Greetings Dave,
Do you have some links, or logically presented evidence, or a science study of your findings, because I cannot follow you. You make no logical presentation, and your comments are too brief, nor can anybody follow them.
I remember reading your accounts of the flood, with expanding earth theory,
it was interesting to read.
So Dave, this is the kind of studies, science based using logical steps, I am used to.
So to help you out also, I will try to find some info on your topic, but it's going to take many dozens of hours of study? And all for what? Is this really a salvation issue?
D"
No need to know? I have always said you are not a true student
You don’t care to know because all the evidence disagrees with your precious Ellen White and your SDA doctrineR" This is not true. Again you like to be unkind. I would rather study amanuah with you.
So
Pastor Fred, seems to suggest the Feast of Trumpets was when Jesus was born, do you have an reliable sources of Jewish time for the Feast of Trumpets, with say full moon times for the years 4BC and for years after that? We know Zeachariah was selected as priest for a certain temple time, and Liz was 6th month pregnant.
I remember in Miller's time Jewish times differ among Jews. Hence the 1844 thing was based on Kenite Jewish time, if I remember. So even Jews differ on their sacred times.
www.cbcg.org/the-appointed-times-of-jesus-messiah/chapter-one-the-appointed-birth-of-the-messiah.htmlI am going to spend lots of time with Pastor Fred, I suggest you do the same. He is NOT SDA, and very different to anything I know. He is a Sabbath keeper, so has some things close to both of us. His spirit idea is more Jewish than my idea. OK
I quote some of his study here
This scriptural record offers conclusive evidence that
the birth of Jesus Christ occurred a short time before the death of Herod the Great. Through the writings of Josephus, a noted Jewish historian, we can determine precisely when Herod reigned and when he died. Josephus reveals the specific year that Herod was crowned king at Rome: “And thus did this man receive the kingdom, having obtained it on the hundred and eighty-fourth Olympiad, when Caius Domitius Calvinus was consul the second time and Caius Asinius Pollio [the first time]” (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, 14:14:5).
Josephus’ detailed account of Herod’s death enables us to further pinpoint the time of the year. In his account, Josephus records that
Herod died after an eclipse of the moon, but before Passover. The lunar eclipses that occurred during this period of history have been calculated in the 1971 book Solar and Lunar Eclipses of the Ancient Near East by M. Kudler and E. Mickler. Here is a listing of the lunar eclipses:
7 BC - No eclipses
6 BC - No eclipses
5 BC - Total eclipse, March 23, 8:30 PM
5 BC - Total eclipse, September 15, 10:30 PM
4 BC - Partial eclipse, March 13, 2:20 AM
3 BC - No eclipses
2 BC - No eclipse
The second total eclipse of the moon during this period took place on 15 September, 5 BC, which was a significant day by scriptural reckoning. According to the CHC, September 15 was the 14th of Tishri (the seventh month). The moon was totally eclipsed at 10:30 PM that night, which was the beginning of the 15th of Tishri, the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Josephus’ account of this period of Jewish history includes a number of events which point to this eclipse as the one that occurred shortly before the death of Herod. In recounting the final months of Herod’s reign, Josephus gives us an accurate time frame for establishing the date of Jesus’ birth
Thus, Herod’s death places Christ’s birth in the year 5 BC.
The Gospel of Luke provides additional evidence that enables us to know the specific season of the year in which Christ was born
The taxation and census decree by Caesar Augustus was carried out according to the Jewish custom which required that such taxes be collected after the fall harvest (See Unger’s Bible Dictionary, Chronology, New Testament, pp. 199-200). Luke’s record of this taxation reveals that the birth of Jesus took place during the autumn. When we combine Luke’s record with Matthew’s account of Herod’s death, it is evident that Jesus was born in the fall of 5 BC.
Luke gives us additional evidence that Jesus was born during the fall festival season by recording that there were no guest rooms available at the inn when Joseph and Mary arrived in Bethlehem. The scarcity of room was due not only to the taxation
but also to the festival days that followed the fall harvest. Many thousands of people were already in the Jerusalem area to observe the fall festival season. Bethlehem was extremely crowded because of its proximity to Jerusalem. Since there was no room at the inn, Joseph and Mary were forced to lodge in a barn. Jesus was born there and was laid in a manger.
In addition, Luke makes it clear that Jesus was not born in the winter by recording that shepherds were tending their flocks in the fields that night (Luke 2:8). The shepherds in that region of Palestine always brought their flocks out of the fields before the onset of winter. The flocks were never left to graze in the pastures during the winter months because the cold weather prevented the grass from growing. There is much discussion in Bible commentaries for those who desire to study these points further.
We know that the angel Gabriel delivered the promise of John’s birth while Zacharias was serving in his priestly course in the Temple. The Gospel of Luke reveals that John was born six months before Jesus (Luke 1:35-36). Our examination of both the scriptural and historical records has established that Jesus was born in the fall of 5 BC. Accordingly, John the Baptist was born in the spring of 5 BC and was conceived nine months earlier in the summer of 6 BC. Knowing the year that John was conceived enables us to determine the exact period of time that Zacharias was serving in the Temple.
In the year 6 BC, the first day of the first month (the month of Nisan according to the CHC) was a weekly Sabbath. According to calculations synchronizing the CHC and the Julian Calendar, this Sabbath was March 20. Projecting forward, the assignments course by course, or week by week, were: Course 1, the first week; Course 2, the second week; all courses for the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread, the third week; Course 3, the fourth week; Course 4, the fifth week; Course 5, the sixth week; Course 6, the seventh week; Course 7, the eighth week; Course 8, the ninth week; and all courses the tenth week, which was the week of Pentecost.
Because Zacharias was of the course of Abijah,
the eighth course, he was assigned the ninth and tenth weeks from the beginning of the year
Luke gives additional details that indicate Mary was impregnated in the last two weeks of Elizabeth’s sixth month. Mary was told by the angel Gabriel that Elizabeth was already in the sixth month of her pregnancy. Mary then visited Elizabeth and stayed with her almost three months (Luke 1:39-40, 56). Soon after Mary left, Elizabeth reached her full term of nine months, and John was born sometime between Adar 19 and Nisan 3, or February 27 and March 11, in 5 BC.
Projecting forward nine months from the estimated time of Mary’s conception,
we arrive at the twoweek period during which Christ was probably born. This two-week time period was Elul 24-Tishri 8, or
August 27-September 9. As the synchronized calendar shows, the Feast of Trumpets was the middle day of this two-week period
While the Gospels do not reveal the specific day, the birth of Jesus on the Feast of Trumpets would be in harmony with God’s great plan as portrayed through His annual holy days—His “appointed times.”
It seems Jesus was born in Feast of Trumpets, between August 27 to September 9
Does Pastor Fred mean 6 BC or 5 BC ?
Notice Pastor Fred does not see a single error between Matthew or Luke. I tend to agree with him, but his other theories of faith are different to mine, I do like He observes Feasts, as well as Sabbath.
Shalom