Ufology and Religion

[Dave]

Apr 13, 2020 12:46:43 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Had a look yesterday regarding our Australian constitution:

Rule 116 "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth"

I than looked up definition of religion, anything with acts and belief in a supernatural being or force.

Therefore Marxism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Evolution, Masonic Lodges are NOT religions, funny how they nicely remove things?

In examples they cite, Confucius, Buddha are religions because they allude to supernatural forces? go figure

Science listened to alien creatures from space, is that a supernatural being or natural being? How would you define a supernatural being in the first place?

For example Eloah and Shadday, are these beyond space, time and matter, therefore supernatural beings?

What is a supernatural being anyhow?
Governments play around with stupid words that don't stand up under scrutiny?

YES! – WORD GAMES to promote confusion and prevent understanding - to keep us from seeing the truth behind it all

UFO Conspiracy Theory people define it this way

Super-Natural – above nature – more than 3D in construct – not matter as we know it
From our 3D perspective – they appear as intra-dimensional beings
intra-dimensional beings – beings able to visit this 3D realm from the outside (1-7 other dimensions or heavens or realms of existence)
God – the Trinity – Christ – angels – Archon (capital A - bad-guy angels) – aliens from other dimensions (bane elohiym)

Natural – matter based – from this 3D realm – aliens from other planets – archon (small a) – Nephilim

Religion – based upon a supernatural source that imparts doctrine

Belief systems – things we believe that are not based upon a supernatural source
i.e. evolution, flat earth, did we actually land on the moon, communalism, femininism

Do they suppose aliens are also of matter, yet they are happy to g listen for their messages on radio telescopes? What would you say the archons are? Entirely of matter, or supernatural beings?

Two groups of archon
Archon (capital A) angelic based – bad guy angels – (spiritual satans (pl) – many types Jinn, demons, other gods – intra-dimensional beings – shades – devils – intra-dimensional visitors (UFO) – bane elohiym) – the evil spirits that manipulate this realm by possessing the 13 families that rule the world

archon (small a) – Nephilim demi-gods – ½ breed humanoids – UFO aliens of matter – Rephiem on earth mixed in our populations – satan’s seed – humans bread to be possessed and used (the 13 families)

The Gnostic difference between Ufology and Cosmology
While Ufology sees these aliens coming from all reaches of the universe

Gnostic literature says, these alien archon have been ejected from this planet to the seven visible heavenly bodies seen by man – Moon, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, and (Nibiru?)

The difference is to scale
Ufology sees earth as a full participant in the cosmos – so the whole cosmos is a participant on earth
While a Gnostic can see the human experience limited to this solar system – allowing – God the Glory to be known by many in many worlds beyond our purview.
1- if it is only about man – then there sure is a lot of wasted cosmos
2- If the scale of God bigger than we can imagine – then the words of Edgar Casey about Jesus Christ become more meaningful

When asked about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ he said
‘As you so him leave – so will you also see him return – and what He has done for our world, He has done for many worlds.’

Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said <'amar>, Ye are gods <'elohiym>; and all of you are children <ben> of the most High <'elyown>.

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Therefore man is considered a supernatural being, according to Scripture.

YES! – We have just forgotten this fact
We are eternal spirit – that pre-existed out mortal birth – after our mortal conception we are bound / joined / carried around by our mortal animal bodies – once that mortal animal body dies – we return to God and His realm

We are intra-dimensional visitors into 3D reality and scripture says our maximum visitation = 120 years

What about our Saviour, YHWH Yashuah Messiah, he is fully human as well as fully supernatural as a being, so under what definition does this apply?

Personally I am saved by a entirely natural human being, who just happens to be also entirely supernatural too.

I would say – I am saved by a supernatural (God Himself – except no man can see God – we can only see His Image = Christ) – who came as ‘a entirely natural human being’ (God in carnate) and died a mortal death – just as we all shall – but returned to prove that He is more than just natural, but supernatural

After His resurrection – He was no longer fully human because he could move/traverse inter-dimensionally

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

We will be like Him – we will change – because He is more than fully human (but was once)

? I suppose North American Indians worship the dead spirits, where is a supernatural force in that?

Dead Spirits? – You mean Spirits of the dead – which is 100% entirely Jewish

Seeking guidance from you mortally dead ancestors 1 Samuel 28 Saul asks advice from Samuel’s Ghost

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Nice reply Dave, many things to think about.

I liked the way you speak of GOD being incarnate into humanity, making GOD supernatural, above humanity, makes sense.

Could all this arise because we do not understand how matter is, we assume matter is like evolution, it just arose from itself naturally.

What if matter was created by GOD, than the supernatural just refers to a creator of matter?

Problem is Australian Government does not define term supernatural.

It does suggest we follow a "higher being"? Well a Creator is higher than a Creature. But how is that supernatural? The term makes no sense.

If I program a computer game, people love playing, and I come with my cheat commands, does this make me supernatural because I can do miracles in my computer game? So I am above my game, while the people who play my game are just players or creatures of habit.

If a person is silly enough to opt out of my game, does this make him an atheist? If you define computer games as one level of living and the creator of the games as another level of living, why do we suppose there is a term "supernatural"? I live under GOD, so his Creative power flows through me daily, as He did once to create this computer game.
This is a salvation aspect, live under Master computer designer and you receive daily cheat command every day, so you do miracles in the eyes of people who refuse to accept a supernatural force even exists.
So what happens if another computer player offers you a different supernatural experience, easier to cheat by, and millions accept this because it is easier to accept and follow? Does this make this opponent a supernatural force as well? One that opposes the program Creator in the first place? And suppose this other supernatural force imposes a mandatory dictate upon you, so you have to follow his computer cheat commands, rather than the Creator's instead, what do you do now?

The Australian Government needs to ask, can mankind become a supernatural force? that opposes the Creator, who is also supernatural?

If we are matter, made of matter, than imposing upon our thoughts a mandatory vaccine, makes us no longer thinking agents of freedom, but matter machines responding to a higher level of power, a man-made supernatural force, that is about matter.

Matter is just evolutionary computer playing of life as a game, as most people assume. SO if another system imposes a higher force over your evolutionary matter existence, than that force is a higher power, and therefore under Australian definition, supernatural as a force. Hence a religion. And this violates the constitution.

Shalom

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Just wondering, if a Government mandates you to do something, isn't this a "higher power" by definition an act over the natural will of the mind to choose what it likes, therefore a supernatural force on my will?

"Rule 116 "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance,"

Yet by imposing this supernatural force over my natural will, makes the Government mandate a religious act.