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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 13:36:52 GMT -5
Rob: "When I spoke to fluent Jews in Jeff's forum, they shut down the NT as torah rapidly.
Dave: "You were out of line at AHR – it is a forum for discussing Ancient Hebrew Language – you only discuss theology – wrong forum – one of the reason it was closed (it got off topic)
Really? Only about language?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Maybe this verse is wrong... All Scripture it says is about theology.... so people who remain dumb with Hebrew as a language are promoting theology...
Dave: "Making assumptions again – Angels do not have Free Will – you make an imaginary hypothesis
Rob: " Oh, so when angels do war, this is an imaginary process?
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
It doesn't say "Testing in heaven" it says "war in heaven" "his angels were cast out with him."
Dave:" God didn’t make predators until when? After Eve ate of the fruit? Where in your Catholic OT does it say this? Predators didn’t eat until Eve ate of the fruit? Would all the predators have died out as a result of Eve obeying?
Rob:" The lion can be a vegetarian... you didn't know this? Australia zoo fed lions during war times when meat was rare
All dogs in New Guinea are vegetarian to this day...
Male mossies are vegetarian to this day...
If Eve and Adam didn't sin, all animals would have remained vegetarians. The female mossie only seeks blood because flower nectar today lacks nutrients.
The lion eats animals because vegetarian food is scarce... when RA developed more over time, animals changed as the change was required...no second Creator is needed.
Dave:" You have two creator gods – if God didn’t make predators then your satan must have
Rob" No Jesus says weeds came from an enemy, so perhaps Satan may have done some things, but it is not necessary... as a world of TOV becomes flooded with RA, the creation changed... in the Christian view before Darwin came along, it was called Natural Selection... small changes is programmed in the DNA of creation. Genes switched on and genes switched off. Already built into the DNA.
Dave: "I am using Robert logic - you sure give your creator satan god a lot of creating power
Rob: "No need to mock...Scripture says GOD engineers RA, Satan doesn't even build cities for his own...he is a destroyer...hence RA, not a builder, and certainly not a Creator...
Dave:" If angels are beautiful beings of light – how did they change into demons? Did they change forms? Or are your Christians demons – beautify beings?
Rob: Where did Adam's and Eve's original form come from? "beautiful beings of light" Light if you look is a clothing or covering by the Holy Spirit. When mankind sinned the Holy Spirit shrank around them, still a force for the breath of life, yes barely...we live on borrowed time, hence we became naked...
Ps 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment?: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind (Holy Spirit):
So if angels also sin:
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And making a war in heaven, has to be sin??
Than these angels with "beautiful beings of light" would also become dark, ugly and no longer as they once was.
Dave:" Dillon is correct – elohiym is a plural of all the pleroma – all the heavenly beings good and bad- You are Mr Hebrew expert – more expert than globally recognized scholars –
Rob: "I am no expert, isn't it easy to just follow Scripture, both OT and NT sources, every line upon line...not midrash, not commentaries, not Kabbalah, but Scripture itself...surely Scripture has to make sense by itself?
Dave:" tell me what Isa 34:14 means to you - why don't you answer - you never answer these questions
Isa 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
No idea... Please place all the other lines, upon lines, with this theme you present me.
Dave:"you never answer these questions
Rob: "I might, but too many posts, the Posts do not allow Posts within Posts. Make your Posts one at a time...
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Post by Dave on Nov 10, 2019 16:09:40 GMT -5
Dinosaurs were all vegaterian?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Isaih 34:14 - לִילִית
or - Luke 2 take your pick
Either answer will take you out of your one book
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:11:09 GMT -5
Show me your intent
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2019 8:31:50 GMT -5
My intent is to show you the falicy of your study method
The word Lillith is in the Catholic OT only once - yet, she is a major part of Jewish Kabbalah Use your word study method to tell me as much as you can about Lillith
Lillith is of special interest to me becaue she is 100% Gnostic
Luke and Mathew do not agree - yet both are 100% inspired (maybe) explain this to me You make the point - your method of study is ordained by scripture
Use your method to address either one of these passages
Luke is of interest to me because it is 100% in error - yet it is NT Canon held in the highest regard This is 100% evidence of the Roman edit
Both of these topics ended my church going
The most common christian response to Isa 34:14 is (Skip this verse - pay it no attention) I love Chuck Missler - he has a video about the true date of Jesus' birth - in his video he discusses Mathew and about 20 non-scriptural references to come up with 2BC - not once did he mention anything of Luke - why not (because it does not fit)
My Intent - to demonstrate the limitation of your study method (by sticking only to the Roman edit - you end you sounding Roman My intent - to demonstrate that although the agl wasinspired when written - it became corrupt along the translation way (Bastard text- slipped into the agl - designd to cause confusion) Prove to me that I am wrong about the Gospel of Luhe (as it deals with the birth of Jesus)
My intent - not everything is within the Catholic edit = both edited out in the case of Lillith and edited in as in Luke 2:2 and John 6:4
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 12:31:35 GMT -5
Lu 2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. I don't see Lillith as a Greek word? Not sure what your presenting Dave? My intent - to demonstrate that although the agl was inspired when written - it became corrupt along the translation way Translation issues and this fuzzy text as I call them are common. It's possible the Greek translation was read poorly by the scribe translating from Hebrew to Greek too. For example Mt 5:3 ¶ Blessed are the poor in spirit: The word "poor" here is from reading the Hebrew wrong.... Jeff Benner notes these problems too. It should read: Mt 5:3 ¶ Blessed are the humble in spirit: So please continue with your presentation.... I am all ears...
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2019 13:35:20 GMT -5
I don't see Lillith as a Greek word? It isn't - It is Hebrew Tanak - Isaiah 34:14 - לִילִית Using you method of studying the Tanak - explain this passage to me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 1:49:02 GMT -5
Thanks Dave liyliyth used only once in Isaiah 34:14 translated as owl, in the KJV. Jeff Benner has this word meaning according to pictographs as "The authority active, the authority active, towards an important mark" The word is related to "night", "The authority active authority". Also related to "howl" and "howling" , "The active authority authority". Ge 1:5 And God called ... the darkness "choshek" he called Night "layil". Why does GOD call "choshek" as "layil". A word related to our word under study? Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning "yalal"! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Another related word to "liyliyth" is "yalal"! NOT translated in this verse. Well that's about it for me. Very difficult to study Hebrew words, if there are no line upon lines to compare different contexts. You will have to explain the importance of "liyliyth" to me...
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 3:48:41 GMT -5
Wow - cool study - I will keep this in my files forevery as a reference document
NICE WORK
Lillith - Female 'authority' of the darkness / night
If you are interested I can share a 9min video that discussws Lillith In the Jewish Kabbalah - she is called the Queen of Heaven - even God's wife Jewish God has a duality of nature - male / female Lillith is the personification of the negative-fememine nature of God While Shekehina is the positive-female nature of God Lillith is the serpent in the garden that decieved Eve (female to female) After this - Adam and Eve seperated for 130 years and Lillith seduced Adam into fathering the Lului (sp?) which are the evil spirts and demons / Shedim - Islam calls them Jnn - the Japanese call the Shades
But then they always say - this happened spiritually The Jews live a duality of choice - yester tov or yester hara / mitzvah or sin
Gnostics - acording to Peter, James, and John all say the HS is the womb of all creation (female) Gnostics also see the duality of choice as tov and ra - function / dysfuntion - Negentropy and entropy Christ being the extreme male representative of TOV and the extreme of the feminine = RA From the femine the Chief Archon was born - who fathered / cloned the archon under him/her Gnostics say - this all happened in the gap
IMO - when I think of the Jewish Lillith story - I can not help shift into my science mode Adam is a play on words - Adam = Atom = corporeal reality / matter / 3D reality God created all the 'atoms' then they all met entropy
You asked to see the archon in the Catholic OT - there they are!
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 7:55:56 GMT -5
Bear with me my friend – I am not sure how to say what I want to express – but I want to make several points
Ponit #1
Lillith is the Jewish ‘personification’ of (Gnostic term) the chaos in Hades Jewish Kabbalah is full of it and her Lillith is in the Dead Sea Scrolls – as the oppose and the opposition (both)
In Gnostic texts (from the Nag Hammadi found in 1945 written by the same authors as the agl) Lillith = the Chief Archon herself (gender – female) – or one of her generals archons
Lillith is often times an ‘other god’ of the Canaanite religions – She is a reality for the 99% (ahl non-Jews) She is also a reality for the 1% (ahl Jews) (Jews shorter to write than Israelite – especially when you can’t spell)
The Reality of the Archon is 100% Ancient Jewish and Canaanite – it is not something new Just rediscovered in 1945 Nag Hammadi Archon and Dead Sea War Scroll 1947
Point #2
The Gnostic Contest of the ahl = the 1% (Israel) vrs the 99% (everyone else – first the Nature, then Egypt, then the Amorites – later the Hittites – Romans – all with ‘other gods’ To a Gnostic these ‘other gods’ = power hungry archon – pseudo gods – bane elohiym
Point #3 The Gnostic Contest of the agl = two levels – Jew and Christian 1- 632AD Mohammed gathered all the ‘other gods’ into one Kabbal and declared that Allah was the ruler supreme over all of them – get that – these ‘other gods’ didn’t go away – they have just been unified under one supreme leader named Allah
2- the 1% (Israel) vrs the 99% (everyone else – Rome – Ottoman Empire – Germany) Today – Israel is surrounded by the same nations, with the same ‘other gods’ under Allah / Islam
3- the 1% (Christian) Today - also finds themselves in the same struggle – with Islam
Point #4 - Why does a Gnostic see Allah and his gang of ‘other gods’ as the Archon?
The Nag Hammadi Library - On the Origin of the World (interesting – weighted?) All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples.
The Nag Hammadi Library - The (First) Apocalypse of James (weighted) James said, "Rabbi, behold then, I have received their number. There are seventy-two measures!" The Lord said, "These are the seventy-two heavens, which are their subordinates. These are the powers of all their might; and they were established by them; and these are they who were distributed everywhere, existing under the authority of the twelve archons. The inferior power among them brought forth for itself angels and unnumbered hosts.
The Nag Hammadi Library - Eugnostos the Blessed (Interesting – no weight – nothing new) Then the twelve powers, whom I have just discussed, consented with each other. <Six> males (and) females (each) were revealed, so that there are seventy-two powers.
Why does 72 and the Archon matter - Islam
Sunan Ibn Majah Volume 5, Book 37, Hadith 4337—“Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the female dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.”
At-Tirmidhi, vol. 2, page 138—The Prophet Muhammad said "Every man who enters paradise shall be given 72 (seventy-two) Houris; no matter at what age he had died,
Houris = English whores
Point #5 - Gnostic Archon = Islamic Jinn - Suran 72 (get that- 72) Chapter / section 72 is 100% all about the Jinn
Point #6 - Both Gnostic archon and Islamic Jinn - are alien and responsible for all UFO activity as a deception They live - on the earth, in the earth, in the air, and on the seven visible planets (Gnostic) Modern science says - they are inter-dimensional visitations associated with religeous groups and cults
My scripture is alive and well and in my face - The Torah / Gospel is alive and we are living it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 13:33:49 GMT -5
Wow - cool study - I will keep this in my files forevery as a reference document
NICE WORK
Lillith - Female 'authority' of the darkness / night
If you are interested I can share a 9min video that discussws Lillith In the Jewish Kabbalah - she is called the Queen of Heaven - even God's wife Jewish God has a duality of nature - male / female Lillith is the personification of the negative-fememine nature of God While Shekehina is the positive-female nature of God Lillith is the serpent in the garden that decieved Eve (female to female) After this - Adam and Eve seperated for 130 years and Lillith seduced Adam into fathering the Lului (sp?) which are the evil spirts and demons / Shedim - Islam calls them Jnn - the Japanese call the Shades
Your views my friend are not based on Hebrew Scripture... when Moses wrote the first five books, it began a tanak showing us GOD. He became the first prophet who wrote down the Hebrew words. Before Moses, the Hebrew was spoken. It is from Hebrew written down by only Moses we begin the true messages of GOD. Than other torah as a witness can be used ONLY and ONLY IF these torah also agree to Moses five books of Hebrew.
Would a Jew agree with this concept? Would you? I hope so... As far as I am aware, I have a KJV Bible that has nearly close enough those Hebrew words Moses wrote.
Now as for other books which didn't make it into the Witness criteria, perhaps the holy men in those days didn't see the overall book worthy of witnessing to the torah.
Isa 8:12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. 13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
A conspiracy is a Hebrew word, its here. But we are not to fear people bringing in strange things...sure the enemy comes...but it says fear GOD, let GOD be your dread.
Isa 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.
The stone of stumbling is Jesus, whom we all should fall unto and be broken. He is the chief corner stone of all our words.
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
This word "testimony" is used three times, once in Ruth, to show witness to a friend purchasing a person as a family responsibility. What a kinsman redeemer does.
So the other OT torah and NT torah plus any other letters, Gnostic or whatever, all have to witness to the first 5 books of Moses.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Is this principle found in Moses writings?
De 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Inside the ark was the royal torah - the 10 directions of living from the Father (written by the finger of GOD) Outside the ark was the Mosaic torah - (the 5 books of Moses, written by Moses finger as directed by GOD) It is a witness.
I thought Jews serve one singular numerical G_D? Lillith a Queen of Heaven, the wife of the Father, the simile of darkness?
Interesting, but the Genesis account does not say this... what Hebrew does do, it create mysteries in the Hebrew for a reason... so we ever ponder GOD, not ponder the confusion.
Ps 131:1 .. neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
It's OK to leave mysteries alone...why must we know all things, and strain a gnat from a camel?
Knowledge is not the answer to living. "Yada" does not mean knowledge only. It means "intimacy" the knowledge in a relationship. Not know about, but know the Person.
Knowing Jesus personally is more important, than anything else.
You are suggesting The Holy Spirit, also known as Lillith, helped create sexually Archon species to test the RA naturally in our world?
I don't see GOD as both TOV and RA, or as Jews say loving TOV but disdaining RA. It's not that either.
If you look up the word for darkness "choshek", its a place of choice for relationship.
I have does this study, showing this to you once before...
I see GOD as only always full of TOV. Never RA. I would suggest we both study what "choshek", is and what is means. I form light, but create "choshek" ? Why the difference? Because it's a relationship term, not a thing. As you say "Lillith" a Being... on the right direction?? Maybe we need to investigate where "choshek" came from and who fathers "choshek"?
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
When we come across stuff to hard to understand, we humans write commentaries. Scripture says to be beware of this. Use Scripture only, not the traditions of men.
I find my friend you are using the precept of men and their commentaries too much, as it has taken you away from the Hebrew scriptures...
Why does Jesus a Jew have to translate to Jews or Greeks, who can't read their Hebrew?
Lu 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Something wrong with the way Jews read Hebrew obviously, otherwise why did Jesus, a Jew have to translate the Hebrew for them?
The whole crux of our pathway together is :
Can Almighty GOD create a universe without RA in it? You say no. I say yes.
The rest of our theology depends upon this very beginning.
I form the light but create "choshek"? Maybe we should both study from the Hebrew, what "choshek" is? It's not a thing...it's not matter... it's a Person, its something based on relationship to GOD... its a secret place, yes near GOD, but revealed to us, if we go looking into the torah OT and NT only.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 15:54:25 GMT -5
Lillith - Female 'authority' of the darkness / night
Your views my friend are not based on Hebrew Scripture... Not my views - Jewsih views Lillith is 100% Jewish - again you claim they do not know their own language, culture, or scripture (Which is much broader than the Catholic OT) You are so afraid of vocabulary – God the Great White Father – the Maker – Jesus is the Saviour – the Son of God – the Son of man – the Christ – the Christian Church is the Bride of Christ 9are only women saved?) – stupid vocabulary just to give you something to fell threatened with God can – and promises to do so – but we are not there yet – we are still trapped here in the corporeal contest
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 13:33:09 GMT -5
Are you saying Jews pretend to follow their monotheism, but really they follow in secret a great Father, and a great wife, Lillith? Is this not polytheism? Wow Gordon emailed me back, your welcome to your polytheism . Jews serve a single numerical one GOD, called YHWH. Can you prove they serve ;a great wife, Lillith; publically? Dave: "God can – and promises to do so – but we are not there yet – we are still trapped here in the corporeal contest Arhh, a deal breaker... so if GOD promises in the future a universe wthout RA, why did GOD create a universe for man with RA and TOV? We both need to investigate "chosek" this darkness thing. To be fair to you, having not studied this before... I am puzzled why "day and night" comes to our world at all? It shouldn't. It should be all TOV, no "choshek" at all? In the new world of all TOV, there is no "choshek", no night anymore. Maybe less light for rest, but not "choshek" or night. Why? because "choshek" is ended. So if GOD created "choshek" on the day 1 to 6, this implies RA of sorts was already built in to our world? before Adam sinned, making more RA flood our world? Not sure, but I am being fair in the study with you... It suggests to me that "choshek" is something we need to investigate together... it also suggests to me that sinning or RA already happened in some other beings for GOD to create a kingdom for "choshek" to exist. Jews don't consider sinning before creation, whereas I do, so does Scripture if you look. I think, that perhaps a partial world of Tov and RA existed in our creation, for a reason,, and when Adam sinned, more RA came in. This answers your question, why two creators, it implies one creator, had dual purpose in mind... if Adam did not sin, the limited RA would exist...for a long time, or did GOD foreknew Satan would trip Adam up? If you study "choshek" you see its based on relationships, faith and beings, hence I suspect "choshek" or RA, existed because some beings have already sinned or done RA long before man existed...
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2019 1:50:21 GMT -5
Who said that all Jews worship Lillith for anything
Why isn't Christianity a poly-theism?
You tell me who is the Queen of Heaven
You tell me who the Shekhinah is
Does it bother you that the Jews also believe in the Archon / Shedim / is it that upsetting to you?
Or maybe you should teach me a few thing about your perfect Catholic Canon Prove to me that Luke 2:1-5 is inspired, historically correct, and is in harmony with Mathew Of ya - you avoid this - but continue to attack the Jewish kabbalh (yet you know it - NOT)
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2019 2:33:18 GMT -5
You are suggesting The Holy Spirit, also known as Lillith, helped create sexually Archon species to test the RA naturally in our world? Who said Lillith is the HS – Lillith created the Lilu with Adam – this is the Jewish legend Gnostics say – The Chief Archon was made by the HS – it then made the other archon The archon do not test RA – they are a by-product just like RA The Archon are here to keep you and I from realizing who we are Prove this – Jesus was a translator? Prove the agl (ancient GREEK language) was written in Hebrew – even you gut Don Patten said it was Greek No one agrees that the agl was Hebrew – where is your proof - you invent your own confusion Why would Jesus preach a message to the whole world that only 1% could understand? Agree – Christmas – Easter – Sun day – satan is a creator god – angels morphed into ugly demons Oh ya – you do not believe in the demons and principalities - because they are Lilu (you say are mythicial) and they are Archon (and you say they don't exist) I asked you weeks ago about the Shedim - no reply - is that because that don't exist?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 4:44:38 GMT -5
Not sure I follow... Lillith is the Father's wife? Who is Lillith than?
Who is the Holy Spirit then? Both are feminine?
Who is Lilu?
The Chief Archon was made by the HS, a by product of Creation?
Please explain how a trinity has two masculine Beings Father and Son and two Feminine Beings, Holy Spirit and Lillith? Who is the Shadday?
I asked you weeks ago about the Shedim - no reply - is that because that don't exist?
No idea, don't know the term. Please explain?
Shalom
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