Sorry Dave, maybe my comments are too early
So I will review carefully:
Yes! – don’t react – but considerAnd always remember the CRUDENESS of the textAnd the lack of comparison against other ancient copies – because of the Rome Edit
Any document that spoke of the “authorities” was censored
Regardless of author – Paul’s writings are on the Roman Index of this you are not allowed to read
It is one thing to say – The Book of Thomas may not be totally inspired and therefore not canon
It is a different “attitude” to say the Book of Thomas = 100% worthless heresy
He said “I am God, and there is no God but me!”
This "Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler" is told here that He rules.
He is not ordained – he only thinks he is alone = 100% self
"Since he didn’t know where his own Power originated".
Yes, He assumes to rule with his own power....
This is the First Archon – the BEAST
He assumes to rule – thinks he rules – his own domain
But his domain is nothing in the multiverse of God’s creationYES! Arrogantly – he thinks he is first – and alone – and therefore “misses” the True CreatorHere is scripture that I struggle with – because I do not translate it the same as canon
Job 38:7 (YLV) when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 (KJV) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
H7321 – רוּעַ - to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.
Canon says – shouted for joy
I translate this as – sounded alarm
Job 38:7 (LXX) ὅτε ἐγενήθησαν ἄστρα, ᾔνεσάν με φωνῇ μεγάλῃ πάντες ἄγγελοί μου.
G5456 - phōnē -Probably akin to G5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate, bestial or artificial); by implication an address (for any purpose), saying or language: - noise, sound, voice.
G3173 – megas - Including the prolonged forms, femine μεγάλη megalē, plural μέγάλοι megaloi, etc.; compare also G3176, G3187], big (literally or figuratively, in a very wide application): - (+ fear) exceedingly, great (-est), high, large, loud, mighty, + (be) sore (afraid), strong, X to years.
The Greeks say – the angels of HIM made a loud beast like grunt
In any case – there are two groups mentioned
I say one praised the Lord for their creation – the other group responded differently (less than praise)
This is the First Archon – the BEAST
He assumes to rule – thinks he rules – his own domain
But his domain is nothing in the multiverse of God’s creation
Yes – the First Archon – and all that he fathered for himself – were cast from heaven to earth of Gen 1:1
Earth of Gen 1:1 = all physical creation = all visible creation – Planet Earth of Gen 1:9 is one small corner of itAn atheist – or a Roman Christian this = this is all there is
However – the center of the universe has moved from Rome – from earth – even from our own Galaxy
Reality is so much larger than man can comprehend – 10 dimensions worth of reality
Man is trapped – in only one dimension / one universe of 3D physicality
The archon’s domain is only 1/10th of the whole
And possible only one planet within that 1/10th – or one solar system – or one galaxy
In any form – it is a very small corner of God’s KingdomOur planet – falls within their domain
So Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler, the first archon, the BEAST.
He has many names – Slakla –s one I use sometimes (just from a different text)The Jews say – the archon are from the left hand
The Jews do not use the word archon – but YES! Lillith – the shedim – the mysteries of God are from the left hand – a Jewish expressionTherefore the ancient Jewish expression – “The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing”
This is a real Jewish expression – yes – my father invoked it constantlyRob asks" How can GOD allow the HS to create this imperfect thing, without GOD's knowing, God's permission? without God's consort?
Your answer seems to be: "But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.E = c
2m
Both the c
2 and the m are less than the E – fractions of the E – it takes both m and c
2 to make one E
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, except the Father alone.
The Father knows more than the SonHow can this be if Christ = God
Answer – Christ is not God the Creator – but only the 3D image of Him
Christ was God souljourning in an animal body just like us – this animal body comes with limits
How did this affect Jesus Christ – unknown other than – the Father knows somethings Jesus Christ did not
Rob asks" How can GOD allow the HS to create this imperfect thing, without GOD's knowing, God's permission? without God's consort?There are somethings that the HS may not know that the Father does
God = HS – yet HS is not God in totality – HS is a fraction of God – the Spirit of GodGnostic literature suggest – the HS thought she did it alone – but it was God’s Will the whole timeJer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
Remember this Jewish foundational verse – this is who we are – prophets for the Lord in this physical realm
Even your Ellen White says – this is the battleground where the controversy plays out – for all creation to witnessThe heavenly Father wanted, allowed divinity to create some imperfect, so bring in chaos intentionally.
But why? Does the Gnostic writings answer why was RA intentionally created in the first place?OK – First -
The heavenly Father wanted, allowed divinity to create some imperfect,
Scripture says God did it on purpose – by Him for Him – Yes agreeSecond -
so bring in chaos intentionally. –
what else would ra bring?But why? Does the Gnostic writings answer why was RA intentionally created in the first place?Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi LibraryHe, then,
the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worlds
We are here to witness God’s Glory to all creation – other men – the archon – the angels – and whoever else is watchingIn this Contest – does the archon rule us –
no – they only influence usAuthoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi LibraryOur soul indeed is ill because she dwells in a house of poverty, while matter strikes blows at her eyes, wishing to make her blind. For this reason she pursues the word and applies it to her eyes as a medicine <opening> them, casting away [...] thought of a [...] blindness in [...] afterwards, when that one is again in ignorance, he is completely darkened and is material. Thus the soul [...] a word every hour, to apply it to her eyes as a medicine in order that she may see, and her light may conceal the hostile forces that fight with her, and she may make them blind with her light, and enclose them in her presence, and make them fall down in sleeplessness, and she may act boldly with her strength and with her scepter.
Our soul battling with the archon Just as mandated by God in Gen 3:15
Just as is written in Eph 6:12 – powers, principalities, and ruler in spiritual places
WHY – in my ministry – I always come back to the story if the
Prodigal SonGod lets us go – with risk – and some never return
God lets us go – and happy when we return
This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. And he joined with his arrogance which is in him and begot authorities for himself.
First –
the power comes from the HS – who is the womb of all – the sustainer of all
And he removed himself from her and moved away from the placesThe Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi LibraryTheir chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, "god of the blind."
His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power – that is, the blasphemy he had spoken – he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power - after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.
The Apocryphon of John"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born.The archon were hidden away in Choshek
Rev 12:7 conflict (war)
The angels that left their first estateJer 4:26 I looked and behold, the fruitful field was a wilderness and all of its cities were in ruins before Adonai, before His fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus says Adonai, “The whole land will be wasteland, yet I will not totally destroy it.
Jer 4:28 Therefore, the earth will mourn and the heavens above grow black. For I have spoken, I have purposed, nor will I relent, nor turn from it.
Gen 1:2 choshek
This "Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler, the first archon, the BEAST" is with creative powers.
So it is God’s Will – This "Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler, the first archon, the BEAST" is with creative powers.
Creation was <m@`od> good <towb>. And yet some "choshek" implies "RA" was in this creation?Yes some choshek was in this creation that God saw as very good
Why – because that ra was created by Him – for Him
It was very good from God’s perspective – not man’sThe reality of the archon answers so many unanswered questionsRob: Why does having archons answer questions?Yes –
it answer so many questions – who was Lillith – what of the shedim spoke of by Solomon – wh are the bane elohiym -= who are the Nephilim – who are the Rephiem – what is all the fiuss about the 13 families that rule the world. Are demon real – are the Jinn real – is man affected from the spirit realm – why Little Jimmy has to die – the origin of the satan side of theology – exposing them as nothing like gods – but a race – a group of arrogant angelic type beings
We also know that 10% of the Nephilim reamain - living on the 7 visible celestrial bodies
aliens - UFOs - ancient astronauts - ancient space gods- annanauki - Egypt - Gen 6
R: The beast is a created creature from GOD to bring in intentionally the fullest sum of chaos or RA.Scripture tells us that God test man
James tell us that God does not do it directly – he has a staff for that – it happens by the left handD: Why didn’t your God of only Love introduce Himself to the 100% - why only the 1%
R: Maybe chaos does not allow love to witness to all humans?
No Robert – your satan cannot place limits on God in any wayMore is expected of us than going to church
We are to be prophet to all the nations of the world
The 99% are left for a purpose
The purpose of – our mission
The purpose of – Ezk 38 and a 2 million man army from the east that looses
The purpose of joining with Iran and Turkey forming the Kingdom of the North
The purpose = the same as all the pagan tribes of Canaan – to be crushed in battel by Israel proving to the entire planet that YHWY is the one true God
Scripture must be fullfilled
D: And why does little Jimmy have to die
R: Maybe chaos causes the little boy to do.YES it does – just as the daughters of Job – they are pawns in someone else testing
Notice my example – don’t you know of similar stories
Good church people – leaving the church – end up hating god or blaming God – for some personal crises
The more pious you become – the harder the contest
D: Why God cause harm to so many people - yet He is the God of Love Only
R Maybe chaos harms them naturally, a part of His will?No Robert – God does it and does it directly many times
And God kills them – to facilitate His will on earthD: You can start with the 7 tribes of Amorite - God commanded a complete genocyde
R: Maybe GOD allows chaos to rule. ie the Father of Chaos, the Beast is a part of God's will.YES! – for a purpose – to facilitate God’s Will on earth – Agree – God’s WillD: You neighbor – is a UFO believer – why are you so unprepared to witness to him
R: I did witness to him, but he switched off listening.No – you talked at him – you were unprepared to witness to him
You do not speak his language or vocabulary
Yet – his entire experience = scripturalWhy is his experience scriptural -
how can there be something outside of theology?
It all must fit within theology - or our theology is incomplete You don't have a GOD of love do you Dave, after all your GOD intentionally created a creature to bring in the fullest sum of chaos.
God is many thing – more than just Love
And love is an emotion – God also gets angry – God also repents – God is fair
Can you define all this in human termsAgain – me and my Prodigal Son –
The Father loved the son enough – to let him go – with riskD: So if - the sinning definition is blurred and confused – who confuses it by placing all the credit / blame on a second creator god
R Isn't "Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler, the first archon, the BEAST" with creative powers" a second creator like god, designed intentionally by GOD to rule man, make his senses dull, cause sex desire, etc etc, and also keep our bodies locked in yester ra? so we are not saved?
Why would GOD create such a system for mankind? Does developing the free will really mean one has to have yester ra and yester tov within us, all tested by creatures of RA? How is this even love?
Several points to clearify1- the BEAST" with creative powers" – it was the HS behind the scenes that was the womb – that sustains all life – the BEAST though he did it through his own self-centered arrogance
2- The archon were not created to rule man – NO – the archon were created to test / stress / (entropy) all creation. Man is a free independent spirit souljourning through their domain
3- The archon due influence man to forget and become trapped within this world
It is their mission
But – for what purpose – to build an evil kingdom for themselves filled with men
This is the prevailing view of Roman Christianity – satan wants his own kingdom to be fill with men
Question – do the archon know their own fate
Answer – YES!
Question – does a kingdom filled with evil men prolong this – help this – stop it from happening
Answer – NO!
Question – why would satan need a kingdom of evil souls
Answer – he doesn’t because he already has his kingdom of 3d Physicality
And satan knows it is all doomed
Question – if your satan knows his own fate – why doesn’t he repent
Answer – he cannot – because scripture would have to be re-written
Answer – he cannot – because he was created for his own purpose
Is this creative system for mankind even a system of love as all? It's not even fair?
Does doing bad things really help us develop our free will to love GOD more?
That's what your Gnostic writings is describing.Fair? – to be fair love has to risk – your wordsThe system = the Contest = the Prodigal Son
God loves us so much – he risk us
Or we love God so much we take the risk
To witness God’s Glory to this world for all creation to see
We are judged and rewarded or punished – on how well we completed our mission
Take Job. He loved GOD, did all the things GOD required. So why did GOD further allow more testing of this love? Can you answer that question?
My answer = Job is the prodigal Son that returns to God by choice
No matter what the world threw at him – Job never cursed GodDoes the Book of Enoch answer why He got to walk right into heaven?The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
2 At that time, he said, when my 165th year was completed, I begat my son Mathusal.
3 After this too I lived two hundred years and completed of all the years of my life three hundred and sixty-five years.
4 On the first day of the first month I was in my house alone and was resting on my couch and slept.
5 And when I was asleep, great distress came up into my heart, and I was weeping with my eyes in sleep, and I could not understand what this distress was, or what would happen to me.
6 And there appeared to me two men, exceeding big, so that I never saw such on earth; their faces were shining like the sun, their eyes too were like a burning light, and from their lips was fire coming forth with clothing and singing of various kinds in appearance purple, their wings were brighter than gold, their hands whiter than snow.
7 They were standing at the head of my couch and began to call me by my name.
8 And I arose from my sleep and saw clearly those two men standing in front of me.
9 And I saluted them and was seized with fear and the appearance of my face was changed from terror, and those men said to me:
10 'Have courage, Enoch, do mot fear; the eternal God sent us to thee, and lo! thou shalt to-day ascend with us into heaven, and thou shalt tell thy sons and all thy household all that they shall do without thee on earth in thy house, and let no one seek thee till the Lord return thee to them
BOOK OF ENOCH
CHAPTER I.
1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed. 2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, ⌈which⌉ the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
XXII: 8 And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory.'
9 And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun's ray, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.
10 And the Lord summoned one of his archangels by name Pravuil, whose knowledge was quicker in wisdom than the other archangels, who wrote all the deeds of the Lord; and the Lord said to Pravuil:
11 'Bring out the books from my store-houses, and a reed of quick-writing, and give it to Enoch, and deliver to him the choice and comforting books out of thy hand.'
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
LXVIII: 3 He wrote all these signs of all creation, which the Lord created, and wrote three hundred and sixty-six books, and handed them over to his sons and remained on earth thirty days, and was again taken up to heaven on the sixth day of the month Tsivan, on the very day and hour when he was born.
Answer – God picked him – he found favor in God’s site – he impressed God in some way
God picked Enoch – for a purpose – a function
To write things down – heavenly things – secret things
For who did he write these thing for –
the generation of the end of daysWhere was Enoch – re-discovered – Dead Sea Scrolls 1947 – alongside the War Scroll
Note – to face God – Enoch had to give up his earthly clothes (garments)
And put on Heavenly garments – which are the glory of God – a Divine Pardon