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Post by anna on Jul 10, 2013 1:55:06 GMT -5
I have enjoyed all of your opinions on this subject. I don't know much about the Bible. I went to Sunday School some 60 year ago. Never went to Church in my adult life.
I think that gays should have the same right a any Married couple. If you spent your life with same person. say your partner go to the hospital and is in intensive care a Gay partner can't visit because him not family.
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Post by Virginia on Jul 10, 2013 9:06:45 GMT -5
I do not have a problem with gay people because my son was gay.
Growing up my mother had 2 sisters that were twins. Both of them had 12 children. One aunt was regular lady like but the other one always dressed as a man, cut her hair like a man, walked like a man, had jobs such as painting buildings like a man, but had 12 children. The family knew she was different and when there was a holiday or get together one of my aunts was assigned to do her hair and dress her, but in the end she would show up with pants and hair glued down with hair oil. It just never worked to try to change her. Because she had so many children we never realized she was gay-like because that was something years ago that was not talked about.
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Post by Dave on Jul 10, 2013 16:38:01 GMT -5
No matter what knowledge we accumulate through life, we are still that animal our genetic material encoded. Where does instinct come from? How about the desire to reproduce and survive? Are they not evidence of a genetic memory? Does not our genome encode these traits to us? Look at the some of the many conclusions reached by the Minnesota Twin Family Study, 'Co-twins seem to have about as good a chance of being similar to their co-twin, in terms of personality, interest and attitudes, regardless if they were raised together or apart. This leads us to believe that the similarities between twins are due to genetic relationship, not environment.' Whether it is the end result of natural selection, or direct intervention, doesn't this indicate that we, as a species, are a programmable commodity and our DNA is the program. (http://ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=psychology)
So, let me ask you this. Are you telling us that humanity does not have free will? People are not able choose for themselves between right and wrong. If gays are born gay and that is all there is to it, then where do you draw the line? Murderers, thieves, rapist just can’t help themselves – they were just born that way?
Remove the social penalties, and then the social stigmas, from murder, stealing, or raping; wouldn't you expect these forms of conduct to also rise in prevalence? Some could argue that we can’t help it. It is just the way we are born – it is genetic.
I guess the difference between the religious and the non-religious is the conscious CHOICE, or the conscious exercise of FREE WILL to rise above our animal programming for a higher moral standard. This is my argument here. Remove the religious moral code, then the social moral code follows, and eventually; once taboo conduct becomes normalized.
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Post by loretta on Jul 10, 2013 17:35:38 GMT -5
My thinking is that if homosexuality is not God's plan and desire for mankind, then it must be the enemy's deception and perversion. So we all have some responsibility as to whether we buy into it or not. And how are we loving someone by believing a lie...if indeed it IS a lie...which it is if it is a perversion. Would we embrace and promote a drug addiction? I know a young man who said God delivered him from this desire. I think the enemy can convince a majority by "scientific" statistics and studys...doesn't mean it's SO! The enemy has convinced a lot of people of a lot of things...like there is no God....that He hasn't given us instructions in how to live and prosper. A lot of the things people do are not good for them but free will is part of the making (or breaking) of a soul. You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free!
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Post by anna on Jul 11, 2013 1:49:43 GMT -5
I think that growing up in a Religious home you learn more about right and wrong. Your moral code has a chance of coming throw. Mother have to work so that leaves kid on the own which some get into trouble. I think the Moral Code of the world has change when I was a kid I would never went anywhere by my self. Maybe that's because I grew up on a farm and not the city. Are you saying that God didn't make the homosexual, So do you think the Devil had a hand in change Gods people?
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Post by Dave on Jul 11, 2013 2:04:35 GMT -5
I guess the difference between the religious and the non-religious is the conscious CHOICE, or the conscious exercise of FREE WILL to rise above our animal programming for a higher moral standard. This is my argument here. On an individual level scripture says, 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vain glory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.Galatians 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof. 25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk. Jesus told us to “… seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness…” Mathew 6:33 Colossians 3:1 If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. Mathew 6:24 and Luke 16:13 No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. As individuals, or as a culture, we cannot have our focus upon, or aspire to, higher things, if we are busy worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. As the culture of the America, whose number one physical enemy on the planet today is the Muslim Brotherhood and the strict commands of fundamental Islamic faith, how can America ever stand a chance at reaching a political compromise with the ½ of the world that sees us as a nation of homosexual deviates that actively export our life style to the world. What happened to Israel when they lost their respect for God’s law? Hosea 8:3 Israel hath cast off that which is good: the enemy shall pursue him. Next thing you know Israel was enslaved by Babylon
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Post by loretta on Jul 11, 2013 9:00:52 GMT -5
Again, look at Romans 1:18-32. It clearly says that God didn't "make the homosexual"..he made the PERSON, but the determination of the person/s to make their own rules and change the nature of man that God had designed, caused God to say...ok, if that's what you want...go for it and see how that works for you. That whole discourse in Romans says it so well, I don't need to go over it again and again. We can either accept what it says concerning this issue or do exactly what is talked about there and question WHY GOD MADE THE HOMOSEXUAL!..He didn't...anymore than the Demoniac in Luke 8. Modern society would probably label this man mentally ill, at best, but it WAS Satan who made this man a Demoniac. But I am not putting the whole weight on the afflicted person...the scripture states that those who approve of these things are culpable and responsible for the situation as well.
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Post by Dave on Jul 12, 2013 16:25:33 GMT -5
Loretta - I couldn't agree with you more!
The system, or the culture, the society we grow up within is a big part of the problem. The values it teaches the young combined with the laws it passes condone, legitimize, or normalize behaviors that may, or may not, be scriptural.
I have a good friend from the Ukraine. he is a wonderful Christian man, but he is as hard as nails. His demeanor is a product of his culture.
My point that I that I unsuccessfully tried to make earlier is that there has been an obvious push to manipulate our value systems over the last 150 years.
If the Devil came out tomorrow and said here I am follow me - the choice would be to obvious. Instead, his attack upon us has been much more subtle. Chipping away at those pesky Christian values one by one.
On a different discussion board I am engaged in a long battle about our current welfare system and how it has ultimately damaged families.
Public education is a wonder idea, but what it teaches does not promote faith.
Abortion is a can of worms, I am glad I don't have to decide on the proper law. However, I have seen patients that are coming in for their 13th abortion - man, that is just morally wrong, but completely legal under the current system.
Gay rights and same sex marriage is just another war front against Christian values.
The world is not for our spiritual development. The world doesn't want us to mature in our faith. The World of flesh wants to keep us quagmired in these endless sidetracks that take us away from 'First seeking the kingdom of God.'
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2013 13:16:04 GMT -5
The Gospel of Phillip 61:10 "Indeed every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery."
Exodus 20:14 "Thou shalt not commit adultery. "
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2013 1:03:04 GMT -5
Does the Homosexual Agenda Threaten America? Sargent, Linda, May/June 2012, America 2012, A Nation in Crises, pg. 22, EndTimes Magazine
All thirteen colonies and all 50 states at one time outlawed homosexuality. Were they just strict and unenlightened, or does the homosexual agenda pose a threat to America? Does it matter that it ridicules the history of this nation in its military, its schools, and the sanctity of marriage? Does it matter that God, prayer, and the Ten Commandments are banned from the public schools, but homosexuality is celebrated? Well, John David Michaelis would answer a resounding “Yes. It matters!” In his 1814 four-volume legal work he warned: “If we reflect on the dreadful consequences of sodomy to a state, and on the extent to which this abdominal vice may be secretly carried on and spread, we cannot, on the principles of sound policy, consider the punishment to sever. For if it once begins to prevail … it must soon lose all its shamefulness and infamy and become fashionable and the national taste; and then … national weakness, for which all remedies are ineffectual … Whoever, therefore, wishes to ruin a nation, has only to get this vice introduced; for it is extremely difficult to extirpate it where it has taken root … and when we perceive that its has once got a footing in any country, however powerful and flourishing, we may venture as politicians to predict that the foundation of its future decline is laid and after some hundred years it will no longer be the same … powerful country it is at present.”A nation decays when God get shoved aside all in the name of political correctness. Americans who desire to spare this nation from further decline must speak out, vote and pray that God will put in power those individuals who will resist the homosexual agenda.
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