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Post by Virginia on Nov 8, 2012 16:20:10 GMT -5
Let me say up front that I don't believe this but here is the story. Last night Jesse Ventura (ex Governor of Minnesota) did a show about lizard people who morf into humans.
Jesse does not believe this but decided to investigate any way. There are people who think all the Presidents that are alive along with the Queen of England are alien lizards. They claim by looking at films of these people you can see where their eyes become slanted and look like lizard eyes. These lizard aliens are off spring of the Onanaki.Let me know what you think?
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Post by Virginia on Nov 8, 2012 18:24:52 GMT -5
Jesse Ventura talked to David Icke and wanted to see one of the lizard people but Icke could not tell him where to find one. Icke makes 2 million a year on books and lectures. His lectures can last 9 hrs. I would not listen to anyone talk for 9 hrs--not even myself.
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Post by Dave on Nov 8, 2012 21:16:44 GMT -5
I do believe this – I believe this very much indeed!
David Ike was an English Soccer player. Then one day he was walking down the sidewalk in England and turned the corner. There, standing directly in front of him was a Reptilian Alien. Who immediately morphed into a well-dressed human and walked away.
David Ike told everyone he knew – and they all thought him crazy. However 20 yrs later he is an author and lecturer and featured speaker at many UFO / Alien conferences.
The Zuni, Hopi, and Navaho Indians all have stories of shape shifters. Hindu and Greek ancient stories also speak about shape shifters. Remember, I currently work at an Indian Reservation. I could introduce you to several people here between the ages of 40 and 70 that will confirm shape shifting spirits are alive and well within their cultures
It is impossible to believe that biological cells morph from one species into another! It is impossible as far as I know! Yet, all these stories from many different cultures and from many different time periods in history. There has to be something to it.
Gnostic scripture: "The Archons cast a trance over Adam which caused him to be sleepy, but it was his perception they dulled ... They make our hearts heavy that we may not pay attention and may not see. So we loose the reflection of the Divine Light within us ... The Archons burden the soul, attracting us to works of evil, and pull us down into oblivion, make us forget who we are. (The Apocrypha of John II 22: 14-10, though 27-20.)" (metahistory.org/Gnostic Catechism)
“it was his perception they dulled … " – How many alien encounter stories have we all read where the aliens caused a paralyzing trace to come over the abductee? In the movie which I highly recommend, “The Fourth Kind”, the abductees could never remember what they saw except the image of an Owl staring at them through the window. In the mini-series, “Taken”, staring little Dakota Fanning, they make the point that the aliens were mentally powerful enough to cause mass hallucinations. An entire military group saw and shot down a flying saucer, went inside of it, watched as it rose again and destroyed everything in sight. Only to realize later that – nothing had happened at all. No crash site! The destruction they witnessed and ran away from never happened – it was all an illusion placed into their minds by one little girl.
The power of the mind is something we humans can only speculate about. Hypnosis is just a parlor trick to us – yet, even disbelievers end up quacking like a duck on stage.
So, do I believe these creatures can morph from one cellular structure to another – NO
But – they can make us believe we are seeing anything they want!
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2013 0:17:17 GMT -5
The Second Treatise of the Great Seth This is a record of a revelation style dialog delivered by Jesus Christ to a group of post resurrection followers. Author unknown. Discovered in 1947 as part of the Nag Hammadi Library. Jesus Christ says, “And I subjected all their powers. For as I came downward, no one saw me. For I was altering my shapes, changing from form to form. And therefore, when I was at their gates, I assumed their likeness. For I passed them by quietly, and I was viewing the places, and I was not afraid nor ashamed, for I was undefiled. And I was speaking with them, mingling with them through those who are mine, and trampling on those who are harsh to them with zeal, and quenching the flame. And I was doing all these things because of my desire to accomplish what I desired by the will of the Father above."
Those who know me personally, know that I just spent a year and a half working at the Colville Indian Reservation in Washington state. Home to all of the American Big Foot legends. Their belief systems all include shape shifters. Demon to man or animal. The older the population the stronger these beliefs are held. All of them are convinced that this is exactly why we have never captured a Big Foot, and never will.
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Post by Virginia on Aug 13, 2013 10:53:06 GMT -5
I never believed in shape shifters until just recently. One man walking in the forest came across a big foot and shot it square in the beings chest. Well it just went "poof" and was gone.
I saw another incident on tv where a family who lived in the wilderness. There were 9 people in the house. Aliens came to the house and would peak in the windows. The family shot these beings but they did not die. Would just disappear and then would be back unharmed.
There is a famous battle in LA between the military and UFO's and all the bullets in the world could not harm the UFO. Scared our military to the point that we are vunerable to these beings and do not stand a chance when in a fight with them.
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2013 12:52:06 GMT -5
The Apocryphon of John (The Secret Book of John - The Secret Revelation of John) Have been reading this particular text over and over, it is a big part of chapter 8, of Book #2. This text is written by the same John that wrote the Gospel of Jon, the Three Epistles of John, and the Book of Revelations. Many days after, or even months after, the Resurrection; John is troubled Pondering the many things told to him by Jesus. Then Jesus appears to John: “Straightway, while I was contemplating these things, behold, the heavens opened and the whole creation which is below heaven shone, and the world was shaken. I was afraid, and behold I saw in the light a youth who stood by me. While I looked at him, he became like an old man. And he changed his likeness (again), becoming like a servant. There was not a plurality before me, but there was a likeness with multiple forms in the light, and the likenesses appeared through each other, and the likeness had three forms.
He said to me, "John, John, why do you doubt, or why are you afraid? You are not unfamiliar with this image, are you? - that is, do not be timid! - I am the one who is with you (pl.) always. I am the Father, I am the Mother, I am the Son. I am the undefiled and incorruptible one …”My take on this:There are several examples of human’s being witness to creatures with multiple forms. Christ being transfigured on the mount is one. The vision of Ezekiel 1:-20 Steven looks into heaven in Acts. These examples are not necessarily “Shape Shifting.” These examples are humans getting a glimpse of these heavenly beings multidimensionality. However, not having an understanding of multidimensionality, these events are interpreted as “Shape Shifting.” Angles coming to earth and seen as men, like when they appeared to Abraham and lot, are example of taking human forms – i.e. Shape Shifting. The question that remains with every example is – Did these being actually become human? Or did the people looking at them just see them as human? I really like the example from the movie, “The Fourth Kind.” The aliens planted an image of an Owl into the minds of thee abductees. Even under hypotonic regression therapy these abductees could never see what was happening, because all they could remember was the image of the Owl. Attachments:
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Post by Stella on Aug 14, 2013 11:16:18 GMT -5
Peter is rescued from prison.
Acts 12: 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists. 8 Then the angel said to him, “Put on your clothes and sandals.” And Peter did so. “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,” the angel told him. 9 Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision. 10 They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city. It opened for them by itself, and they went through it. When they had walked the length of one street, suddenly the angel left him. 11 Then Peter came to himself …
Years ago we had a guest speak who spent the entire service talking about Peter's rescue. Peter didn't realize what was happening. He thought it a dream or a vision, which makes the story much more interesting than just the angel and Peter being super quit and stealthy.
The chains fell off Peter’s wrist. They probably went made noise as they fell to the floor. Peter probably made noise as he put on his cloak and sandals. The iron gate probably went “creek” as it opened and then closed. Yet no one heard or saw a thing.
Our guest speaker suggested there was two possible answers. Everyone around Peter in the prison was stunned so they couldn't see or hear anything. Or Peter, himself, was transformed; transfigured, altered is some way that allowed the chains to fall off without being unlocked. Like Peter was changed into a ghost or spirit. Then the gate never actually opened and shut, but the angel and Peter just walked through it. Once safely away the angel left Peter and he came to himself.
Either way it is an amazing story. We never discuss the esoteric meaning of these stories. We just respect the power of the Lord. Most of what you guys talk about here is over my head, but I though you would like this story.
As for shape shifting itself, does Lot’s wife turning into a pillar of salt qualify?
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Post by Virginia on Aug 14, 2013 16:52:06 GMT -5
Whoe Dave. When you said "OWL" I got cold chills up and down my arms.
In one of the tv shows by Brad Meltzer he had a show about the Bilderberg group and one of their meetings in the Bohemian Grove in California. This is a secret meeting but several people have infiltrated the compound and found that the Bilderbergs worship a giant owl statue.
No one could understand the significance of an Owl. SOOOOOOOO is this Owl something to do with Aliens?
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Post by steve on Aug 14, 2013 17:37:25 GMT -5
Peter is rescued from prison. ...Either way it is an amazing story. It is a great story! There are many other supernatural stories that defy our logic and physical paradigm. Samson and hair, Jacob and demon, Jonah and tree, Elijah and running, Noah and deluge, Enoch and angels, Balaam and donkey, Nebuchadnezzar and beast, etc. Lots of amazing stories in the bible to give us glimpses into what rewards and life awaits those who are faithful. God Bless Steve
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Post by dissenter on Nov 21, 2013 16:34:25 GMT -5
What would aliens ever get from controlling a species random planet? Money? That is only relevant to us humans. "Power?" Power is an illusion created so politicians/monarchs will conform to their social roles...the rulers have to believe in themselves just as much as the ruled.
Every system of value and meaning we have is an irrelevant social construction. We create it all to control ourselves. You want to see the slave masters? Look in a mirror. "Reality" is a system created in our brains to make gene expression easier...truth doesn't exist, only will and idea.
That being said, I would be willing to work for aliens. First of all, that would be awesome. Second of all, humans do not deserve freedom...look at how we treat each other and the world around us.
We have nothing to offer a race that came from a different planet, and even less to offer inhabitants of a hypothetical other dimension.
The reason so many cultures have similar myths is that every human uses the same neural pattern to process external stimuli...we all share the same basic psychological tendencies, so we all create similar mythos to explain what we do not understand.
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2013 23:58:36 GMT -5
Dear DissenterThanks for the questions. First off let me say that over the last 8 years or so I have had this same conversations with several people from around the world. It is very obvious by education and world choices that you are a product of the Western Roman Tradition. Because of that let me say, I do not blame you for your disbelief in Roman Mythology – I don’t believe in it either. As for your questions: What would aliens ever get from controlling a species random planet? Money? That is only relevant to us humans. "Power?" Power is an illusion created so politicians/monarchs will conform to their social roles...the rulers have to believe in themselves just as much as the ruled.You are correct in questioning the alien agenda in human terms. Money and power, as we humans think of, would be totally irrelevant to a space culture. The first question has to be – what do we mean by the term alien? Are we talking about life forms that evolved independently on another planet and have the technology to come here? The reported evidence indicates that there are many alien species types from presumably many different locations. The recorded evidence also suggests that some of them have always been a part of humanity’s history (ancient aliens, space gods, and such). It is interesting that the oldest writing on this planet (cuneiform tablets from Samaria) reads much like a sci-fi novel. If they are just life forms that evolved independently on another planets, isn’t it interesting that they all have the exact same modus operandi, with regards to making themselves known, i.e. remaining clandestine like some secret black ops operation that has lasted some 5000 years? Even if we carry the diseases that would wipe them out, as in War of the Worlds, what is to be gained from remaining hidden? Two possible agendas are proposed. The first, being that of a caretaker of our species. Not necessarily helping us achieve, but to prevent us from destroying ourselves. What could be their motive? Perhaps they see some hope for our future and their aim is to preserve of our species is a very altruistic hope. Perhaps they have a use for us in our future. Hope for our future – Will humanity ever grow into what we dream we can be – I doubt it. Use for us in the future - You say, “We have nothing to offer a race that came from a different planet, and even less to offer inhabitants of a hypothetical other dimension.” Perhaps we are just mice in a maze for them. Valery Uvarov the leading UFO investigator from Russia claims that they are studying us to understand their own place within the universe. Perhaps we are an excellent source of genetic material as many UFOers claim. We raise plants and animals to harvest medicines from, could they be mining the human body for something valuable to their existence? Here is a web-site that list about 260 different medicine and medical additives we use ourselves made from animals - www.peta.org/living/beauty/animal-ingredients-list/Maybe they are just waiting for us to kill ourselves off and their goal may simply be the preservation of our planet. Earth type planets would be a valuable commodity in the galactic realm. If they are not life forms that evolved independently on another planets, but a part of our own creation story; then the same two possible agenda still exist: caretakers or users. Every system of value and meaning we have is an irrelevant social construction. We create it all to control ourselves. You want to see the slave masters? Look in a mirror. "Reality" is a system created in our brains to make gene expression easier...truth doesn't exist, only will and idea."Reality" is a system created in our brains …truth doesn't exist? Is this is a statement about theology, or about physicality? If it is about physicality, then I disagree. Laws of Nature exist for all of us. Energy behaves exactly the same for you as it does for me. Electricity behaves exactly the same for you as it does for me. If "Reality" is a system created in our brains, isn’t it fascinating that we share the same reality of physicality? Even if the entire universe is nothing more than a holographic expression, we all share the same reality of physicality! Does this not indicate that we all share a common consciousness? If the Laws of Nature do not exist for you, then I am at a loose and do not know what to say. For me the Laws of Nature do exist. Science has proven what it can do by the very fact that we are communicating via microwave and electricity. Although it has stood on many false conceptions over the years, the end product of science has done an excellent job of describing the measurable. The Big Bang has provided a plausible mechanism for our physicality. Regardless if you are a particle physicist, string theorist, or an M-Theory supporter the moment before creation begins is described as a singularity. AND according to the First Law of Thermodynamics (energy cannot be created or destroyed, only translated or transmuted) that originating singularity must contain all the energy of the universe. A singularity that then expands and ultimately yields matter. Science is only concerned with what is measurable. However, I believe there is more to our total experience than just measurable energy and matter. Edgar Casey was an American clairvoyant healer that gave over 14000 reading from a trance state, in which he claimed access to a galactic consciousness. His record of accuracy yields a level of credibility that cannot be denied. I have a friend that always offers Nostradamus as an example of the same prophetic phenomena. Paranormal events, ghost, spirits are all non-measurable data that must be added into the mix of creation whether by Big Bang or another mechanism. Including all knowledge, all data, all consciousness to that originating singularity that contains all energy makes that phenomena both omniscience and omnipotent. The next step in creation is expansion that forms the omnipresent matrix or membrane that our 3D physicality is built upon. Even if you want to point out that the universe had no initial origin, but simple collapses upon itself and regenerates itself again over and over – then I’ll remind you that by the strictest definition of the that first dimensional singularity is a line that exist into eternity in both past and future experience. It is this very definition of our 3D physicality that intrigues me. The first dimension is an omnipotent and omniscience singularity that exists in infinite time. The second dimension is the omnipresent planar reality that forms the membrane or matrix for our 3D physicality to exist. Judeao-Christian theology is the only theology that also embraces a 3-dimensional higher power in the trinity. It also describes that 3-dimensiol higher power as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. As for your reference to “… a hypothetical other dimension …” – I am a mutidimesnionalist the last two or three statements defines this. In fact, I support 10-dimensions of space and one of time. Why – because the most current science also mathematically supports 10D of space and 1 of time. As well as, the oldest written document on planet earth. Enoch spoke of 10D, the Jewish Zohar written in the 2nd or 3rd century BC speak of 10 heavens and of 10 celestial realms. Hebrew has 10 names for God as well as 10 names for heaven. Given that 3 of those Ds are this 3D realm even the 7 heavens of Islam and the Hindi add up to 10D. It is this commonality of theme between measurable physicality and theology that validate the theology experience for me personally, especially as represented within the Judeo-Christian scripture. However my similarity with Western Tradition Romanology ends there. Western Tradition Romanology does not include all the data. It omits Enoch and all Messianic Tradition in order to promote its on man-made religion. You stated, “… humans do not deserve freedom ... look at how we treat each other and the world around us.” What do you mean by freedom? Has humanity ever been any different? Things today may seem in chaos, but ask someone from WWI France if it was any better then. Ask someone from 1990s Ruwanda. Or a Frank during the Roman occupation. Pick a time anywhere in human history and there is the same chaos. The freedom we do have is the personal choice to rise above it. The only other option is to throw in the towel and join in the hog-waller. The reason so many cultures have similar myths is that every human uses the same neural pattern to process external stimuli...we all share the same basic psychological tendencies, so we all create similar mythos to explain what we do not understand.3 points here – Similar mythos – it may appear from today perspective that all mythos blend into a common theme, but I am not sure that is an accurate analogy. Did Africa have the same mythos as Greece, or the east orient? If you assure me that it does, then I will point out that the very claim that “…we all share the same basic psychological tendencies …” may just be another way of saying we all share a common galactic consciousness. Lastly, “The reason so many cultures have similar myths …” could as easily be because that all originate from one single source in humanity's prehistory.
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Post by dissenter on Nov 22, 2013 2:02:49 GMT -5
Interesting points.
I won't go into the aniens vs. no aliens debate because both sides have evidence that seem plausible. I will just say that it seems to me a unlikely scenario for various reasons. At the end of the day, neither of us can provide solid empirical evidence.
For reality, perhaps I should define my terms...to me, reality is a mental projection far removed from the physical universe. It is true, we all are subject to the same basic physical laws; we cannot escape the substrate we find ourselves in. Yet the reality we live in is hardly representative of the objective universe. For example, memory is highly retroactive (your brain changes your memory to better explain your current experience). Perceptions are very filtered and changed by the time we experience them.
Although many myths seem quite different, I would argue that the only real difference is the modality of explanation; the heart of most stories are about the same basic things....but this isn't a discussion on the possible validity of Jungian archetypal projections, so never mind.
And, lastly, to truth: I consider truth to be a linguistic structure and little else. Physical laws are not truths. Truths are social constructions...but it's not surprising that we all share the same basic perceptions: we all live in the same universe. If the substrate is the same, we can assume that our neural patterns process them the same.
Anyway...I'm not really trying to start a debate here...my post was really just suppose to raise a point about inductive reasoning: it's creative, and very useful, yet unreliable.
A lot of new age/conspiracy/ect type people seem to rely too heavily on induction...I think critical theory is a useful tool.
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2013 4:20:13 GMT -5
Debate or discussion - either. This forum is dedicated to those questions that cannot be asked in a church or the classroom.
I will always try to illuminate the Gnostic theology in any discussion. Romanology has left society with so many unanswered questions. Most preachers will not engage in a discussion with an 8th grade science teacher and Romonalogy doesn't prepare them to do so. Romanology and its feel good, only does good, all caring presentation of God only leaves society asking if there is a God. How can there be a "all caring God" with all the evil that is lose upon the planet.
Eastern Tradition Christianity does not result in the same questions.
Creative inductive reasoning is a wonderful tool. I say there are a few things I believe that I take solely on faith. Everything else is cosmology. In cosmology all perspectives are up for grabs. However, the conclusions (for me) must fit within the totality of available information - meaning science and ancient literature (i.e. scripture - but not limited to Romes 'one book' canon)
Many of the perspectives you may consider New Age now, were originally Jewish commentary in books such as the Zohar, of which I am very fond.
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2013 13:43:40 GMT -5
Interesting points. For reality, perhaps I should define my terms...to me, reality is a mental projection far removed from the physical universe. It is true, we all are subject to the same basic physical laws; we cannot escape the substrate we find ourselves in. Yet the reality we live in is hardly representative of the objective universe. For example, memory is highly retroactive (your brain changes your memory to better explain your current experience). Perceptions are very filtered and changed by the time we experience them.Maybe I am not getting your point – teach me I have no problem with your statement here, but to me this just sound like an individual’s perception of their own reality. Example - An inmate of a prison is trapped by the physicality they find themselves in. However, their perception of their personal experience might include a paranoid fear that everyone dislikes him and is out to harm him in some way. While no one else around him has that same perception. Example – When I was 12, my perception of my father was he was a mean and intolerant man. However, now that I am pushing 60, I can look back on that era and understand his situation much clearer and my perception of him in hindsight is that he cared enough for me to punish me appropriately. Am I missing your point?
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2013 14:26:03 GMT -5
Having said this – let’s talk about UFOs, aliens and/or angels/demons.
UFOs – I am not referring to unidentified flying object that possible are totally explainable, but rather clearly seen and identified as flying space craft UFOs.
From their perspectives, there have been many examples of people that claim they SAW something.
In 1917, three Portuguese children saw the Madonna at Fatima. David Ike turned the corner and saw a Reptilian Admiral Byrd saw Nordic aliens Etc, etc, etc, by the thousands
These sighting change these people’s lives forever more. From my perspective, I might just think them crazy. Does my perspective (my reality) invalidate theirs?
How about mass sighting events of either angelic beings or UFOs? So now we have many people sharing the same perspective – is that validation enough to validate their reality?
Now back to my perspective. I have never seen anything. Does this mean then there are concurrent realities- or – one reality that I am just exempt from its total experience?
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