D Regardless if you accept the creation of man in heaven – God taught us the Torah within the womb
We are all born in full gnosis of the Lord – it is as much part of our ‘instinct’ as any other survival skill
But man – is born into an animal body that comes with yester ra
The dominance of yester ra – causes us to forget what we once knew – entropy of memory
R I like what you wrote, It makes sense.
I don't support this idea because it's not found in Scripture. However I do like what you wrote. It's comforting.
I also do not mind you saying GOD engineers RA. He had to, to allow sin (a moral aspect of RA) to be observed and to exist. My point is while GOD might do RA, He cannot do moral RA, in other words trangress the moral rules, He lives by. This by definition is defined as sin.
But you have GOD creating creatures above moral laws, do moral RA. This is pure oxymoron and contradicts GOD as a Being who also lives under His own eternal unchanging laws.
D No one has to teach us of the Lord – over the centuries countless men have come to the Lord vis the beauty of nature – who taught Abraham to recognized God in everything? Psa 19:1
R nicely said
D this is a full part of being a spirit being
R Why do you call man a "spirit being" ? We been through this before, but you split "ruwach" and "qodosh ruwach" into different meanings. Further to this idea, you split "ruwach" into different ideas as well.
How does Scripture tell us HOW to READ scripture?
Isa 28:10 For precept <tsav> must be upon precept <tsav>, precept <tsav> upon precept <tsav>; line <qav> upon line <qav>, line <qav> upon line <qav>;
There is only two Hebrew words here telling us how to read Scripture.
tsav according to Jeff:
1397) ( TsW) ac: Command co:
Command ab: ?
A) ( TsW) ac: ? co:
Command ab: ?
Nf) ( TsW) —
Command: [freq. 9] |kjv:
precept, commandment| {str:
6673}
Ancient Hebrew "travelling secure"
qav according to Jeff: -
1420) ( QW) ac: Measure co:
Cord ab: ?: A cord used for measuring a
straight line. Related to .
A) ( QW) ac: Measure co:
Cord ab: ?
Nm) ( QW) — Cord:
[freq. 21] |kjv: line, rule| {str:
6957}
Ancient Hebrew : "unknown secure"
So the Scripture says:
"travelling secure" "travelling secure" "travelling secure" "travelling secure" "unknown secure" "unknown secure" "unknown secure" "unknown secure", a little here, a little there.
"unknown secure" functionally was used as a cord to measure things, a profound clue
"travelling secure" functionally has related words that refer to the commands of the voice.
What is interesting about these repetition of these words over and over, we are to place side by side every measure, and every command, upon a theme.
I also get the idea that every measure and every command, has to be in harmony with each other.
I would like your comments on this verse, because you play word games. You do not follow how Scripture says to read Scripture. If we do not agree upon this verse, we cannot discuss anything.
The letters used most in this verse is "F" the "tentpeg", a symbol of the heavenly Father. The "Q" means unknown, a most respectful way to address F, our Father.
How do you measure or read our Heavenly Father's commands? By measuring each word against each other, across all the commands that are on a particular theme. But you don't do this .
For example H7853 means "oppose" in a verb action and "opposer" in a noun action.
If you have a meeting, and an opposer and GOD come to together, the opposer has to be opposing GOD.
If other contexts you have GOD and Baalim coming together on a road, and in this case GOD is opposing Baalim, a human. The Hebrew word H7853 has to be used consistently every time, every command must be the same across the here and there of the torah teachings.
So in the case of Baalim, GOD is an opposer of Baalim, yet is friendly enough to force Baalim to bless Israel, against Baalim's will. Both of these beings would dislike each other, because if one is an opposer (ie GOD) the other is also by defintion an opposer too (ie Baalim), they both oppose each other. This is how a word meaning works. The meaning is consistent regardless of the sentences it is used in.
In the case of a angel meeting with GOD and described as an opposer, this implies both beings oppose each other. Yet both Beings in Job have on the surface respect for each other. What you do Dave is force the command of a Hebrew word to have different meanings for different contexts. This idea is profound in the world of scholarship translators. Jeff Benner is the only Hebrew translator I know of, who opposes this idea of word meanings. Hence why I love Jeff Benner.
Remember when we did a study of kathestemi? The Greek word is the same word as the Hebrew word
Ge 42:6 And Joseph <Yowceph> was the governor <shalliyt>
"shalliyt", and this word means according to Jeff Benner:
bm) ( Sh-LYTh) —
Master: One who has dominion over
another, also a rule or law as a
master. [Hebrew and Aramaic] [freq.
14] |kjv: governor, mighty, power,
ruler, rule, captain, lawful| {str: 7989,
7990}
We already have a English word meaning master, Baal, so I prefer to use "ruler", same idea, just a different English word.
I prefer "ruler" because it carries "verb and noun" ideas in English, while master does not so much.
So when Adam sinned there was a change in the ruler ruling over him, from GOD to the OPPOSER.
D How can archons obey God if they have no free will? Does not obedience require free will?
They were made for a purpose – to serve a function – God made them smart enough and crafty enough to do their functions within God’s limits – this secular free will – choices of intellect
R I see. Nice answer
You say archons obey GOD doing RA, therefore do not sin.
D Obeying God is never a sin – Correct
R OK, so how can GOD create creatures to do moral RA, wiithout breaking laws? If moral RA involves breaking Law, than creating such a creature implies breaking laws, is this not correct? Hence GOD does not create creatures according to His own laws, as we understand those laws?
D Is John 3:16 a ra or a tov
Only Feel Good Christians are confused
R you did not answer my question, since I am confused? do you see love fully developed with TOV love and RA love? is this an idea even? according to you?
There are laws where provision is made to extinguish the right of ongoing living in creatures. This is not wounding them either. It's not killing them. It's simply GOD taking away what GOD is naturally, living.
The law says if any creature does misschief to the compassion centre of the Holy Spirit, so that mischief causes RA in future children, the penalty for this mischief is eternal death for eternal ongoing living.
It's a very severe law, life for life.
This implies everything about GOD is totally functional, nothing RA ever.
Since RA came into GOD's world, some being had to cause this, not GOD directly. This is what this law says.
Once RA comes is via this being causing mischief, GOD does natural RA to overcome the moral RA, but cannot do moral RA Himself.
Is not sin defined as transgression of law?
D YES! – written in the Torah to man for man
Do angels celebrate holidays? Do they fellowship on the Sabbath?
Every day is a Sabbath Holiday for them
Do they have diet restrictions and rules of marriage?
R Oh so other heavenly creatures live under different eternal rules of living?
D Where are your angel laws? Are they written down somewhere? Or are you projectioning man’s laws onto them?
R Do you have any evidence to this idea from Scripture?
I have evidence for my idea, that the laws of GOD apply to all creatures created.
If what you saying is true, angels do not do anythings humans do, because they live by different rules?
Do they walk on earth like humans do?
Do they eat food like humans do?
The sinless angels have wings of the HS carrying them about, once humans had this function too, before we sinned.
Scripture mentions one annointed angel does "chata", and using this word implies breaking rules humans are exposed to as well.
The 10 words were written by the finger of GOD, never penned by human beings.
Such laws describe love, as immutable, unchanging and eternal. James calls them a royal law, with added noun modifier.
D God can and does commit premeditated murder – can you?
R So you would say GOD is both functional and dysfunctional?
D You are going to trick me into calling God dysfunctional
R you just did." God can and does commit premeditated murder "
I do not see GOD wounding any person from a chance of being saved by Him. If GOD has provision to remove His presence from you, after you have made your decision to reject GOD, why do you see this a premeditated murder ? It's not. God never wounds nobody.
God died for us while we were sinners rejecting Him. The war in heaven was also long and long suffering. The sinning angels were banished but their breath of ongoing living remains, despite rejecting GOD. God is willing for them to repent, but they finally refused. So they got kicked onto heaven, unto earth.
D Don’t know what a dysfunctional law is
R entropy, friction, harmful rays of light, like UV gammar rays etc, these are natural RA and run acccording to RA laws.
Maybe earth orbit was perfect circle, 12 by 30 days, 360 days. Now its an elipse, following RA laws.
D Think back to Rabbi Friedman’s sermon of Adam and Eve
What is man function – mission – to be prophets unto all the nations – to revile God’s Glory to the world
R so developing RA love fully exposes TOV love more?
Really?
I have never smoked. Do I have too, to develop my experience of non smoking more? Have I missed something?
I have never killed game with a gun. Do I have too, am I a bore, to have missed so much fun? Is doing RA fun? yes. but is doing RA necessary to fully develop love?
The prodigal son thought so, the other son who remained home thought not.
I have never raped anybody? DO I have to, to experience a vrigin life more?
You say GOD had sex with Mary to get humanity unto Jesus' divinity. God did not do this at all.
Biologically it is impossible for other kinds to mate. Mary gave birth to a human baby without no sexual intercourse at all. If anything biological, Mary was a surrogate for Jesus, the egg was hers, but the rest came from GOD, both personal beings too, Father and Mother functions.
You happily like angels having offspring with humans. Not possible. Sorry. Different creature kinds.
God's example you showed me, is different, it involved two mothers and one father, not natural at all, more supernatural miracle.
Do creatures really need RA in their lives at all to experience the fullest TOV love? No they don't.
I don't get why you need to test love in this way.
God tests us in a RA world if we TOV lvoe Him, yes I get that.
But you have Adam already born with RA love working in him? Which it is, was Adam born with RA love already working? Or only with laws for RA love, should Adam sin?
I choose second option, therefore the only love Adam did for over 30 years before He sinned was TOV love. And no need to test him. The serpent did not test them for a long time, not within an hour of their creation, as Rabbi say?
D Adam’s and Eve’s obedience would have meant nothing to the rest of creation
The rest of creation would have just said – Look God made more obeying robots
R What's wrong with that idea? You have this already with angels in heaven, but you say they have no free will either?
I do not need to kill or rape a human in order to feel more love. Boy what an idea your saying.
Why do human do blade flying over 250Km / hr just a metre from a cliff, life and death. why ? thrill?
Must I play with death to get a thrill?
Like weed, I said to the guy who smokes weed, so this out of body experience is a thrill for you? Why?
1) Love as Tov
2) Love as a mixture of tov and ra
Would you agree with this idea?
D I don’t know if I can agree or not – you want to use word LOVE
God has been and is and will be very harsh
God has and will put many to death – and some death of spirit
But you want to speak in terms of LOVE ONLY
So I guess in your world – LOVE would have to be a mixture of tov and ra
R Scripture says GOD is light, GOD is love.
Darkness or RA does not exist in GOD, nor does a mixture of tov love and ra love.
GOD cannot ever be harsh. GOD does not wound anybody.
The laws do allow living to end. This is not wounding as you think.
Only GOD is living. Therefore ending relationnship with GOD, is just that, you come to an end.
When it says GOD mixed languages during Babel, this included GOD's Hebrew too.
This is why we ponder. Like your motto. Nice
D What laws lead Abraham to God?
R Abram followed the ten laws of love. He followed natural laws to eat, walk and provide for family. He was familar with salvation, the Person, and supported HIM. Ie the Science of Salvaion, steps to loving salvation, the Person, even in a RA world
Yet you also say GOD overrules HIS own laws? How is this possible?
D Tell me what are the Laws that Govern God
The ten laws of love.
1 "I am your Saviour. " Do not have pride. Get me your hand, Be humble
2 "I am your covering" You lost my covering. I am your Provider.
3 "I am your power" No empty storm prayers. Support my power promises
4 " I am your fruit" Share me each Sabbath with others.
Now do relational things with my powers of love
5 "I am a divine family
6 "I do not wound
7 "I am relational
8 "I am all things
9 "I speak truth
10 " Desire me
In a NON RA world we will see the Hebrew words worded differently in heaven. But GOD lives by His own immutable laws of love.
D contradictory to Cherub chata in front of God
R not really, when divinity came to fallen Abram, how come Abram never died on the spot?
Ge 17:1 ¶ And when Abram <'Abram> was ninety <tish`iym> <shaneh (in pl. only),> years <shaneh (in pl. only),> old <ben> and nine <tesha`>, the LORD <Y@hovah> appeared <ra'ah> to Abram <'Abram>, and said <'amar> unto him, I am the Almighty <Shadday> God <'el>; walk <halak> before me <paniym>, and be thou perfect <tamiym>.
Yashua-YHWH appeared to Abram in the medium of the Shadday.
Pr 8:25 Before the mountains <har> were settled <taba`>, before <paniym> the hills <gib`ah> was I brought forth <chuwl>:
Chuwl, wisdom, the feminine Person came out like child birth pains, during RA happening when the anointed angel commander begin sinning. The medium allows RA beings to be near GOD without perishing. I base this idea on natural laws of wind. Wind is by definition an air media carrying power in it.
D God can do murder on His own
R God cannot wound any person the chance of repenting. Returning to GOD fully by free choice.
You say angels do not have this ability. I say they do. If a war was in heaven with angels, than angels can choose GOD or not. GOD did not wound any angel. He allowed them to sin fully, decide fully.
God responded to their moral RA, by doing natural RA to allow their moral RA to exist.
The law of living has provision for living to end. Living ends when the creature does not want a relationship to living. Living only comes from GOD.
D The job of the archon – to test / stress all creation
R God would not develop angels to do RA to stress creation. Human programmers do this code because they are not perfect programmers of code. God is however perfect. He does not require a perfect world to be tested by imperfection.
If I develop a racing car, I do not crash my creation to test it's ability to withstand crashing. I would drive in such a way as to never disobey laws of driving carefully. So such design elements you speak of make no sense. Not necessary.
Raping a human does not make both humans experience love better.
A child seeing war, does not help the child grow up in peace.
Your ideas are silly.
D Robert – there is absolutely no way you understand what happens in a courtroom
Joshua is the accused – Joshua is on trial
The prosecutor’s job – is to accuse Joshua of each and every chata Joshua choose
YHWY-CHRIST – is the Judge
In this case – the judge said to the prosecutor - stop – say no more – shut up
Why – because – God has granted Joshua a divine pardon – and plucked from the fire
You really need to study this verse more – your perception of it is in error
R show me Bible texts that describe the heavenly court room in this way.
Yeah earthly court rooms, yes, I get what you are saying. But the Bible does NOT describe heavenly judgement in this way.
Every deed creatures do, human or angelic, is recorded by GOD and angels . There is a perfect record already of everything you ever do, ever think and all trandgressions of law as well. All on record.
Also the DNA you have, records all the things you do, the epigenetics is recorded.
The chemcial and information record system is enourmous.
Also every memory, every input sense is also stored in your brain, fully recorded by you.
Also every functional aspect of GOD's power you use or abuse is fully recorded about you.
Also every outside thing you do is fully witnessed by other non sinning beings.
So when an investigation is called up on a human, what Beings also stand in court, and what are their functional roles?
people come to court to face penalities for laws they have broken.
In heaven's court, breaking a single law, is the eternal death penalty.
However there is provision, under grace , for a saviour to experience eternal death on your behalf.
An angelic being could have read these laws, but not understood them, because such laws while they exist have no power over any person, until such laws come into currency.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
The phrase "stones of fire" mean?
Jos 7:25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
26 And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day.
(KJV)
"stones and fire" seem to refer to "sin"??
1Ki 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
"stones and fire" seem to refer to the power and presence of God? also Ps 18:12
Eze 23:47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.
"stones and fire" seem to refer to judgement from sins
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
"stones and fire" seem to refer to judgement from sins
Ex 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
"stones and fire" seem to refer to God's presence, AND His immutable eternal LAW
It seems the commander angel read the laws, but did not understand them? Was GOD holding back something else, some experience, not seen before in these laws?
Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Notice the moral RA here.The angel says there is no daily dieing. How long was this war in heaven? Long enough to say no dying here. No angel died, so GOD is lying.
Obviously GOD must know moral RA and natural RA, since these laws talk about them? So you cannot be as gods unless you experience moral and natural RA too? This is also a lie about GOD.
God can do natural RA, but hates doing it.
GOD never does moral RA, and hates other creatures doing it.
But GOD is loving, so is patient and long suffering.
D What is the opposing about? Yashua's right to save man.
Hmmmmmm? Maybe – but better said – man’s worthiness to be saved
R what you nearly agree?
D And when we are judged – the accuser / prosecutor / you say oppose is right there point out every flaw
This is the accuser’s job – his function
R you misunderstand what the Opposer is opposing, nothing about you and your sinning, but about your access to salvation, the divine Being.
The opposer wants subjects for his kingdom, so together they oppose GOD. This is what a war is over.
The opposing is about the rescue effort. "Hey you cannot take this man from me, he is mine. He sins like I sin. He belongs to me." Jesus says no, His records show He sought my pardon, I can save Him from You.
D A lost soul – is just living in self
R maybe, many do. But there is an influence ruling their soul too, daily, to make sport with their soul.
D Satan – evil – the devil – the archon have no need to interact with these lost souls
R correct, the Devil leaves his subjects alone, if they love Him and use His powers.
Can the Devil empower things with His powers?
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Notice war mentioned again on earth. Dragon is fancy name for Opposer. The Opposer gave power unto the beast powers to war against humans. It was the Opposer who murdered Job's children using the minds of wicked humans, who were slaves to this Opposing Power of GOD.
D However – if you become pious – Job – then suddenly the archon are more direct
R Job was not pious. He was fully completed saved by GOD. totally protected, hence the Opposer's rage.
Did the Opposer show rage when questioned by GOD, who saved Job fully as Job requested?
Yes "Does Job fear God for nought?" the Opposer jeered.
Remove your hedge and let me have him without your protection... the Opposer jeers again.
What about pious people?
Re 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Not much glory being lukewarm. God spit you from his mouth.
Ra is the idea of anything not functional to GOD.
D Is decay ra – is decay not functional?
R in the new world, without RA in it, picked flowers will never die. How this works I don't know.
You never see an umbra shadow either. No snow. No cold weather. No oceans. Just a fresh water sea.
You can talk to bird freely, and listen to them talk about GOD. Even the dog will say, boy you humans took your time to relate to GOD, we love GOD all the time.
No fibre in our food either, all soluble, no toilet waste. A world totally different to this current one.
But the original earth was like as I describe, but Adam chose RA, and got RA laws.
Decay is useful in a RA world, but never seen in a Non-RA world.
D Rulers – this must come from your great controversy doctrine
Only two rulers God or satan – black and white
R yes, it is black and white
D Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were designated / ordained sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be designated / ordained righteous.
R nice try, but does this mean fit all other 22 sentences in the NT?
Mt 24:45 whom <hos> his <autos> lord <kurios> hath made ruler <kathistemi> over <epi> his <autos> household <therapeia>
whom the Lord designated over his household
Ac 6:3 whom <hos> we may appoint <kathistemi> over <epi> this <taute> business <chreia>.
whom we designate over this business
Tit 1:5 and <kai> ordain <kathistemi> elders <presbuteros>
we designate elders
Jas 3:6 And <kai> the tongue <glossa> is a fire <pur>, a world <kosmos> of iniquity <adikia>: so <houto> is <kathistemi> the tongue <glossa> among <en> our <hemon> members <melos>,
The tongue is designated among our members
Not really fitting here is it?
The tongue rules among our members
Ge 42:6 And Joseph was the governor over the land,
And Joseph was the Designator over the land
Ok your word is OK, a bit fancy... why don't you just use "rule/ruler/ruled" same meaning really as "designated/Designator" ?
Would you agree?
D I want to love you as a brother in Christ - right after I choke you –
R I smiled right here. Yeeah but I love your off grid technology ideas.
You think science too. We have many things in common too.
D Do you know where the three second rule came from?
In America we have this colloquial thing called the three second rule
If you drop some food on the table or floor – you still eat it and claim it is still clean because it only lay there 3 seconds
R interesting.
I hate eating green apples and rotten apples.
Scripture says not to eat food that dieth of itself. ie is dying or has died.
Why? because food that decays is no longer living. The 3D structure is falling apart.
I was taught when you eat, complex food become simple in your stomach. This is BS
Most of your food remains intact in your blood system, DNA and all.
The herbs you eat can literally control your cellular chemistry.
I have learned since science knows little about anything.
D So – you can put God away for 3 seconds
R I bow my head entering church, it's my 3 second olah offering, voluntary offering to GOD, a living sacrifice.
D for the expression – KNOW YOUR ENEMY and Knowledge is Power – and The Best Defense is a good Offense
R I would disagree entirely with this. Scripture says to fight the good fight of support.
You cannot fight shadows of death. The best way to fight in a moral RA war, is to look at the light, support the light, walk towards the light.
Sit in the light. Read under light. Get empowered by light. Forget the darkness. Einstein says such things do not exist anyhow.
D Our struggle is not with just one satan – but a host of archon in different ranks with different areas of responsibility
R correct, but who cares about them. I don't. I spend my time supporting Jesus.
D Because Jews do not believe in your satan – none of them – not as an evil god
R Jews do not believe in the HS either, it is a wind to them.
They do not believe in a divine Son either, all this is poly theism.
Did Abram know differently? apparently....
What about Enoch? did he not say
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 ¶ To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Would a Jew accept the word kurios here is YHWH, and the same word for kurios Jesus. as YHWH-yashua? I doubt it.
What is Jude doing? He is making YHWH the Christ that comes, from Enoch's time.
D You make it sound as if bad thing happens – people deserve the bad
How was Job not fully supporting God? And bad things happened all around him
Why did his children do that they deserved to die?
R I thought you said Job was pious only. Now Job was fully supporting GOD? yes He was
Job is written for us, give us hope. Job did not deserve bad things, sometimes they happen...
D Do you have any idea how many orthodox Christians believe that sickness is the result of sin
R moral RA causes a change to natural laws, causing natural RA too.
SO yes much of health is linked to your moral RA.
D And this all happened during the same age when the church preached against taking a bath
You should wear the sweat of your sin as a sacrament to the lord – self denial
Wear itchy sackcloth and scourge yourself as you walk in public
R yes pious pity means nothing to GOD.
If your sick, ask GOD to heal you, support the prayer promise.
Follow His natural laws of health, take a bath,
bathe in sunshine
etc
D Line upon line – scripture must self-validate
Anyone that says scripture is contradictory just doesn’t know enough scripture
R yes, kathestemi we almost agree
designate is nearly same as ruler is it not?
So when Adam sinned some Designator went into action... who might this be?
D
Ruwach means spirit – this is an essence – no substance – a thing
Nephesh = soul
R correct
D Soul is spirt within a body –
Nephesh is ruwach ? Where does Scripture say this?
D – spirit is soul released from the body
Where does Scripture say this?
Nails + wood = box
Box is nephesh
remove nails, and wood falls, the box is no more.
Nothing is released, the box ceases to be a box.
D You are the first ‘Christian’ that I even met that denies the soul – I was unaware this was SDA doctrine until I met you
R I don't deny a nephesh. You say when I die, my nephesh remains somewhere? When I die, my nephesh ceases to exist.
God records the nephesh of humans, both straight or crooked, so their nephesh can be fully restored as before the nephesh ceased to exist. So we need not worry about being forgotten.
D How do you fight this fight
And how do you obtain this goal
If you deny the spirit
R I don't deny a spirit either.
The HS itself witnesses to our spirit we are child of GOD.
The Father's character is administrated via the HS itself, witnesses to humans who support the Father's character adminstrated by the HS, we are children of the divine family of GOD.
Hebrew write broad and compact. The above is how I see that sentence.
Shalom Sabbath