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Sept 22, 2019 18:49:53 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2019 18:49:53 GMT -5
My feeling is the "dark spirits" come to those who support them, so if you support them directly, they come directly, if not they try to tempt you indirectly. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: Now I listened to a Rabbi who mixes his words, and says "ruwach" is "soul" that is not Hebrew. "Ruwach" is the "Holy Spirit" and "soul" is "nephesh". Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth If you support them directly, they come directly, If you choose Islam - anti-Christian If you become a Uniterrian - Jesus is not God incarnate and virgin birth and resurrection are parables If you become a Mormon - and Jehovah used to be a man that enlightened himself - then as a god Jehova had twin sons - Jesus and Satan If not they try to tempt you indirectly If you claim atheism - you are kept away from Christ If you believe in UFOs - the church has no place for you or them Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
No falling here - God set him so - God sent him so - God's will be done The Gospel of the Egyptians After five thousand years, the great light Eleleth spoke: "Let someone reign over the chaos and Hades." And there appeared a cloud whose name is hylic Sophia [...] She looked out on the parts of the chaos, her face being like [...] in her form [...] blood. And the great angel Gamaliel spoke to the great Gabriel, the minister of the great light Oroiael; he said, "Let an angel come forth, in order that he may reign over the chaos and Hades." Then the cloud, being agreeable, came forth in the two monads, each one of which had light. [...] the throne, which she had placed in the cloud above. Then Sakla, the great angel, saw the great demon who is with him, Nebruel. And they became together a begetting spirit of the earth. Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth Rev 12:7 (YLT) And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, Rev 12:9 (YLT) and the great dragon was cast forth—the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,' There are two entities here not one It does not say satan, satan, and satan - or Lucifer, Lucifer, and Lucifer Says - the dragon and the Accuser Rev 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night—to the ages of the ages. There is a trinity of evil - The devil - the beast - and the false prophet Gnostic beast = the Chief Archon - devil = the Accuser (any messanger / angel / archon used to accuse) - and the False prophet (a man? - the church? - something on/in this realm - religion?) Soul vrs Spirit In English they are used interchangeably because they represent the same concept How does God reach out to people - through the Holy Spirit - the expression of God My Soul is that divine intelligence given to me by God at conception My Soul is a thing - Spirit is the expression of that thing
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Sept 22, 2019 22:24:14 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2019 22:24:14 GMT -5
So there are churches to Satan and His angels, where followers support Him, just as true followers support GOD. . Really, I have investigated this for years – I have nevr found your statement to be true. “The church does not believe in the Devil, neither a Christian nor Islamic notion of Satan” In fact Satanist deny any spiritual realm at all (from: Church of Satan – Wiki - Atheistic Satanism, LaVeyan Satanism, The Satanic Bible, Theology of Egotheism, Headquarters - Poughkeepsie, New York Egothiesm – worship of self The satanic Bible – almost most word for word from – King Solomon’s’ Key of Solomon’ – a Jewish text Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (KJV) These texts lay a principle I think, that we should spend all our time knowing Jesus and walking in his powers, thinking of Him, and learning about Him. Yes I know Satan and his angels do such things, but one does not need to watch them. That is what the Catholics say – don’t know about it – you don’t need to know about it – after all we can all trust the opinion of the Catholic Church can’t we? Rome’s favorite guys says - 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Prove – test, examine, discern, try All things - Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever. Hold fast - to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively): - have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold.that which is good = Of uncertain affinity; properly beautiful, but chiefly (figuratively) good (literally or morally), that is, valuable or virtuous (for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic): - X better, fair, good (-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy. Reaffirmed by your own verse selection Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. How can we prove the whole – if we ignore ½ the theology?Why should we know about the opposition against us – other than to know your enemy Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Wherefore take up the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 withal taking up the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 with all prayer and supplication praying at all seasons in the Spirit, and watching thereunto in all perseverance and supplication for all the saints, 19 and on my behalf, that utterance may be given unto me in opening my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
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Sept 23, 2019 12:25:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:25:25 GMT -5
Your right Dave, I guess I am pretty well versed in Masonic stuff, I used a different label, for the same thing.
Walter Veith is on UTube video , and presents many things about Masons and their dealings of confusion. His messages are not to any particular denomination, but shows the world how secretive the Masons are. In fact the Masons are a business religion, in every major town around the world. They have a public side and a private side, and looking up the Internet you will not find much about their inner sanctuary of beliefs. Walter Veith has a copy of some book of Masonic inner dealings, and lectures from it occasionally, in fact all his quotes are from primary sources. He is perhaps the best person who presents Satanic dealings that I know of. And he does this without showing off dark things too much.
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Sept 23, 2019 14:01:40 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:01:40 GMT -5
Thank you Dave for kind words. Quote: "The Lord said, "James, I praise your understanding and your fear. If you continue to be distressed, do not be concerned for anything else except your redemption. This Gnostic writing is priceless. It reminds me of a prayer promise, but I doubt I could find the text? I am trying currently to experience training in prayer. The fasting and meditation and the prayer promises we need to sow. Formal praying is something I battle with, most of my prayers are list talking to Jesus in the silence of my conscience as I walk and think around my garden work, and he talks back through my conscience. Prayer is also about power for others, and this I lack. I hope to experience this kind of love for others, to witness to them through prayer, but I am still in training. Finding and having friends is hard. My church folk walkaway from me, I am too passionate and too serious. What? what's wrong with talking about Jesus? Isn't that what church assembly for? "do not be concerned for anything else except your redemption". Amen Can't find the matter, too much confusion in my prayer training. There are over 150 prayers of David converted to songs (psalms) and these I am studying in details. It's fun and exhausting. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1529.htm An index sort of helps, but its too much already. Mt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: Mt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked "poneros" and slothful "okneros" servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not ... Why are some Christians afraid to sow power promises of Jesus? My Pastor from over 40 years ago said, we don't get public miracles anymore so preaches against this idea of public powers from Jesus? My brother, a pastor, had done through Jesus power, three public miracles that He remembers, healing people quickly through oil of anointing. Wow? Can I ask my brother about salvation, and surrender and how Jesus comes to us, etc? Well he says little, he is too busy, and well we think differently, I am puzzled by his examples of Jesus miracles. So from memory training, I have learned the "Fear" is an interesting Hebrew word, we have a "trembling flow" what Jesus powers flow through us, its causes us respect, and humility. We are not to pray as empty storm. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1526.htmThat's what I see in most of our churches, but the challenge is for this prayer via Jesus, to start through me. Like that 5 yr old girl in 1945, in Nambia. manna falling down for a village. that's a public miracle of Jesus in modern times. That's redemption there, and nobody visits or investigates. Not even my own church authorities. The band played on and the music is forgotten. Here is one prayer training experience with "fear": Ro 3:20 Therefore by the "doings of the teachings" there shall no flesh be "straightened" in his sight: for by the "teachings" is the knowledge of "sin-offering". • 21 But now the "straightness of Elohiym" without the "teachings" is manifested, being witnessed by the "Teachings" and the Prophets; • 22 Even the "straightness of Elohiym" which is by "Support" in Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that "support": for there is no difference: • 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of "Elohiym"; • 24 Being "straightened" freely by his "Beauty" through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: • 25 Whom "Elohiym" hath set forth to be a "sacrifice-offering" through "support" in his blood, to declare his "Straightness" for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of "Elohiym"; • 26 To declare, I say, at this time his "straightness": that he might be "Straight", and the "straightener" of him which "supports" Jesus. • 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what "teachings"? of works? Nay: but by the "teachings" of "support". • 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is "straightened" by "support" without the "doings of the teachings". •29 Is he the "Elohiym" of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: •30 Seeing it is one "Elohiym", which shall "straighten" the circumcision by "support", and uncircumcision through "suppport". • 31 Do we then make void the "teachings" through "support"? "Elohiym" forbid: yea, we establish the "teachings". ("Ancient Hebrew" the rest is KJV) The word promises in the Scriptures are written in Hebrew but translated in English. So many seeking a pious religion follow the teachings using their own "baal master powers of human self", thus seek becoming "good". They are doing what Paul says "doing the teachings". Does this save you? No. The other way of looking at the word promises in the teachings is to support those the word promises point to and thus in prayer you ask Jesus, the Divine WORD who wrote those word promises to do as He promises to do. Thus Jesus' power flows through you as the teachings promise. This is an entirely different way of "following the teachings". Can the reader see the difference? Thus as Paul says, we establish the teachings. Why is it so hard to convince others of the passion of loving Jesus? Why do those around us, mock and abuse us? Just because we are a little touched? All my life I have suffered abuse, and I am especially sensitive to people and their mocking. When I was invited to a secret meeting concerning the James Stump movement, that the "Holy Spirit is just a force of the Father", I was shocked that I did not know Scripture at all, and that my English words in my Bible were not good enough to answer these pious stiff necks. So all this energy to battle with stick necks and their foolish thinking. Can you ever convince anybody of truth? I doubt it. First they will never find the time to study the matter themselves. So why bother creating a website for those who will never listen or read your experience in Jesus, and the words of His truth? Our Church is full of head strong ones who say "you're deep brother", work out your own salvation with "fear and trembling". All I hear is mocking. The spiritual man is mad. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1534.htmShalom my friend, we ponder confusion. Others never ponder confusion, they have no time to study the matter deeply. Too busy wasting time. Rat race is a work routine about wasting time. Trapped in the network. Stuck in the matrix. It's time to wake them up. Like my favourite U Tube video "The Signs of God's Existence - Documentary [Full Length]" put together by Muslims strangely. Yes U Tube videos are great.
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Sept 24, 2019 10:22:04 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 24, 2019 10:22:04 GMT -5
The fasting and meditation and the prayer promises we need to sow. Formal praying is something I battle with, most of my prayers are list talking to Jesus in the silence of my conscience as I walk and think around my garden work, and he talks back through my conscience. Prayer is also about power for others, and this I lack. I hope to experience this kind of love for others, to witness to them through prayer, but I am still in training. We are not to pray as empty storm. In my own walk – I have said this very thing! Yesterday – I tried really hard to be a Christian. I would pray my list – all the people I could think of – prayed for people I did not know because they were on a prayer list. Sometimes I would feel guilty – was that enough. My Great Uncle Cleo Crise was a Pastor of a Church in South Bend, Indiana. He would come to the house to save my father. (different generation long gone) – He was also a really big guy, and when, he would pray before our meal – the windows in the house would rattle. I used to be so impressed with men who would rattle it on in church – wow they are so good at it Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. 2 When therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward. Have you ever been in a church where everything was labeled – Gift of: XXX ? Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee. Mat 6:5 And when ye pray, ye shall not be as the hypocrites: for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward. Every Sun day – I want to ask in church – doesn’t anyone ever read this? Jesus says – DON’T DO IT! – so they do it 5 or 6 times every service Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee. The Dialogue of the Savior A conversation between Jesus and three of His disciples I don’t weight his text because it is missing so much text it is hard to get the total context Judas said, "You have told us this out of the mind of truth. When we pray, how should we pray?" The Lord said, "Pray in the place where there is no woman." Matthew said, "'Pray in the place where there is no woman,' he tells us, meaning 'Destroy the works of womanhood,' not because there is any other manner of birth, but because they will cease giving birth." Mary said, "They will never be obliterated." The Lord said, "Who knows that they will not dissolve and ... XXXXXXX [2 lines missing]?" XXXXXXX Judas said to Matthew, "The works of womanhood will dissolve [...] the governors will (Archon) [...]. Thus will we become prepared for them."
There is so much missing – but does this say to me (keeping in mind the Gnostic woman is the mother of Chaos / the mother of the Chief Archon / and the opposition) Also – Gospel of Thomas says – women become men, when they step up and take charge of their own salvation / relation with God IMO – Pray in a place with no woman = non-seekers, worldly distractions Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, Mat 6:7 And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Mat 6:8 Be not therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Every Sun day I feel uncomfortable in Christian church – especially when they take the time to ask for prayer request from the congregation and then someone prays for all them corporately. Instead – Jesus says 1- Praise God 2- Pray for god 3- Thanks for sustaining my ‘dust+mind’ so that my ‘Soul’ might continue on its mission of proclaiming the Creator to the world 4- And thank you Lord for remembering that I am trapped within ‘dust-mind’ and it’s an animal and I will continue to be an animal till I re-enter heaven – therefore, as I interact with the MORONS in my community, I will remember that they are helpless Souls from heaven trapped within their own ‘dust-mind’ animal 5- KJV – lead us not into temptation (I love this one) Mat 6:13 (ASV) And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil Mat 6:13 '(YLT) And mayest Thou not lead us to temptation, WHO IS DOING THE LEADING? – Who put Job to the test? My prayer life- I am praying right now that I know what to say – I spend a lot of time driving – through the Colorado Mountains – just yesterday we went up and over La Veta Pass twice. I don’t do the radio (mountains) and driving becomes almost hypnotic as I awe at God’s creation When I worked – that 1 hr dive each morning at sunrise was all prayer I use to play the church game – but if I am asked to stand a pray, I could abstain and be difficult I could speak up against the practice as disrespectful to Jesus Instead – I just tell them how blessed I am and ask that we take a moment in silence to remember how blessed each of us are. I would love to hear your views on “Praying in the Spirit”Finding and having friends is hard. My church folk walkaway from me, I am too passionate and too serious. What? what's wrong with talking about Jesus? Isn't that what church assembly for? Why is it so hard to convince others of the passion of loving Jesus? Why do those around us, mock and abuse us? Just because we are a little touched? All my life I have suffered abuse, and I am especially sensitive to people and their mocking. When I was invited to a secret meeting concerning the James Stump movement, that the "Holy Spirit is just a force of the Father", I was shocked that I did not know Scripture at all, and that my English words in my Bible were not good enough to answer these pious stiff necks. Let me tell you a story about myself - 1- Friends, especially male friends – I do care about fishing, hunting, cars, or sports – I have little in common with my neighbors. In the religious neighborhood there are plenty of pious stiff necks to go around. 2- I am also manic depressive – I admit it! I run in cycles and sometimes I am hot for the Lord. When I am having a verbal conversation about the Lord, I get excited – I get pumped. My good friends Richard, Dillon, and Jim all tell me to calm down. The few times that I did stand up front, I couldn’t shut up. If I were allowed - I would make as good Fire and Brimstone guy Letting my light shine – we are all told to let our Christian light shine The Evangelicals GLARE it directly into your eyes – everybody immediately turns away This is how I interact with my nephews – major football fans If they ask me to watch a game with them If I walk in quoting scripture – I am suddenly unwelcome Instead – I watch the game until someone drops the ball As my nephew whine and complain – I just say – Imagine how Jesus felt when Judas dropped the ball No doubt – who I am or what I stand for – now that they know that, they know they can come to me to hear of him
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Sept 24, 2019 13:39:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:39:18 GMT -5
Quote:" Instead – I watch the game until someone drops the ball As my nephew whine and complain – I just say – Imagine how Jesus felt when Judas dropped the ball I laughed when I read this, this is how I would be too. When the grandkids watch Lion King or DVD video, I am full of Masonic themes, these people are clever in winding themes in videos, both good and bad. Quote: "I would love to hear your views on “Praying in the Spirit” Don't understand. Praying powerfully for Jesus, is just as your uncle? My Great Uncle Cleo Crise was a Pastor of a Church in South Bend, Indiana. He would come to the house to save my father. (different generation long gone) – He was also a really big guy, and when, he would pray before our meal – the windows in the house would rattle. I used to be so impressed with men who would rattle it on in church – wow they are so good at it Test the spirits you have, by the fruit you bear. A spring does not produce both pure and salty water. I have few prayers recorded for public viewing. Me: "I have forgotten my diary book"; AJ: "Walk back and get it, there's time..." Me: [looking at my mobile phone time] "not enough time..." AJ: [silence] Me: "walks to wharf, waiting for ferry boat..." [after long time...a couple arrives, he starts fishing and leaves his wife to fish, while he fishes elsewhere...] AJ: "..talk to her.." Me: "not me Lord.." [ despondency ] AJ: "..be my witness..." Me: [ a man arrives and I talk to him....finally...after many excuses to fumble time..]"..Alright..." AJ: "..the servant who says He will go.. but doesn't.." Me: "..I see the boat is not coming..." [...finally I talk to her,.. we make light talk of timetables, and boats...] AJ: "..meekness is not just about weakness...its also about courage.." Me: "..I see.." "Courage" Learning to have the courage to witness, and talk when Jesus tells me to talk His words. "When Jesus talks, listening happens, but so one must be obedient". Obedience is a difficult thing to achieve, especially when we are weak and lack courage, but even more so when our sin of pride stands in the way. The ferry boat was late, running on a different time table today. Jesus was right, I had time to walk back and get my diary book, in fact 2 hours of time. So I wait for the next ferry boat, several hours ahead of time, with time to record another example of prayer, for you, the reader. In an effort to show you how prayer works, how Jesus through prayer expects obedience, and notice how fast prayer is answered. Prayer is Jesus talking to you. Often we see prayer as the proud sinner praying to his god . This is a contradiction. Most times the only person strong authority we are talking to , is ourselves. Prayer is mostly about Jesus talking back to you. So listen and wait for the still small voice. Shalom Jesus brought His servant, this communication the morning of Teusday April 26 2011, seven years ago now. Praying in the Spirit, would be the relationship of supporting Jesus so much, modern miracles flow via you for the redemption of others. But we must test the spirits which flow. In the end of time both Satan and the Holy Spirit will empower miracles in the last days. Sometimes I pray without asking Jesus in prayer first, can I say this? and so my words are not supporting Jesus, but supporting self, thus He does not empower my prayer. The biggest problem I have in the presence of others is to stop talking and do more listening. In silence I ask Jesus, what do you want me to say to them now? And wait for an answer in my mind. This rarely happens, as the Baal master powers of human self, take over, the tongue speaks my words and not the words of Jesus. Our prayers can be the same as this too. Prayer is more about listening than speaking. Waiting for Jesus to speak to you via the conscience via the Holy Spirit, its a community process. I have one example of a prayer written at age 16, and some poetry as a youth all those years ago, to see how much a babe progresses in the Lord. I sometimes wish I had recorded more. O well. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1568.htmShalom
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Sept 24, 2019 15:19:42 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 24, 2019 15:19:42 GMT -5
Sometimes I pray without asking Jesus in prayer first, can I say this? If you ask a Jew - they say our first mistake is - we do not pray to God, we pray to Jesus To which, I respond - not once did Jesus ever say - pray to me But to ask that our prayer be heard in Jesus' name Does mean the prayer always starts with - in Jesus' name? Dose this mean we end with - in Jesus' name? Or do we pray to the Creator - through the connection / relationship / of the HOLY SPIRIT provided by Jesus opening that door to the indwelling of the spirit
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Sept 26, 2019 13:35:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 13:35:25 GMT -5
I guess it is an idiom Dave. It boils down to the meaning of "faith" "amanuah" and its related words, such as "man" or "manna" and "aman" etc. When you support Divinity, it is a relational community concept. Which member specifically? Jesus, who supported his Father's words, via the Holy Spirit. And for us ? We support Jesus, who supports us, via the conscience of the Holy Spirit, who empowers Jesus via the Father. So a simple way to invoke this relational community support is to condense it down to Jesus. So when the voice that speaks to you via the conscience? Whom is speaking? Jesus, the Holy Spirit or the Father, or all three? It doesn't matter. Love is a relational combination of Being bringing you communication. So experience the yoking of divinity with matter. The words "aman" at a traditional prayer are words that you support Jesus/Father/ Holy Spirit, but if you words were only of human origin, did you support GOD at all? no. This kind of prayer is an empty storm. Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God as an empty storm; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name as an empty storm. Every Christian prayer is mostly an empty storm. We talk human words, rather than support God and his words that promise power. Our words promise nothing. spiritualsprings.org/ss-285.htm study of shav God promises showers, miracles blessings if we support His words in prayer, and God supports us back. Ps 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son (GRAIN) (br), lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (KJV) When you speak WORDS of Seeds sown with promises of power, they are constructs of GOD promising power as you speak them. Such words are divine and powerful. A seed need no help from you, it does what it does, You need only sow it in your mind and allow it to empower you. That's how support is. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm See study of faith. These are big themes, we have to get right. So I think we need to consider the meaning of amanuah "faith" correctly. And it's role in prayer too. Shalom
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Sept 27, 2019 0:45:39 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2019 0:45:39 GMT -5
Just finished watching a Walter Veith videoyoutu.be/w4A_FMq47q4At 2:15 - 2:48 he correctly sums up the division with Christendom Then he mis-represents Catholic doctrine He refers only to the issue of - Proportional Punishment - Catholic Purgatory For those who die in sin - but fails to mention Those that die in Christ Cataclysm of the Catholic Churchwww.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htmPART THREE - LIFE IN CHRIST SECTION ONE MAN'S VOCATION LIFE IN THE SPIRIT CHAPTER THREE GOD'S SALVATION: LAW AND GRACE His conclusion after misrepresenting the facts - Catholicism is not compatible with Protestantism This is separatism - one way-ism - I am righter than you piousness I am more about unification - look at how similar they are Jews have - proportional punishment Gnostic have Proportional Punishment Catholics have Proportional Punishment Protestant absolute-ism seems to be outside the mean Not saying he is a bad guy - I will watch more as time permits - always interested in alternative views - just more data - it either supports the mean or not
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Sept 27, 2019 1:26:47 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2019 1:26:47 GMT -5
youtu.be/iOuMIVinsmYOK – I disagree with this guy all over the place The Question – Why did God create Lucifer, if he knew he would be evil. Jews – who know the Hebrew best do not see satan in Isaiah 14 I don’t either – it is not a deal breaker Ezekiel 28 – is not about the Chief Archon – but Salkia, who volunteered to: Reign in Hell vrs serving in heaven – to control the chaos His answer – God didn’t make Lucifer to be evil, he became evil 3:52 – 4:28 This is not an answer to the question posed – Is he suggesting that God didn’t know – God is not omniscience Then he speaks of free will and correctly says without free will we would be robots – I agree So if we love God because we are robots – what is the value of that love But incorrectly says, Lucifer made a free will choice to “fall from grace” 1 – Angels do not have free will – Jesus said God’s will is done in heaven not anyone elses. What dose this guy think of God’s kingdom? God say do a thing and the angel reply – later, we will get around to it – no they say Yes Sir and jump 2- Archon have no free will – they know their fate – all they can do is prolong the Contest 3- Man has the free will to choose God or not – choose to remember god or not – choose to seek the kingdom or not This is exactly why the angels are jealous of man – this is why the Archon hate man – this creature of dust-mind can end up judging them in heaven. What is a more valuable love, robotic angelic love, or the love of man that chooses God over his own life here. Not saying he is wrong – I just don’t agree He said in the last video that Catholicism and Protestantism are not compatible – but uses two catholic doctrines to validate his views
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Sept 27, 2019 2:14:47 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2019 2:14:47 GMT -5
youtu.be/l-VrL3ZBb48What - At 3:55 he says the Tower of Babel was built - just in case God went back on his promise and flooded earth again boy - that's a new one Babylon and the Wine He makes excellent points Babylon is a system - a government - a method of administration Babylon has a false religion Then he makes the connection between the system being Western Christendom and The Pope is the Beast This was a common Bible study in the 70s - evil Pope Isn't this Christianity attacking itself from the inside? I no longer think this theory hold water for many reasons When Babylon is destroyed - it is seen by sailors in the red see (Italy) Babylon is alone in the desert - anywhere in Western Christendom? She is a whore that is in bed with false teachings Isalm - the wine is oil - and the city destroyed is Mecca
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Sept 27, 2019 20:28:55 GMT -5
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Quote by Dave: youtu.be/iOuMIVinsmY
OK – I disagree with this guy all over the place
Rob: "Glad you at least listened to him. I too don't agree with Walter on everything. His take on feasts is wrong. Would love to meet him face to face on this issue. But much everything else he says makes sense...
Quote: "1 – Angels do not have free will
There is a Hebrew word for "Angel" that is "cherub".
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together,.... 19 If ye be willing and obedient,
These words in KJV, not Hebrew. there is no Hebrew word for "reason" or "willing".
Isa 1:18, says "Let us walk together"...
In the NT though:-
Grk#:2307 / thel-ay-mah (noun): Will Freq:&64 Heb#:2656 חפץ / hhey-phets (noun): Delight—An object or action that one desires. Heb#:7522 רצון / ra-tson (noun): Self will—Used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulness. One's desire.
Jeff Benner links Grek 2307 "will" to perhaps "7522" meaning "self-will".
let's see:-
Ge 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill (ratsown) they digged down a wall.
Ex 28:38 And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted (ratsown) before the LORD.
OK maybe there is a Hebrew word for "ones decision", "cognitive mind to choose"
Le 1:3 ¶ If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will (ratsown) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
Yes the Olah is a free will offering, so Hebrew word "ratsown" is about our will.
There are only two Hebrew words related to this "will" theme:
7521 Desire "The Head travels. Behold the Person!" and 7522 Will "The Head travels secure over the Nations".
Consider this passage: main theme : Shaowl (HELL)
Isa 14:9 Hell (Shaowl ) from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
When Jesus comes to save the redeemed Shaowl is their to meet Him.
it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
Poetry pictures of death, grave and hell
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Poetry pictures of dead, also towla worm , a simile of Jesus.
Jesus went to Shaowl as a towla worm does. A poetry simile we should study in nature.
NOW sub theme 2. WHO is personified as shaowl, or in charge of shaowl?
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (heykel), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell (shaowl), to the sides of the pit.
In the passage about HELL we have towla worm and heykel.
Has to be Satan and Jesus. Jesus went to hell and came back, to save sinners. and in return Satan will also go to hell and never come back. He becomes non-existence.
Jeff Benner for 1966, one verse context "Behold the Person. Active Authority with Authority" meaning "star".
Related words "madness" and "shine" example 1984.
Why do I use Jeff's lexicon so much? Because it's the only lexicon that uses ancient Hebrew pictograph and shows words related by ancient Hebrew pictographs. Thus it's more true to the original Hebrew I feel.
Quote: Archon have no free will ... who or what is Archon? Satan?
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
cherub - with GOD, until iniquity was found in thee, created being.
angels are a created being.
Eze 10:15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. 16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. 17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.
Notice cherub associated with life, chay. Also lifted up and coverings of wings, is a simile of the Holy Spirit, who makes them fly.
Quote: "This is not an answer to the question posed – Is he suggesting that God didn’t know – God is not omniscience
If a being is perfect, and has free will, why did the cherub choose to sin?
Does God know all things? Can God know every sin you do before you do them?
Sin is relationship. If you walk together in relationship, why would you want to walk alone on your own, and d your own thing? Who owns relationship? Nobody does. Not you or GOD. Its the result when two are connected. Can you predict when a circuit of relationship is connected or not connected? If relationship is switched on, why would you want to switch relationship off? Pride switches off relationship and breaks relationship, making one bigger than the other, so you walk alone. This is opposite to GOD and his ways. Another way of thinking this is to ask the bird are you happy being a bird? How would the bird know any different. Like the frog in a well, his world is the well only, He does not know any different. Why explore a different relationship? What's wrong with the relationship you have?
If Archon or Satan?? has no free will, why didn't God destroy it immediately? What's the purpose of earth as a contest? Why have a war in heaven? War implies free will to fight or free will to live in peace.
Quote: What is a more valuable love, robotic angelic love ?
Angels cannot be robots... this is not love, but compel, or force.
Have a look at "ratsown" If God has "ratsown" so would angels, a created being.
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Who are the stars of heaven?
Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Who are the sons of GOD, and why does Satan claim to own earth?
Ge 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven,
Here again the "stars of heaven"
De 1:10 The LORD your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Here again the "stars of heaven"...why did God multiply us as His children?
De 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
This does NO suggest all are saved. As the stars that fell, human stars also fall, and God seeds new stars to replace the ones that will be lost.
However I agree that cherub and human nephesh are different creature kinds of creation. Not sure if cherub is associated with nephesh?
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
This is a big boast... above the stars of GOD... only Satan fits this boast.
Da 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Seems a star is a simile of a shining follower of GOD. Movie stars falsely boast this worship from humans.
Shalom
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Sept 28, 2019 2:24:47 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 28, 2019 2:24:47 GMT -5
Quote: "1 – Angels do not have free will There is a Hebrew word for "Angel" that is "cherub". Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together,.... 19 If ye be willing and obedient, These words in KJV, not Hebrew. there is no Hebrew word for "reason" or "willing". Isa 1:18, says "Let us walk together"...Not taking to angels Jeff Benner links Grek 2307 "will" to perhaps "7522" meaning "self-will".
Ge 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill (ratsown) they digged down a wall.
OK maybe there is a Hebrew word for "ones decision", "cognitive mind to choose"Do not mistake ‘Free Will’ with self-determination You can choose to murder, eat cake, go to college, or get married You can choose all this stuff – but it has nothing to do with Free Will Animals make self-determining choices all the time Theologically – can you choose to go to heaven on your own? or Skip hell if you don’t want to go? TOV or RA – this is our only free will choice – unless God intervenes Quote: Archon have no free will ... who or what is Archon? Satan?The Archon are created beings to be the opposition Islam calls them Jinn – Catholics call the Powers and Principalities Satan – is a verb – not a noun – the Accuser can be any elohiym God tasked to test Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
cherub - with GOD, until iniquity was found in thee, created being.
A volunteer was requested – and Salkia chose to rule over chaos rather than serve in heaven Quote: "This is not an answer to the question posed – Is he suggesting that God didn’t know – God is not omniscience
If a being is perfect, and has free will, why did the cherub choose to sin?The question was - – Why did God create Lucifer, if he knew he would be evil. You didn't answer the question either – you asked another question If Archon or Satan?? has no free will, why didn't God destroy it immediately? What's the purpose of earth as a contest? Why have a war in heaven? War implies free will to fight or free will to live in peace.Why didn't God destroy it immediately? - He allowed them to come into existence to test creation. The Hypostasis of the Archons all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes. But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.What’s the purpose of the Contest?Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not. Deu 13:3 …: for Jehovah your God proveth you, to know whether ye love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him. Authoritative Teaching [And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worlds that are in the heavens, those in which universal death exists, ... But return, my son, to your first father, God, and Wisdom, your Mother, from whom you came into being from the very first in order that you might fight against all of your enemies, the Powers of the Adversary.The Letter of Peter to Philip "And this (is the reason) that you will fight against the powers, because they do not have rest like you, since they do not wish that you be saved."
Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?"
Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. Be not afraid, I am with you forever, as I previously said to you when I was in the body." Then there came lightning and thunder from heaven, and what appeared to them in that place was taken up to heaven.Eph 6The Teachings of Silvanus Listen, my son, to my advice. Do not be arrogant in opposition to every good opinion, but take for yourself the side of the divinity of reason. Keep the holy commandments of Jesus Christ, and you will reign over every place on earth, and will be honored by the angels and archangels. Then you will acquire them as friends and fellow servants, and you will acquire places in heaven above. …
But before everything (else), know your birth. Know yourself, that is, from what substance you are, or from what race, or from what species. Understand that you have come into being from three races: from the earth, from the formed, and from the created. The body has come into being from the earth with an earthly substance, but the formed, for the sake of the soul, has come into being from the thought of the Divine. The created, however, is the mind, which has come into being in conformity with the image of God.The Apocryphon of James Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul."
But I answered and said to him, "Lord, we can obey you if you wish, for we have forsaken our fathers and our mothers and our villages, and followed you. Grant us, therefore, not to be tempted by the devil, the evil one." The Lord answered and said, "What is your merit if you do the will of the Father and it is not given to you from him as a gift while you are tempted by Satan? But if you are oppressed by Satan, and persecuted, and you do his (i.e., the Father's) will, I say that he will love you, and make you equal with me, and reckon you to have become beloved through his providence by your own choice.The Exegesis on the Soul And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation.Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Who are the sons of GOD, and why does Satan claim to own earth?bane elohiym – Gen 6:4 – the Archon that fathered the Nephilim Not fallen angels that are at war with God – but created being with a purpose – checking in with God along with the Overseer – who chose to reign in hell rather than serve in heaven- all getting their orders form God – Go – be the opposition – test creation Why a war in heaven?The Gospel of the Egyptians After five thousand years, the great light Eleleth spoke: "Let someone reign over the chaos and Hades." And there appeared a cloud whose name is hylic Sophia [...] She looked out on the parts of the chaos, her face being like [...] in her form [...] blood. And the great angel Gamaliel spoke to the great Gabriel, the minister of the great light Oroiael; he said, "Let an angel come forth, in order that he may reign over the chaos and Hades." The war is keeping chaos contained Before man – the Jinn / Archon had dominion over the earth Adam and Eve – Gen 3:15 - Gen 6 – demigod Nephilim – The Archon dominate the contest By the time of Noah – only is genetic line remained pure – the game was over too quickly – only 7 generations – (genetic mixing with animals also - explaining much mythology) The Contest was slowed down After the Flood – only 10% of the Archon remain – they become the evil spirits in the earth – and on the planets After the flood – some (at least 1) – survives and fathered the Repheim – the 7 tribes of Amorites When Saul was told to kill them all – it was a cleansing of a gene pool – man and beast Goliath had four brothers New Advent Catholic Encylopedia writing to the Colossians (1:16), he says: "In Him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominations, or principalities or powers." It is to be noted that he uses two of these names of the powers of darkness when (2:15) he talks of Christ as "despoiling the principalities and powers . . . triumphing over them in Himself".
Rev 12:4 stars come to earth before the war with Michael (Tribulation) Rev 12:9 Dragon (Chief Archon) Devil/Accuser (satan) and more angels are cast to earth Why? Rev 12:10 … for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Who are the stars of heaven?Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; :11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: Is Wormwood an angel? If words are fixed and have no Polysemy - perhaps when the dragon was cast to earth he cause a massive meteor storm (not my opinion – just making a point)
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Sept 28, 2019 17:23:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 17:23:14 GMT -5
Quote: Satan – is a verb – not a noun – the Accuser can be any elohiym God tasked to test
From Jeff Benner's lexicon
V) S-ThN) — Oppose:[df: NjV] [freq. 6] (vf: Paal) |kjv: adversary, resist| {str: 7853}
Nm) S-ThN) — Opponent: [df: NjV] [freq. 27] |kjv: satan, adversary, withstand| {str: 7854}
The Hebrew word "satan" comes in two forms, verb and noun, both must have similar meanings but differences in action.
Jeff uses "satan-verb form" "Oppose" and "satan-noun form" "Opponent"
This is a very good assessment into English.
This verse has both forms and a good example:
Zec 3:1 ¶ And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and "the Opponent" standing at his right hand to "oppose" him.
Who or what is the Opponent?
Nu 22:22 ¶ And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the "messenger" of the LORD stood in the way for an "opponent" against him.
This verse shows that GOD can send a messenger of the Father to oppose so called prophets and become an opponent against their blessings or cursing's
If you look at Bible hub online, they render the Hebrew for Satan as "hey-semech-tet-nun", so the "semech-tet-nun" is "Satan" the "hey" is a prefix, meaning "the person" in IMO, but the forum Hebrew scholars would say this make the Hebrew letters, NOT a proper Name.
Ge 9:8 ¶ And God spake unto Noah,
However if you look up this verse using HubBibleOnline, Noah also has a prefix, so their rule about proper names having no prefix is non-consistent.
SO I don't know why the KJV lists some Hebrew words "Opponent" as a Being named.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Opponent, Whence comest thou?
OK who or what is this opponent, who comes directly to YHWH? And can cause dysfunctional things to happen?
The context refers to another meaning of Opponent, ie an opponent who opposes YHWH directly. Hope this makes sense?
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Opponent, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
This opponent also influences salvation, and causes dysfunction. This opponent must influence humans to do less relationship with GOD, causing more dysfunction to flow, thus straining our Provider, who upholds function and dysfunction.
It is one thing to say GOD upholds function and dysfunction, and say GOD causes dysfunction or is the origin of dysfunction? No, this Opponent is the cause and origin of dysfunction.
The whole of Psalm 109 speaks of "opposes (plural)" and the "Opponent (singular)" attacking Jesus on the cross.
The whole of Zec 3 speaks of the Opponent at the right hand of YHWH attacking those YHWH wish to be saved.
So in conclusion the OT former rain does not identify who this Opponent is, except He is close to GOD and fights over salvation, the right of GOD to save sinners.
Now in the NT latter rains:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Here "devil" would have been "opponent". Now what term is "archangel" in Hebrew? I don't know?
Quote: "The Archon are created beings to be the opposition
archon seems to me to be a condensed way of saying archangel. Michael was a chief commander of angels, also known as Jesus, who comes in the power of the Father, to raise from the Opponent, those He wishes to raise.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
So when I read the Gnostic writings you placed there, I see "angels" as archon. Some angels or Beings like angels, are also chief angels, like archangels, as Jesus was, chief Being over the angels, just as Bright Star (lucifier) once was.
While you dislike Hebrew words having no polysemy, some do as a result of the corruption of language over time, but I agree with you "Aster" in Greek means "star" and a "Star" is a simile of a bright burning, as well as a simile of a Being burning brightly using God's power. Hebrew has broad meanings of words, but a single basic meaning, regardless of the context. For example the letter "mem" means "flow" and usually means the flow of water, but could also mean the flow of quantum, or the flow of God's power.
Quote:" Rev 12:4 stars come to earth before the war with Michael (Tribulation) Rev 12:9 Dragon (Chief Archon) Devil/Accuser (satan) and more angels are cast to earth
This is OK.
So the Opponent in the OT is a chief Archon, also called dragon and satan. correct. Michael is also a chief Archon (simile) also called Jesus and Saviour.
Both were Beings of Burning. Notice the contest is really between these two.
One got jealous of the other, one a creature the other divine.
Nu 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a "saraph", and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
KJV translates wrong, the "saraph" are Beings of Burning. The symbol represented two beings on a pole, not one. Both were present in the beginning. We look to one burning for saving us. The Holy Spirit knows which look you do and which Being you look for salvation power.
That's the contest there. The cross, or pole. Read Psalm 109.
Ps 109:4 For my responding-love they are my opposes:
Ps 109:6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
The chief Archon stood about the Cross, as did the other opposes (both human and fallen angels) taunting Jesus, to come down from the cross.
Ps 109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul. (KJV)
If Jesus died to save our nephesh from the Opponent who tries to condemn our nephesh to hell, and if archons are created beings, they must have nephesh like we humans do. And are subject to non-existence in hell, when they go there finally.
These beings must also have a free will to choose:
Mt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
before what time? the hell process of non-existence.
Mr 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Who are these opposes? They have to be fallen angels, like the Opponent is.
There are no other Hebrew Beings associated near GOD, except cherub, and a covering cherub fell into sin, hence by association, the cherub that sinned must be the Opponent. Do you have a different understanding? Or texts that link directly?
I cannot find a direct text linking Opponent to cherub. We ponder confusion. maybe God makes mysteries for a reason?
The Gospel of the Egyptians - who wrote this and have you done a test of it's purity? Egypt was a time of purity and darkness, celebrating life with GOD and life with Satan.
Have a look at "01 (Egypt 1) Discoveries from Ancient Civilizations - YouTube" by Francois Du Plessis. He shows Egypt spent time with true GOD and also with Satan. So this nation has both sides, but Satanic spirits won overall.
The Gospel Of Egypt was written perhaps during a "good" time, but I would like to test the literature.
Quote: "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known.
Archons is a contraction of the term "archangels" just as "yah" is a contraction of Yahweh, in languages people get tired of speaking properly and take short cuts. Just IMO of course. The text is no different to NT text:
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Again the term "satan" or "opponent" would be here in this NT verse.
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
I would love to know which Hebrew word was this "and his angels" ? The word "dragon" would have been "satan" or "opponent" but what would have been "aggelos" in Hebrew?
I can't find a decent Hebrew Online NT interlinear program on the Internet.
Thanks for showing me a different side to this theme, However I try to harmonise gnostic writings with OT torah first. I don't see anything off the track.
Shalom
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Sept 28, 2019 22:59:23 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 28, 2019 22:59:23 GMT -5
It is one thing to say GOD upholds function and dysfunction, and say GOD causes dysfunction or is the origin of dysfunction? No, this Opponent is the cause and origin of dysfunction.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace (TOV), and create evil (RA): I the LORD do all these things.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
principalities, or powers - Archon
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jews – One Creator who created everything Catholics – one Creator who created everything through Christ Gnostic – one Creator who created everything through Christ and the Holy Spirit
Again – Reformed Protestantism is an outlier – Christina mythology of - two creations and two creators God created everything except the RA? - Some another Creator created it – in a second creation
Who sent the Accuser onto Job? Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? God did
Archons is a contraction of the term "archangels" just as "yah" is a contraction of Yahweh, in languages people get tired of speaking properly and take short cuts. Just IMO of course. The text is no different to NT text:
Eph 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities (Archon), against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς, πρὸς τὰς ἐξουσίας, πρὸς τοὺς κοσμοκράτορας τοῦ σκότους τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου, πρὸς τὰ πνευματικὰ τῆς πονηρίας ἐν τοῖς ἐπουρανίοις.
ἀρχή - archē - (Feminine) Archon (masculine) From G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): - beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, authorities, power, principality, principle, rule.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;
1Th 4:16 ὅτι αὐτὸς ὁ Κύριος ἐν κελεύσματι, ἐν φωνῇ ἀρχαγγέλου καὶ ἐν σάλπιγγι Θεοῦ καταβήσεται ἀπ᾿ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐν Χριστῷ ἀναστήσονται πρῶτον,
ἀρχάγγελος – archaggelos - a chief angel: - archangel.
If Archon and archangel are the same – why does the NT use two different words?
Are you telling me that in Eph 6 Paul urges us to fight against Gods Archangels - because God's Archangels are actually 'fallen angels' working for the Dragon? -
So the Opponent in the OT is a chief Archon, also called dragon and satan. correct. Michael is also a chief Archon (simile) also called Jesus and Saviour.
No – The Chief Archon is the dragon – correct but any elohiym – that is in the role of accusing is the Accuser
Michael is an angel – good nature – is a Chief Angel
You like to use the incorrect term ‘fallen angel’ Would you call Michael a ‘fallen angel’?
Angels - masculine - created by God (through Christ) - good nature Archon - made by God (through the Holy Spirit) - bad / jealous nature
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Christians say God is the one and only Creator - but all things were created through Christ Christ is male - he is the image of the Creators male nature - angels are male (word gender) Holy Spirit is female - she is the image of the Creator female nature - archon are feminine (word gender)
Christ created creation or did God? - if you accept the trinity then Christ = God and it is a mute argument The Holy Spirit created the Chief Archon - if you accept the trinity then Holt Spirit = God and it is a mute argument
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