The Genesis and creation cycles of Almighty?

[Alan McDougall]

In the following chapters I attempt to describe what happens in what I call Womb of God which is the best description that place where God creates alternate realities are to be found. As God seeds each new universe he creates each one in its one unique in form and structure, much like the DNA code that causes us physical beings to become who we are in time and place.

Almighty God was, is and will be forever and ever

The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending

Existence -was -Existence-is -Existence-will be.

Within the primordial ever existing writhing cosmic cloud of magnetic flux energy, that the always is I, took on new form, evolved and coalesced again into a dense oneness of primordial glowing energy, which is and was and will be, the primordial source that moves between the everlasting cycle of order to chaos and chaos back to order.

Within a Timeless zone before existence came to be , a pool of infinite pure potential and creative thought in which I held all the hopes, dreams, for creating new order within the realms of existence and reality and these immense waves of pure magnetic thought gradually coalesced and a mighty sentient consciousness emerged out of previous chaos.

I experienced time only in my dreams and the cup of my dreams ran over as do rivers that overflow their banks. I dreamed infinity of dreams in first instant, and infinity multiplied by infinity in the timeless zone I thought of creating all possibilities in one awesome now

I awoke and thought the first thoughts within infinitely primordial mind I had become. Out of the realm of previous chaos I began to recreate outside the absolute realm and started the first realities based on new planes realms dimensions and textures.

I had drifted for eternities in and out of awareness and within the mind flux of pure energy. I tossed out the foams singularities, started the flow of time and withdrew into itself outside time or space and sustained my creation as a static force of infinite power.

I became the first Spirit as I twisted in agony of birth, boiling dissolving reforming writhing and vibrating, before existence or creation were reborn out of the thoughts programs of my mind I set up new realities and began to organize myself into a mighty being of thought and infinite intelligence.

I looked outward and inward into the infinite boundless dark void and knew I was alone and became filled with unspeakable loneliness.

Now aware of infinite potential of the vast unploughed fields of dark nothingness, I strode with great beams of Radiant Light toward the infinite horizons of eternity, sowing seeds of existence, before the timeless moment of creation.

I grew out of nothingness of own will and self, before anything else existed and with the dynamics of my original thoughts I spoke out and created all that ever was, all that is, and all that will ever be.

Before I could create I who am everything, had to withdraw of myself to open up a void in which to place the universes I was about to grow out of the thought seeds resting in my mind, waiting for planting.

On the panorama of bleak blackness, I sewed seeds of universal radiant energy. Reality is the gem of my creation and the beauty of my achievement. I am it who lives, forever and forever. It is I who illuminated the everlasting darkness of the primordial void, with beams of dazzling light in living and translucent glory to share it with those who love me.

At the moment of the thundering dawn of creating existence, I sent out the primordial heat to light up the universes for the seeds of life to be planted within them. I waited and watched as my creation grew and expanded and it filled my being with joy and satisfaction and I knew my workmanship was good.

I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

With infinite power and intellect I the nameless- ever- existing- one, looked out at a new empty infinite dark void. I am boundless I will create something with the potential to become like myself.

Therefore, I separated into an infinity of fundamental fragments yet remained connected to my created beings as the great creator and father spirit.

I set up polarities separating, the sons of light and the sons of dark and permitted enmity to exist between the forces of good and the forces of evil.

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness. In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

There was no cause to my existence I having no Cause I am therefore both the effect and affect sustains and shaper of all things that exist I am my own proponent.

My acts of creation are cyclic events and my purpose reason for my existence. I formulate everything in the thoughts of my Mind and knew the first numbers.

With the simplicities and realities of the fundamentals I made everything. I am the Prime Mover and there was no other proponent to my "first cause". I am the "immovable rock" and the" alpha point". I took these first fundamentals and weaved them into the fabric of the reality, creating all the limitless universes on the infinite timeless foam where before there was but nothing. You exist because I exist!

I sang the songs of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies of light, glory translucent and everlasting with the vibrations of the song of existence. The singer sang the song, the painter the painting, the creator the creation.

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Your universe then began to weave, dance, and vibrate flux and vortex into one colossal maelstrom, spiral in perfect order from the mind of the eternal one The Universe danced and sang with joy. The dancer danced and sang along with his new creation.

Back before anything was conceived , I am Infinite pure "mind" and "thought" there is no dark only light within my infinite domain, so I moved upon the great void of dark and said "let there be" light' and there was light. From the light came love and life.

Great huge blue/ white fusion fire stars formed from primeval hydrogen, lived a short two million years exploding a colossal Supernovae so that new long living golden fusion stars, containing all the other elements necessary for life could form from their dust and join together into great beautiful billions of huge galaxies..

Each galaxy contained thousands of billions of yellow golden long life stars like Sol, which, would each burn in beauty for 20 billion stable years. the heavy substances of life were know contained in each star so that blue- water beautiful worlds like earth could form and be the cradle of mortal life.

Oh! How I rejoiced at that wonderful day. The mighty suns began to sing together the beautiful song of creation across the vastness of the marvelous new mighty universe. All sang together in wonderful harmony.

You only perceive me as whispering thoughts in your brain and usually take little notice of them but we should try to be more aware and connect with this source of universal knowledge for the benefit of humankind, we have learned to filter out them to our disadvantage.

You are something similar to the hive mind of the bee or ant but that, which connects all higher beings in one consciousness throughout the universe.

Strange worlds revolving around other stars within other galaxies, are painted in a myriad of colors unknown and unseen of earth blazed, flashed, revolved in glorious maelstroms like colossal aurora borealis in such glory in the heavily planes and the physical universe that would have blinded human eyes.

Cerulean clouds of energy rolled and merged changing into aubergine, incarnadine and green viridity, gladeen, misord, bladgreed, blueploom, surgrrezeing, astromosterdram, these words for some of these colors just entered my mind and I remembered then for this document. Beings on planets such as these communicate by flashing colors of a billion different shades and spectrums, each subtle shade can have a particular meaning of mean more than all the data on earth in a moment

Great “Plasma Beings” using magnetic energy in beautiful alabaster like robes, joined our journey and raced across the ethereal realms with us like dolphins do on earth. I remembered a story I had read as a child “I am the magnetic body electric” I had this type of body for too short a time (of course there is no concept of time, but is the best word here)

Dwellers on the furnaces of the suns, to them the inferno we call the surface of a sun or star is cool life giving warmth. They survive on magnetic energy.


What do you think of my strange mind?

Regards Alan

[Dave]

How Dare You!

Post something so interesting! What do you think of my strange mind?
You sir are no stranger to me – love your post

This is how I see this forum:
I am not here to change you – to prove anything
because I/we are only human; therefore we know not

Each is blessed, each is called, each is taught, differently – from above and nurture
All of the Gospels are not the same
God’s message to Sampson was different than to David, or to Peter

Yet all correct!



I wrote this years ago – Perspective

The basic knowledge we posses is the framework by which our minds process new information. We know more about space today and the idea of the earth being flat is ridicules. Everyone understands this common knowledge today, but on a personal level, our basic knowledge is the end product of our life experience, effected by our cultural and educational biases. Combined that with the revelation that persity among people today is greater than ever before. No wonder twenty people can see an accident and swear to twenty different versions of the same incident.

Just imagine how a college science professor might report the incident. 'After breaking, the momentum of Vehicle A was too great and carried Vehicle into Vehicle B with tremendous energy.'

The extremely upset student that was just graded poorly by that same professor thought that: 'Vehicle A just came out of nowhere and blew Vehicle B away.'

Yet, the empathetic lady saw that, 'The driver of Vehicle A tried their best to avoid Vehicle B by swerving and weaving.'

However, the lady standing next to the empathetic lady had lost her husband to a drunk driver years earlier and interpreted the swerving and weaving much differently.

The religious zealot may swear that if it wasn't for the hand of God, someone may have gotten hurt.

However, the wino sleeping buy the dumpster will swear that a bolt of lightning struck the two cars and caused them to explode. Which sounds absolutely crazy and is so easily dismissed, because of the predigest toward the wino's life style and the potential supernatural context of his statement, until the drivers of both vehicles admit that the sun was shining in their eyes and reflecting off their windshields.

Detectives are trained to take all twenty statements and evaluate them side by side to search for a central truth. In essence, they are trying to look at the reported event from as many different perspectives as possible. I adopt this strategy/methodology in the search for a more meaningful truth. I intend to examine the issue from as many different perspectives as possible. Giving each perspective weight, yet understanding that any one perspective never includes the entire story.




I have a story – now you have shared yours – there is so much interesting here
I hope your expectation is a serious discussion

All religions are wrong – all points of view are wrong, but point to that central truth (but I’ll just say theme – because truth is too absolute) – that primal theology

BEWARE – I am a 60 yr old science laboratory professional
My original target audience were my peers that are to scientifically educated to believe in a Creator

[Dave]

In the following chapters I attempt to describe what happens in what I call Womb of God which is the best description that place where God creates alternate realities are to be found.


Womb of God and alternate realities

I am a multidimensionalist – I am 3D – every stream of evidence tells me that I exist in a 10D reality
Dimension = alternate reality = alternate localities of existence = heavens = celestial spheres = etc
Enoch 10 Heavens – Paul 10H – Islam 7H+this 3D – science 10D
All 10 Ds simultaneously exist – H is not up or down it is right here – just not within our view
Phillip wrote the same in his Gospel
Dog, owls, and man all see different spectrums
Hebrew speaks of a VAIL – Luke 16

Womb of Creation is a Gnostic concept
Even science says the very first step was expansion - Sacred Geometry says 1st step expansion
I see this expansion as the spirit of the Creator – that 1stD that can never be located – a single point that contains all point – therefore omnipotent, omniscient, and by expansion = omnipresent as the either / matrix upon which the remaining 9Ds find their definitions


As God seeds each new universe he creates each one in its one unique in form and structure, much like the DNA code that causes us physical beings to become who we are in time and place.

Each of the 10Ds are unique – because they are of different energies –
Science speak – Chemistry – the atom – the building block for this 3D is composed of 7 layers of electron shells – (that’s why there are 7 rows on the periodic chart) – each electron shell can only hold a limited number of electrons so as atoms get larger and electrons are added they have to move up in energy shells

And your DNA = the energy (E) of each D – the vibrational harmonics that cause the SCIENE LAWS that govern each D

Almighty God was, is and will be forever and ever
The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending
Existence -was -Existence-is -Existence-will be.
Within a Timeless zone before existence came to be

Agreed – but only within the limit of our reality
Is there more beyond my Creator? Unknown to me because it is beyond my reality
In the Book of Deut. It tells us not to consider what is beyond God
I understand why – if we speculate if God has brothers, or sisters, or if he has his own brand of mortality – it only humans God – we are blatantly anthropomorphizing – it makes God small in a way – less than the absolute
From now on between you and me – this is (exception 1)

the primordial source that moves between the everlasting cycle of order to chaos and chaos back to order.

What an interesting thing to say – of everything you have said this is amazing – new concept for me
Feels kind of right – certainly fits Gnostic cosmology – we are going to talk of this again after I Ponder this one – thank you

I became the first Spirit (exception 1) as I twisted in agony of birth, boiling dissolving reforming writhing and vibrating, before existence or creation were reborn out of the thoughts programs of my mind I set up new realities and began to organize myself (exception 1)into a mighty being of thought and infinite intelligence.

Agony of Birth – another interesting point – even the Big Bang implies an explosion, imaging the legacy to the universe of the PAIN and TRAMA of that even - CHAOS

I looked outward and inward into the infinite boundless dark void and knew I was alone and became filled with unspeakable loneliness.

Now aware of infinite potential of the vast unploughed fields of dark nothingness, I strode with great beams of Radiant Light toward the infinite horizons of eternity, sowing seeds of existence, before the timeless moment of creation.

I grew (exception 1)out of nothingness of own will and self, before anything else existed and with the dynamics of my original thoughts I spoke out and created all that ever was, all that is, and all that will ever be.

Alone and nothingness
For me – alone would be – alone with my own thoughts – because for me God the Creator is not locatable – no other reference point or point to compare with – The thoughts of God is what I think of as the Spirit of God and immediately there are 2, once this become matter now there are 3 and this is the Trinity for me

Nothingness - I rale against this concept – it is Roman myth that something is created from nothing
The Hebrew says – God ‘fattened” the heavens
Something was there to fatten – Himself – and He aint nothing


Before I could create (exception 1)I who am everything, had to withdraw of myself to open up a void in which to place the universes I was about to grow out of the thought seeds resting in my mind, waiting for planting.

Nice


More to follow

[Alan McDougall]

Hi Dave,

Nice to see that you like my essays, they come from my most inner being and I sort of "Download" them from what I call the 'Superconsciousness" of our universe. The superconsciousness is not Almighty God, but a sort of Cosmic Mind of all sentient beings in our universe..

You are right to become appalled in trying to understand absolute nothingness, because if you try to understand it you could go insane in the process.

I wrote an essay on nothingness sometime ago, and it is up to you if we keep it in this thread or make a new one specific to that dangerous concept?



Why is there Something and not nothing?


Absolute nothingness- absolute absence of everything that exist

With nothing, I mean the un-existence of everything. No people, no earth, no milky way, no universe, no laws of nature, no space, no time a total non-existence of everything. A mind-boggling, brain-, brain-numbing and brain- twisting overwhelming concept, terrifying, frightening, too awful to contemplate and impossible think about, without going insane and totally beyond understanding of any human genius. Making a mathematical model of nothing is actually easy. (Take an empty set, with no operations on it, and nothing else.) Nevertheless, one thing we can be sure of: this nothing is not correct: we do not have “nothing”, but definite and absolutely do indeed have ‘something’

Why is there something instead of nothing? The interesting conclusion of this ultimate puzzle is that, we can be sure of, it that at least something exists. There is a Universe, we see people, and things, and light, and while we may debate what it means, how it came into being, and how it works, we can be sure that there is at least `something'.

Many physicists search for the most elementary laws of physics, and believe that a law is more likely to be true, when it is simpler, more elementary. Some think that at some moment, humans will understand how the Universe and everything works, and, even more, that we find out why the Universe is necessarily as it is. I cannot believe that, indeed, I believe humans cannot ever give a satisfactory or final answer to this ultimate of all questions. "Why is there something instead of nothing?"

This shows that the simplest model is not always the correct one. The universe is almost infinitely complex and to me this points to the simple logic that it is the creation by an infinite, intelligent power. Nothing is the very most basic of all concepts and if there were nothing, there would be no creator, of course.

Some people may argue that the universe was created in the Big Bang ( but whom and what pressed the button of the big bang in the first place, so to speak?) , and that positive matter and positive energy are actually negated by the simultaneous creation of negative matter and negative energy. However, this doesn't answer the other question, where do matter, energy and laws of physics then come from in the first place?

Does this question have an answer? If something exists because it either was a modification of something or else, something or somebody else created it, then what caused that to exist? It seems that our logic is unable to deal with the question; indeed, I think the question shows there is a limit to our understanding of things by the very best minds of the human race. There are simply mysteries out there that will never ever be solved by mere mortal man.

You see the universe has a Goldie locks condition about it, i.e., it cannot be too hot, or too cold etc, etc, etc, but it has to be just absolutely correct, precise and right or life would not have come into existence and we would not be around to contemplate, debate or dialog on this ultimate enigma. We would not exist. Life hangs on and depends on this knife- edge of harmonies conditions that have to be sustained over countless billions of years, for us to have come into existence and continue to exist. Makes one think, does it not?

Why do we have a Universe? My answer is that God created the Universe. However, then, one can ask, who/what created God? I believe God was not created and this ‘fact’ is beyond our understanding and must be accepted on faith. God is far and beyond our understanding, everlasting, without beginning or end, eternal and ever -existing, but was (and is, and will be) always existed.

Almighty God, is indeed the very author of all existence. Indeed, God is so mighty, Omni-All that he/she exists, forever, far above our reasoning and above the ultimate reaches of our logic. Something we and all the vain puffed up scientist, philosophers, etc, will just have to accept in time,

We mere mortal humans, will, at the end of the day have to, relent and acknowledge that somewhere out there is a awesome, colossal, mighty, great infinite intelligence that in comparison that we are as a microbe is to a human or perhaps horrors even much further remote, from the Omni-all power we call God. It will indeed be a most humbling experience for us to finally realize and acknowledge, that there are things and mysteries that will; remain forever, absolutely, totally beyond human comprehension understand and reside eternally in the mind of our creator God.

It is a fact the finite being like a human simply, could never ever comprehend the mind of the Infinite Being, this should be logic to any fool.

God Exists and inescapable fact of logic

By Alan McDougall 11/6/2007

© Copyright Alan Grant McDougall 1/9/2013

[Dave]

Jun 2, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -5 Dave said:

Nothingness - I rale against this concept – it is Roman myth that something is created from nothing
The Hebrew says – God ‘fattened” the heavens
Something was there to fatten – Himself – and He aint nothing

Many physicists search for the most elementary laws of physics, and believe that a law is more likely to be true, when it is simpler, more elementary. Some think that at some moment, humans will understand how the Universe and everything works, and, even more, that we find out why the Universe is necessarily as it is. I cannot believe that, indeed, I believe humans cannot ever give a satisfactory or final answer to this ultimate of all questions. "Why is there something instead of nothing?"

I am a scientist – and I support the notion that all things are “Simple”
Even complicated things are nothing more than a conglomerate of “simple” smaller things
Entropy suggest that at the base – lays something simple at rest

Science does try to understand (describe) how corporeal matter interacts.

AND – as for me – science HAS ANSWERED the question and has been answering that same question with the exact same answer for centuries!!!!! AND – as far as science goes – science’s answer has always been correct.

The scientific answer for why and for how is and always has been = “By an unexplained mechanism”

As a strict Creationist – I fully agree with and endorse science’s answer
Science can only speak to those things it can measure
The Creator is unmeasurable! Therefore their conclusion that at the heart of everything lays something unmeasurable, undefinable, and undetectable with scientific instruments - leaves science with something inferred not observed – unexplained - yet – must exist as the mechanism – as the cause

Now add to this scenario a Book written in America around 1885 called “Conflict Thesis”

Based primarily on the fact that the Roman Catholic Church’s position on performing post-mortem exams. This fact alone resulted in the grave robbers and murderers in Europe cashing in by bringing corps to physicians after dark so they could study human anatomy. This very conflict obviously slowed the advancement of medicine and caused much resentment by physicians. In this particular example the book is absolutely correct.

However, society added the history of Giordano Bruno and Galileo, as well as, the obvious oppression within the personal lives of the people. These social conditions together fueled the notion that “Conflict Thesis” means that the Church (and this only means the Roman Catholic Church) was anti-science.

It is from this social and cultural misunderstanding that we get Something from Nothing

Science has never said this
Scripture has never said this
even Sacred Geometry never says this

Only the social conspiracy of religion – especially Roman Christendom – says this

[Dave]

more following from above


I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

(exception 1) – and purpose?
Speculation about God’s anything – is like a Gold Fish describing the realm of the Eagles. They just don’t have a clue what they are talking about

and personally – I am uncomfortable with the expression that – I, (YHWY), am nothing

displacing darkness - question at the bottom

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

AGREED! – and disagree to a point – seek clarification

Duality – opposing forces - this couldn’t be more Gnostic in origin – Gnosticism teaches “The Great Contest”

Are you saying YHWY is the ‘rebellious-one’? -or- YHWY created the rebellious-one?

I would love to hear more on this from you. How do Gen 3:15, Isa 45:7-8, and Christendom’s Isa 14 all fit together for you?

up-top you talked about God as the light that displaces the dark - this is a common Roman thing to say - Isa 45 say God is the dark because God is everything

Comment?

In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Also Gnostic – I would love to hear your impression of “FREE WILL”
Do we have it? Do spiritual being have it?

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

Hmmmmmm? - Mistake - (exception 1) – perhaps the chaos we live is the design?

My acts of creation are cyclic events

I support this statement very much – have you read my paper on Incremental Creation?

I sang the songs of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies

The “Song of Creation” – The Word – spoken or sung – vibration therefore creation = Gnostic cosmpology

You only perceive me as whispering thoughts in your brain and usually take little notice of them but we should try to be more aware and connect with this source

Hmmmmm? – expand this idea for me – is this the only form of communication?

Great “Plasma Beings” using magnetic energy in beautiful alabaster like robes, joined our journey and raced across the ethereal realms with us like dolphins do on earth. I remembered a story I had read as a child “I am the magnetic body electric” I had this type of body for too short a time (of course there is no concept of time, but is the best word here)

Dwellers on the furnaces of the suns, to them the inferno we call the surface of a sun or star is cool life giving warmth. They survive on magnetic energy.


Plasma beings – Light beings – Spirits – this is all good for me – dwellers on other planets of much different construct and even suns – also Gnostic

Gnostic cosmology =
10 localities of reality
3 consumed by the God Head (Trinity)
7 localities remain and are filled with life forms

Gnostic text from the Nag Hammadi says:

The Archons are planetary rulers and guardians of the spiritual planes. The Archons were associated with the planets of our solar system, or more precisely - the visible seven planets. The common language of the time was Greek. In Greek, Archon means authority and comes from the same root as archangel. They are presented as predatory beings who inhibit spiritual awakening by convincing humanity of a false reality, they are the forces of sin, fear, and temptation. (altreligion.about.com/library)

[Alan McDougall]

Jun 6, 2015 11:20:53 GMT -5 Dave said:

more following from above


I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

(exception 1) – and purpose?
Speculation about God’s anything – is like a Gold Fish describing the realm of the Eagles. They just don’t have a clue what they are talking about

and personally – I am uncomfortable with the expression that – I, (YHWY), am nothing

displacing darkness - question at the bottom

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

AGREED! – and disagree to a point – seek clarification

Duality – opposing forces - this couldn’t be more Gnostic in origin – Gnosticism teaches “The Great Contest”

Are you saying YHWY is the ‘rebellious-one’? -or- YHWY created the rebellious-one?

I would love to hear more on this from you. How do Gen 3:15, Isa 45:7-8, and Christendom’s Isa 14 all fit together for you?

up-top you talked about God as the light that displaces the dark - this is a common Roman thing to say - Isa 45 say God is the dark because God is everything

Comment?

In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Also Gnostic – I would love to hear your impression of “FREE WILL”
Do we have it? Do spiritual being have it?

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

Hmmmmmm? - Mistake - (exception 1) – perhaps the chaos we live is the design?

My acts of creation are cyclic events

I support this statement very much – have you read my paper on Incremental Creation?

I sang the songs of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies

The “Song of Creation” – The Word – spoken or sung – vibration therefore creation = Gnostic cosmpology

You only perceive me as whispering thoughts in your brain and usually take little notice of them but we should try to be more aware and connect with this source

Hmmmmm? – expand this idea for me – is this the only form of communication?

Great “Plasma Beings” using magnetic energy in beautiful alabaster like robes, joined our journey and raced across the ethereal realms with us like dolphins do on earth. I remembered a story I had read as a child “I am the magnetic body electric” I had this type of body for too short a time (of course there is no concept of time, but is the best word here)

Dwellers on the furnaces of the suns, to them the inferno we call the surface of a sun or star is cool life giving warmth. They survive on magnetic energy.


Plasma beings – Light beings – Spirits – this is all good for me – dwellers on other planets of much different construct and even suns – also Gnostic

Gnostic cosmology =
10 localities of reality
3 consumed by the God Head (Trinity)
7 localities remain and are filled with life forms

Gnostic text from the Nag Hammadi says:

The Archons are planetary rulers and guardians of the spiritual planes. The Archons were associated with the planets of our solar system, or more precisely - the visible seven planets. The common language of the time was Greek. In Greek, Archon means authority and comes from the same root as archangel. They are presented as predatory beings who inhibit spiritual awakening by convincing humanity of a false reality, they are the forces of sin, fear, and temptation. (altreligion.about.com/library)

 Dve before I joined your forum I knew almost nothing about Gnostic Chritianity.

It seems that at this time we concur almost totally.

I will search my writings about fee-will.

I had a look at your paper/essay you call "Incremental Evolution and "HOW DARE YOU"  be so close to what I believe, almost exactly in fact. 

I simply cannot abide by the silly nonsense of God creating the entire universe in just six earth days, when there were no days yet!

[Larry]

I haven't read everything here and I do not understand much of what I did read. I find your conversation interesting and I follow you to a point, but there were no days yet?

I always thought that the word day and the 7 days week all came from Gen 1

I have even been to classes where the point is made that a day is night/morning not morning/night also from Gen 1

[Dave]

Day


You are absolutely correct Larry. All of that could come from Gen 1 and probably does - but - this is an example of ancient Hebrew versus modern English

Day in Hebrew does not mean - a 24 hour cycle
Even in English day does not mean a 24 hour cycle

Example - Ask me when I last saw my wife and I would say yesterday.
Did I see her the entire 24 hour period? NO
If I say I took an exam the other day - that exam did not take 24 hours
What if I say that I am working all day long - even in English this doesn't imply 24 hours

Creation - six days - does not automatically demand six 24 hour days

[Alan McDougall]

Hi Dave (and Larry)

You asked that in my essay you asked if YAHWEH was the "Rebellious one or did he create the Rebellious one?

YAHWEH is the Creator of all existence, he is eternal, has no beginning, will have no end, thus he created the Rebellious One, who some call the Devil or Satan or the Terrible One. Almighty God allows this entity certain freedom for some deep and profound reason. It is because of this that we exist in a universe of dualities, God created it like that and who am I to argue with the Almighty.

I would like to add another view of mine on the Creator.

God is everywhere, so he is that "All Embracing Something" I talk about.

As I understand it and my understanding is very finite when God decided to create our universe.

He had to withdraw of himself, to allow space enough for the seed of the universe to grow and expand into the beautiful place we observe now in our telescopes.

I also have a different perspective on the story Jesus told about the mustard seed and the kingdom of heaven.

I wrote it long ago and will have to search my archives to get it ! 

[Dave]

Jun 7, 2015 20:41:01 GMT -5 Alan McDougall said:

YAHWEH is the Creator of all existence, he is eternal, has no beginning, will have no end, thus he created the Rebellious One, who some call the Devil or Satan or the Terrible One. Almighty God allows this entity certain freedom for some deep and profound reason. It is because of this that we exist in a universe of dualities, God created it like that and who am I to argue with the Almighty.

Thank you - scripture clearly says this - yet this gets me repeatedly kicked out of all the Roman churches I attend - God is only good = He didn't create evil - So, I ask a second creation by a second creator - no way they say - but from wherever it came from God didn't do it - He could because God is Love

This is an edited lopsided cosmology

The Creator made everything - and a Contest was born between two different sides of a duality
Good and Evil / Ying and Yang / opposing paradigms / TOV and RA / function and disfunction

This is closer to the primal theology than Romanology alone

Gnostics embrace a larger reality and use text from out side of the Roman 'one book' to do it

[Larry]

If you guy use more texts, books, whatever than just 'The Bible" how do you know it an inspired text? Are all texts inspired? What about text far away from the Middle East? Celtic writings or Viking writings? How do you know which is real and which is fake?

[Dave]

Love the question !!!

I have a two part answer for you

2 Tim 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Today Rome says this verse means their sanctioned 'one book' only

However, yesterday - as recently as 1831 Christian scholars said:

From, Commentary 2 Tim 3:16 by Adam Clark 1831
"The apostle is here, beyond all controversy, speaking of the writings of the Old Testament, which, because they came by Divine inspiration, he terms the Holy Scriptures, 2Ti_3:15; and it is of them alone that this passage is to be understood; and although all the New Testament came by as direct an inspiration as the Old, yet, as it was not collected at that time, not indeed complete, the apostle could have no reference to it."

There were a lot of writings that Paul did know about. By Peter, Mark, John, James, Philip, Thomas, and others.

If you look at this same verse in a literal translation it says:

2 Tim 3:16 (YLT) every Writing is God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that is in righteousness,

every Writing is God-breathed, and profitable - (is this just what we call scripture - or does science count?)

The second part of my answer is - it depends on what you do with the information you read.

1st Thessalonians 5:21

(ASV) prove all things; hold fast that which is good;

(KJV) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

(YLT) all things prove; that which is good hold fast;

(ESV) but test everything; hold fast what is good.

Challenge everything, test everything - and keep the good

But how do we know which is the good?

1 John 2:26 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

My process - how do I implement this in my personal life?

Mathew 6 tells us how to pray - we are not to ask for stuff because He knows what we need more than we do. Or as I heard it said once - children ask for what they want - but parents give them what they need

I pray scripture. I pray the same scripture over and over. Do I always get an answer? Maybe - because after praying about that scripture another pops into my mind that takes me off on another tangent all together - was this an answer?

[Alan McDougall]

Jun 14, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5 Larry said:

If you guy use more texts, books, whatever than just 'The Bible" how do you know it an inspired text? Are all texts inspired? What about text far away from the Middle East? Celtic writings or Viking writings? How do you know which is real and which is fake?

I would say Larry, that anything read, bible or other, must be read only after seeking God in prayer, before opening the book. 

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us truth, after he left, so we should try our bet to be under his guidance, when we research anything.

[Deleted]

Really good read gentlemen. Alan your thoughts are very interesting.

Larry, how do we know which texts can be added to others, as inspired?

Scripture (the writings) says how to read Scripture (the writings):

(There is no Hebrew word for Scripture, only writings, and the word "holy" actually means "special", so we have the OT as "special writings" written in Hebrew, the language from Adam and Eve.)

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

Writings are everywhere, some clean, many unclean...how do we tell which to read, which to ignore?

Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Text begins as milk from the "breasts of the Holy Spirit" a simile of babies breast fed in younger days. Milk is simple wholesome food. Not too much of one theme over another, simple but balanced.

We all begin on milky doses of the Word. Sadly some of us drink milky doses all our lives and never grow up in the Lord Jesus.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

This says to line up writings lines with other writings lines, in places here and there, so they speak of similar commands upon commands,
in child like doses, that one can understand.

For example the Hebrew "amanuah" (faith), has related roots according to Jeff Benner in His Ancient Hebrew Research Center, the word begins with "Man", the Greek word manna. Where do you get faith, and what does it mean?

If you check out the first use of "man" and "amanuah" you find pictures of faith that is concrete and tangible to understand.
Once you get those lines upon lines, you can move into the NT and get the lines upon lines reading "faith" in the NT Greek setting. If you read gnosis or Coptic writings, these too should harmonise with the Hebrew lines upon lines too, and a simple harmonious theme should run when inspired special writings all line up with one another. Of course the Holy Spirit as a tutor will guide this process for you.

Notice the next line:

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

This is a writing prophecy that the Hebrew former teachings will go out into new tongues for a refreshing to other peoples, ie Coptic, Greek and Engish, etc. How do we line up these writings in other tongues back to the former rain? Easy, line upon line, precept upon precept, all the old landmarks should line up with the new writings. If that don't they are not inspired, and should be rejected. But don't be too hasty rejecting text just because you don't understand it.

Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Every translation get this verse wrong "first day", the Hebrew says "day one" or "yom" "echad".

Some say "yom" means millions of years of time. No. Yom means a "day" the moving of earth into black and white time, a 24 hour period. Einstein says, as Schroeder says, time is relative on other frames of reference, so on another planet like earth looking as stars, their "yom" looks older than our "yom", that relativity for you. Is this concept in the writings? yes

Ge 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Generations of time and Yom of time created together, makes no sense. We assume time exists. Time is the moving of matter relative to other matter in space, so things can be relative to each other.

Another principle I love, is keep things simple:

Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.

I was a science teacher, so explaining things as a child understands is more natural to me. Keep things simple, ponder the unknown if we can, but remember mysteries abound for us to learn everyday.

Shalom everyone.