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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 15:36:45 GMT -5
Hang on Dave, before I wander through the next video, I want some discussion, and you did not defend your view with your discussion.
The Essenes Jews copied certain scrolls more often than others, certainly the OT books as I know them,
these other books not found in the common received OT, were they copied? Did all Jews see the other books as inspired?
What makes an inspired book? How do we know Solomon wrote about this demon, and getting the demon to cut stones for the temple?
These are questions you have to defend for me to accept your view at all with some credibility.
My understanding of the Illuminati, is the top 33rd Masons, some of them are Jews, and according to Walter Veith, his videos always places source documents all the time , the highest Jews and the Catholics and the Muslims are all friendly at the top, but "lower down" they are enemies for the "cattle", a term for the rest of us who do not know. And this higher wisdom sounds very Gnostic in principle. So I find you might be sucked into a Masonic mystic religion and you don't even know about it? If this is true and I have watched more than 60 videos of Walter Veith, and I say again, he always posts the source documents and quote directly from the Masons, He also shows pictures of the Mason symbols, I get the impression the higher up Jews, the 33rd Jewish Masons are working for the Catholics.
Now my reason for saying all this, is because during the exile the Jews went to Babylon. What happened there? DO we really know? How much of the Bible was corrupted by additions to Babylonian religion, which is the real leader of the Masons, The Catholics are really Babylonians in guise. How do we know that Jews did not place another religion on top of the torah of Moses and thus added dozens of ideas, talmud, sages, and other mystic comments, all stemming from Babylonian sources? My point is the Jewish religion is not pure nor free from influence, anymore.
Maybe Dillon is right, I have too much Walter Veith behind me, to sympathize with your view, but than you wiped out the videos of Walter Veith too easily. He used to be an Atheist, than a Catholic, than a SDA. His father was a Mason, very high up, enough to receive the secret book, which Walter has, and should have been killed for having it. Been in prison a few times, but not killed yet. Jim Arbitto was killed by the Masons. Maybe the Masons do not care about truth any more, they are too powerful, these days?
So in summary, you have to defend your reasons for watching these videos and the information it contains.
My understanding is the Moses torah is first and all other scrolls must align with Moses torah first, and if anything is weird relative to the Moses account, there is not light of dawn in it, and should be tossed out.
Some questions for you:
Essenes : What scrolls did they copy most and why? Do we have any books written by witnesses about how they lived and what beliefs they had? Why weren't all the other books copied by the Essenes?
Solomon and the demons. Does the writings of Solomon explain where the demons came from? In the video I watched it seemed to suggest one demon was made or was the result of a heavenly angel? is this correct?
This suggests to me the demons are something associated naturally with God and God's world? Is this correct?
Does the Solomon account explain why earth has these demons?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:23:17 GMT -5
I found this about Solomon God also enabled him to learn that skill which expels demons, 4 which is a science useful and sanative to men. He composed such incantations also by which distempers are alleviated. And he left behind him the manner of using exorcisms, by which they drive away demons, so that they never return; and this method of cure is of great force unto this day; for I have seen a certain man of my own country, whose name was Eleazar, releasing people that were demoniacal in the presence of Vespasian, and his sons, and his captains, and the whole multitude of his soldiers. The manner of the cure was this: He put a ring that had a Foot of one of those sorts mentioned by Solomon to the nostrils of the demoniac, after which he drew out the demon through his nostrils; and when the man fell down immediately, he abjured him to return into him no more, making still mention of Solomon, and reciting the incantations which he composed. And when Eleazar would persuade and demonstrate to the spectators that he had such a power, he set a little way off a cup or basin full of water, and commanded the demon, as he went out of the man, to overturn it, and thereby to let the spectators know that he had left the man; and when this was done, the skill and wisdom of Solomon was shown very manifestly: for which reason it is, that all men may know the vastness of Solomon's abilities, and how he was beloved of God, and that the extraordinary virtues of every kind with which this king was endowed may not be unknown to any people under the sun for this reason, I say, it is that we have proceeded to speak so largely of these matters.gutenberg.org/files/2848/2848-h/2848-h.htm#link82HCH0001He also enjoined them to cut out large stones for the foundations of the temple, and that they should fit them and unite them together in the mountain, and so bring them to the city. This was done not only by our own country workmen, but by those workmen whom Hiram sent also. 6Rob " Does this refer to SOlomon got the demons to cut stones for him?He also dedicated for the most secret place, whose breadth was twenty cubits, and length the same, two cherubims of solid gold; the height of each of them was five cubits 8 they had each of them two wings stretched out as far as five cubits; wherefore Solomon set them up not far from each other, that with one wing they might touch the southern wall of the secret place, and with another the northern: their other wings, which joined to each other, were a covering to the ark, which was set between them; but nobody can tell, or even conjecture, what was the shape of these cherubims.Notice the structure was cherubims. (angels) There were four small quadrangular pillars that stood one at each corner; these had the sides of the base fitted to them on each quarter; they were parted into three parts; every interval had a border fitted to support [the laver]; upon which was engraven, in one place a lion, and in another place a bull, and an eagle. The small pillars had the same animals engraven that were engraven on the sides. The whole work was elevated, and stood upon four wheels, which were also cast, which had also naves and felloes, and were a foot and a half in diameter. Any one who saw the spokes of the wheels, how exactly they were turned, and united to the sides of the bases, and with what harmony they agreed to the felloes, would wonder at them.
Rob" like the visions in Ezekiel But although Solomon was become the most glorious of kings, and the best beloved by God, and had exceeded in wisdom and riches those that had been rulers of the Hebrews before him, yet did not he persevere in this happy state till he died. Nay, he forsook the observation of the laws of his fathers, and came to an end no way suitable to our foregoing history of him. He grew mad in his love of women, and laid no restraint on himself in his lusts; nor was he satisfied with the women of his country alone, but he married many wives out of foreign nations; Sidontans, and Tyrians, and Ammonites, and Edomites; and he transgressed the laws of Moses, which forbade Jews to marry any but those that were of their own people. He also began to worship their gods, which he did in order to the gratification of his wives, and out of his affection for them.
Some quote from Josephus, assuming we can trust his writings, but that is fine to me for now.
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 19:11:15 GMT -5
I found this about Solomon
God also enabled him to learn that skill which expels demons, YES – God gave him access to the information – insider information - revelation
which is a science useful and sanative to men. He composed such incantations also by which distempers are alleviated. And he left behind him the manner of using exorcisms, by which they drive away demons, so that they never return; and this method of cure is of great force unto this day; for I have seen a certain man of my own country, whose name was Eleazar, releasing people that were demoniacal in the presence of Vespasian, and his sons, and his captains, and the whole multitude of his soldiers.
YES – all demonology – exorcism – Judeo-Christian or Islamic = King Solomon writings
The manner of the cure was this: He put a ring that had a Foot of one of those sorts mentioned by Solomon to the nostrils of the demoniac, after which he drew out the demon through his nostrils; and when the man fell down immediately, he abjured him to return into him no more, making still mention of Solomon, and reciting the incantations which he composed.
the skill and wisdom of Solomon was shown very manifestly: for which reason it is, that all men may know the vastness of Solomon's abilities, and how he was beloved of God, and that the extraordinary virtues of every kind with which this king was endowed may not be unknown to any people under the sun for this reason, I say, it is that we have proceeded to speak so largely of these matters.
YES – God gave him access to the information – insider information - revelation
gutenberg.org/files/2848/2848-h/2848-h.htm#link82HCH0001 He also enjoined them to cut out large stones for the foundations of the temple, Rob " Does this refer to SOlomon got the demons to cut stones for him?
YES – IRONY
Gen 50:20 Yes, you yourselves planned evil against me. God planned it for good, in order to bring about what it is this day—to preserve the lives of many people.
You say – the serpent was evil in the garden Jews say – God used that evil so that Man would know salvation
You say – Egypt = evil Jews say – the Exodus was a Jer 1:5 to all the nations of the world the God if Israel = the One True God All ‘other gods’ are lesser – powerless – fake gods – false gods
You say Judas was evil I say – without Judas the Cross and Resurrection would not have opened salvation to all the world
You say Hitler was evil The Jews today teach – ½ of them were martyred for the Lord – the best way to die – Witness unto death Jews teach today – the other ½ returned to God – and God returned them to Israel - fulfillment of prophesy
Notice the structure was cherubims. (angels) YES - Guarding the Ark – Protecting the Ark – Covering the Ark AND - but nobody can tell, or even conjecture, what was the shape of these cherubims.
Rob" like the visions in Ezekiel YES – multi-dimensional beings
But although Solomon was become the most glorious of kings, and the best beloved by God, and had exceeded in wisdom and riches those that had been rulers of the Hebrews before him, yet did not he persevere in this happy state till he died. Nay, he forsook the observation of the laws of his fathers, and came to an end no way suitable to our foregoing history of him. He grew mad in his love of women, and laid no restraint on himself in his lusts; nor was he satisfied with the women of his country alone, but he married many wives out of foreign nations; Sidontans, and Tyrians, and Ammonites, and Edomites; and he transgressed the laws of Moses, which forbade Jews to marry any but those that were of their own people. He also began to worship their gods, which he did in order to the gratification of his wives, and out of his affection for them.
YES – Quote ‘ Just outside our field of view are entities that are anything but human – and thay have been manipulating our world from the outside from eons’ – David ike YES – King Solomon was allowed access into this invisible realm – interact with it And he died CRAZY running naked through the streets Running from his demons I imagine (I just made that up)
HUMOR – I have been married and divorced I feel so sorry for the Mormons – 6-8 wives all bitching at you about something AT THE SAME TIME King Solomon had 300 – it drove him insane Fact – women live longer than men Why – they are not married to women!
Some quote from Josephus, assuming we can trust his writings, but that is fine to me for now. Serious discussion Josephus is a Roman Historian – we have him today because he was a pro-Roman historian The Jewish Temple – and its Library was DESTROYED!
The Roman Edit The Hebrew Bible that the Jews use today – the Masoretic Text (WLC) Was written in 1080AD in Stalingrad – Russia Why doesn’t it come from Jewish Temple – where Jesus spoke The Catholic Received Text = Egyptian Septuagint – and Greek + letters gathered from Turkey – Greece – Rome – 7 Churches in ASIA Why doesn’t it come from Jewish Temple – where Jesus spoke?
Answer = the Roman Edit – Control of information = control of the population
Serious discussion Potions and incantations – spells – exorcisms of demons YES – all from King Solomon King Solomon is the source for all – witchcraft – black magic – everywhere Testament of Solomon is quoted with the agl/NT – if not a direct quote then it is referred to – or referenced in the agl/NT – most of this information is from The Key of Solomon – not as well documented as the Testament of Solomon Much newer text – confused with French legmention – or Latin Gortega – which are 17th century books on witchcraft
King Solomon is the source for all – witchcraft – black magic – everywhere YES – as your Walter Veith points out – it in the Kabbalah – the very ending of the Zohar TRUTH – every Rabbinic discussion about this section says – it is written so confusingly – man is not supposed to understand it
In Australia – do you know the story of Dr Frankenstein and his Monster? 100% Jewish
Is it in the Kabbalah - YES – because it is all in there
Seriously is this true – fact – or fiction Seriously Answer – in Judaism there is always 5 opinions – do they ever all agree – hardly
Is it in the Kabbalah - YES – because it is all in there
Question back at ya – ever see the movie The Exorcist? – 100% Roman Catholic! Every late night horror picture show = What protects you from a vampire or werewolf = a Silver Roman Cross
Some quote from Josephus, assuming we can trust his writings, but that is fine to me for now. We know he wrote with a pro-Roman slant His history reads – Jews unruly – defiant of Roman authority Much of Josephus = Caesar’s Messiah – all hail Emperor Caesar Tiberius the savior of the Holy lands
No one verse – or paragraph – book – or author has the whole story Precept upon precept, line upon line
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore. 1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; 1Th 5:21 but test all things, hold fast to what is good, 1Th 5:21 all things prove; that which is good hold fast;
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 21:18:04 GMT -5
Hang on Dave, before I wander through the next video, I want some discussion, Hey yourself – hang on – I was busy being brief This is not a race – and it would work better if you slowed down and participated
The Essenes Jews copied certain scrolls more often than others, certainly the OT books as I know them, Essenes : What scrolls did they copy most and why? Google it – do your own homework Do we have any books written by witnesses about how they lived and what beliefs they had? Every hear of the story of Masada? If not google it
Why weren't all the other books copied by the Essenes? Unknown – but the truth is – not all Temples had the exact same collection We know this – because they shared with one another
these other books not found in the common received OT, were they copied? Did all Jews see the other books as inspired? What makes an inspired book?
Again – the Jews weighted different texts with different value
The Torah was given to Moses by God – it is 100% GOLD Rabbis teach the Torah = the Template upon which creation formed buy the 22 letters
The Major Prophets were an AMAZING GROUP! – 99.9% Gold The Minor prophets were also amazing – 95% Gold AND THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE DETAIL
King Solomon – he was the WISEST MAN ON EARTH EVER – I think they take him pretty seriously
The Essenes Jews copied certain scrolls more often than others, certainly the OT books as I know them, Essenes : What scrolls did they copy most and why? ENOCH was found everywhere – Temple and Essenes Book of creation – War Scroll – Book of Giants
How do we know Solomon wrote about this demon, and getting the demon to cut stones for the temple? These are questions you have to defend for me to accept your view at all with some credibility. Answer = precept upon precept, line upon line – Psa 19:2+ Rom 1:19-20
King Solomon’s shedim = Islamic Jinn = Gnostic Archon = all the other gods of the 99% - Rome, Greece, Egypt, Australia, Indian, Philippines, Africa, South and North America = serpent race
EVEN TODAY – 3 major types of aliens Humanoids – Nordic – Whites Reptilian – and a bunch of hybrids / genetic manipulation
My understanding of the Illuminati, is the top 33rd Masons, some of them are Jews, and according to Walter Veith, his videos always places source documents all the time , the highest Jews and the Catholics and the Muslims are all friendly at the top, but "lower down" they are enemies for the "cattle", a term for the rest of us who do not know. And this higher wisdom sounds very Gnostic in principle. So I find you might be sucked into a Masonic mystic religion and you don't even know about it? If this is true and I have watched more than 60 videos of Walter Veith, and I say again, he always posts the source documents and quote directly from the Masons, He also shows pictures of the Mason symbols, I get the impression the higher up Jews, the 33rd Jewish Masons are working for the Catholics.
Truth – The Omega Conspiracy I (Dave) get the impression the higher up Jews ZIONIST, the 33rd Jewish Masons – Catholics - and are working for the.- BEAST I (Dave) – add – SHADOW GOVERNMENTS and their vaccine agendas – Alien collusion – UFOs – paranormal experiences – ghosts – mediums – SHADOW PEOPLE =
Some people call them demons, some call them the serpent race, Islam calls the Jinn Solomon calls the shedim – Greek translates this as ARCHON – KJV said principalities
Now my reason for saying all this, is because during the exile the Jews went to Babylon. What happened there? DO we really know? How much of the Bible was corrupted by additions to Babylonian religion, which is the real leader of the Masons, The Catholics are really Babylonians in guise. How do we know that Jews did not place another religion on top of the torah of Moses and thus added dozens of ideas, talmud, sages, and other mystic comments, all stemming from Babylonian sources? My point is the Jewish religion is not pure nor free from influence, anymore.
Agreed – nor is the textus receptus or the (WLC) – nor the Greek NT – nor the Catholic Church But the point = this was the common knowledge - the theology - the understanding of Jesus - His Disciples - and His audience
Maybe Dillon is right, I have too much Walter Veith behind me, to sympathize with your view, YES – and I sympathize - it is hard to unlearn
He used to be an Atheist, than a Catholic, than a SDA. His father was a Mason, very high up, enough to receive the secret book, which Walter has, and should have been killed for having it. Been in prison a few times, but not killed yet. Jim Arbitto was killed by the Masons. Maybe the Masons do not care about truth any more, they are too powerful, these days
but than you wiped out the videos of Walter Veith too easily. Walter Veith promotes the wrong message – 1- He is SDA 2- he is anti-Jewish 3 – and anti-Mason
Not everything Don Patton said is a lie Not everything Walter Veith said is a lie But they push their own agenda
I have no more particular discuss with them – than I have for Joyce Meyer – Benny Hinn – Sung-Mung-Moon – Joseph Smith – or Charles Rusell All of the speak some truth - But they push their own agenda
questions for you: Solomon and the demons. Does the writings of Solomon explain where the demons came from? In the video I watched it seemed to suggest one demon was made or was the result of a heavenly angel? is this correct? YOU ARE CORRECT – Belzebul was fathered by an “ARCH-Angel” – name not provided Belzebul was fathered by an “ARCHon-Messenger” – name not provided
This suggests to me the demons are something associated naturally with God and God's world? Is this correct? associated with God's natural world = YES Solomon = they are biological life forms – but unlike us – of a higher dimension – from another dimension Gnostic - They are created with “SOME MATTER”
Does the Solomon account explain why earth has these demons? NO – only that they interfere with man – cause calamity – mislead man Solomon = Belzebul = the god of the Philistines – an ‘other god’ of the Levant Solomon = Belzebul = the Chief Demon of all the demons – all living in the Levant Approx 630ish AD – Mohammed collected all the ‘other gods’ of the Levant - placed them in the Kaba and declared – Allah is the supreme god of all the ‘other gods’
Does the Solomon account explain why earth has these demons?
Sounds very Christian to me
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 4:51:22 GMT -5
Nice answers Dave.
But why if the archons are for testing us, as the article is very comforting about us need testing to develop our potential, do the archons do more than just test us, they destroy, take away our homes, our money and kill our lives as well. How is that a test?
Another question, why are the archon pictured as weird evil looking creatures?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 5:03:04 GMT -5
youtu.be/P6eoeIrvYbE Solomon & The Demons Onoskelis & Beelzebub: Testament of Solomon (Part 2): Demonology
And explain the manifestations of the demons Are there any female demons Onoskelis a spirit which has been made into a body harm themselves an fuel my appepite for further mischief. They wish to obtain money by the worship of me... she was made powerless and spin the hemp night and day
Question" Where does this come from? I assume Solomon wrote it down somewhere?
Question" How can a spirit be made into a body with some matter? What does this mean I wonder?
Question" Are there any descriptions of the demons? this female one has legs like as ass?
Is this a functional description of God's very good creative abilities? Something is amiss...
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Post by Dave on May 13, 2022 13:51:52 GMT -5
But why if the archons are for testing us, as the article is very comforting about us need testing to develop our potential The more you study Judaism – the more Christian it appears POINT – the words of the agl/NT – are not new and different ideas The agl/NT is packed cover to cover with ancient Hebrew teachingdo the archons do more than just test us, they destroy, take away our homes, our money and kill our lives as well. How is that a test?1- Book of Job 2- the shedim/archon have the power to manipulate nature Pray to me – and I’ll make it rain Disobey me – and here comes a freezing drought – Tornados (Wind) – sickness 3- why sickness – because both Enoch and the Book of jubilees say – they are the masters of medicine Enoch specifically says – the (bane elohiym) taught women – potions –elixirs - medicines – and magic spells SERIOUS DISCUSSIONMagic = advance knowledge / technology Medicines = they can manipulate nature – worms (germs) move in or out – Medicines = advanced knowledge (compare modern man with ancient man) Potions and Elixirs = chemistry – advanced knowledge Miracles as chemistry - Elijah called fire down upon a water soaked alter – had his enemies pour even more water on the alter just to be sure – It BURST INTO FLAMES - Biblical Napalm Spells and Incantations – for me – this is SOUND WAVES – harmonic vibrations Get the chant just right – and the opera glass will shatter Please youtube any video about The Science of ‘Resonance Cymatics” Frequency = shape Please youtube any video about Sonoluminescence
To check my spelling I just opened this youtu.be/O9B3vzsZsr4 (3:11min) I am 0:50 in and moved to tears thinking about god and the starsNow I want to ask you to watch – Stars is NOT what you think they are! Expectation vs Realityyoutu.be/oM7dsZdN8ds (16:55) This is exactly how I see creation – God spoke – the word vibrated – spread out like sound waves – the vibrational E that sustains / fuels/ supplies all physical reality – your medium The word itself = creationDave’s imagination – The Word vibrating throughout the waters Notice the peaks and valleys Peak = positive amplitude – tov Valleys = amplitude cancelation - ra Are you familiar with a “Hawaiian Lei”? Drape each peak with an Hawaiian Lei – and make the water invisible = you would have a universe filled with dancing / vibrating strings = String Theory Physics Serious DiscussionSolomon & The Demons Onoskelis & Beelzebub: Testament of Solomon (Part 2): Demonology Am I saying this is all factual information – unknown – open to interpretation? This is my point1- This is Jewish theology Does every Jew knows and study this – NO But it is part of the Jewish Kabbalah Rabbis never teach this outright – but if you listen to them – or read them - they all references these stories from (the wisdoms and experiences of their forefathers) 2- This documentation is the source work for both the Gortega and the Le mengtion – which are the foundation of Allister Crowley’s Satanic bible 3- This is also consistent with – Hattian Voodoo – African Witch doctors – pagan healers – witchcraft and black magic 4- This is also the base work for the Islamic Jinn – pretty much the exact same story YES – the ahl/OT for the Muslim = Abraham and Israel WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?I am not asking you to watch each and every video – but video 16 = youtu.be/x8nMZL_7NWIThe 72 Kings of Hell: The Most Powerful Infernal Demons: Ars Goetia: Lesser Key of Solomon1:47 – King Solomon bound 72 demons to hell1:57 – 1st = Baal – 2:19 aka Belzebul / Beelzebub – Lord of the Flies 2nd – 72nd – named and identified 36:00 – Solomon bound all these demons / shedim / archon in a box and cast into the lake The Babylonians thought it to be treasure – found it and opened it PANDORA’s BOX? 36:35 – these 72 are ruled by 4 rulers = The Kings of the East, West, North, and South – the 4 manifestations of Lucifer himself Why do I add this? – it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic(google) What is the meaning of 72 Hoor? The concept of 72 hoors is mentioned in Hadith - the sayings of Muhammad. According to Hadith, the messenger of God said, "Every one that God admits into the paradise will be married to 72 houries (wives) who are beautiful and virgins, with whom they can have eternal physical satisfaction ". Why do I add this? - it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic – and 100% Gnostic (NHL)Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. The Hypostasis of the Archons - NHLThis ruler, (the First Archon) by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety." On the Origin of the World - NHLAnd when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being. Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, "Child, pass through to here," whose equivalent is 'yalda baoth'. Since that day, there appeared the principle of verbal expression, which reached the gods and the angels and mankind. And what came into being as a result of verbal expression, the gods and the angels and mankind finished. … Next, the ruler had a thought - consistent with his nature - and by means of verbal expression he created an androgyne. … Seven appeared in chaos, androgynous. … And as he had authority, he made himself first of all a mansion. It is huge, magnificent, seven times as great as all those that exist in the seven heavens. And before his mansion he created a throne, … and seven archangels that stand before it; … All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples. And by that throne he created other, serpent-like angels Why do I add this? – Precept upon precept, line upon line It is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic – and 100% Gnostic (NHL)Jewish shedim = Islamic Jinn = Gnostic Archon All of it is bane elohiym Gen 6 / Nephilim Gen 6 / Chimeras Gen 6POINT – none of this has anything to do with Ezk 28 or Catholic Fallen Question" Where does this come from? I assume Solomon wrote it down somewhere?Videos 1-15 = The Testament of King Solomon Video 16 = The Key of Solomon – not necessarily from Solomon Another question, why are the archon pictured as weird evil looking creatures?1- Judaism – I have never read your answer But – in one of the video I host her by the Rabbi – I think he says something like (memory) they were made in the dark or darkness 2- Enoch does not say – only that they were to gross looking for women to accept them as they are So they morphed / changed / shape shifter – into something more handsome 3- NHL Gnostic – says – they were an aborted fetus The Apocryphon of John - NHL"And the Sophia of the Epinoia, being an aeon, conceived a thought from herself and the conception of the invisible Spirit and foreknowledge. She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. And though the person of her maleness had not approved, and she had not found her agreement, and she had thought without the consent of the Spirit and the knowledge of her agreement, (yet) she brought forth. And because of the invincible power which is in her, her thought did not remain idle, and something came out of her which was imperfect and different from her appearance, because she had created it without her consort. And it was dissimilar to the likeness of its mother, for it has another form.
"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. And he joined with his arrogance which is in him and begot authorities for himself.The Hypostasis of the Archons - NHLBut I said, "Sir, teach me about the faculty of these authorities – how did they come into being, and by what kind of genesis, and of what material, and who created them and their force?"
And the great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: "Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.
Now when his offspring Sabaoth saw the force of that angel, he repented and condemned his father and his mother, matter. He loathed her, but he sang songs of praise up to Sophia and her daughter Zoe. And Sophia and Zoe caught him up and gave him charge of the seventh heaven, below the veil between above and below. And he is called 'God of the forces, Sabaoth', since he is up above the forces of chaos, for Sophia established him.
Now when these (events) had come to pass, he made himself a huge four-faced chariot of cherubim, and infinitely many angels to act as ministers, and also harps and lyres. And Sophia took her daughter Zoe and had her sit upon his right to teach him about the things that exist in the eighth (heaven); and the angel of wrath she placed upon his left. Since that day, his right has been called 'life'; and the left has come to represent the unrighteousness of the realm of absolute power above. It was before your time that they came into being.
Now when Yaldabaoth saw him (Sabaoth) in this great splendor and at this height, he envied him; and the envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes. But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained."There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was expressed; and their parent; and their universe."Question" How can a spirit be made into a body with some matter? What does this mean I wonder? And explain the manifestations of the demonsDave – I love Jacques Valley – astro-physicist – French Air Force Intelligence – UFO researcher Best explained as – INTRA-DIMENTIONAL VISITATION Onoskelis a spirit which has been made into a bodyThey can appear in our dimension Explains – multi-faced creatures Not just archon – but angels – appearing to the shepherds – to Mary – to Lot – to Abraham Are there any female demons Question" Are there any descriptions of the demons? this female one has legs like as ass?Each of the 2-15 videos – Solomon calls forth a demon or group of demons – each is described female one has legs like as ass = 100% Satyr – Biblical and mythicalMan only - harm themselves and fuel my appepite for further mischief. They wish to obtain money by the worship of me...I took that as prostitution – sex sells –she was made powerless and spin the hemp night and dayCorrect and that is the entire POINTThey are powerless over you – unless you let themEach and every archon/sheim has an overseer – to limit its actions Even Belzebul needed Arch-Angel Uriel permission to appear to Solomon The Gospel of the Egyptians - NHLAfter five thousand years, the great light Eleleth spoke: "Let someone reign over the chaos and Hades." And there appeared a cloud whose name is hylic Sophia [...] She looked out on the parts of the chaos, her face being like [...] in her form [...] blood. And the great angel Gamaliel spoke to the great Gabriel, the minister of the great light Oroiael; he said, "Let an angel come forth, in order that he may reign over the chaos and Hades." Then the cloud, being agreeable, came forth in the two monads, each one of which had light. [...] the throne, which she had placed in the cloud above.s this a functional description of God's very good creative abilities? Something is amiss...You miss – because you are stuck in Feel Good Christian Land – pray for world peace all you want – it is not going to happen according to scripture / prophesyReality check – Gen 3:15Authoritative Teaching - NHLAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worlds
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 16:04:27 GMT -5
Greetings Happy Sabbath
D"To check my spelling I just opened this youtu.be/O9B3vzsZsr4 (3:11min) I am 0:50 in and moved to tears thinking about god and the stars R" Yes God's creation may not be what Science says it is afterall.
D" Now I want to ask you to watch – Stars is NOT what you think they are! Expectation vs Reality youtu.be/oM7dsZdN8ds (16:55)
R" Pastor Leou Giglo I have watched many of his videos, fantastic.
D"Serious Discussion Solomon & The Demons Onoskelis & Beelzebub: Testament of Solomon (Part 2): Demonology Am I saying this is all factual information R" Hmm? I have researched a bit and find the whole thing questionable?
In later years, in mostly non-biblical circles, Solomon also came to be known as a magician and an exorcist, with numerous amulets and medallion seals dating from the Hellenistic period invoking his name.[10]
Cannot confirm this quote, as it is in another language?
If SOlomon really did get demons involved with the temple, why are they recorded in the OT torah, or talked about in other OT books SOlomon wrote? I think much of this stuff is hijacked by mystics.
D"Why do I add this? – it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic
(google) What is the meaning of 72 Hoor? The concept of 72 hoors is mentioned in Hadith - the sayings of Muhammad. According to Hadith, the messenger of God said, "Every one that God admits into the paradise will be married to 72 houries (wives) who are beautiful and virgins, with whom they can have eternal physical satisfaction ". R" You seem to mix Muslim religion with Jewish religion and make it Gnostic? Is this wise?
D"Why do I add this? - it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic – and 100% Gnostic (NHL) R" You are mixing material you consider inspired,
you even ignore the material that is inspired....
I think you are deceived and your entertain yourself that this is truth to you.
Can you prove that Solomon actually wrote this material in the videos I watched? Or were they added by others who want us to believe in mystic and magic?
D"And when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being. Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, "Child, pass through to here," whose equivalent is 'yalda baoth'. R" I find this false for several reasons already....
1) The Father actually does this using the left and right hands....so the HS is just an expression of the Father?
2) that aside, there is no evidence of the HS creating anything on her own, without her consort, the heavenly Father.
3) It goes against God's very functional declaration, demons and shedim are RA, not functional at all.
D"I assume Solomon wrote it down somewhere? R" You base your whole religion on words you assume are written and make sense, you even pick and choose which ones are best.
I base my faith on the torah as it reads in Hebrew. It's well written, exact copied, and dozens of real copies exist.
Its also commonly received, proving people wanted to read and copy it. D"1- Judaism – I have never read your answer But – in one of the video I host her by the Rabbi – I think he says something like (memory) they were made in the dark or darkness 2- Enoch does not say – only that they were to gross looking for women to accept them as they are So they morphed / changed / shape shifter – into something more handsome 3- NHL Gnostic – says – they were an aborted fetus R" Hmm? this is not functional, made in darkness like an aborted fetus, is weird and not something GOD would do/
Sorry I do not buy into this ugly dysfunctional stuff you claim. Scripture clearly says where the shedim come from, but you ignore the Bible, as do Jews so it seems. that tiresome passage Ezekiel wrote regarding a man claiming to be a god, like the shedim so long ago, who also sinned, they are now fallern cherubs. You ignore this, because you love the mystic Gnostic wisdom from other sources.
D"and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. And he joined with his arrogance which is in him and begot authorities for himself. R" How can you believe this when the Father created Yaltaboath? WHy would the Father create archons, who kill, test and destroy man, that is not developing free will, that is causing murder.
FOr example, what happened to Jobs Sons? The archon murders them using human agents.
How is that a test for JOb's sons? No testing here.
Second question: How can Yaltabaoth create more archons after Himself? How is that possible for a creature? DId He sex himself? Or did the Father create more archons for Yaltabaoth?
So if the Father creates both good and bad things, both living and dying things, both light and darkness, both hot and cold, both archons and humans, why than does the Father set up in Eden two trees, one called living, and the other called dying (good and bad)?
Than it wouldn't matter which tree you choose because both are created by the Father, and the Father can redeem you even if you disobey. So the Father has no universal laws defining love?
SO the Father is the author of both good and bad? The Father murders and destroys too.
The Father does not mind his archons killing humans. There is no sinning here because the Father has no laws to judge us by. And since the Father does not follow his own laws, how can the Father expect us humans to obey the same laws?
You my friend are so weird with your theories. If the Father really is loving , that tells me love has a problem. Something the Father cannot know, the problem if free will creatures choose not to love. Not loving God is termed missing God. Not really a big deal.
But than when GOD existed so did the laws of love. These were quantified for humans in humans words, but there has to be laws for love and how to love correctly. But this raises a problem, can behaviour be limited by laws? Can motives be bounded by boundaries of law?
And transgressions of the boundaries of love, is a big deal to God. Penalty is immediate ceasing to exist.
I like to think yes, but within those boundaries is no law, only the freedom to do as you wish. This would puzzle a law reader, like a guarding cherub. what are these boundaries of laws for?
What happens if I go beyond those boundaries of law?
Subjects like the atom never pass beyond such laws.
Only a free will mind could entertain such thoughts.
And so one day the cherub decided to go beyond the boundaries of law and sin.
In my view there has to be law, and the Father is subject to law as much as His creatures are. This law relates to the boundaries of love. But you ignore this idea too, and make fun of the laws written by the finger of GOD, twice.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2022 8:33:25 GMT -5
In later years, in mostly non-biblical circles, Solomon also came to be known as a magician and an exorcist, with numerous amulets and medallion seals dating from the Hellenistic period invoking his name. Cannot confirm this quote, as it is in another language? Doesn’t matter – I agree – King Solomon is the source for all black magic and witchraft
D"Why do I add this? – it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic D"Why do I add this? - it is 100% Jewish + 100% Islamic – and 100% Gnostic (NHL) R" You are mixing material you consider inspired,
1- There are 3 Abrahamic Faith – Judaism first – that branched into Christianity and Islam The foundation of Islam is Abraham and Isaac
The entire history of the ahl/OT = Israel –vrs- the ‘other gods’ of the Levant The entire history of the ahl/OT = Israel –vrs- the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and Belzebul was their commander The entire history of the ahl/OT = Israel –vrs- the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and Baal was their commander Today the state of Israel –vrs- the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and Allah is their commander
I think you are deceived and your entertain yourself that this is truth to you. Turn on your TV – watch any story about the Middle East – Israel –vrs- Allah / Baal
D"And when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being. Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, "Child, pass through to here," whose equivalent is 'yalda baoth'. R" I find this false for several reasons already....
1) The Father actually does this using the left and right hands....so the HS is just an expression of the Father? Correct – Only One True God – two hands – Spirit and Form – Spirit and Christ
2) that aside, there is no evidence of the HS creating anything on her own, without her consort, the heavenly Father. However – it fits Jewish theology – and the concept of the left and right hands However – it fits JChristian theology – and the concept of the left and right hands
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
According to you Jesus must have told a lie - ask us to do the impossible
3) It goes against God's very functional declaration, demons and shedim are RA, not functional at all. There is your ASS – putting up your ignorance barrier so you don’t have to understand NO ONE SAYS THEY WERE CREATED WITH RA You just say this so you can argue against yourself
I base my faith on the torah as it reads in Hebrew. It's well written, exact copied, and dozens of real copies exist. See – you just make up facts The most current Hebrew copy is from 1080AD and you don’t even use it The most current Greek Textus Receptus Copy is from 250 BC Egypt
And you admit – you will only look at 1% of the total information And deny reality in the process
Scripture clearly says where the shedim come from, but you ignore the Bible, as do Jews so it seems. that tiresome passage Ezekiel wrote regarding a man claiming to be a god, like the shedim so long ago, who also sinned, they are now fallern cherubs. You ignore this, because you love the mystic Gnostic wisdom from other sources.
Jews say – if God created a thing – there is it No cow every changed into a different animal God created your cherub – they are cherub – they are what God programed them to be God created your cherub – and they do what they were designed to do
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The Beast was made by Him – why do you deny scripture
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: By Him for Him – why do you deny scripture
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. He created all things – for his pleasure – why do you deny scripture
FOr example, what happened to Jobs Sons? The archon murders them using human agents. How is that a test for JOb's sons? No testing here. It isn’t – it is Jobs testing – they are innocent victims (thus the fairness of the do-over) Who is being tested in Ukraine today – only Putin and Zelinski?
Second question: How can Yaltabaoth create more archons after Himself? DId He sex himself? Or did the Father create more archons for Yaltabaoth? Sometimes – it feels like I am have a conversation with an adolescent But since you have to include sex – please google mitosis – or asexual reproduction – or budding
So if the Father creates both good and bad things, both living and dying things, both light and darkness, both hot and cold, both archons and humans, why than does the Father set up in Eden two trees, one called living, and the other called dying (good and bad)?
To allow our FREE WILL CHOICE
Than it wouldn't matter which tree you choose because both are created by the Father, and the Father can redeem you even if you disobey.
YOU NEED TO STUDY THE PRODIGAL SON
So the Father has no universal laws defining love? God’s love is unrequited – the concept to above your understand evidently
SO the Father is the author of both good and bad?
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
The Father murders and destroys too. The flood - Sodom and Gamorrah - Judgment - Lake of Fire
Lev 10:2 So fire came out from the presence of Adonai and consumed them. So they died before Adonai.
The Father does not mind his archons killing humans.
NO archon has ever killed a man – man kills man
There is no sinning here because the Father has no laws to judge us by.
Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
And since the Father does not follow his own laws, how can the Father expect us humans to obey the same laws? All animals have a different commandment from Gen 1 The Torah was written for man to man What laws must God obey
STOP MAKING YOUR god A CREATED THING Why hasn’t God multiplied and filled the earth? - DUH
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2022 10:57:45 GMT -5
3) It goes against God's very functional declaration, demons and shedim are RA, not functional at all. There is your ASS – putting up your ignorance barrier so you don’t have to understand NO ONE SAYS THEY WERE CREATED WITH RA You just say this so you can argue against yourself You know this is NOT what the Rabbis teach or me – so why do you say it? ------------------
So if the Father creates both good and bad things, both living and dying things, both light and darkness, both hot and cold, both archons and humans, why than does the Father set up in Eden two trees, one called living, and the other called dying (good and bad)?
To allow our FREE WILL CHOICE
Than it wouldn't matter which tree you choose because both are created by the Father, and the Father can redeem you even if you disobey.
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1- you think the cycle of life is a sin – it evil – a result of your evil satan Birth – growth – reproduction- death – and rebirth – IS A WITNESS to the GOSPEL
Even the most backwards jungle pagan understands – through death = life The American Indian – always gave thanks for the life of his hunt because it sustains life
God made the heavens – they are not 3D matter God made the earth – 3D matter – the Beast appeared – because entropy is inherent to physical creation – it will all wind down – it will all pass away
Life within 3D reality is harsh – hard – unrewarding – and temporary
Nature – is not evil or corrupted – it is in such a delicate balance that science cannot deny the Intelligent Design
2- Your FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN background forces you to say – God cannot make ra / cause ra / use ra IT IS A FALSE TEACHING
Your FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN background forces you to say – nothing ever died before Gen 3 Absolute zero supporting evidence from any other source - = ERROR
Your FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN background forces you to say – it was satan’s fault that Eve had a choice Your FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN background forces you to say – it was satan’s fault Eve choose poorly Your FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN background MAKES YOU A VICTUM
You pretend to be a FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN – but you preach hate satan hated god – became god’s arch-enemy – and satan hates man – and because of all this hate the world was redefined
Jews and Gnostic preach LOVE God created the world with a balance of tov and ra = Intelligent Design YES – it is a harsh world – because it is NOT HEAVEN and is removed from heaven –more distant – more removed from God than just heaven
Adam and Eve were in Eden – not the world Eden was a paradise
Ever been on a vacation – just to sit and watch the beach or the mountain = boring What is man supposed to do – to feel satisfied as a man – to feel fulfilled ANSWER – man has only one assignment – commission – mission – purpose
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
Jews preach LOVE How could Adam and Eve do their job in Paradise? They cannot! Eve – the female – understood this deeper than the male – Adam So Eve chose to serve God – Eve Loved God so much she took on a mission to the world Eve was the first prophet – first evangelical – she was the first to misson to the world
Adam had a choice – stay behind with God – the son that stayed at home Or follow Eve into hell to stand with her – the Son that entered the world – only to return to God
YOU NEED TO STUDY THE PRODIGAL SON
Dave – The Jewish story is a nice metaphor It acknowledges that – Adam and Eve might have been 2 people – or representative of the first Hono Sapiens (man)
Just as Rom 5:12 could just be representative of all mankind – because all men are sinners because all men are created with (yester ra) – selfishness
In Judaism – Eden – always exist – never stopped – they call it Heaven 3 In agreement with Paul and Enoch In Judaism – Eve stepped down from Eden into the World
Robert – the world was created as Eden – but in Gen 3 it all corrupted / fell
Gnostic and Mainstream Christianity – Eden and world are two different locations Eden is an Oasis on/in the world of tov and ra When Adan and Eve were ejected from Eden – the only thing that change was Adam and Eve moved Eden remain – guarded – but still the source of the 4 Rivers until the flood
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 16:24:42 GMT -5
D"Nature – is not ...corrupted –
R" Ge 3:17 ....cursed is the ground for thy sake; What's this than?
Ge 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee What's this than?
Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face What's this than?
Ge 3:16 .., I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; What's this than?
he shall rule over thee. What's this than?
unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; What's this than?
SOunds like the Creation got corrupted after Adam sinned.
D"Absolute zero supporting evidence from any other source - = ERROR R" Where is your evidence than, that things outside Eden naturally died? There should billions of layers of coal from the 4 billion years of plants growing and getting covered up, but instead only a single coal event is there, many layers of earth all laid during the Noah flood. You have no evidence of natural death....such a thing happened only after Adam sinned.
D"You pretend to be a FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN – but you preach hate R" This is your lying. We seek a God of love, and we oppose the sin in our lives and the agent who also first sinned, and it his agent is allowed to live on earth tempting humans to also sin. And if we sin it is because we choose to sin, not because the agent forces us to sin, God limits the agent and his influence so we are able to stand under God's faith, if we choose, so no one has excuses.
D"Jews and Gnostic preach LOVE God created the world with a balance of tov and ra = Intelligent Design YES – it is a harsh world R" You do not have an origin of sin, in fact you have no sinning as my view has. You have humans with embedded tov and ra within, and the humans have to fight against the embedded ra and seek the tov. Failure to do this is termed sin according to you view.
You have no universal laws in which God judges humans and judges Himself.
In my view the universal laws of love, (sin is defined as transgression of LAW) , hence GOD is just because God follows His own LAW. God is on trial by those who sin, saying God is not just and fair. You ignore the real war that sinning causes. If an agent wants to be like the Most High, they seek to dissolve the laws and rules making boundaries for love. But you have no universal law, you claim your God can do anything He likes including killing humans God does not like.
How do you measure yester Tov if you have no way to measure love without universal LAW? How do you know yester RA if you have no universal LAW to define the RA as sin?
Would GOD speak against His own universal LAW, the LAW written twice with His own finger in Hebrew? NO Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Joh 15:10.... I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
It says here GOD guards the Father's commandments to abide in His love. Jesus is speaking here.
But you mock saying God can kill ? There are many words in Hebrew for kill, and ratsach is not one of them. It means to wound. If God gives you living, can't God withdraw the living probation from you?
Some of us mock God, as if we understand all that God does and why God does things. I would be careful.
D"How could Adam and Eve do their job in Paradise? They cannot! R" False concept. You seek a paradise int he new world, is this boring to you?
Ge 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
SOunds like plenty of work here written in the Eden account before sinning occurred in Eden.
D"Just as Rom 5:12 could just be representative of all mankind – because all men are sinners because all men are created with (yester ra) – selfishness R" No, we are established as sinners, not created sinners. Adam did not have yester ra created in Him, he was perfect. The only way yester ra came into Adam was when the serpent of the dying die tree influenced Adam to do sinning. The serpent also deceived, made a false report, and thus wounded the couple. This is termed in the judgement's a mischief, worthy of eternal death. The serpent is awaiting his sentence.
D"Gnostic and Mainstream Christianity – Eden and world are two different locations R" Prove this to me from Scripture. Eden was on earth.
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2022 20:43:34 GMT -5
D"Nature – is not ...corrupted – R" Ge 3:17 ....cursed is the ground for thy sake; What's this than? For man’s sake – man will have to work hard for his supper – no more paradise
Ge 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee What's this than? For man’s sake – man will have to work hard for his supper – no more paradise
Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face What's this than? For man’s sake – man will have to work hard for his supper – no more paradise
You forgot Gen 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
You also forgot God’s apology to the earth Gen 9:13 My rainbow do I place in the cloud, and it will be a sign of the covenant between Me and the land.
Ge 3:16 .., I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; What's this than? For man’s sake – man will have to work hard for his supper – no more paradise Dumb animals don’t suffer the same intensity of pain and woman
unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; What's this than? The only Beast of the field to be thrown into the Lake of Fire
SOunds like the Creation got corrupted after Adam sinned. Sounds like man is no longer in paradise and has to work and pay taxes Sounds like the serpent – is forced to the ground (those that teach both fell at the same time) Sounds like gen 3:15 – the Contest between man and WORLD and man and archon
he shall rule over thee. What's this than?
Multiple answers 1- In Judaism – if a man please God – his whole family is saved / blessed Eve was the one that could not be trusted – man is responsible for salvation and bringing God into the home
Jesus speaks – Book of Thomas – ‘ Woman is under a man’s subjection – until she becomes a man’ Gnostic translation – once the woman steps up to govern her own salvation – now she is responsible Rahab – is a great example – no man to depend on so she had to step up for the Lord
2- he shall rule over thee. - What's this than? You and I have been married more than once – just sounds like an argument to me
D"Absolute zero supporting evidence from any other source - = ERROR R" Where is your evidence than, that things outside Eden naturally died? Piles and Piles – museums are filled with it
There should billions of layers of coal from the 4 billion years of plants growing and getting covered up, but instead only a single coal event Proof that sometime after Day 4 – microbes began to decay fiber
D"You pretend to be a FEEL GOOD CHRISTIAN – but you preach hate R" This is your lying. We seek a God of love, and we oppose the sin in our lives and the agent who also first sinned, and it his agent is allowed to live on earth tempting humans to also sin. And if we sin it is because we choose to sin, not because the agent forces us to sin, God limits the agent and his influence so we are able to stand under God's faith, if we choose, so no one has excuses.
WOW – you almost made it all the way through with mentioning yuour satan – but there he is the agent who also first sinned – Rom 5:12 sin enter the world through one human being Stop denying scripture
And if we sin it is because we choose to sin, - was isn’t it Eve’s fault? You argue satan lied to her – so it his fault
not because the agent forces us to sin WHAT – you spent 2 years teaching kathistēmi means satan rules everyone
God limits the agent and his influence so we are able to stand under God's faith Your Great Controversy does not say this – it says Jesus and satan are locked in an eternal cosmic controversy
D"Jews and Gnostic preach LOVE God created the world with a balance of tov and ra = Intelligent Design YES – it is a harsh world R" You do not have an origin of sin, STOP IT and STOP DENYING SCRIPTURE
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man Rom 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, Rom 5:12 Wherfore, as by one man sinne entred into the worlde
in fact you have no sinning as my view has. Correct – all you see is sin everywhere – but within yourself
You have humans with embedded tov and ra within, STOP IT – you know this is not Jewish or my teaching
If you want to have a serious discussion have one - I’ll just stop here STOP MISSREPRESNTING ME AND JUDAISM – You are deliberately bearing a false witness over and over – you say it is a sin - and you keep choosing to do in it print
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 4:31:51 GMT -5
D"For man’s sake – man will have to work hard for his supper – no more paradise
R" You are implying the Eden paradise was lost to them, and they went into the world, which was already with much natural RA, cyclic decaying and decomposing things, etc. SO they went from one location of bliss to another of natural ra where they had to work hard for their supper.
OK I get you, sounds OK I guess.
Why is there no mention of Solomon's demons in the OT Chronicles or Kings?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 15, 2022 7:53:51 GMT -5
R" You are implying the Eden paradise was lost to them, and they went into the world, which was already with much natural RA, cyclic decaying and decomposing things, etc. SO they went from one location of bliss to another of natural ra where they had to work hard for their supper. D"Gnostic and Mainstream Christianity – Eden and world are two different locations R" Prove this to me from Scripture. Eden was on earth.Gen 3:23 Adonai Elohim sent him away from the Garden of Eden, to work the ground from which he had been taken. Gen 3:24 And He expelled the man; and at the east of the Garden of Eden He had cheruvim dwell along, with the whirling sword of flame, to guard the way to the Tree of Life. Gen 2:10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden. From there it divided and became four riverheads. Gen 2:11 The name of the first is Pishon, the one that winds around the whole land of the Havilah, where there is gold. Gen 2:12 The gold of that land is good—bdellium and lapis lazuli stones are also there. Gen 2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon—it winds around the whole land of Cush. Gen 2:14 The name of the third river is Tigris—it runs east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. Gen 2:15 Then Adonai Elohim took the man and gave him rest in the Garden of Eden in order to cultivate and watch over it. The 4 Rivers flowed out of Eden – Eden and the 4 rivers remained until the flood --------------- D"How could Adam and Eve do their job in Paradise? They cannot! R" False concept. Ge 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. SOunds like plenty of work here written in the Eden account before sinning occurred in Eden.(LXX) G2038 - ἐργάζομαι - Middle voice from G2041; to toil (as a task, occupation, etc.), (by implication) effect, be engaged in or with, etc.: - commit, do, labor for, minister about, trade (by), work. Are you teaching that man went from hard work to hard work?Gen 2:15 (TLV) Then Adonai Elohim took the man and gave him rest in the Garden of Eden in order to cultivate and watch over it. (WLC) Masoretic text = H5117 נוּחַ nuwach (noo'-ach) v. 1. to completely rest (i.e. completely settle down). 2. (used widely) to dwell, stay, let fall, place, let alone, withdraw, give comfort, etc. {used in a great variety of applications, literal and figurative, intransitive, transitive and causative} The curse is from REST / COMFORT to hard work----------------- Why is there no mention of Solomon's demons in the OT Chronicles or Kings?My guess (and its only a guess) this was considered secrete information – a different topic – thus a different scroll POINT – no one cares if this information is perfectly correct The POINT is this was always Jewish DemonologyWhy do I care – because Jewish demonology = Christian Demonology - AND – it is also Islamic DemonologyI know you are a Roman Christian and have been taught NOT to understand Islam However – how does Ezk 39 and on unfold without Islam IS NOT EVERY END TIMES PROPHESY SUGGEST ISLAM – if it does – who is Allah? Why do I care – because Jewish demonology = Christian Demonology - AND – it is also Islamic Demonology – and is discussed by James, John, Paul, Peter, and Phillip in the Nag Hammadi Library
There is only one theology – because there in Only One True GodDeu 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods (shedim) they had not known—to new ones who came in lately, ones your fathers had not dreaded. Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Psa 106:37 They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons. (shedim) Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, Rev 12:9 And the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. Shedim = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas demons = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas devils = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas satanas = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas The Beast = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas The Archon = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas The SERPENT RACE = the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and the world – who are devils and satanas There is only one theology – because there in Only One True GodThe POINT – this was/is Jewish satan and Jewish demonologyThe Jews live it – face to face Surprise it is also the demonology of those ‘other gods’ Surprise it is still the demonology of the Jew and Islam today Surprise – it was the demonology / theology of Jesus – His disciples – His followers - and His audience To complete the total theme – I have 2 more – hopefully not to long – videosponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/565/talmud-demons-jinn[quote author=" Dave" source="/post/7787/thread" Demons and Demonology in the Talmud & Early Rabbinic Literature - Jewish Conceptions of Demons 27;25 min MY POINT HERE – is just to present Jewish demonology[/quote] Robert - this Rabbi speak specifically about Walter Veith - 8:35-10:10And I’ll post a short video – discussing the Jinn MY POINT WITH ALL THIS IS – it is all the same story – there is only One TheologyThe first record of these archon = the ahl/OT All other theologies / religions are all base on Judaism and the ahl/OT The Torah is the base for all of itTHEN – we need to discuss this:
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