing anything that doesn’t fit your view
And sometimes I worry about your reading comprehension

Some as M theory, that maths can create all by itself, from nothing by nothing.
M Theory is cool – once it was an attempt to replace sting theories’ 10 dimensions with 11 dimensions
And the 11th dimension is a “singularity” encompasses – encloses - contains all other 10 dimensions

The 11th dimension = the String Theorist 1st dimension

M theory is related to bubble dimensions – and the 11th D is one giant bubble that contain the other 10Ds

Bubble theory = each universe = parallel
String theory and scripture – is a stepped energy levels – each level is an increase in energy – as in closer to God
As in the 7 energy levels of the periodic table

[Deleted]

I didn't think anybody would find M theory cool. wow...

As for your clarification question:

D: "Which is it Robert – which view do you hold
Spirit is matter – or it isn’t

The HS is divine, not of matter. The medium agency of the HS is matter, (ie how the HS works) but the HS itself, ie the Shadday, is divine, and NOT of matter.

Does this help?

Shalom

[Dave]

Oct 4, 2020 6:00:26 GMT -5 @robertt said:

I didn't think anybody would find M theory cool. wow...

Do you understand the theory and its implications?
Each universe is a bubble – and each bubble is parallel
And all 10 of these bubbles are contained within the 11th bubble – a singularity
Like each universe is a subset of the whole
String theory is better supported by the experiments with the hadron collider
As particles are smashed to release some of the inner sub-atomic –particles – some of these released sub-atomic-particles seem to disappear into nothingness

This violates the laws of thermodynamics that energy cannot be destroyed – only translated or transmuted

This is at the heart of String Theory
What happens to these disappearing particles?
The math was invented in the early 1700s by mathematicians
It never had an application until 1981 – when it perfectly describes the colliders findings

These sub-atomic-particles – do not disappear into nothingness
They disappear by moving into a different dimension
The difference with parallelism = these other dimensions are of higher energy – not parallel

The quote of the century – Eric Weinstein (ackennazi Jew physicist)
A unified field theory will never be found – because part of the math resides in a different dimension with different rules

As for your clarification question:

D: "Which is it Robert – which view do you hold
Spirit is matter – or it isn’t

The HS is divine, not of matter. The medium agency of the HS is matter, (ie how the HS works) but the HS itself, ie the Shadday, is divine, and NOT of matter.

Please tell me what this means – the HS is divine not of matter
But the HS is matter when it is a medium

So – what type of matter enters your body when the HS comforts us?
And when the HS witnesses with our spirit – what type of matter is this?

When this matter comes into man – does it leave a hole somewhere – like an injection site – when this HS matter comes into us

The Greeks say – the logos hold all the particles of the world together
What type of matter are this forces

The HS is the sustainer of everything – how does matter do this – is the HS some type of matter we have to eat or drink – as in communion with a man in authority

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From Ellen White: " The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of fanciful views will not strengthen the church. Regarding mysteries which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.

( explaining agency functions is too deep)

The Holy Spirit convicts of sin. See John 16:8. If the sinner responds, he will be brought to repentance and aroused to the importance of obeying the divine requirements. To the repentant sinner, the Holy Spirit reveals the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Christ said, “He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” John 14:26.

( we must claim the prayer promises of Jesus daily, so we are not found missing is any areas of out life - indeed we support Jesus and thus perfectly support the royal torah of Elohiym)

The Spirit is given as a regenerating agency, to make effectual the salvation wrought by the death of our Redeemer. The Spirit is constantly seeking to draw attention to the cross of Calvary, to unfold the love of God, and to open to the convicted soul the precious things of the Scriptures. Having brought conviction of sin, the Holy Spirit withdraws the affections from the things of this earth and fills the soul with a desire for holiness. “He will guide you into all truth.” John 16:13. The Spirit will take the things of God and stamp them on the soul.

( we grow into Jesus, via the HS, who personifies Jesus in us personally, when we support His words in prayer)

From the beginning, God has been working by His Holy Spirit through human instrumentalities. In the days of the apostles He worked mightily for His church through the Holy Spirit. The same power that sustained the patriarchs, that gave Caleb and Joshua faith and courage, and that made the work of the apostolic
church effective has upheld God's faithful children in every succeeding age. Through the Holy Spirit during the Dark Ages the Waldensian Christians helped prepare the way for the Reformation. The same power made successful the efforts of noble men and women who pioneered the way for modern missions and for the translation of the Bible into the languages of all nations.

( we are agencies of GOD, just as the HS is our agency of GOD)

And today the heralds of the cross are going from land to land, preparing the way for the second advent of Christ. God's law is being exalted. The Spirit is moving on men's hearts, and those who respond become witnesses for God's truth. Consecrated men and women communicate the light that has made plain the way of salvation through Christ. And as they continue to let their light shine, they receive still more of the Spirit's power. Thus the earth is to be lightened with the glory of God.

( we are to be candles of Jesus, to let His light shine through us daily)

On the other hand, some are idly waiting for some spiritual refreshing by which their ability to enlighten others will be greatly increased. They allow their light to burn dim, while they look to a time when, without any effort on their part, they will be transformed and fitted for service.

( we are to make effort to have God's love flow through us daily)

Notice the way the HS is used in this passage. EGW quotes the NT of John 14 directly without fixing any translation errors, suggesting the HS is a He, whatever that means?

In fact EGW never talks about translation errors or fuzzy text. Otherwise this would discourage child like readers.

Second she says the nature of the HS is a mystery, which is what you're asking. And to be honest I don't know either. Natural mediums are made of matter, even the light passing through the medium, made of photons is also considered matter, is it not? Yet light cannot be matter because matter cannot travel at the speed of light. So even discussing light is a mystery.

You see light photons as waves all the time, whereas I see light photons as sometimes particles, and sometimes as a wave?

Even Einstein said he didn't understand the nature of light... light is too deep as well.

SO some things Dave are best left alone, too hard to fathom.

As for the personality of love the HS expresses is a different matter.... the EGW writings do suggest the HS is like the angel of mercy with her wings. Why she speaks of the HS as an angel like Being I don't know.


The HS convicts of sin.

This is a big statement. Gnostics writings do not make these kinds of statements? You have mankind flawed with RA in a body of RA from creation, so "sin" is not a big deal to your theory of faith.

In our theory of faith, we don't have this idea. The HS convicts of sin. Human sin wrought RA into our body, and without help from GOD our sinful propensities would hold us captive for ever. The Hebrew has a word for genetic potential "aven". And this idea is the great problem mankind inherits.

This is why the HS convicts of sin. Each propensity has to be removed slowly and carefully, to undo the generations of damage it does, as epigenetics is inherited.

Notice the passage also talks of man functioning like an agency for GOD to others. We become candles of light, and thus His light via us flows as a witness to others.

This is a simple way to explain your medium and agency thing. Look how GOD uses humans as mediums of his grace, love and power.

In a nutshell, the Shadday is divine, but uses agencies of matter as a medium affect, so the flow of God's love and power, flow into others. Hope this make sense.

spiritualsprings.org/ss-760.htm

I do have some insights into the medium properties of the HS, if you want further reading ...

(1) Mediums allow observations to be made

(2) Mediums change perception.

spiritualsprings.org/ss-1033.htm 

Also here:

SHalom

[Dave]

From Ellen White: " The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery.
( explaining agency functions is too deep)
YES! For the SDA because you have to admit in the spirit

( we must claim the prayer promises of Jesus daily, so we are not found missing is any areas of out life - indeed we support Jesus and thus perfectly support the royal torah of Elohiym)
To say that we need to be saved every day as a religious worship is pagan
It teaches doubt that we are saved
How can man be saved today and not saved tomorrow –
you teach doubt – do not trust in the grace of God

On the other hand, some are idly waiting for some spiritual refreshing by which their ability to enlighten others will be greatly increased. They allow their light to burn dim, while they look to a time when, without any effort on their part, they will be transformed and fitted for service.

What is = or what can possibly be a spiritual refreshing = when man has no spirit
God cannot make a spirit man – or even a spirit angels – God cannot make spirit
If I say God makes spirit – you say it means God makes other divinity – other Gods

You see light photons as waves all the time, whereas I see light photons as sometimes particles, and sometimes as a wave?
SO some things Dave are best left alone, too hard to fathom.
So something are too hard to fathom when our understanding of science is limited to the 8th grade

Like your double slit experiment that you simply do not understand and misrepresent


If light is a particle – it would pass straight through the double slit unaffected
Bullets aimed at the target – always hit the target

But this is not what happens
Light travels as a wave - and when those waves pass through the double slit – they are affected as waves



It is the resulting wave effects that make the scattered pattern of photon strikes upon the film

Conclusion – light travels as a wave
In fact – the strange thing about light – is it is the only wave that travels without any medium
You can make a wave in the water or the air – but take away the water and air – the wave ceases to exist

Light = the only wave that continues through a vaccum

Why do we call light a photon?
Because when light strikes another object – we can measure the momentum transferred to the object
Light – powering as light sail through the vacuum of space

The momentum of each photon is inversely proportional to the mass of that photon (that is the math)
This mass is represented by Max Plank as Frequency/wavelength = 1 quantum unit (v=h/l)
Now we have a measurable particle – but only as it interacts with another particle

The HS convicts of sin.
This is a big statement. Gnostics writings do not make these kinds of statements? You have mankind flawed with RA in a body of RA from creation, so "sin" is not a big deal to your theory of faith.

Let’s see – sin causes our mortal death – is that a big deal
Adam and Eve were created immortal (without mortal death) – they became mortal by their choice
We each become mortal by our choices – we are all sinners – and none of us will live forever
For this very reason – we NEED JESUS CHRIST
Without Jesus Christ we are all going to judged only by our deeds – and those deeds are filled with yester ra
Only by the gift of the Divine Pardon through Christ can man escape this
For this very reason – we NEED CHRIST

In our theory of faith, we don't have this idea. The HS convicts of sin. Human sin wrought RA into our body, and without help from GOD our sinful propensities would hold us captive for ever. The Hebrew has a word for genetic potential "aven". And this idea is the great problem mankind inherits.
This is the great problem mankind inherits. – INHERITS – ANIMAL –instincts of yester ra

This is why the HS convicts of sin. Each propensity has to be removed slowly and carefully, to undo the generations of damage it does, as epigenetics is inherited.
YES! The HS convicts us continually – through our spiritual link
Inside – we feel guilty – convicted – in error – truly sorry
And to this revelation each time we drop to our knees we praise God for His enlightenment

Notice the passage also talks of man functioning like an agency for GOD to others. We become candles of light, and thus His light via us flows as a witness to others.
It is our mission on earth to remember and witness God’s Glory to this world
We are small candles – correct – God is the giant furnace of judgment at the center of the universe
Far from God – we think we are bright and important – near the furnace we realize we are nothing and become lost and mingled in the larger fire

This is a simple way to explain your medium and agency thing. Look how GOD uses humans as mediums of his grace, love and power.
So a medium is nothing more than a missionary – a man describing his intellectual understanding of scripture – is this witnessing or just being righteous and pompous

[Dave]

My Friend – I wish to say something to you – and I do not mean to offend

Our mission in this world is to remember and witness for the Lord
This is “works” – it has nothing to do with attending church on a Wednesday night, having communion from a man in religious authority.
This is “works” – to fellowship – to witness

In my mind – I imagine you conversation for the lord – with your neighbor
Did you deny his experience? Did you deny that angelic beings came to earth and fathered human demi-gods. Did you deny the being from the outside have been bothering man since the beginning of Genesis.

So – you asked him to doubt his own reality
Everything he believes as true

And then tried to substitute – Ellen White for scripture and told him of vegetarian sharks

Just how effective is the SDA approach at witness to the world today?

So if he did ask - how does one become Born Again of Spirit
I cannot imagine what you would have said - you deny that it is even possible - man has no spirit
Did you suggest this was of no bearing - no relevance - just be religious everyday and you will be saved every day

[Deleted]

Dave respond: "Let’s see – sin causes our mortal death – is that a big deal
Adam and Eve were created immortal (without mortal death) – they became mortal by their choice
We each become mortal by our choices – we are all sinners – and none of us will live forever.

Nicely put, where is this idea quoted in your Gnostic writings?

Adam and Eve also were created in a flawed world with ra, and with propensities of ra in their human bodies of matter, were they not? This alone tells me that GOD did not create a "Very functional" world for mankind. If something is created immortal ( it has to have by definition, no flaws, no propensities of RA, and no flaws in the created creature). What you have written is perfectly what I believe in, not what your Gnostic writings believe in.

Houston: "We have a problem...

So show me where this idea quoted in your Gnostic writings?

You cannot have mankind bringing in mortal death (by definition RA), via their sinning, if they were already created with RA in their bodies of matter. This is what your theory states.


Dave postulates: "God cannot make a spirit man – or even a spirit angels – God cannot make spirit
If I say God makes spirit – you say it means God makes other divinity – other Gods

Rob asks: " Well justify the questions you pose. Why can't you defend the questions you write?

Yes I am saying an uncaused cause cannot make divinity from divinity, it has to remain impossible, otherwise the Great Uncaused Cause is not uncaused. You didn't respond to this idea, and it is a fundamental argument on the existence of GOD.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BhPf90ruoY  

My favourite U tube video on this theme, put together by Muslims, 1 hour 55 minutes. They present and stitch together dozens of video evidence.

Listen to the arguments of the Great Uncaused Cause, and make me day by replying to how creating divinity is even possible, it cannot be possible.


Than you throw in Young's Experiment. Light only as a wave answers Young's experiment, yes. But only after it passes through a narrow slit. You assume light travels as a wave before it gets to the slit.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html  

Shows simple contrasts and some diagrams suggest light travels as packages of particles carrying wave like quantum. How does this suggest light travels as a wave? It's really showing both properties?

Has anybody conducted Young's experiment in a vacuum?


education.jlab.org/frost/light_is_a_particle.html

Using red and green laser on a pink object. Red light does not make orange colour.
Green light does.

Cannot be explained using wave idea, but only as a particle idea.

This is a simple video, and takes 90 seconds to show you a simple home experiment, Dave.
Enjoy.

Shalom

[Dave]

Dave respond: "Let’s see – sin causes our mortal death – is that a big deal
Adam and Eve were created immortal (without mortal death) – they became mortal by their choice
We each become mortal by our choices – we are all sinners – and none of us will live forever.

Nicely put, where is this idea quoted in your Gnostic writings?

Adam and Eve also were created in a flawed world with ra, and with propensities of ra in their human bodies of matter, were they not? This alone tells me that GOD did not create a "Very functional" world for mankind. If something is created immortal ( it has to have by definition, no flaws, no propensities of RA, and no flaws in the created creature). What you have written is perfectly what I believe in, not what your Gnostic writings believe in.

Houston: "We have a problem...

YES! We do – and I have been pointing it out to you since the beginning
I say an apple is red
You turn around and quote me as saying the apple is orange
Then you go on and on ripping the orange idea apart

Question – when have I denied the ahl
Question – when have I denied the agl
Question - when have I denied the Kabbalah
ANSWER - NEVER!
Perhaps you are so busy defending your satan god that you failed to ever hear what I say

Let me see if I get your point
If I read Jewish Kabbalah – then I am a heretic and anti-canon
If I read the Nag Hammadi I am a heretic and anti-canon
This is a very Catholic centered view
You have the authority to misrepresent me – and deny that I support the canon

If I call myself a Gnostic – therefore you judge that I hate God and deny scripture
Spoken like a true disciple of your evil god satan

So show me where this idea quoted in your Gnostic writings?
How about John 3:16!

Now you will say -
I deny Ezk 28:15 is proof that SDA satan has free will
I deny that Ezk 28:15 is proof that satan hates God
I deny that Ezk 28:15 is proof that god satan altered all of God's plan of tov only world
I deny that Ezk 28:15 is proof that satan wants man to be servents in the satan kingdom
I deny that a satanic kingdom filled with men will have any inpact on scriptuer of the fate of Rev 20:10
I deny that God is unable to control his creation
and I deny - that if something exist some other creator made it

I deny that we can fall from grace
I deny that man has to be actively saved every day

I say - man was created as spirit in heaven with God
You say man is only an animal

I say a human being = man's spirit trapped within a biological machine called man's body
You insist there is no such thing as spirit - it is only our biological mind and memories

I say - intelect has no relationship to spirit
You think - we will be judged by the discisions our mind makes
Christians pray - God - to day at work in ER as I was trying my best to do my part to save a young girls life - in the process - I saw her naked - and for a moment considered just how young and attractive this girls is

I have stood behind the podium on Sun day - watching Susan flash herself from the first row
I was suppost to be filling in for the Pastor that day - why did I need to know Susan wears no panties to church

are these the memories we are judge by?
the fact that I am animal - is a condemnation - without exception

I say - we are judged on - how we completed our mission
Donald trump has manys sins - GREED!
Donald Trump is not Mother Tereasa - was she perfect
Donald Trump is the first president - the leader of the whole world - to speak of God from the White House

The Jews are judged - mitzvah vrs chata
Speaking of the Christian Lord - from the White House for the whole world to see and hear
is - completeing his mission by God - remember - and witness - to the world (Jer 1:5)
Trump is a sinner - used as an intrument of God

I say - Christianity is all about spiritualism - praying in the spirit - being Born Again of Spirit
and our struggel is with the world (ourselves - self - the desire for self-preservation) and against spiritual forces that temp and torment

You say - all this spirit talk is nonsense - fake
just keep it simple as in satan is an evil god that hates and opposes God
just keep it simple - God made everything tov - then against God's Will your satan god corrupted all God's Plans
just keep it simple - God is not all-powerful, God is not absolute, and God is not even in control
just keep it simple - satan is a god of evil - and evil is evidently more powerful than God's Will
The Great Controversy is not about two opposing gods
The Great Controversy is about God being weak and empowers another god to which you credit most everything

AND - the idea of a vegaterian shark is not only humorous - but knee slapping ridiculas
God cannot creat anything invisible - everything must be of visile matter
But God created vegaterian sharks

Do not pretend that I offer the Nag Hammadi as a replacement for the agl or the ahl
The Nag Hammadi – only completes – fills in – some unanswered questions
Like – why are we here – why did God make us – why is there evil everywhere – why doesn’t my sub-conscious leave me alone and let me sin without feeling guilty
Like – who is the beast – who is the devil – who is the false prophet and who is satan
Like – what is the difference between belief and Gnosis
Like – how can man fall from grace – or how even angels fall from grace

You cannot have mankind bringing in mortal death (by definition RA), via their sinning, if they were already created with RA in their bodies of matter. This is what your theory states.

Robert – how can Eve choose between two different actions – if only one action is available
You deny this fact
You say Eve had only one choice available to her – yester tov
But then - You say AFTER Eve choose ra – then ra was available to choose

I say Eve was made of dust – dust comes with yester ra
I say Eve was also made of spirit – which comes with yester tov
I say Eve had two choices to choose between

If there is no choice – how can you make the wrong choice

Dave postulates: "God cannot make a spirit man – or even a spirit angels – God cannot make spirit
If I say God makes spirit – you say it means God makes other divinity – other Gods
Rob asks: " Well justify the questions you pose. Why can't you defend the questions you write?

OK – I will start again
My God is a creator – the One True Creator
My God can say – let there be a dog – and POOF! There is a dog
MY God can say – let there be – zillions of planets - in zillions of solar systems – in zillions of galaxies - In 7 complete universes / dimensions / heavens
My God can say let there be an angel – and an angel appears – (spirit form – not 3D biology)
My God can say let there be man – and man appears – as a spirit form in heaven – not 3D biology

This is the Perfect Race of man that we all long to return to

Yes I am saying an uncaused cause cannot make divinity from divinity, it has to remain impossible,
I say the apple is red – and now you are arguing all about an orange
YET you have your God E1 make God E2 and God E3 so that from the three of them love is possible
A pantheon of 3 gods

I have One True Creator that expresses Himself as female spirt and male form
I have one Creator that is more than able to create angelic spirits, evil spirits, and man as spirit

Shows simple contrasts and some diagrams suggest light travels as packages of particles carrying wave like quantum. How does this suggest light travels as a wave? It's really showing both properties?

For the last time – and I will never say it again
Light travels as a wave – but interacts as “one quantum unit of energy” = a photon = described as a particle because it seems to have mass – described as its frequency divided by it wave length

education.jlab.org/frost/light_is_a_particle.html
Using red and green laser on a pink object. Red light does not make orange colour.
Green light does.
Cannot be explained using wave idea, but only as a particle idea.
This is a simple video, and takes 90 seconds to show you a simple home experiment, Dave.

Very simply explained - OK – watched it all

00:30 – 00:38
1- “this (experiment” shows us that light BEHAVES like a particle” – when it interacts with another particle
2- the particle is called a photon and is measurable by it’s “WAVELENGTH”
3- the shorter the wave length – the greater the energy
4- red lasers are of longer wavelength – and lower energy
5- green lasers are of shorter wavelength – and higher energy
6- then they say – green light will activate the dye – causing the dye to fluoresce green
7 – your video concludes – light is a particle with a wavelength – that is the mystery

What does activating the dye mean?
Of course you know this means that when a photon interacts with the atoms of the dye
1- the energy of the photon is translated to an electron
2- the electron with this new increase of energy – jumps into a higher orbit
3- however – the atomic structure demand that the electron returns to it original orbit
4— when the electron jumps back into it original orbit the “new” energy is released
This imparted “new energy from the photon” is released – as a photon – fluorescing proportionally to the specific atom – this phenomena is called ‘ionization’

This science is used to identify different unknown substances
We know what it is made of by its atomic spectrum

your video concludes – light is a particle with a wavelength – that is the mystery
Truth – light travels as a non-thing wave without any medium required
In fact – light is the only wave that travels without a medium – a vaccum
When light interacts with another particle – it translates ‘momentum’ as a particle
The momentum that the particle imparts is measurable as = one quantum unit of energy = v=h/l

Question – why is shorter wavelength = higher energy
Answer – because it is easy to think of it as – more particles per minute - = higher frequency of ‘momentum’ strikes

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I say Eve was made of dust – dust comes with yester ra
I say Eve was also made of spirit – which comes with yester tov
I say Eve had two choices to choose between

If there is no choice – how can you make the wrong choice

Rob: "If God creates free will minds to love, that is all humans need.

Humans are in relationship to GOD. That is already a choice. Nothing else required.

Love is relational. That is already a choice. No other entity is required.
Why is this so impossible for you to grasp?

So I can choose to love GOD or not love GOD, that is what sin means.

God nothing to do with your details of dust, spirit and differences of origin. You are bogged down in silly details.
Eve had a choice already. She could choose to love GOD or disobey GOD.

Got nothing to do with a body made of matter let alone filled with ra.

D: "My God can say let there be an angel – and an angel appears – (spirit form – not 3D biology)
My God can say let there be man – and man appears – as a spirit form in heaven – not 3D biology

R detail please what "spirit form" means?

D: "I have One True Creator that expresses Himself as female spirit and male form
I have one Creator that is more than able to create angelic spirits, evil spirits, and man as spirit

R correct if I am wrong, but your saying divinity can create other divinity entities, such as "spirit forms", is this correct?

You have just said the Uncaused Cause can created other uncaused causes? You need to revise your word meanings, I do not find any humans able to speak and the creation stands forth like God can. Something is missing from man's spirit, like lots of awesome power. So your spirit form is weak, meaningless term, unless you define it clearly. You have not defined the term clearly yet.

D: "your video concludes – light is a particle with a wavelength – that is the mystery
Truth – light travels as a non-thing wave without any medium required
In fact – light is the only wave that travels without a medium – a vacuum
When light interacts with another particle – it translates ‘momentum’ as a particle
The momentum that the particle imparts is measurable as = one quantum unit of energy = v=h/l

R: your statements agree with the video "light is a particle with a wavelength – that is the mystery"

You also say "light is the only wave that travels without a medium – a vacuum

First there is no vacuum in space, Have you never heard of the ether, another term for Father's Zero point energy field?
I would say light travels as both wave and particle and travels in a medium, the Father's zero point energy field, very dense stuff as I am lead to believe.

I suppose it is fun to ponder mysteries. we do not know hardly anything about anything.

Shalom

[Dave]

I say Eve had two choices to choose between
If there is no choice – how can you make the wrong choice

Rob: "If God creates free will minds to love, that is all humans need.
Humans are in relationship to GOD. That is already a choice. Nothing else required.
So I can choose to love GOD or not love GOD, that is what sin means.
So choosing to sin is not a choice of yester ra - and in you are an animal and greedy
So choosing to sin - actually means - not choosing tov
but of tov is the only option - how can you choose a different option
how is not choosing tov - not a ra

Eve had a choice already. She could choose to love GOD or disobey GOD.
You are cortrect - both options were available to her - yester tov and ra
Please explain how the choice to disobey God is not choosing ra

D: "I have One True Creator that expresses Himself as female spirit and male form
I have one Creator that is more than able to create angelic spirits, evil spirits, and man as spirit
R correct if I am wrong, but your saying divinity can create other divinity entities, such as "spirit forms", is this correct?

OK - teach me why spirit - only mean divinity
Oh - there is only one ruwach of matter and it belong only to God

You also say "light is the only wave that travels without a medium – a vacuum
First there is no vacuum in space,
Correct - the Spirit of God - the either - the matrix - the HS - is ubiquitous / omnipresent

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Rob: "If God creates free will minds to love, that is all humans need.
R: "Humans are in relationship to GOD. That is already a choice. Nothing else required.

R: "So I can choose to love GOD or not love GOD, that is what sin means.

D: "So choosing to sin is not a choice of yester ra - and in you are an animal and greedy
R: Choosing to sin, is by definition an act of yester ra.

 Scripture says you do not have yester ra in you in a moral sense, until you choose to sin.

You can be born with propensities, epi-genetics etc, even corruption are examples of RA, but these are not examples of moral RA you are personally guilty of.

Scripture says you are judged by the royal law, and hence moral RA comes from the transgression of the royal torah. Nobody is automatically born sinning. Even though we have RA in us from previous parents who sinned. Sin or moral RA only comes when we do sinning.

You say a GOD created a flaw world with matter with RA already in it. I don't see this at all.

Our world was created perfect, without RA of any kind? Though I agree some angels had sinned before Creation, their moral RA did not impact mankind's world, however, the natural RA of darkness, did influence our world.

You have mankind already with self, greed and ra in them, eg Adam and Eve. I do not see this idea.
Adam and Eve were perfect, only with yester tov.

 Disobedience or sin, brings yester ra. It came running into their body after they chose to sin.


R: "Eve had a choice already. She could choose to love GOD or disobey GOD.
D: "You are cortrect - both options were available to her - yester tov and ra
Please explain how the choice to disobey God is not choosing ra
R: choosing the choice to disobey is a choosing ra,  by definition, and a flood of missing God's power came from this single sin.

D: "OK - teach me why spirit - only mean divinity
Oh - there is only one ruwach of matter and it belong only to God

R: God showed me how wrong your idea of "spirit form" is. God asked me this:

(1) "Where does the spirit form get its power of living from? From itself or from GOD?

(2) "Why can't people with spirits simply command created things into existence like GOD can? Why don't they have the awesome power, such a "spirit form" should have?

Consider this, mankind is made of matter, but the matter has no movement, no mind to do, no ability to think, no energy to do.

The word nepesh has two forms, verb and noun, and both form MUST have the same basic meaning. This is an idea few scholars agree with me.

He went to love her with his love. The two forms of love here must have the same basic meaning.
He went to produce produce. Again these two forms must have the same basic meaning.

So nepesh literally means to "energize" for the verb, and "energy" for the noun.

Why Hebrew has two forms is to shows differences in action, ie incomplete action and complete action.

So the matter was incomplete in terms of quantum mechanics. Sure the atoms are empowered by GOD, the DNA was there with code, the muscles lying with quantum, but it was all incomplete.

Than GOD breathed into Adam, the "HS of living" and man is "living energy".

So what happens that matter can't do? It's hard to find a good English word to describe the difference between a rock and a living creature? Why is a squashed mozzie no longer alive? What went? A living creature has a complete array of energy from GOD to be like God. You will notice all animals have this "breath of living".
I find that GOD is the only Being able to think, and do, at a supreme level, matter alone cannot achieve this.

If GOD removed his presence, everything would vanish, including time, space and matter.

Including so called "spirit forms" too,  The only thing left would be GOD.

So I see your idea that when GOD comes to matter and imparts a part of GOD so that the matter of man can be become living energy, this living energy has to be a part of GOD. And this quantum spark administrated by the HS has to be a flow of power from the Father. For only the Father has love. Only the Father has mind.
Man can only love because love flows in him. Man has mind only because GOD's mind flows in him.

You call this priviledged partnership gift "our spirit". I have no problem with this idea, as long as you see this term as a priviledged partnership gift of the Father's flow of power, empowering us.

You cannot control the Father's gift when you die a mortal death. This gift was given to man in matter, so man could love and think and do like GOD does. This does not make man a robot, for this gift also comes with free will as well, so we are free to abuse of correctly use this power from the Father.

I hope this helps you somewhat. Can this "spirit" talk to GOD when we die? I have never thought of this, nor does Scripture speak of such things. Scripture says do not add ideas not written there, or take ideas away that are already written there.

D: "OK - teach me why spirit - only mean divinity

R Because only GOD has mind, love and power. Matter is nothing without GOD.
Only GOD is divine and therefore immortal.

D: "Oh - there is only one ruwach of matter and it belong only to God
R: The HS is not of matter. The energy of wind, travels in matter (air) yes, but the energy is NOT of matter. The energy is divine, beyond matter, time and space.
Energy like GOD cannot be created or destroyed, it is eternal, immortal.

R: "You also say "light is the only wave that travels without a medium – a vacuum
First there is no vacuum in space,

D: "Correct - the Spirit of God - the either - the matrix - the HS - is ubiquitous / omnipresent
R: We finally agree on something;
Shalom

[Dave]

R: "So I can choose to love GOD or not love GOD, that is what sin means.
D: "So choosing to sin is not a choice of yester ra - and in you are an animal and greedy
R: Choosing to sin, is by definition an act of yester ra.

But if man is a robot – with only yester tov – then yester ra IS NOT AVAILIBLE to choose

You can be born with propensities,
YES! – one for yester tov and one for yester ra

You say a GOD created a flaw world with matter with RA already in it. I don't see this at all.
I know – your serpent is not in the garden until AFTER Eve chose yester ra which she did not have

Our world was created perfect, without RA of any kind? Though I agree some angels had sinned before Creation, their moral RA did not impact mankind's world, however, the natural RA of darkness, did influence our world.

Agree – our world was perfect in God’s eyes
No sin BEFORE creation – I know you misspoke
You agree some angels committed ra before man – but that did not change anything –
If it did not change anything – how could it influence our world
You agree some angels committed ra before man – and to where were they ejected - earth


You have mankind already with self, greed and ra in them, eg Adam and Eve. I do not see this idea.
Adam and Eve were perfect, only with yester tov.
If they were perfect – they would have never chose to disobey
If all they had was yester tov – then that is all they could choose -
If all they had was yester tov – they would have been yester tov robots – just like praising angels

Disobedience or sin, brings yester ra. It came running into their body after they chose to sin.
Sin came running into their bodies AFTER they sinned
Do you not see how ridicules your statements are


R: God showed me how wrong your idea of "spirit form" is. God asked me this:
(1) "Where does the spirit form get its power of living from? From itself or from GOD?
DUH-from the mother – the HS that sustains all things – visible and invisible – the sustainer

(2) "Why can't people with spirits simply command created things into existence like GOD can? Why don't they have the awesome power, such a "spirit form" should have?
Why can’t a cow create = why can’t an ant create – because they are not the One True God – the only Creator


The word nepesh has two forms, verb and noun, and both form MUST have the same basic meaning. This is an idea few scholars agree with me.
I agree with you – spirit and soul
Spirit = free from the body
Soul – trapped within the body

It means the same in or out of a body
You are the first person on the planet that I have ever encountered that doubts this
You play wordism – so you do not have to understand

If ruwach can never mean nepesh then Christ can never mean Son of God
If nepesh can never mean ruwach than the Son of Man and the Son of God MUST be two people
Two names = two people

He went to love her with his love. The two forms of love here must have the same basic meaning.
He went to produce produce. Again these two forms must have the same basic meaning.
Spirit – soul – same basic meaning – but you deny this
They are two different words – so they must be different things
Jesus of Nazareth – cannot be Jesus Christ
They are two different names – so they must be different things

So nepesh literally means to "energize" for the verb, and "energy" for the noun.
So nepesh literally means spirit for the verb (in motion) and soul for the noun (at rest)

Why Hebrew has two forms is to shows differences in action, ie incomplete action and complete action.

Than GOD breathed into Adam, the "HS of living" and man is "living energy".
God did not break of a piece of the HS and breath it into man as his living energy
We are not pieces of the HS – we are our own spirit that God mated into our animal bodies

So I see your idea that when GOD comes to matter and imparts a part of GOD so that the matter of man can be become living energy, this living energy has to be a part of GOD. And this quantum spark administrated by the HS has to be a flow of power from the Father. For only the Father has love. Only the Father has mind.

NOT MY IDEA!
this living energy has to be a part of GOD. And this quantum spark administrated by the HS
So – each of us – is a small part of God broken off and put into an body
So when you sin – God sins –
Why does your HS and now God sin so much?

You call this priviledged partnership gift "our spirit". I have no problem with this idea, as long as you see this term as a priviledged partnership gift of the Father's flow of power, empowering us.

We are HS robots – we do not exist – we are all just broken of bits of God?

You cannot control the Father's gift when you die a mortal death. This gift was given to man in matter, so man could love and think and do like GOD does. This does not make man a robot, for this gift also comes with free will as well, so we are free to abuse of correctly use this power from the Father.

But you claim that the “gift given” is just broken off bits of God – we are all God
This does not make man a robot, for this gift also comes with free will as well, so we are free to abuse

Robert – WHO IS THE WE in your sentence
You go on and on there is no we – impossible – we are not independent – we are administered by the HS – we are HS puppets
Robert – WHO IS THE WE in your sentence
WE – have to be independent from the HS or the HS is abusing itself

D: "OK - teach me why spirit - only mean divinity
R Because only GOD has mind, love and power.
So when a dog barks – it is God howling at the moon
And when a cow decides to walk across the road – it is God making that decision

D: "Correct - the Spirit of God - the either - the matrix - the HS - is ubiquitous / omnipresent
R: We finally agree on something;
WHAT! – Finally – I have always said this – the HS – the Spirit of God is the matrix – the sustainer – I have never said otherwise – the omnipresent 2nd D