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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2021 6:43:44 GMT -5
D" 1- Higher Laws – I thought your God was governed by the 10 Commandments The same rule as for man But morally the same laws of love, yes from the royal law, written in ways man could read.
What does it mean for God to have no other God What does it mean to remember the Sabbath – can God forget What does it mean for God to honor His parents Who would God commit adultery with Why would your God need to covet And if God is not allowed to murder – who kills all the people of the ahl And the SDA answer = the god satan is the god that does all the ra
D: 2- you argue 3 independent gods – they must be independent from one another so Love can exist Independent means what to you? DUH – word man – independent = NOT DEPENDENT
D" And this is the biggest point You argue that Jesus Christ cannot be God the Father R" Oh, so there are torah verses that say Jesus Christ is the Father? Show me one? DO your Greek investigation here:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
God=Word that was there in the beginning Word=Spirit with God = Holy Spirit And the Word is God = Christ and through the WORD all things were created
Psa 33:6 By Adonai’s word were the heavens made, and all their host by the breath of His mouth.
Jer 23:29 “Is not My word like fire?” says Adonai, “or like a hammer that shatters rock? Ooops! Your God is doing ra again
First Book of Adam and Eve (in print in the Temple 500 years before Jesus) 3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen. 2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
Who is the Word that created all things = Christ – who is God
This is foundational to Christianity – no room for any disagreement Jesus Christ was (God +(man)) This is why Jesus Christ is the ultimate sacrifice Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son – (a biological function) Man is also the Sons of God – why aren’t man called begotten sons? Angels were made by God – they are also called sons – why not begotten sons Answer – because they were not begotten (biologically) they were created in heaven as part of the host of heaven on Day 1
Gen 2:4 (YLT) These are births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;
These are the toledot of HaShomayim and of Ha'Aretz when they were created, in the Yom that Hashem Elohim made Eretz v’Shomayim,
However your Gnostic writings write, the HS without her consort, is really a false writing. You believe the expressions of the Father can become independent and thus express alone from the Father. I do not support this idea:
Mar 13:32 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven nor the Son, except the Father.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, except the Father alone.
I know you do not support scripture – you use this as proof that Jesus cannot be God Just as you use it as proof the Holy Spirit cannot be God
You are so busy denying God – and defending your satan god - when do you find the time to Praise?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 14:22:31 GMT -5
“No Messiah, I won’t let you be killed!” (Matthew 16:21–22) Peter just got through saying that Yeshua was the Messiah, and then tried to stop Him from fulfilling His destiny. He did not understand that the Messiah’s purpose was to be the lamb of God led to the slaughter, who would suffer for the sins of the world and save their souls for eternity. (See Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 12.) For that emotional outburst, Yeshua called Peter, Satan! Imagine that. Don’t we often try to stop ourselves from fulfilling our own destiny? Why do we do that? Like Peter, we focus on avoiding short-term pain at the expense of completing long-term plans. In Yeshua’s case, God had a plan for Him that was set in motion at the creation of the world (Revelation 13:8) and prophesied throughout the Tanakh (Old Testament), such as in Genesis 3:15 and Genesis 22.
The above coming from Messanic Jews articles I receive often by email. So Jesus called Peter Satan, Hmm? The text does not say that?
Jews believe in modalism. It seems so do you.
D" What does it mean for God to have no other God What does it mean to remember the Sabbath – can God forget What does it mean for God to honor His parents Who would God commit adultery with Why would your God need to covet And if God is not allowed to murder – who kills all the people of the ahl
R " Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods (elohiym is written as plural) before me.
How can elohiym be written as plural, when elohiym is already plural when singular?
Gordon the Jew speaks of majestic plurals, whatever that means...
Could the term mean "do not have other family powers before my face?"
Sabbath is about ceasing, and is time related. Elohiym also ceased and was refreshed, using the verb form of nephesh.
So the purpose of ceasing time, is to allow time for energizing. Obviously this is also required by elohiym power too. But I am not sure of this idea, we need to be careful how we speak of the mystery we cannot fathom, so forgive my failings.
If elohiym means family power, than we are asked to respect elohiym family power as a family, which is a simile of human family on earth. See Ephesians 3:10 to 16
No adultery refers to a narrow term, but in the judgement refers to all forms of disrespecting relationships. With you idea of modalism, you are disrespecting elohiym powers has relationships of love within elohiym, just as similes of love within human families. The principle here is elohiym familt power respects relationships. This means elohiym is relational, as when it says elohiym is love, requires family power to be relational.
Covet refers to desire only eloihyim powers, not other powers. The highest desire of the elohiym is the Father, eloah. We come to the Father, via the Son. Scripture says. We pray to Jesus and Jesus carries our prayers to our Father in heaven.
No wounding does not mean no murder. It refers to the respect for living. If living only comes from elohiym, than surely elohiym can end living, if you choose to end living yourself by not obeying His love. God only gives you want you ask for.... A sinner would not want to live in heaven near GOD anyway....Only sinless beings will want to.
D" Psa 33:6 By Adonai’s word were the heavens made, and all their host by the breath of His mouth
R" If modalism was desired here as you claim this would be written as
By Adonai’s word were the heavens made, and all their host by the "n@shamah" of His mouth
But the text does not say this.
If a family model was desired, as the torah reads, the text is written like this
By Adonai’s word were the heavens made, and all their host by the "ruwach" of His mouth
The eloah, the ruwach and the ben, are all names of members in a family elohiym.
D" This is foundational to Christianity – no room for any disagreement Jesus Christ was (God +(man))
R Why don't you write it correctly to your view of modalism ?
Jesus Christ was (Father +(man))
D" I know you do not support scripture – you use this as proof that Jesus cannot be God Just as you use it as proof the Holy Spirit cannot be God R Why do you write so badly?
Jesus is of the divine family of the great uncaused cause. The Father is of the divine family of the great uncaused cause. The SHadday is of the divine family of the great uncaused cause.
As sinless beings, they are not written as "they", though Gen 1:26 does use the term "us" they are considered as echad, one Being, but three personalities of loving.
I ask you how many differently styles of loving are there reduced to it's minimum number?
Answer three. Provider love, Responder love and Collective love.
Where does this idea come from, Jonathan Sarfetti, a wonderful scholar who is Jewish too I might add. And I love listening to him. Not all Jews think like you do Dave.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 20, 2021 5:44:48 GMT -5
Jews believe in modalism. It seems so do you.
KJV = 0 verses found How can this be a theological principle – the word does not exist in the KJV
Of course I accept modalism – but do not use the term
R " Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods (elohiym is written as plural) before me. How can elohiym be written as plural, when elohiym is already plural when singular? You are a word man – you are unable to tell the difference between gods (small g – a created being) and God (with a capital G – the Creator)
Words can only mean one specific thing – no polysemy – so the word god cannot refer to two groups
Gordon the Jew speaks of majestic plurals, whatever that means... If Gordon is a Jew – then this majestic plurality would be – dualism Male God on His throne – and the female shekinah that goes out among the people as Spirit But you deny this
D" This is foundational to Christianity – no room for any disagreement Jesus Christ was (God +(man)) R Why don't you write it correctly to your view of modalism ? Jesus Christ was (Father +(man)) YES CORRECT – (God = Christ + (animal man)) Jesus Christ was God incarnate – YES CORRECT
Where does this idea come from, Jonathan Sarfetti, a wonderful scholar who is Jewish too I might add. And I love listening to him. Not all Jews think like you do Dave.
Again – let me say – in case someone is not listening or paying attention If you say Christian – you are refereeing to over 2500 different groups and doctrines If you say Jewish – you are basically speaking of two groups
Pharisees that believe in the spirit and the afterlife These are the Jews of the Kabbalah and Chabad and mainstream today Hasidic – the DNA gene pool of the Ashkenazi Jews
Sadducees that do or believe in spirit or afterlife – they only observe Law These are Talmudic Jews – ultra-orthodox – cannot use a phone on the Sabbath or drive a car
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 13:59:05 GMT -5
I am glad you admit your idea is modalism.
Read my other links on modalism.
I prefer to follow the ideas of my friend the Jew, Jonathon Sarfetti.
He has similar views to me, as I see GOD as provider love, responder love and collective love.
My problem with modalism is relational love cannot be generated within GOD, hence GOD is not love under your idea of modalism.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 20, 2021 14:17:13 GMT -5
YES Robert – I BELIEVE IN ONLY ONE TRUE GOD
AND I AM PROUD OF IT – AND I WITNESS IT TO THE WORLD!You say you need multiple gods so they can love one another You say these multiple gods of good are then in a war against the god of evil A pantheon of many gods just like ancient pagan religons Dave writes: " See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that?
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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2021 11:43:18 GMT -5
Dave is stating that Jesus Christ is an expression of the Father, is not correct.Dave is just repeating mainstream Christianity - and the Trinitywww.learnreligions.com/basic-christian-beliefs-700357Get to Know the Basic Beliefs of Christianity
Core Christian beliefs are summarized in the gospel of Jesus Christ While many theological differences exist among Christians, most hold a set of beliefs in common
God the Father There is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Galatians 4:8-9). God is omniscient, meaning he "knows all things" (Acts 15:18; 1 John 3:20). God is omnipotent, meaning he is "all-powerful" (Psalm 115:3; Revelation 19:6). God is omnipresent, meaning he is "present everywhere" (Jeremiah 23:23, 24; Psalm 139). God is sovereign (Zechariah 9:14; 1 Timothy 6:15-16). God is holy (1 Peter 1:15). God is just or "righteous" (Psalm 19:9, 116:5, 145:17; Jeremiah 12:1). God is love (1 John 4:8). God is true (Romans 3:4; John 14:6). God is the creator of everything that exists (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 44:24). God is infinite and eternal. He has always been and will ever be God (Psalm 90:2; Genesis 21:33; Acts 17:24). God is immutable. He does not change (James 1:17; Malachi 3:6; Isaiah 46:9-10).
The Trinity God is three in one or a Trinity; God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; John 14:16-17; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Acts 2:32-33, John 10:30,17:11, 21; 1 Peter 1:2).
Jesus Christ the Son Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14, 10:30-33, 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 1:8). Jesus was born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:26–35). Jesus Christ became a man (Philippians 2:1-11). Jesus is fully God and fully man (Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus Christ is perfect and sinless (1 Peter 2:22; Hebrews 4:15). Jesus is the only way to God the Father (John 14:6; Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).
The Holy Spirit God is Spirit (John 4:24). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 13:14).Dave is just repeating mainstream Christianity - and the TrinityThere is only one GodGod is Spirit The Holy Spirit is GodJesus Christ is God Jesus is fully GodThe Trinity God is three in one or a Trinity; God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy SpiritDave is just repeating mainstream Christianity - and the TrinityMainstream Christinity does NOT support 3 different gods worlking together so love can exist between them as Robert preaches Mainstream Christianity does NOT support Roberts idea that Christ died on the cross and is still in the grave in some way as Ellen White teaches Mainstream Christianity does support that as Jesus the Son of Man died a mortal death upon the cross- the spirit of Christ was released back into God's hands and then went to preach in HADES to those that died at the time of Noah. Dave is just repeating mainstream Christianity - and the TrinityRobert is just attacking mainstream Christianity as a good SDA Christian is taught to do
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2021 20:22:38 GMT -5
You deny a real Father and a real Son. We are warned this idea is antichrist. The fact is GOD is comprised of a real Father and a real Son, your video by Chuck Missler says the exact same thing, the us and they, members of the Godhead, the same words any SDA person uses. You do not have a video explaining your GOD expressing itself as three expressions. You deny a literal Father and a literal Son. You have instead a pretend father expression and a pretend son expression coming from a single cardinally one divine Being. youtu.be/fBms0reMuVUJesus is Our Divine Creator - Biblical Reasons Why Jesus is God - Episode 4 Right now – there is a Christian spiritual revival in Iran and spreading to all the Arab world Did Islam give them the faith to believe in Jesus as the Messiah? or is the Holy Spirit touching people right before our eyes?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:09:21 GMT -5
youtu.be/fBms0reMuVU Jesus is Our Divine Creator - Biblical Reasons Why Jesus is God - Episode 4 Some teach Jesus was created, a god, not THE GOD Colossian 1:16 first born of creation, all things created how can Jesus create Himself created all things both in heaven and earth, all things. through him and for him even demons are created good and bad through him, even UFO's 3:52 our friends JW and Muslim. argue that is not divine Jesus made the world, by the power of his word, Hebrews 1 God the Father calling His son God, your God has anionted you. Heb 1:8-10
I am glad it's a short video, 12 minutes is too long, I agree with all of this except 3:52 Who is this author of this video? Jesus made all things. 10:56
The beginning the end. His glory. The Father Lord has sent me. Jesus is a Creator, not a Creature. OK
now discuss this statement " even demons are created good and bad through him, even UFO's 3:52" Question "All things created by Him"
So all the words of the wicked person that are spoken, were they created by Jesus too? Or did Jesus just create the person, who chose to become wicked and thus speak wicked words which Jesus do not create? Where does wicked words come from? is this a part of the all things created by Him? Your favorite verse Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these God creates RA. What does this mean? God forms light, but does not create light? What does this mean? God does not form darkness, but creates darkness? Form, something natural and nice with God Create, something unnatural and not nice with God? Hmm? Create all things....what does this mean? Light was never created, it's a part of God already. Looking over create "bara" hardly any mentioned in Genesis Notice the human Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, Same term in Isaiah 45 Man is both formed and created. What does this mean? Notice I now take the term "Jesus created ALL things" into a deeper level. Man was both created and formed. What does this mean? How is darkness related to light? Isaiah 45 makes them contrast. I form light, but create darkness. Jesus formed Adam but also created Adam. If darkness is something unnatural to light, what does this mean? SO I have given you some starters on this theme, You ignore other scripture who also speak of light verses dark, ie 1 John See my studies on this spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmShalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 3, 2021 22:29:39 GMT -5
now discuss this statement Question "All things created by Him" So all the words of the wicked person that are spoken, were they created by Jesus too? "even demons are created good and bad through him, even UFO's 3:52" YES – there is nothing created that was not created by Him (John 1:3)
Your favorite verse – Isa 45:7 YES – there is nothing created that was not created by Him (John 1:3)
It is all God’s Will – all God’s Plan
did Jesus just create the person, who chose to become wicked – YES
Where does wicked words come from? Easy answer = selfishness = (yester ra)
is this a part of the all things created by Him? Yes – all biology comes with (yester ra) the instinct to preserve SELF
God creates RA. What does this mean? Jeff Brenner gave me the best answer Tov = the movement toward God Ra = the movement away from God
God forms light, but does not create light? What does this mean? Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Sounds like creation to me
Create all things....what does this mean? DUH – only you spend so much time denying scripture
I am glad it's a short video, 12 minutes is too long, I agree with all of this except 3:52 WHAT – I feel excited – with a big grin on my face listening to this I have not sent these guys any money – but thinking about it
Who is this author of this video? You sit there in your Christian country and your Christian neighborhood and try to play word games with scripture
This guy and his group is in the middle of the Middle East promoting Christ and bad mouthing Islam at the same time He is on fire for the Lord – he cannot speak with his energy showing Just look at his website and all the anti-Islam video he posts
Do you remember Salman Rushdie - 1988? I do Do you remember Charlie Hebdo - 2015? I do Do you remember what I told you in private?
I have so much respect for their ministry
Who is this author of this video? CIRA International Description Al Fadi, former Wahabbi Muslim from Saudi Arabia and the founder of CIRA International: The Center for Islamic Research and Awareness. He is the researcher, editor, writer, and translator for numerous ministries, including "Answering Islam" and runs an outreach ministry designed for non-Muslim and Christians.
You claim that faith is a long slow building process over time How can you deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the world?
Millions of Muslims are Converting to Christianity After Having Dreams and Visions of Jesus Christ Nov 29, 2021 - Dinesh D'Souza
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 23:28:18 GMT -5
Your video you posted" Muslims convert to Christianity Not allowed under Muslim rules Why is it happening? Extreme nature, they force you dreams and visions of Jesus Christ, many of a shinning man telling them about Jesus God is doing some remarkable work helping Muslims become supporters of HimJoe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: to God be the glory --------------------------------- D" Where does wicked words come from? Easy answer = selfishness = (yester ra)R" Yes, but did God create those wicked words the created creature spoke against God, or did the created creature speak those words of sin using his own power? In other words, God did not create the words of sin, (the emotional and cursive thoughts of these words) the created creature spoke, or did the created creature spoke those words himself? Sure GOD created the vessel of yester ra, so the created creature could be observed and perceived by others, to sin; if the created creature chose to sin, but God did not create the wicked words the creature (God created) spoke. His words of sin, came from himself moving away from God. You use the term Jeff Benner taught that ra is a term, to say humans move away from God and become more dysfunctional. It is a fruit of their sinning. The author who says God created the evil and bad creatures is totally wrong. Evil and bad thinking does not come from God, nor is anything of God, though God created the ability for this type of thinking to exist. Such thinking or negative entropy is moving away from God. Where does such terrible negative emotions or moving way from God come from? Not from God. Scripture does not say where or why such negative entropy came from, only that it can happen because of free will choice to sin, or miss having God's power in your life. Where does a shadow of darkness come from? Sure the darkness is created by God? What does this mean? In order for a umbra shadow to exist, God must reduce the quantity of his power as light, allow the person to walk away from his power, and become a medium so others can perceive the sinner as having ra in his life. If these things do not happen, an umbra shadow is not observed, or perceived. Why does the umbra shadow exist in the first place? Not because of inherit negative entropy as some claim, but because the creature wants to miss having God in his life. This term is called sin, to miss. Such ra, or missing power from God, is NOT inherit negative entropy, or some by product of creation, as if God is unable to create utopia, it is simply the result of the creature choosing to miss having God's power in his life, which Scripture calls sin. So in summary, GOD did not create SIN or the emotions and fruits of SINNING. When it says ALL things were created by Jesus, it refers to ALL the creatures were originally created holy, sinless and perfect in a Utopian world, including all creatures, originally there were no creatures choosing to sin, no such thing as satan, no such thing as a meat eating shark. NO such thing as a meat eating lion. Or a poisonous spider. All things were created perfect. Not a thorny plant anywhere. The female mozzie drank nectar like its male counterpart does to this day. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2021 1:02:30 GMT -5
Muslims convert to Christianity dreams and visions of Jesus Christ, many of a shinning man telling them about Jesus God is doing some remarkable work helping Muslims become supporters of Him Joe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: to God be the glory Ok – back to your question – is practicing belief over time the only way to be saved?Luthertarians teaches – it is your responsibility – you must want it – ad you must choose it Presbyterian Calvinism teaches – predestination – some were called from the beginning of the world God can reach down and grab anyone he wants (Paul, Moses) – or messes with anyone He wants (job) You have been denying this for two years - no spirit--------------------------------- D"Where does wicked words come from?Easy answer = selfishness = (yester ra)R" Yes, but did God create those wicked words - Nope – just the potential man does the restSure GOD created the vessel of yester ra, so the created creature could be observed and perceived by others, to sin; if the created creature chose to sin, but God did not create the wicked words the creature (God created) spoke. His words of sin, came from himself moving away from God. Ok – I agree IF man has a free and independent spiritOtherwise you teach that it is the HS that chooses and walk away for GodSo in summary, GOD did not create SIN Nope sin entered the world through man (Adam and Eve)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 15:50:42 GMT -5
RP" Sure GOD created the vessel of yester ra, so the created creature could be observed and perceived by others, to sin; if the created creature chose to sin, but God did not create the wicked words the creature (God created) spoke. His words of sin, came from himself moving away from God.D" Ok – I agree IF man has a free and independent spiritR" OK than GOD doesn't create the evil that comes out of the man choosing to do evil. Such evil deeds and thoughts come from the man himself. D" sin entered the world through man (Adam and Eve)R" correct. But this is NOT the only creature to have sinned. Other creatures God created sinless also chose to sin, a verse you ignore. Rabbi Apple the Jew from Australia agrees with me that some cherubims sinned long ago before man even existed. But you choose to ignore this idea... Why? Because you have lots of Gnostics writings that oppose the one tiny verse in Ezekiel. And the huge number of Gnostic writings must be right, and the Hebrew tiny verse must be wrong. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2021 17:25:49 GMT -5
R" OK than GOD doesn't create the evil that comes out of the man choosing to do evil. Such evil deeds and thoughts come from the man himself.Correct – God is not responsible for your actions - YOU are responsible for your own actions You keep trying to pass the blame off to your satan – he made you – he ruled you – he makes the raD"sin entered the world through man (Adam and Eve) R" correct. But this is NOT the only creature to have sinned. Other creatures God created sinless also chose to sin, a verse you ignore.Ezk 28 is all about man – in heaven – in Eden – cherished by God – perfect – until sin happened later NOT about the Beast of revelation that just appeared fully formed in aplurality ready to devour and consumeRabbi Apple the Jew from Australia agrees with me that some cherubims sinned long ago before man even existed. But you choose to ignore this idea... Why?IS THIS RE-ROMAN EVIDENCE – I can find a SDA that will tell you Allah is godBecause you have lots of Gnostics writings that oppose the one tiny verse in Ezekiel.AND – precept upon precept, line upon line my Gnostic text agree with the bulk of scriptureYou still have only two words and Catholic doctrine
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 14:42:26 GMT -5
D"Ezk 28 is all about man – in heaven – in Eden – cherished by God – perfect – until sin happened later
R" I would agree with this. But answer me one question, why is the cherub also mentioned in Ezekiel 28?
I get the impression God is "revealing in vision" this for his prophet, so we see a parallel between the actions of a sinning human and the actions of a sinning cherub. Both of these creatures are different, but also similar, they both have sinned.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2021 16:23:10 GMT -5
I get the impression God is "revealing in vision" this for his prophet, so we see a parallel between the actions of a sinning human and the actions of a sinning cherub. Both of these creatures are different, but also similar, they both have sinned. This is the assumption Rome makes to invent their Fallen Angel doctrine
The Jewish view is that man – was the guardian (cherub) of the Garden Also a 100% correct translation – use of the word guardian Also a correct view – the Jewish view held long before Rome And a view that is supported by all scripture – precept upon precept, line upon line
While your Hebrew satan idea just is not supported by the ahl and the agl satanas is of different origin Your Hebrew satan idea does not fit with Gnostic John’s Revelation Your Hebrew satan idea teaches a weak God and even his angels can fall from His Grace Your Hebrew satan idea promotes evolution of angels – so you can justify evolution of KINDS Both ideas – an abomination to the sovereignty of God
But the important issue for is – it was not the theology of audience of Jesus Christ or His disciples -= the men that knew Him best – God incarnate
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