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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 15:14:03 GMT -5
RP" Explain to me why sinning is not evidence of free will? D" The BEAST is a BEAST – the only driving force within him – (yester ra) Just like every other BEAST of the field Just like Monkeys making a mess and shitting all over your life Why do you teach that all the animals are sinning by being alive – reproducing – or having children? R" You are misquoting your own Gnostic writings and twisting the words therein.
I quote" "and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety"
THis is the same boast as
"Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
The sentence has the word sinned. A creature sins. Baboons and cows do not "sin", they do RA yes, but their RA is not held accountable to them personally, hence one cannot say baboon and cows sin. But this chief archon sins.... go figure.
D" Why do you teach that all the animals are sinning by being alive – reproducing – or having children? R" Who's saying this? You are.
SIN and SINNING are special words, used to define creatures who are accountable for their actions. They have to have free will to choose to oppose God, which is what sinning is.
Who is playing word games now?
Rp " Rob quotes the Gnostic writings "And he contemplated creating offspring for himself," D" Why is your only argument vocabulary – just argue words – just play a word game with scripture Precept upon precept, line upon line – to take one word out of context and an make a whole religion around it is the work of deception R" OH so now the Gnostic writings have the same respect as the torah, line upon line. OK show me all the words in the Gnostic text that is translated as "create" than, so I can compare if the word is translated correctly. I play no word game, I am checking the translation is correct? Can you do this for me, Do a few contexts at least?
Are you serious to check the validity of your own writings?
Your a translator arn't you, go check?
D"if you need to play a word game – take this (google) Asexual reproduction is a type of reproduction that does not involve the fusion of gametes or change in the number of chromosomes. The offspring that arise by asexual reproduction from either unicellular or multicellular organisms inherit the full set of genes of their single parent. R" Who is playing word games, I am trying to be serious? So you are saying this creature procreates using asexual reproduction? OK, why use the "translated word - create" than?
Have you considered why they used this word, is it correct?
D"He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (messengers / offspring / satan’s seed – the serpent race) were thrown down with him.
R" OK so if the archon makes asexual copies of itself, than these other copies are genetic clones, is this right? "Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus."
And he contemplated creating offspring for himself,
Now I want you to check the original words behind the English to see if they are the same original words.... "create" and "creating"
Did the HS create one Archon. And did the Archon create offspring for himself?
Can you do this for me? No word game, serious study....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2022 0:41:39 GMT -5
RP" Explain to me why sinning is not evidence of free will? D" The BEAST is a BEAST – the only driving force within him – (yester ra) Just like every other BEAST of the field R" You are misquoting your own Gnostic writings and twisting the words therein.
I quote" "and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety"
Arrogant = having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. - "he's arrogant and opinionated" Similar: haughty, conceited, hubristic, self-important, opinionated, egotistic, full of oneself, overbearing, pompous, high-handed, swaggering, boastful, bumptious, blustering, patronizing, condescending, disdainful, contemptuous, imperious, proud, vain, immodest, lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, supercilious, smug, pretentious, affected, scornful, mocking, sneering, scoffing, hoity-toity, high and mighty, uppity, snooty, stuck-up, toffee-nosed, fancy-pants, snotty, jumped up, too big for one's boots, bigheaded
THis is the same boast as "Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Sorry – arrogant, snobby, and full of one’s self IS NOT 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
THE BEAST = Rev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Rev 12:2 She is pregnant—crying out in birth pains, in agony to give birth. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.
Eze 28:12 “Son of man, lift up a lament for the king of Tyre. Say to him, thus says Adonai Elohim: ‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. NOT THE BEAST Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering—ruby, topaz and diamond, beryl, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and emerald—your settings and your sockets a workmanship of gold—in the day you were created they were prepared. NOT THE BEAST Eze 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cheruv. I placed you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among stones of fire. NOT THE BEAST Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. NOT THE BEAST Eze 28:16 By the abundance of your trade they filled you within with violence. So you have sinned. NOT THE BEAST All of this is about man - Eve
D"He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (messengers / offspring / satan’s seed – the serpent race) were thrown down with him. R" OK so if the archon makes asexual copies of itself, than these other copies are genetic clones, is this right? WHO SAYS THIS SHIT - PLEASE STOP IT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 17:46:51 GMT -5
D"WHO SAYS THIS SHIT - PLEASE STOP IT R" Well I an a science teacher and you are a science person too, and asexual reproduction is just that cloning?
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Asexual reproduction is essentially a cloning process, so there isn’t the need for outside intervention to reproduce. Instead of requiring a mate or pollination, the parent can simply clone itself and split an offspring off from the reproductive cycle.
Duh, Dave you really do have to get serious and start reading more.
As for the rest of your post, if words do not have power in the words, than you are loving your polysemy and I will leave you to it...
FOr example
Arrogant = having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. - "he's arrogant and opinionated" Similar: haughty, conceited, hubristic, self-important, opinionated, egotistic, full of oneself, overbearing, pompous, high-handed, swaggering, boastful, bumptious, blustering, patronizing, condescending, disdainful, contemptuous, imperious, proud, vain, immodest, lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, supercilious, smug, pretentious, affected, scornful, mocking, sneering, scoffing, hoity-toity, high and mighty, uppity, snooty, stuck-up, toffee-nosed, fancy-pants, snotty, jumped up, too big for one's boots, bigheaded
Sorry I use solar scriptoria to define my word meanings
chata - means to miss' (verb incomplete action_
chet - also means to miss (noun - completed action)
chataah - the sinner makes atonement for the missing unto a sin=bearer, this is essentially a sin-offering for his missing
If you use other sources for word meanings you introduce traditions of men, masonic wisdom, clashing of words with words, violate the inspired words with un inspired words. I think you enjoy pondering confusion....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2022 20:18:40 GMT -5
Sorry I use solar scriptoria to define my word meanings chata - means to miss' (verb incomplete action_ chet - also means to miss (noun - completed action) chataah - the sinner makes atonement for the missing unto a sin=bearer, this is essentially a sin-offering for his missing If you use other sources for word meanings Show me your words in the verseRom 5:12 Διὰ τοῦτο ὥσπερ δι᾿ ἑνὸς ἀνθρώπου ἡ ἁμαρτία εἰς τὸν κόσμον εἰσῆλθεν καὶ διὰ τῆς ἁμαρτίας ὁ θάνατος, καὶ οὕτως εἰς πάντας ἀνθρώπους ὁ θάνατος διῆλθεν, ἐφ᾿ ᾧ πάντες ἥμαρτον· youtu.be/76QtS5rGr8cRomans 5:12-21 in Greek: Grammatical HighlightsRom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. R" It doesn't say chata entered the world it says chataah entered the world.Death through chataah, or sin-offering.TOTALLY REJECT YOUR WORD GAMEThe word is - G266 - ἁμαρτία – hamartia - From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful). Total KJV occurrences: 174 G264 - ἁμαρτάνω - hamartanō - Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass. Death through chataah, or sin-offering.TOTALLY REJECT YOUR WORD GAMEjewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13764-sin-offeringThe sin-offering proper is a sacrifice consisting of either a beast or a fowl and offered on the altar to atone for a sin committed unwittingly. NO ONE IS MAKING A SACRIFICE FOR SIN – one man committed a sin – as all men commit sins
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2022 1:28:33 GMT -5
Your video didn't answer the question Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world,
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chata entered into the world, ( Otherwise because Adam sinned, I have sinned too?)
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Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chataah entered into the world, ( Adam sinned and wrought sin-offering into the world, I become a sinner, but am not born sinning, though I am born into the world with sin-offering)
Big difference between the two ideas.
D"NO ONE IS MAKING A SACRIFICE FOR SIN R" Oh so Jesus is not a sin-bearer or a sin-offering for my sinnings? Please explain.
Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without "sin-offering".
We have to affirm is the word hamartia chata or chataah?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 1, 2022 19:13:42 GMT -5
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chata entered into the world, ( Otherwise because Adam sinned, I have sinned too?)
Adam is mankind – just a representative of any man – every man As Adam sinned – so do all men sin – BECAUSE all men are sinners
Not a curse upon future generations Not a genetic defect that is carried forward Just evidence that ALL MEN ARE SINNERS
D"NO ONE IS MAKING A SACRIFICE FOR SIN R" Oh so Jesus is not a sin-bearer or a sin-offering for my sinnings? NOT IN ROM 5:12
Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people.
G266 - ἁμαρτία – hamartia - From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).
Heb 2:17 Therefore He had to be made like His brothers in all things, so He might become a merciful and faithful Kohen Gadol in matters relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:17 wherefore it did behove him in all things to be made like to the brethren, that he might become a kind and stedfast chief-priest in the things with God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people,
Why do you teach that people had to apologies / atone for making a sacrifice to the lord It is NOT what this verse says
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 3:48:06 GMT -5
D: "Why do you teach that people had to apologies / atone for making a sacrifice to the lord It is NOT what this verse says
R" What do you think the verse means than?
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2022 5:37:08 GMT -5
Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people.
Amplified Bible Therefore, it was essential that He had to be made like His brothers (mankind) in every respect, so that He might [by experience] become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things related to God, to make atonement (propitiation) for the people’s sins [thereby wiping away the sin, satisfying divine justice, and providing a way of reconciliation between God and mankind].
Contemporary English Version He had to be one of us, so he could serve God as our merciful and faithful high priest and sacrifice himself for the forgiveness of our sins.
International Standard Version thereby becoming like his brothers in every way, so that he could be a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God and could atone for the people's sins.
New Revised Standard Version Therefore he had to become like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of the people.
New Heart English Bible Therefore he was obligated in all things to be made like his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.
Weymouth New Testament And for this purpose it was necessary that in all respects He should be made to resemble His brothers, so that He might become a compassionate and faithful High Priest in things relating to God, in order to atone for the sins of the people.
World English Bible Therefore he was obligated in all things to be made like his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.
Jesus Like His Brothers …16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people. 18Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.… Berean Study Bible
Please learn to read English Why do you teach Christ came to atone / or apologies – for the people making sacrifices to the Lord Why is making a sin-offering a sin to you? 100% absolutely opposite from scripture - why has Ellen White taught you to oppose Scripture and the work of Jesus Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 16:02:18 GMT -5
What is a sin-offering?
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
I doubt Jews read and understand the essence of Isaiah 53
Jesus was our sin-bearer, do you understand this function?
And our response is a sin-offering....
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2022 22:59:21 GMT -5
You are preaching contradictory gobbelty gook How does your comments prove that the Greek word #266 = a sin offering
Heb 2:16 For surely He is not concerned about angels, but about the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:17 Therefore He had to be made like His brothers in all things, so He might become a merciful and faithful Kohen Gadol in matters relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.
Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord of unintentional sin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 5:23:15 GMT -5
D" Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices youtu.be/-QTvG7wqqsIThis is a 7 minute video, nice introduction to Yom Kippor, the covering of your sins with the blood of Jesus. youtu.be/gHxvUEjynyAA SDA 10 minute video on explaining the heavenly sanctuary for kids, a simple introduction. youtu.be/Jh5iLSkT-noThe mature SDA look into the Jesus the perfect sacrifice, 36 minutes Sin has a price cannot be negotiated, except by the blood of Christ Lev 17:11 Life is in the blood, atonement for the soul. The blood that will pay and satisfy , sanctuary language. 6:38 Life for life, forgiveness Heb 9: 22 & 26 All things purged with blood, once in end of world to put away sin by the sacrifice for sin Hebrews is written after Jesus is gone to the heavenly sanctuary... Heb 10 : 4 & 10 Once for all, blood for blood, a means for atonement. Get out of this problem of sin, with the forgiveness of sin, once for all. Once sacrifice can forgive, past and future. Heb 1: 8 - 10 Value of the blood.... Laid foundations, work of thy hands. God is calling Yashuah Lord. Creator of earth... Blood means life, life for life. Jesus created all life, so Jesus blood is of the creator Himself. If life came from Jesus, so all life is in Him, He blood can cover all life. Heb 9 : 20 - 24 Patterns of things in heavens be purified, Jesus is not entered into holy places, Appears in presence of Father for us. Earthly temple was a pattern of the heavenly temple. Jesus one sacrifices covers all types of sacrifices. 18:20 Leads us to the heavenly experience. Foundation of world, all worked out until the end. Heb 10 : 9-10 Sanctified once for all in His body How can Heb 9 needed to be purged? Hen 9: 22 purged, no remission for sin, therefore necessary be purified, Jesus in not entered into the true, in heaven, Jesus bared the sins of many Without sin unto salvation, Why are things purged in heaven? Salvation is a process.... not just many things....also heavenly santuary sin affects whole universe, sin affects earth, It took heaven to save earth, Things in heaven purged the sin also affected heaven. salvation started in heaven, and ends in heaven, The processes are connected. Heb 7:24, 25 lives to make intercession in heaven Salvation is a process, take the blood into heaven, and make intercession, redeemed and deal with evil there... 1 John 2: 1 sin not, advocate with Father, in heaven... dealing with sin, Jesus is dealing with sin in heaven. Rom 14: 8 - 10 Lord of the dead and living 2 Cor 5: 8-10 accepted of him, appear to his judgement, seems a judgement, and involves Jesus after the cross why judged after being saved? Answer is simple: Salvation is a process, not end on the cross, redemption and forgiveness of sin, no remission of sin, take the blood into the sanctuary... Heb 9 :23-24 sin problem affected heaven purged in heaven... verse 24 in presence of God for us, process intercede for us, judgement scene Rom 8: 34 Jesus risen at right hand of God, maketh intercession for us Judgement going on, advocate, vindication of repentant sinner I will vindicate his choice, now he is in the book of life, written at the Cross Who can condemn you now? Judgement is going on now, Going on to vindicate you Judgement for us, not a judgement against us. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 4, 2022 6:14:52 GMT -5
The mature SDA look into the Jesus the perfect sacrifice, Blah blah blah – how does this give you the authority to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrine Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chata entered into the world, ( Otherwise because Adam sinned, I have sinned too?) or Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chataah entered into the world, ( Adam sinned and wrought sin-offering into the world, I become a sinner, but am not born sinning, though I am born into the world with sin-offering) Big difference between the two ideas. Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people. Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without " sin-offering". We have to affirm is the word hamartia chata or chataah? You are preaching contradictory gobbelty gook How does your comments prove that the Greek word #266 = a sin offering Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin Instead of answering question A You offer a misdirection with a long winded discussion about B – how does this give you the authority to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrineSin has a price cannot be negotiated, except by the blood of ChristPsa 51:15 O Lord, my lips thou dost open, And my mouth declareth Thy praise. Psa 51:16 For Thou desirest not sacrifice, or I give it , Burnt-offering Thou acceptest not. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A heart broken and bruised, O God, Thou dost not despise. Psa 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Why do you disagree with King David Why do you teach against Jewish Theology AND – how does this give you the authority to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrine
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 15:52:12 GMT -5
D" Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin
Instead of answering question A You offer a misdirection with a long winded discussion about B R" I made a serious attempt to answer your question, you fail to discuss your views or what you mean, yet again, the Brevity Dave, who is afraid to discuss his views.''
D"Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin R" What does this mean?
D"Why do you disagree with King David Why do you teach against Jewish Theology AND – how does this give you the authority to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrine R" You just mock, how about telling me what is your view of this theme? That way I can read your view, instead of me having to defend my view all the time? How does the sinning process work in your life?
What does Jesus do with your sinning?
How does salvation in the heavenly temple process your sinning? Do you even affirm we have a high priest in heaven in a temple processing your sinning?
What does the Yom Kippor in the heavenly sanctuary mean ? and when did this function begin?
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Post by Dave on Jul 4, 2022 19:14:35 GMT -5
D"Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin R" What does this mean?I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY REWRITING SCRIPTURE I asked you – but you never gave me an answerRo 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chata entered into the world, ( Otherwise because Adam sinned, I have sinned too?) or Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chataah entered into the world, ( Adam sinned and wrought sin-offering into the world, I become a sinner, but am not born sinning, though I am born into the world with sin-offering) Big difference between the two ideas. Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people. Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without " sin-offering". We have to affirm is the word hamartia chata or chataah? You are preaching contradictory gobbelty gook How does your comments prove that the Greek word #266 = a sin offering Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin Instead of answering question A You offer a misdirection with a long winded discussion about B – how does this give you the authority to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrine[
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 3:46:15 GMT -5
Did you watch my three videos?
I keep them short, most SDA videos are at least 1 hour, sometimes 2 hours.
When I read Scripture, especially the NT, I read it in the original Hebrew, as the NT Greek is a translation of the NT Hebrew.
It reduces confusion to do this, and allows the NT to line up with the OT.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
This verse is a prophecy that the Hebrew would go out in a new tongue, ie Greek.
There is my authority there, so I convert the words back to Hebrew.
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