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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2012 14:54:59 GMT -5
What an excellent video.
If you are a multidimensional trinity believer, as I am; it is easy to see the three persona of the trinity voiced in this explanation.
The verse reads: He (singular) said - let us (all persona's of the Trinity) make man in our (all persona's of the Trinity) image. (Video 2:45 - 3:25min) especially at 3:16 - the Elohim in this verse is apart of the plural but not all of it.
The Father speaks - the singularity - that first dimensional point that contains all points - all data - all knowledge - omniscience.
Gen 2:7 - The Holy Spirit breaths - into man the breath of life and man became a living being - second dimensional omnipresent God in spirit.
In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God, and through the Word all things were created.
Gen 2:6 - Dust of the ground - or 3D construct within this reality - biology - creation - Christ.
Father - Holy Ghost - Man (Creation)
Watch the video again
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Post by Richard on Jun 18, 2012 13:14:15 GMT -5
I also see the Trinity being represented here. The Father - whom no man can see or will surely die. The Spirit that fills us and matter of reality
It took involvement of all three faces of God to form Adam from the ground and cause him to be a living being.
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Post by Ali on Jun 20, 2012 8:48:10 GMT -5
The presenter of the video, as far as I know, does not believe and did not intend to convey anything close to the doctrine of trinity. You can reach him directly via his website to get more information.
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2012 9:59:34 GMT -5
Hey there,
Isn't it interesting that 2 people - 2 groups of people - can look at something and close onto totally different conclusions. It comes back to that Gesalt Theory of cognitive closure.
We all close on new information in the framework of the knowledge and understandings we already posses.
Evidence that supports a Trinity for me, include: My reluctance to adopt a man-god image for my Creator. So many religions worship to a god image - where God is a 3D form - an elderly gentleman with white hair and beard - perhaps eyes of fire. The Mormons claim that Elohim was once a human man just like you and me, but he grew up to be a god by his continued righteousness. To me appear as pagan attempts to worship some thing less than the Creator Himself. These theologies require too many exceptions to their definitions.
If God is a 3D person - a thing - sitting on his throne somewhere, how can he be anywhere else in time or space. How about the encounter between Moses and God. If God is a 3D thing, does this mean God was out of touch - or out of reach to the rest of creation while He stood on the Mount with Moses? Of course not the answer goes - God's Spirit is everywhere. OH - then God isn't just a thing that occupied 3D space as we do - He has a Spirit side to his persona. An omnipresent Spirit side.
Moses asked God to let Moses see Him - but God answered by say - no man can see me and live - but he would allow His Glory to pass before Moses. Oh - we can see part of him - or evidence of him - just not him directly.
So, there is the part we can never see (Father) - the part we can see (3D construct - Christ) - and that ever present Spirit side.
Even in the Jeff Brenner clip - God said let us - our. The God said is a singularity - a part of the Elohim plural, but not all of it. The the rest of the plural was 'breath of life' - spirit - and the 3D construct.
As a multidimensionalist - taking any school text definitions for dimensions always begin with - the 1st dimension, which is a singularity, all points, all data, all knowledge, omniscient - Father.
The 2nd dimension is a plane - an omnipresent plane - the fabric of the universe. - Spirit
Then here we are as 3D construct - creation - now that's omnipotent.
Any God worthy of my worship has to be master over every dimension of my reality and at the very heart of it all. It is hard to ignore the fact that any discussions of multiple dimensions all find their beginnings and support from that 1st dimensional singularity.
Any pagan attempt to anthropomorphize God into a 3D thing - a man-god, is always followed by defensive posturing around God can't do that or God can't do this - He evidently has limits too -- Which is absolutely contrary to being omnipotent.
Even Islam believes in a 2 dimensional God - The father and His Spirit. Are they one and the same? Is it so much harder to wake up and realize that all the story revolves around our 3D construct.
In the Beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, the Word was God; and through the Word all things were Created.
AND it is that Word that is the perfect Gospel - Ingeel - a living Word promised to comfort us - from within -
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Post by Seeker of the Truth on May 5, 2015 18:24:19 GMT -5
This idea is in agreement with Quran as well....But... we are talking about "writings". Like Pauline Epistles or revelation, James writings etc. I am saying, these writings are not inspired words, because the writer could never recieve any revelation from Holy Spirit. The writer wasn't a prophet. The church says, YES THEY ARE! I bring the boundary issue forth (described above) and the Quranic testimony that only Jesus Christ was the prophet. The rest of folks around him were only his close followers, were preacher of his message. So my question is how come a preacher's writing, today is part of the New testament? or even is considered as the part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Quran asserts that it was only Jesus who could have received "inspired words" through Holy Spirit. The rest of individuals around him were only his followers, not prophets. Shalaamu Ali, I disgree, Ali. At least some of the apostles became prophets (Matthew 23:34). There were indeed prophets among the Nazaraeans (i.e. Judeo-Christians),, e.g. Philip's 4 daughters and Agabus (Acts 21:8-10). As to the authorship of the Gospel attributed to Luke (whoever the author was), it is apparent that he also wrote Acts, just by the first few verses of the text. The author of the Gospel attributed to John also wrote the letters of John (1, 2 and 3), because of the same style is used throughout.
Shalaamu Dave, Rich and Stella, I disagree on the trinity. Yahweh has 7 Spirits (רוחות) according to Isaiah 11:1-2 and Revelation 4:5. So the רוח הקדש (literally the Separated Wind, i.e. "Holy Spirit") is only one of 7 attributes of Yahweh, therefore it cannot be a part of a triune god. In Deuteronomy 6:4, Elohim emphasizes is oneness by saying: שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh is One (אחד, from Proto-Semitic אחד or וחד meaning "to unite").
Blessings to all of you, Shalaamu ʕAlaykum
-- Seitz (הלתואם Hal-Tawʔam)
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Post by Dave on May 31, 2015 16:48:24 GMT -5
This idea is in agreement with Quran as well....But... we are talking about "writings". Like Pauline Epistles or revelation, James writings etc. I am saying, these writings are not inspired words, because the writer could never recieve any revelation from Holy Spirit. The writer wasn't a prophet. So my question is how come a preacher's writing, today is part of the New testament? or even is considered as the part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Gospel Message vrs Gospel Book My response was that the Gospel of Jesus - the good news - was a spoken message Which was written down later in text that by the fate of vocabulary are also called gopsel. How can any one claim that their God is the creator of everything - master of everything - but He can't do this or that - or this other thing is impossible. Just 2 cents
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