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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2020 1:43:29 GMT -5
Did the Jews ever see a free willing angel stand up in opposition to God? NO! Did the First Christians see a free willing angel stand up in opposition to God? NO! The entire concept is 4th Century Roman Catholic
Now you tell me that Isalm and Catholicism are working together But you refuse to address your own Catholic beliefs
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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2020 9:23:31 GMT -5
This is what I’ll say about Walter Vieth
In formal Christianity - you sare forbidden / discouraged to read and study The Koran - the Hindu religion - history of the Catholic Church - history of Islam
You are not allowed to read all of the quotations of Jesus Christ You are not allowed to read all of the words penned by the disciples You are not allowed to read anything apocryphal
OK - Protestantism is a closed theology - just like Catholicism
So then Christian pastors can go around misrepresenting all this out information No one is allowed to even read the material to see if they are telling you the truth
Walter Veith - there is absolutely no difference between Catholicism and Islam The Jewish Kabbalah says that Jesus is the satan and is just satan worship (from the first video you shared)
These are - how should I say this - LIES! / untruths Just another Catholic sermon filled with lies and untruths that you are never supposed to check for yourself - just believe him - just take his word for it Therefore - no respect from me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 13:36:07 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
Did not Muhammad marry a woman who was a Catholic Nun? Did you see the symbols inside the Islam temples, and the Catholic temples? That they are the same? Did you not see a Muslim temple inside the temple of Luxor in Egypt, with a Catholic temple next door? Did you not see the book, He shows with writings from Morals and Dogma? A book only given to 33 degree Masons?
Are you saying the Islam religion is completely independent from the Roman Catholic religion, that they are not the same? He goes on to say the inner Catholics actually worship the Koran, not the Hebrew Scriptures, the Koran says Jesus Christ did not die personally for sinners. We have no sin offering in order to base our salvation upon, the Koran says.
It's hard, impossible to read a 33 degree Moral and Dogma book:
What people thought of the 3 degree Moral and Dogma book, by Pike:
Michael J. Holden
Reviewed in the United States on December 27, 2013
Maybe I didn't read the description closely enough, but this version is ONLY THE FIRST THREE DEGREES. It is not the full original version of Pike's Morals and Dogma, which covers all 32 degrees. I don't know why this version is even being sold, as it is only a very small portion of the original work. I thought I was getting Pike's Morals and Dogma. This is disappointing, why is only part of a book being sold?
LaShay M.
Reviewed in the United States on September 13, 2018
If you’re looking for juicy conspiracies, l wouldn’t bother reading this book. 99% of this book is about ancient politics! It was a complete snore fest. The last four pages of the book is where it finally became worthwhile. So l’ll sum it up! The Scottish Rite Freemasons follow the Kabbalah. They believe the Bible is absolutely absurd. They intentionally mislead the masses including their very own lower degree Masons. They believe only some are worthy and intelligible enough to handle the truth. Satan’s real name is Yahweh! The End
It goes back to your theme, how do we ponder this confusion and therefore deception? You told me once, you read all things looking for a common thread of truth in it? Me personally, I read only the Hebrew Scriptures....the common received text....the KJV version Bible...
I read some of your Gnostic Books remember, the book is full of other junk, contradictory statements, etc. You pull out the good bits, leaving the rest...
That is NOT how we read Truth. Hebrew Scripture in it's entirety is truth, we are told to read line upon line, all the teachings make harmony... including the 6 sentence contexts about "elohiym plural" concerning pagan gods, that Gordon the Jew does not like. And including the reference to "cherub chata", you reject.
Dave asks: "Did the Jews ever see a free willing angel stand up in opposition to God? NO!
Jews wrote the Hebrew Scriptures, some of Jews were true prophets of GOD. Other Jews are false prophets of GOD, how do we unravel whom is trustworthy?
To the books of Moses and the true prophets we are told, judge the messages from these earlier ones...if their is any light of dawn in them.
The Hebrew word "satan-verb" means "oppose". The "satan-noun" means "Opposer". You twist the meaning when the Opposer meets God, over the conversation with Job.
You say Opposer opposes man, but in presence of GOD, the Opposer is a servant of GOD. I suppose this can work in court rooms, for all judges and lawyers work on cases hired by humans, and they oppose each other in court, for the sake of humans they fight over.
In this context, this is a war on earth, over humans, which Opposers oppose.
But Scripture says to read line upon line, all over the teachings, so in Rev 12:8
we have a war of angels in heaven, not fighting over mankind at all.
And in Romans 5, the fall of Adam caused a court room change, over Adam's sin.
Again you battled with me over the meaning of kathestemi, and important Hebrew word, meaning to "rule", as Joseph "ruled" Egypt. A context that links the Green word to it's original Hebrew word.
So humans are "ruled" by "rulers" over them. When Adam sinned, a change of "ruler" occurred. You have never considered this.
Nor have you considered Jesus statement, I have come to fight the "ruler" of this world.
You see Dave, I piece together many Bible passages, digging up very different themes, all based on the concept of "oppose" and "oppose". The very concept of "sin" is a theme that also "opposes GOD", have you considered this? The word means to "miss". But miss what you say?
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. 16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased. 17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. (KJV)
This passage summarizes Christian salvation. A Greek word "koinonia" means "partnership", the whole stance of GOD is to dwell in his power all the time in "partnership" to be missing nothing of His power in your life. To allow GOD to rule over you continually.
Verse 17, adds to remember to allow Secular Governments to rule over you too, they watch over you, just as Divine Elohiym Government watches over you. It's a simile.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
You don't have this famous love verse in your model:
A solitary YHWH cannot give a expression of itself, that is not love, but self-love, an expression of itself, no free willing love between Beings here, in your model. You worship a elohiym that cannot love, cannot give, and cannot have partners of loving. Your elohiym has the gender male and gender feminine inside the body, yes, just as Adam was, but that is all you go... what happened to Adam in this state?
Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
The MAN with both masculine and feminine expressions inside of HIM, got lonely. He could not LOVE as the other kinds He saw could love. He had no helpmate.
Earthworms are living examples of Adam, they live in the dark, and if they can't find a another worm to mate with, they can mate with themselves. Did GOD make all the animals in this way? no. He wanted to demonstrate love further.
He built the helpmate from out of the man, the woman was already inside the man, and made her separate , a genetic clone, but her loving style was different to the man.
The man has YX, and the woman XX. So the woman lacks some DNA expressions and thus loves in a different way to the man. SO we what say this is two bodies of DNA? We say this is TWO sets of DNA? Or a single set of DNA? You tell me?
I would call this a single set of DNA, just some subset in another body so her loving style is different to the subset of the man. Unified as one, they love in harmony.
But you don't get this ? You call this poly-being, poly-DNA. I would call this mono-being, and mono-DNA.
Are there any example of creatures locked into a single system of love? Yes, a few. The wood pecker locks herself in a nest, and the male wood pecker brings her food daily. In this system of love, it is truly unified, without the other, each dies.
The same with penguins, without the parents, the child dies.
A family system of love, is just that, a system of loving members as one.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2020 0:24:44 GMT -5
Did you see the symbols inside the Islam temples, You want to see some symbols? Watch this - Jesus Christ is a pagan sun worship Lots of symbolic proof - youtu.be/bmjQ1566ql0Did you not see the book, He shows with writings from Morals and Dogma? A book only given to 33 degree Masons? Jews wrote the Hebrew Scriptures, some of Jews were true prophets of GOD. Other Jews are false prophets of GOD, how do we unravel whom is trustworthy? To the books of Moses and the true prophets we are told, judge the messages from these earlier ones...if their is any light of dawn in them. I read some of your Gnostic Books remember, the book is full of other junk, contradictory statements, etc. Me personally, I read only the Hebrew Scriptures....the common received text....the KJV version Y ou confuse me - You asked me to watch Walter Veith So - let me understand your logic - Parts of the ahl are suspect and should be discounted if they fail to support Catholicism A book written in 1880, by a self-proclaimed Satanist is valid - we can use it for illumination But writings of the First Christians like James, John, Peter, and Phillip that walked and talked with Jesus Christ is totally useless So - do you agree with Walter Veith or not? If you agree with Walter Veith why do you hold your official Catholic Canon so close?You see Dave, I piece together many Bible passages, digging up very different themes, all based on the concept of "oppose" and "oppose". The very concept of "sin" is a theme that also "opposes GOD", have you considered this? The word means to "miss". But miss what you say? See what you do - you pick and choose passages them force them together to support your view How very Catholic Each and every denomination can list an endless string of scripture to support their own individual doctrine Phds and famous world renown theologians - all have their endless list of scriptures Some are Baptist, Anglos, Amish, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness
Just because you have your own special brand of doctrine - does not make you different than any of these other denomination - they will all fight to defend their viewsJoh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, Y ou don't have this famous love verse in your model: you keep putting words in my mouth - it is not helpful or productive
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2020 9:23:41 GMT -5
I usually never take the Catholic Church’s side in anything - but, I must defend the attempt to be Christ like on the world stage I know you don’t think history has any bearing on religion - BUT At the end of WWI - it was the Judeo-Christian West had the opportunity to rebuild the world How could WWI be the war that ends all wars? Globalism The Judeo-Christian West - Led by US President Woodrow Wilson - put forth the League of Nation During a 1919 conference at the League of Nations, a motion was proposed to encourage international cooperation with the Catholic Church (http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm ) The Judeo-Christian West invited the Catholic Church to join the League of Nations The Vatican - is a state - as well as the center of all Catholicism At the time - The Catholic Church reached more Judeo-Christian Westerners than any single government In 1923, the Catholic Church addressed the League of Nations stating that - “its only competency was in matters of elucidation of questions of principle in morality and public international law” (Wiki) - The Holy See is not a member of the United Nations, but was granted permanent observer state (i.e., non-member state) status on 6 April 1964. In that capacity, it has the right to attend all sessions of the United Nations General Assembly, the United Nations Security Council, and the United Nations Economic and Social Council to observe their work Here is the Catholic’s Church’s opportunity to help bring world peace What did the Vatican do?(Wiki) - The Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, commonly known as the Second Vatican Council or Vatican II, addressed relations between the Catholic Church and the modern world. The Council, through the Holy See, was formally opened under the pontificate of Pope John XXIII on 11 October 1962 and was closed under Pope Paul VI on the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception on 8 December 1965. The eight-point agreement from that Council stated:www.thetablet.co.uk/news/5531/the-eight-things-catholics-and-muslims-agree-on1- We share beliefs and moral values. Our commonalities are much more than our particularities, and they constitute a solid basis peacefully and fruitfully living together 2- We believe in the humanising and civilising role of our religions, when their followers adhere to their principles of worshipping God and loving and caring for the other. 3- We believe that God bestowed upon every person dignity and inalienable rights. They are His gifts that should be recognised, guaranteed and protected by law. 4- We pledge our solidarity with our brothers and sisters in humanity who are in any kind of need regardless of their ethnic, religious or cultural background. 5- Our help to the poor and the needy should be offered out of compassion and for the sake of God's favour. It should never be used to proselytise. 6- We believe that the youth represent not only the future of humanity. They are also an important part of its present. They have the right to proper education that prepares them to be good citizens respectful of diversity. 7- Our world, our "common home", is going through many complicated crises and needs the steady efforts of its inhabitants to make it a suitable place where we can live together peacefully, sharing the resources of the universe, mindful of future generations. 8- We express our proximity and solidarity with all those who suffer, especially from violence and armed conflict. Respect for international law, dialogue, justice, mercy, compassion are values and adequate means to achieve peace and harmony. Since 1964 the Vatain has signed its name to 172 UN amendments - such as: 1966 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty 1972 Protocol Amending the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs 1972 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction (Biological Weapons Convention) 1972 Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage 1976 Protocol to the Agreement on the Importation of Educational, Scientific and Cultural Materials of 1977 Protocol I relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts 1977 Protocol II relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts 1989 United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child 1992 Amendment to article 8 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1993 Convention on the prohibition of the development, production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons and on their destruction (Chemical Weapons Convention) 1993 Amendments to the 1980 Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons 1996 Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty 1997 Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction 2008 Convention on Cluster Munitions 2017 Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons Working on the World Stage - doing its best to help bring about peace You favorite preacher teaches you that:What a moron!Tell me what the SDA Church has done on the world stage to promote peace What would your response be to the United Nation when asked how to promote world peaceI am a gardener, you must be too, SO; is it OK to prune dead orange tree branches off the orange tree, or should one allow the fungus and death invade the remaining living branches on the tree? Four hundred years the Amorite branch grew only dead branches? That's doing what love says...sir I will hedge it and care for it, if it bears a living branch, fine we can keep it, otherwise we will cut it down, why cumber the ground with no fruit happening. This is a scripture parable for a reason. Catholics or SDA I know who I think sounds more Christ Like
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 5:18:27 GMT -5
Greetings Dave I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. And I do not wish to bring a bad name to the SDA church. My understanding is a church, any church are not allowed to have anything to do with government politics. As for the SDA church helping world affairs: www.adra.org.au/we-stand-with-refugees-worldwide/For decades, ADRA has championed the rights and wellbeing of people displaced by conflict and persecution—men, women and children of all different faiths, ethnicities and nationalities who have survived unspeakable hardship, terror and loss. In 2016 alone, more than 1.5 million refugees, internally displaced and stateless people in around 40 countries received shelter, food, clean water, hygiene goods, access to education, psychosocial support, and other services through the global ADRA network as part of our mission to love and help the most vulnerable during their time of greatest need. Read out latest report on world wide help, this ADRA is just from Australia. www.adra.org.au/wp-content/uploads/ADRA-Annual-Report-2019-Web-Version.pdfShalom
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 5:36:34 GMT -5
The uTube video you asked me to watch...
Published on Apr 13, 2016 This excerpt from the documentary "Zeitgeist" shines a very logical light on the requirement of ancient humans to give importance to certain astrological and seasonal phenomena, and how these then became the religions we know so well today.
What symbols do they show?
Do you agree with this "Zeitgeist" theory?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 19, 2020 10:29:25 GMT -5
Richard gave me quite a phone call - I apologies for calling Walter Veith a Moron You have not offended me - however my frustration grows I am trying to have a serious conversation about the most important topic possible And you present Walter Veith as an authority
I watched both videos by him suggest by you (this one and one months ago) On my own I have watched another one or two - or parts thereof
How to be an effective witness for the Lord - tell me the truth - if I see factual error in anyone’s presentation I will call them out as agenda pushers - not factual educators Who needs an agenda pusher salesman promoting his own agenda
We could spend hours discussing his false and misleading statements
AND on top of all this - you do not even agree with him - you also say he is incorrect / wrong / in error Because he says Rome edited the Canon - you so disagree - in fact the Roman Canon to you is the one and only received text
He also said that the Rome tried to stamp out / kill the TRUE 1st Century Christians - like the group that authored the Nag Hammadi - from authors like John, Peter, James, Phillip - But you declare that this same literature is just Gnostic junk (it is what you said)
Is there a difference from running for political office and being present in the name of the Lord Here in America - a Priest / Pastor / Minister always prays before a congressional meeting Is this wrong in SDA eyes
Judeo-Christian West have always relied upon “the church” for moral guidance The Vatican was invited to the League of Nations It took the Vatican 4 years to finally answer the invitation saying - the only relevant contribution the church could make is in moral leadership The Vatican never became a voting member - only as an observer / advisor
So if the World came knocking on the SDA’s door for moral guidance - what would you do? Turn your back?
Is there a difference between Catholicism and Islam? Catholics that teach - the Son of God, Resurrection, and salvation through the Son, by request And Islam that teaches - God has no Son - there was no Resurrection - and salvation comes only by submission to the will of Allah
Walter Veich says - ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE Please try to defend hiss view
SDA theology seems so one dimensional God and all the angels act and behave like man to you Man gets angry so angels must also get angry God and the HS are a married couple like your mortal parents
and now there is no difference between Islam and Catholicism - absolutely no difference
Gnostic cosmology is multidimensional There are many archons / principalities here manipulating this reality YES! - Rome was usurped by the archon YES! - Rome tried its best to stamp out true Christianity in favor of Catholicism YES! - Rome edited the agl The archon took over the Catholic Church to change it into anything but true Christianity
The archon do not care if you worship them or anything - as long as you FORGET You can be the best Catholic or SDA Christian - and not know Christ
The Unitarian Church - looks, smells, and acts Christian - virgin birth and physical resurrection not medically possible Jehovah Witness - - looks, smells, and acts Christian - but there is no heaven - this is it - God made earth for man Mormon - - looks, smells, and acts Christian - But Jehovah is an alien from the planet Pleiades - he was once a man that grew into a god - and has twin sons Christ and satan
All of these groups are 100% Christian in name All of them are urged along from the spirit realm by an archon
Islam = the third Abrahamic religion - Allah is an Archon - is he the ‘sar’ of this world? Maybe just one of many ‘sars’ operating under the ‘sar’ of this planet Islam is the anti-chirst Who does the Beheading of saints in revelations? - Islam Who attacks Israel in Ezk 38 - Islam Islam is as much of the Biblical story as the 7 churches in Asia Or Egypt, or Canaan, or Rome, or Judas - all used to facilitate God's plan
All of this is archon inspired - YES!
AND - the Deep State that manipulates our governments AND - the media / motion pictures AND - modern medicine - vaccines - extending existence beyond your appointed time AND - Cartoons - public education Aliens / UFOs and even our own space program
All of this is evidence of the archon messing with man - from behind the scenes David Ike - and everything he says
It is a muti-dimensional attack upon our senses from many different archon
To say - there is absolutely no difference between Islam and the Catholic Church Is simpleism - one dimensional - misleading - and does as much to hide the bigger picture as any other archon deception
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Post by Dave on Jun 19, 2020 10:48:02 GMT -5
This excerpt from the documentary "Zeitgeist" What symbols do they show? Do you agree with this "Zeitgeist" theory? From the perspective of the Northern Hemisphere The Sun dies upon the Cross every year on Dec 21st - the Winter Solstice The Sun remains dead for 3 days and then is resurrected on Dec 25th - bringing new lifeThis is 100% fact isn’t it - hard not to agree with this - it happens every year If a few symbols prove Catholics are Islamic - then these symbols must also prove Christianity is nothing more than more Gnostic JunkMy Answer here - (you should read the paper) Jesus the Sun God - And the attempt to diminish Christianityponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=sungod“So, is there any truth in the ancient astrological reference to Jesus the Sun of God hypothesis? Absolutely not! But what about the correlation with all those other ancient god figures?
At the very heart of the Pondering Confusion methodology is the notion that if one person sees or says a thing, it is just an opinion. But, if several people see the same thing, well then, maybe there is something to it. If multiple cultures claim the same phenomena from multiple eras of humanity, then the phenomena gains credibility. Am I saying that belief in Jesus Christ validates these ancient stories – absolutely not!
However, if valid, the message of Jesus Christ has to be the absolute most important and powerful message given to humanity! Do not multiple examples of the same message give its credibility more weight? Do not ancient stories prepare humanity for the message of Jesus Christ once delivered? The difference is in the timing and delivery of that message, because only one source of that message is supported and validated by Jesus Christ fulfilling the 300-400 prophesies of the 5000 year long metaphor known as Judeo-Christian Scripture, the only writing on this planet which claims authorship from a realm beyond the limitations of this corporeal and mortal reality.”The authors of Zietgeis go from ancient Egyptian History straight to the agl - look it correlates However - if you include the ahl in the story you do not reach the same conclusion Walter Veith can pull together some cool imagery to push an adgenda - just like zeitgeis But neither represent the whole story - therefore both leave out much -because they must Do I pull together my own imagery - sure - we all do However - here I am on open forum begging for someone to show me my error Walter Veith is not that guy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 16:52:18 GMT -5
Dave this topic is getting too big:
SDA theology seems so one dimensional
Read the Bible plainly as it reads,
God and all the angels act and behave like man to you
Angels are messengers too, ministering upon man for our alvation
Man gets angry so angels must also get angry
As long as you don't sin, flaring the nose is OK, to a point.
God and the HS are a married couple like your mortal parents
I would not say it like that, disrespectful. God is not of matter, we see things darkly. Similes are not exactly the same, but they do show us similes... don't take the similes strictly ...it's poetry for a reason...
and now there is no difference between Islam and Catholicism - absolutely no difference
In the inner secret level, yes, but in the outer public level, there is a huge difference. Islam do not have Jesus who died for you sins. Catholics push Mary as the Saviour, not so much the Son of GOD.
As for symbols the Zietgeis show, well some while back you helped me discover a Hebrew word that means "seeking-verb" and "Seeker-noun". But the KJV translates "seeker-noun" as sun, the dawn.
I wrote a song, "early in the morning, the seeker I was seeking... He rays of love was dawning upon my soul today O praise His glory The scriptures tell the story. How the Son of Good in glory, So shines upon my soul.
Scripture portrays the Seeker, who seeks as a simile of the Sun who seeks. So if you want to look for sun symbols of Jesus, yes thy are there... but this don't not mean Jesus is the Sun, only a simile. Pagans went too far in the Scripture stories, inspired by archons obviously.
As for your symbols, if you see a Islam temple inside the temple of Luxor in Egypt, next to a Catholic temple, what does this tell you?
Let's keep the pictures simple... why are both churches side by side each other, in fact all over the Muslim world? Is this true, or partly true?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 19, 2020 22:31:51 GMT -5
SDA theology seems so one dimensional God and all the angels act and behave like man to you Man gets angry so angels must also get angry God and the HS are a married couple like your mortal parents I would not say it like that, disrespectful. This is the theology you have been preaching to meGod is not of matter, we see things darkly. Similes are not exactly the same, but they do show us similes... don't take the similes strictly ...it's poetry for a reason... I said this – a metaphor is not more real than the thing it is conveying So – why can’t you move beyond the metaphore
As for your symbols, if you see a Islam temple inside the temple of Luxor in Egypt, next to a Catholic temple, what does this tell you? Gen 1:14 Then God said, “Let lights in the expanse of the sky be for separating the day from the night. They will be for signs and for seasons and for days and years.
Gen 1:14 is a universal truth – obvious to all humanity Let's keep the pictures simple... Sure Jesus is just the sun god dying on the cross at the winter solstice and rising again in 3 days Proof Christianity is a pagan sun worship cult
Why are your symbols fact proof – but another even been imagery is not?why are both churches side by side each other, in fact all over the Muslim world? Is this true, or partly true? 1- it could be a big conspiracy s you suggest Or – 2 – it is a product of trying to win the public If a town has only a Masque – there is no room in the community for a Christian Local Law becomes sharia and Christianity is discouraged Open a church in that same town – forces a degree of tolerance – and Christ can compete for those souls
Can Islam overtake the population of a city from a distance? No they need to open a Masque next to the church to compete for the populationJournal, Islam and Christian–Muslim Relations , Volume 20, 2009 - Issue 4www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09596410903194902?src=recsys&journalCode=cicm20The Siting of Churches and Mosques as an Indicator of Christian–Muslim RelationsAbstract The state of relations between Christians and Muslims can be difficult to assess, particularly on a micro scale. Analysing where and why places of worship are located can be an important indicator of the complexities of inter-religious relations. This paper uses examples and case studies from across time and space to demonstrate how changes to the religious landscape can help ascertain degrees of tolerance and intolerance. These changes can come about through such methods as allowing mosques or churches to be built as a sign of tolerance, destroying or converting mosques or churches as a sign of intolerance, building a place of worship adjacent to another place of worship out of either respect or a sense of superiority, and limiting the location in order to keep the minority religious group in its place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 13:45:52 GMT -5
Your not serious are you Dave, with this research paper?
I have to pay US 44 dollars to read this full paper? Do you really go with this paper, or did you throw it into my face?
How about showing me research that we can read, how about from Scripture itself?
Tell me, why is every prominent Catholic Church built on high places, over ancient pagan sites?
What does Scripture say about this?
Strong's 1116, bamah, meaning "high place".
Le 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you
(Notice the high places, GOD HATES)
(Aside, whose nephesh is this? and my soul shall abhor you ?)
De 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him. 13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
Scripture can be confusing, hey? Why does GOD make Israel ride on the "high places" if GOD hates the "high places"?
It's important to study all the lines upon lines in a theme, I have not done this, so I am asking the questions of confusion....
1Ki 3:2 Only the people sacrificed in high places, because there was no house built unto the name of the LORD, until those days. 3 And Solomon loved the LORD, walking in the statutes of David his father: only he sacrificed and burnt incense in high places.
See? But did GOD approve of this?
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Obviously GOD wants to set us on his high places, but some Opposer also wants to see himself upon the high places too. His end is hell, according to this verse.
Mic 1:3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
GOD does not like buildings and churches set on "high places".
That's what I get from this study so far? What do you see Dave?
Tell me, why is every prominent Catholic Church built on high places, over ancient pagan sites? And every prominent Muslim Church is also built on high places? Such as one inside the Egyptian temple of Luxor? Is this not true?
Most hospitals in Australia are also built on "high places"? Why do they do this?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 23, 2020 10:24:41 GMT -5
Your not serious are you Dave, with this research paper? I have to pay US 44 dollars to read this full paper? Do you really go with this paper, or did you throw it into my face?
Sorry - I have access to several scholarly sites - some I have access to because of my work affiliation - and some I signed up to long ago
However - An abstract is a quick summary of the entire paper - so you don’t have to read the entire paper
Tell me, why is every prominent Catholic Church built on high places, over ancient pagan sites? To show dominance over that pagan religion
Why do competing gas stations open directly across from one another You insist it is because they are working together When in reality they are both competing for the same population
In America - every town that gets a McDonald’s - soon also has a Burger King - then a Wendy’s (all fast food burger joints) In America - every town that got a K-Mart soon also had a Wal-Mart (both department stores)
Why - because they are in competition / NOT COLABORATION! Both are trying to put the other out of business
So - if Islam builds a Mosque in your town You think Christian churches should not compete for those souls Just leave the entire community to have only Islam to pick from
Le 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you
I agree - God should hate the Catholic Church and all Roman Christendom It was usurped by the archon around 90 AD and has been preaching a false Gospel ever since
Scripture can be confusing, hey? Why does GOD make Israel ride on the "high places" if GOD hates the "high places"?
Most hospitals in Australia are also built on "high places"? Why do they do this?
That's what I get from this study so far? What do you see Dave?
Two possible answers 1- it is either blatantly obvious that all Australian Hospitals hate the Lord and are deliberately attempting to be sacrilegious 2- Or - your one word Bible study method is just confusing you
Man builds on high ground because we are not stupid High ground always has the greatest survivability
Only stupid people build in Flood Plains or at the bottom of mud slides
Man builds on high ground to advertise - as you entered every ancient city you knew exactly where the church was before you even crossed the city limits Even if you didn’t have the high ground you built bell towers to compensate
The ‘high places’ God hates are spiritual centers of worship - and has nothing to do with the hill behind my house
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 14:13:57 GMT -5
You made me laugh, smile??
The Masons get people to worship and build on the high places, because its a slap on GOD's face... its a pride issue...
Rome builds on high places because the pagans did...inside the Church under the Church are pagan bones, dead bones and all kinds of bad things. My friends have seen some of this first hand.
Nothing like your saying... it's not a natural thing to dominate... Only the narrow road gets to heaven, not the dominate road...the little track, not the broad highway.
Dave writes: "Why - because they are in competition / NOT COLABORATION!
Really?
Jas 5:1 ¶ Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
The 10 rich men rule this world, not the little people as you claim... how many Churches war against GOD? only two....not dozens....
The opposer has dozens only to market deception...
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 23, 2020 21:27:26 GMT -5
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