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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 16:21:11 GMT -5
D"God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
General sweeping remarks mean little to me as I have no idea what you are actually discussing if anything? DO you have a website that explains your view clearly because I can't find it Where is your witness?
You are my witness – why don’t you know your own teaching here A day = 24hr – it is your mandate
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
G2250 - ἡμέρα - hēmera = day, that is, (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours
Scripture says the 7th Day remainith You teach it is impossible – a 24hr day 7 would have been over before Gen 3 You teach it is impossible – God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
Are you saying God abolished the immutable royal torah? That we no longer need to guard the Sabbath? I am saying you do not present a consistent theology – you contradict yourself with all your absolutes You cannot even remember your own teaching here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 16:31:18 GMT -5
D"Scripture says the 7th Day remainith You teach it is impossible – a 24hr day 7 would have been over before Gen 3 You teach it is impossible – God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
Are you saying God abolished the immutable royal torah? That we no longer need to guard the Sabbath? I am saying you do not present a consistent theology – you contradict yourself with all your absolutes You cannot even remember your own teaching here
R" No idea what you saying Dave, and I am consistent all the time. Stop pretending you know my theories of faith, read my website if you are stuck or ask questions.
God created the Creation in a week of yoms, proving that a 24 hour yom was designed into the week, from which we get the Ceasing Day, which is what Sabbath means.
I teach impossible .......... what are you saying?
I support the idea that the earth was created in a time scale of one week, on the Sabbath God ceased and spent a whole day in communion with Adam and Eve, speaking to them many things. On the Sabbath, God created a week of time, by ceasing on ceasing day, also made time to share and witness to each other.
If God is relational it's important that an immutable law require us to remember this social aspect of God, thank Him for creation and support Him in faith on His words, Every Sabbath we travel to Zion to spend a whole day with the Lord Jesus, and after that we go back to our home doing things in Eden among others who also love.
The Sabbath law proves God is relational and requires His creatures to relate to Him once a week face to face.
Hope this helps you. Enjoy your day, it's cold here. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 22:53:52 GMT -5
D"Scripture says the 7th Day remainith You teach it is impossible – a 24hr day 7 would have been over before Gen 3 You teach it is impossible – God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
I support the idea that the earth was created in a time scale of one week, on the Sabbath God ceased and spent a whole day in communion with Adam and Eve, speaking to them many things.
You insist that day with Adam and Eve was only 24hrs long – and was over 5782 years ago Scripture says – it remainith and we can enter that day of rest with God
You contradict yourself and scripture
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Post by Dillon on Jun 9, 2022 10:44:04 GMT -5
Even I understand the question. If day 7 remains it has to be almost 6000 years long. If day 7 is almost 6000 years long then why can’t days 6 or 5 be also 6000 years long?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 17:19:42 GMT -5
A big confusion over "apoleipo", than look up all the verses.
2Ti 4:13 The cloke <phelones> that <hos> I left <apoleipo> at <en> Troas <Troas> with <para> Carpus <Karpos>, when thou comest <erchomai>, bring <phero> with thee, and <kai> the books <biblion>, but especially <malista> the parchments <membrana>.
The clothing I left with Troas
2Ti 4:20 Erastus <Erastos> abode <meno> at <en> Corinth <Korinthos>: but <de> Trophimus <Trophimos> have I left <apoleipo> at <en> Miletum <Miletos> sick <astheneo>.
Trophimos I left sick at Miletum
Heb 4:6 Seeing <epei> therefore <oun> it remaineth <apoleipo> that some <tis> must enter <eiserchomai> therein <eis> <autos>, and <kai> they to whom it was first <proteron> preached <euaggelizo> entered <eiserchomai> not <ou> in <eiserchomai> because <dia> of unbelief <apeitheia>: {it was: or, the gospel was}
Now how can this word have an opposite meaning?
kataleipo what about this?
We have a Greek reading scholar, how about helping us out Dave?
apoleipo
Both of these Greek words have to mean "left" they are similar?
Hebrew 4 verse 1. Some of us left entering his promise of rest.
verse 3 Some of us by faith enter into His rest.
verse 4 On Sabbath God entered into His rest.
verse 6. Some left entering into His rest , to whom it was preached entered not in, because of unbelief (they did not do faith),
Heb 4:9 There remaineth <apoleipo> therefore <ara> a rest <sabbatismos> to the people <laos> of God <theos>. {rest: or, keeping of a sabbath}
The verse is hard? Dave can Greek word have opposite meanings in a context? Or is this translated wrong? Hebrew can have opposite meanings in a context, what about Greek? I dunno?
There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)
Heb 10:26 For <gar> if we <hemon> sin <hamartano> wilfully <hekousios> after <meta> that we have received <lambano> the knowledge <epignosis> of the truth <aletheia>, there remaineth <apoleipo> no more <ouketi> sacrifice <thusia> for <peri> sins <hamartia>,
there is left no more sacrifice for sin-offering.
Jude 1:6 And <te> the angels <aggelos> which kept <tereo> not <me> their <heautou> first estate <arche>, but <alla> left <apoleipo> their own <idios> habitation <oiketerion>, he hath reserved <tereo> in everlasting <aidios> chains <desmon> under <hupo> darkness <zophos> unto <eis> the judgment <krisis> of the great <megas> day <hemera>. {first estate: or, principality}
correctly translated
Ok gentlemen, what is the problem with the word or the context?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2022 21:10:36 GMT -5
Even I understand the question. If day 7 remains it has to be almost 6000 years long. If day 7 is almost 6000 years long then why can’t days 6 or 5 be also 6000 years long? Answer the question Why do you deliberately avoid answering question that destroy your view. Instead you attempt to evade a direct answer by changing the topic into another Robert word gameThe question to you is yom = you mandate that it is only 24hrs – only so you can deny Intelligent Design But without understanding the totality of scripture – you have painted yourself into a corner If you admit the promise of the agl/NT – that the 7th day remained and is open to all Christians You just contradict yourself Day 7 was 24hrs only and for Adam and Eve only2Ti 4:13 - G620 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain. V-2AAI-1S – Verb, Tense: second Aorist, Voice: Active, Mood: Indicative, Person: first , Number: SingularThe clothing I left with TroasYes the clothing remaind - did not dissapear2Ti 4:20 - G620 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain.V-2AAI-1S – Verb, Tense: second Aorist, Voice: Active, Mood: Indicative, Person: first , Number: SingularTrophimos I left sick at MiletumI left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Trophimus I left in Miletus infirm; Heb 4:6 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain.V-PPI-3S – Verb, Tense: Present, Voice: Passive, Mood: Indicative, Person: third [he/she/it], Number: SingularWe have a Greek reading scholar, how about helping us out Dave? Now how can this word have an opposite meaning?We always know in Greek because of it’s spelling and syntaxThere is more than one was to negate a wordAnti- is the strongest – anti-Christs = the total opposite of ChristMany times anti is shortened within a compound word to just ‘a’Ades = a verb to seea-Ades = not seen = English hadesoo – or – ou – ouk – ouch - even ow added to a word = Negativeoo – or – ou – ouk – ouch - even ow standing alone in front of a verb = NotBoth of these Greek words have to mean "left" they are similar?Hebrew 4 verse 1. Some of us left entering his promise of rest.Hmmm?Heb 4:1 (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, Heb 4:1 (ASV) Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, Heb 4:1 (YLT) We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short, Heb 4:1 (TLV) Let us fear then! Though a promise of entering His rest is left open, Heb 4:1 Φοβηθῶμεν οὖν μή ποτε, καταλειπομένης ἐπαγγελίας (Φοβηθῶμεν ) – Attention (οὖν) verily (μή ποτε) - wtitten as one word μήποτε = G3379 - From G3361 and G4218 G3361 – μή - A primary particle of qualified negation + G4218 – ποτέ - From the base of G4225 and G5037; indefinite adverb, at some time, ever: - afore- (any, some-) time (-s), at length (the last), (+ n-) ever, kαταλειπομένης kataleipo what about this? (καταλείπω) - G2641 - From G2596 and G3007; to leave down, that is, behind; by implication to abandon, have remaining: - forsake, leave, reserve. V-PPP-GSF – Verb, Tense: Present, Voice: Passive, Mood: Participle, Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from"), Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine G2596 – κατά - A primary particle; (preposition) down (in place or time), G3007 – λείπω - A primary verb; to leave, that is, (intransitive or passive) to fail or be absent: (eπαγγελιας) - G1860 - From G1861; an announcement (for information, assent or pledge; especially a divine assurance of good): - message, promise.N-GSF – Noun, Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from"), Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine(Φοβηθῶμεν ) – Attention (οὖν) verily (μή ποτε) – Never Negate (eπαγγελιας) the promise (καταλείπω0 – left down for you – left behind for youHebrew 4 verse 1. Some of us left entering his promise of rest.NOT EVEN CLOSE – you cannot read English Attention - Never Negate - the promise - left for youYour word games are an insult to scripture – grow up –learn to read before you teach verse 3 Some of us by faith enter into His rest. – 24hr day of rest – that you demand closed a long time ago
Heb 4:9 There remaineth <apoleipo> therefore <ara> a rest <sabbatismos> to the people <laos> of God <theos>. {rest: or, keeping of a sabbath} The verse is hard? Dave can Greek word have opposite meanings in a context? Or is this translated wrong? Hebrew can have opposite meanings in a context, what about Greek? I dunno? Heb 4:9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God, Heb 4:9 So there remains a Shabbat rest for the people of God. Heb 4:9 ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ. G4520 – σαββατισμός - From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest. There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)Correct – Scripture calls it the 7th DayHeb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works,” Heb 4:4 for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh day thus: 'And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;' There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)Correct – Scripture calls it the 7th DayYou mandate that it is only 24 earth hours as we measure today – the same as the 6 Days of creation If the 6 days of creation are mandated to 24hrs – how can you honestly say day 7 remains?There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)You do not present a consistent theology – flip flopper You say one thing to argue against Intelligent Design You argue something different here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 4:19:16 GMT -5
I TRIED REAL HARD to follow your thinking...
RP" There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth) D" Correct – Scripture calls it the 7th Day
R" Brevity Dave again, what's correct? My translation? DO you agree the Greek word " G620 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō " means "left" to "leave" ?
There is left therefore a rest for the people of God? And you said this is correct.
Same idea as there remains a rest for the people of God.
D"If the 6 days of creation are mandated to 24hrs – how can you honestly say day 7 remains?
R" Really folks, how can a yom remain open for hundreds of years? A yom is determined by the rotating earth relative to the sun, and last time I looked the earth is still rotating into the sun. DUH
It's saying the promise of God's Sabbath blessing of rest remains for anybody who receives the promise by faith in Jesus our Redeemer.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 5:20:11 GMT -5
Either a day is 24 hrs or it can remain open for thousands of years Please pick one statement and stick with it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 15:45:02 GMT -5
I did , a yom or day is one rotation of the earth relative to the sun, hence in our current terms us 23 hours and 46 minutes and 16 seconds if I remember such details, but roughly 24 hours.
Now what seems to be the problem when God created the first Sabbath day, it began after Friday night and God ceased from the work He made and thus spent a Sabbath (day of ceasing) with Adam and Eve.
The evening and morning the seventh day is not mentioned because that issues in the Sunday as part of the week, but we already had Sunday mentioned on the Day One. So Creation Sabbath came and went a long time ago.
Hebrews four is talking about the Sabbathismo, or in Hebrew
Le 23:3 .... is the sabbath <shabbath> of rest <shabbathown>
Here is the word here, meaning holiday or special period of rest apart from Weekly Sabbaths
Lev 23 talks about these additional rest days...
The NT speaks of them because they are given to us by Jesus through faith. The faith process is important, because keeping them using your own human power means nothing to Jesus (see Hebrews 4)
Shalom Sabbath
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 20:28:19 GMT -5
I did , a yom or day is one rotation of the earth relative to the sun, hence in our current terms us 23 hours and 46 minutes and 16 seconds if I remember such details, but roughly 24 hours.
Now what seems to be the problem when God created the first Sabbath day, it began after Friday night and God ceased from the work He made and thus spent a Sabbath (day of ceasing) with Adam and Eve. a yom or day is … roughly 24 hours.
The evening and morning the seventh day is not mentioned because that issues in the Sunday as part of the week, but we already had Sunday mentioned on the Day One. So Creation Sabbath came and went a long time ago.
YES – this your teaching – it was over almost 6000 years ago
Contrary to the word of God
Day 1 had no morning – this is why all Jews say it is out of time - timeless Day 7 has no evening – because it has not come to a close yet – IT REMAINS
Day 1 is NOT 24hrs Day 7 is not 24hrs and neither are Days 2-6
I wrote my paper in 2007 - Non-linear time, relativity and the logarithmic days of creation Your Schroeder published his in 2013 – The Age of the Universe Both support Intelligent Design Neither support your teaching
We have had 74 conversations about the error of radiometric time dating
For you to inject 24hrs days into the conversation now is proof you just want to argue Bull Shit
Just argue in circles - just to argue against my beliefs and teachings Never making a point - refusing to answer direct questions anything it take to defend your satan as the god of evil and you denial of the One True God of the Jews
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 17:44:10 GMT -5
D"Day 1 had no morning – this is why all Jews say it is out of time - timeless Day 7 has no evening – because it has not come to a close yet – IT REMAINS
R" Le 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
R" What Jews? Time is measured even to even, not morning to evening.
So Creation week is just fine, time began on evening....
D" Day 1 is NOT 24hrs Day 7 is not 24hrs and neither are Days 2-6
R" They are all 24 hours, even to even.
D"For you to inject 24hrs days into the conversation now is proof you just want to argue Bull Shit R" proves you and your Jews do not follow Hebrew I suspect your Jews are supporting Greek edit to their thinking.
D" Just argue in circles - just to argue against my beliefs and teachings Never making a point - refusing to answer direct questions R" On the contrary my view is Hebrew all the time and all the pieces fall into place.
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 0:50:08 GMT -5
D"Day 1 had no morning – this is why all Jews say it is out of time - timeless R" What Jews? Time is measured even to even, not morning to evening.geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/sample-page/Gerald Schroeder is a scientist with over thirty years of experience in research and teaching. He earned his Bachelor’s, Master’s, and Doctorate degrees all at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, with his doctorate thesis being under the supervision of physics professor Robley D. Evans. This was followed by five years on the staff of the MIT physics department prior to moving to Israel, where he joined the Weizmann Institute of Science and then the Volcani Research Institute, while also having a laboratory at The Hebrew University. His Doctorate is in two fields: Earth sciences and physics. Schroeder’s formal theological training in biblical, talmudic and kabalistic interpretation includes fifteen years of study under the late Rabbi Herman Pollack, Rabbi Chaim Brovender and Rabbi Noah Weinberg, of blessed memory. Quoted at - spiritualsprings.org/ss-763.htmSCIENCE: Gerald Schroeder tributeThe Age of the Universe – Gerald Schroeder 2013 We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. This is no modern rationalization. The Talmud already discussed this 1600 years ago. Two clocks – two perspectives – Bible Time or Cosmic Time (God’s perspective) + the Time since Adam (man’s perspective) human time Roberts says there is only his view of 24hrs as measured today – human time The reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. Time is described differently for the 6 Days of creation No relationship to human timeWe have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. This is no modern rationalization. The Talmud already discussed this 1600 years ago. Two clocks – two perspectives – Bible Time or Cosmic Time (God’s perspective) + the Time since Adam (man’s perspective) human time Roberts says there is only his view of 24hrs as measured today – human timeThe reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. Today, we look back in time and we see approximately 14 billion years of history and those years went by. But how would they be perceived from the Bible’s perspective of time? Looking forward from when the universe was very small – billions of times smaller – the Bible teaches that six days passed. In truth, they both are correct. 14 billion years (human time) = 6 Days (God’s Time)The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the 15 billion years sequestered with them. D" Day 1 is NOT 24hrs Day 7 is not 24hrs and neither are Days 2-6R" They are all 24 hours, even to even.Boom - The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. BANG - The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, POW - Non-linear time, relativity and the logarithmic days of creation (2007)Logarithmic models are use to both describe growth curves, such as in population growths, and describe decay curves, such as in the half-life of subatomic particles. Our very own universe is speculated as to have begun with a single event from which it is expanding and growing at an ever increasing rate. Logarithmic growth curves are often represented as geometric progressions, - 2,4,8,16,32,64,128, etc. Logarithmic decay curves of half-life, if applied to time, would predict that day two is half as long as day one. Day three would be half as long as day two and day four half of day three. I offer the following logarithmic model to Ponder: This particular model is by my own hand, although, a goggle search will reveal many such models. I do not offer this model as a factoid of revelation. Rather, I offer this model simply as a poser to Ponder. However, this model allows my personal cosmology satisfaction enough to digest both current scientific models and biblical presentation. Strict creationist can have their six-days and science can speculate the billions of years of it all. Ponder this - Relativity predicts that time is relative to the observer, or to the perspective of that observer. So we could just simplify it all by saying that from God's perspective, it was only six days, but to our perspective from today looking back on time it appears that it took billions of years. Again, I am not offering this as a factoid, but it does fully represent the Confusion that I Ponder. Repeat Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7 Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration Day 7 remainith for the righteous Not once a week but ongoing until the end of Day 7100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 3:44:43 GMT -5
D" Quoted at - spiritualsprings.org/ss-763.htm SCIENCE: Gerald Schroeder tribute R" You didn't quote anything, only the title?
D"We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. R" Why do you assume two clocks? If the Creation week is 7 yoms long and after that Adam lived counting the yom days, I see only one clock, the clock relative to earth frame of reference.
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. R" What? Garbage, what are you talking about.... A yom during Creation Week is human time?
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” R" What happened to your Jew idea, the day one had no morning? Don't you discuss anymore? Is this your monologue?
D"So we could just simplify it all by saying that from God's perspective, it was only six days, but to our perspective from today looking back on time it appears that it took billions of years R" Why do you say this? If you are on the frame of reference (ie earth) than time is relative to earth. And for us looking back that is a local yom of time, thus our earth Creation week took place a few thousand years ago.
God lives on another frame of reference, so time would be different to Him looking at earth. You have this backwards?
Do you understand what a frame of reference means?
R" Thank you for your presentation, it has no discussion , nor does it answer my questions I posed to you.
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 9:52:15 GMT -5
D" Quoted at - spiritualsprings.org/ss-763.htm SCIENCE: Gerald Schroeder tribute R" You didn't quote anything, only the title?
Correct – you say you rely on Gerald Schroeder to validate your view Then you select specific sentences to quote out of context Gerald Schroeder does not in any way support your view Gerald Schroeder is 100% Intelligent Design
D"We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. R" Why do you assume two clocks? This is a statement made by your Gerald Schroeder This is 100% Jewish Kabbalah This is 100% current model of Relativity
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. R" What? Garbage, what are you talking about.... A yom during Creation Week is human time?
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” R" What happened to your Jew idea, the day one had no morning? Don't you discuss anymore? Is this your monologue? I accept Jewish teach from the Torah and the Kabbalah that has found it way straight into the must current version of scientific time It is not my fault you do not comprehend what you read in English
Gerald Schroeder - Age of the Universe The reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time.
D"So we could just simplify it all by saying that from God's perspective, it was only six days, but to our perspective from today looking back on time it appears that it took billions of years R" Why do you say this? I am simply repeating – quoting correctly – Gerald Schroeder This is 100% Jewish Kabbalah This is 100% current model of Relativity Psa 90:4 + 2Pe 3:8
Repeat Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7 Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration Day 7 remainith for the righteous Not once a week but ongoing until the end of Day 7
100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site
After you win the Nobel Prize for disproving Einstein's Theory of Relativity I will bow to you - until then - your 8th grade science talk is rejected and your misrepresentation of Gerald Schroeder is exposed
Gerald Schroeder - Age of the Universe ... there are six days (actually the biblical text gives 5 and a half days) from the creation of the universe to the creation of the first human, that is the first being with the soul of a human (not the first hominid, a being with human shape and intelligence, but lacking the soul of humanity, the neshama). We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks.
100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site 0% Biblicial Creationism - from your own web-site
Your misrepresentation of Gerald Schroeder is exposed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 17:04:57 GMT -5
geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/the-age-of-the-universe/All you did was quote Gerald Schroeder, can't you write your own words? D" I am simply repeating – quoting correctly – Gerald SchroederR" Yes you are, that is not a discussion from Dave. I read his paper again. In fact I can read the paper myself. Now that I have read the paper, are you willing to write your own words? D" Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7 Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration Day 7 remainith for the righteousR" His paper does not discuss this? Care to write how you get these ideas? ----------------------------- Gerald Schroeder is a fascinating person, I spent a few hours reading all I could from his works: What is the God of the Bible? What can I expect from Him-or Her-or It? What can I demand? Does God want me to make demands? Why did the God of the Bible tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, his and Sarah’s only child? Does God want us to argue when we confront what appears to be Divine injustice, or are we merely to accept the slap and turn the other cheek? When I feel the surge of emotion at the beauty of star-studded sky or the joy of a baby’s smile, is that a part of the same transcendent God that created a less than perfect world? And if there really is a God, why so often is God’s presence so fully hidden that even in the Bible people wonder, “Is there a God among us?” An obvious and predictable God would be so much easier to understand. "God According to God" by Gerald Schroeder" R" Seems like a sacrifice is a part of Gerald's thinking? Genesis and the Big Bang: The Discovery Of Harmony Between Modern Science And The Bible by Gerald Schreoder" Simply stated, I will discuss here the first week of Genesis. To the literalist, these first six days can be a problem. Fossils place the appearance of beings with humanlike features at well over the 60,000-year age of the Neanderthal fossils of the Carmel caves. Although dating the time of Peking man’s existence has the same types of problems as those encountered when dating the remains of Neanderthal man, the archaeological estimate is that these humanlike animals lived some 300,000 years ago. Their home, near Cho-k’ou-tien, China, was in a group of limestone caves quite similar to those found in the Carmel range. Homo erectus, the genus and species to which Peking man belonged, made its appearance 1.5 to 2 million years ago. Because of this antiquity, only a few nearly complete Homo erectus skeletons have been found. One of these, located in what is now an arid region of Kenya, is the Lake Turkana Boy. It is estimated that the lad lived his twelve years of life 1.6 million years ago. Looking at this fossil, it is clear that, except for the shortened forehead, these early hominids had features so similar to modern humans that they could go unnoticed if they walked on a busy city street.Gerald's conversion over a cocktail " This admirable woman was willing to give up something as delicious as shrimp cocktail because of a law in a 3,500 year-old book.
I was three shrimps through the six that were originally hooked onto the side of the cup. I put down my fork. The Navy officer across from me asked incredulously: “Aren’t you going to finish?” I said no. I could feel his internal tussle, but the situation was much too formal for him to have asked me to send what remained over to him.
From that moment until today, I have never eaten another shrimp. I began the journey of exploring that ancient book and other biblical texts while taking on the eating habits of an Orthodox Jew. Besides giving up shrimp, I also gave up my mis-conception that the wisdom of that ancient book we call the Bible was exactly that, ancient and quite out of date, especially when it came to science. I mean, Genesis and the world made in 6 days. Really?? No one can logically believe that – that is until you understand the science that underlies the passage of time and its perception (there is that word again) in our magnificent expanding universe." Schroeder" Isaiah describes what the act of creation is from a Godly view point: "I am the Eternal, there is nothing else. I form light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil ..." (Isaiah 45:6.7). The source of all light creates darkness. How? By withdrawing some of the light. Similarly, the source of peace, harmony, creates evil by withdrawing some of the peace. The Biblical word, creation, implies a partial withdrawal of God's overt infinite control. In Hebrew the concept is tsimtsum. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2047206/jewish/Tsimtsum.htmRob" Interesting. So God shrinks infinity down to make a hole called space to fit a limited big of God in it, so we humans perceive ... " Was God bound to allow dinosaurs to appear? Certainly not, but God chose to limit overt control to key junctures. Similarly God could control the beasts just as God controlled the hornets but chose not to. The divinely created laws of nature are adequate to set the path. Even when the path is being directed, usually the insertion of direct control is in a way that can be interpreted as natural. The option for free will is maintained.
Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory calls out for randomness to set the course of life's development. Evolution, Bible style, also sees life develop from the simple (day three and day five) to the highly complex (humanity on day six), but realizes that in this world, random reactions are simply not up to accomplishing that task. Random reactions alone simply do not and can not produce stable order. That is the lesson of the laws of thermodynamics. Questions and Answers According to Genesis, the first life was created: a day 3 b day 4 c day 5 none of these options Answer d, the word creation is not mentioned at the origin of life on day 3. The implication is that universe is made for life, built into the fabric of existence from the very the beginning. The extinction of the dinosaurs is: a described in Genesis b consistent with the Bible's description of God's management of the world c not consistent with the Bible's description of God's management of the world Answer b. A parallel, though very many years later, would be God's bringing the flood at the time of Noah to destroy the badness, and to change the world from one populated with persons able to live to 900 years to a world with persons living to 90 years. Please see my detailed discussion of this in "The Hidden Face Of God." Mammals appear in the fossil record: a before dinosaurs b long after dinosaurs c at about the same time as dinosaursAnswer c Isaiah describes the act of creation as: a something from nothing b God partially withdrawing overt divine control of naturec God directly manipulating nature Answer b, See Isaiah 45:6, 7 for this insight. According to the fossil record, after the formation of liquid water on earth, the first life on earth appeared: a rapidly b after billions of years of gradual evolution Answer a. This discovery, only made in the mid-1970's, has forced a complete change in the attempt to describe life's beginnings by totally random processes. There is much I do not understand about Jewish thinking, that is sure. Gerald is interesting to say the least. Shalom
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