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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 17:28:36 GMT -5
D" Hebrew New Testament (Modern Translation) with Strong's ...https://accordancebible.com › Shop The Modern Hebrew translation of the New Testament was produced by The Bible Society in Israel in the 1970s. This version is tagged with Key numbers (Greek ... Rom. 5:12 ¶ לְפִיכָךְ, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁעַל־יְדֵי אָדָם אֶחָד 1בָּא הַחֵטְא לָעוֹלָם, וְעֵקֶב הַחֵטְא 2בָּא הַמָּוֶת, כָּךְ עָבַר הַמָּוֶת לְכָל בְּנֵי אָדָם מִשּׁוּם שֶׁכֻּלָּם 3חָטְאוּ. H2399 – חֵטְא - chêṭ' – khate - From H2398; a crime or its penalty: - fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin. D" The NT has already been translated back to the Hebrew – by Jews from Israel I will take their word over your anyday – they have never lied to me – or misrepresented the facts to meR" I checked your statement, and YES it seems my child like understanding is failing me again. See the diagram. Seems the word in Hebrew is ha-chet , which is the noun form for chata, meaning to sin completely. This doesn't remove that sin entered for the first time for Adam, yes, and brought with it out entropy affects to our Creation. I get the impression God can do and control whatever aspects of things He wishes. However in fairness to you and your Jews, I often wonder why no comments on the Ez 28 cherub chata verse, and why Jews make no comments about it? D" I said Spirit the God You said Spirit of God Not the same – in English – Hebrew – or Greek
R" See the diagram. SO you are correct? But we are on the same page roughly. I am not able to comment in prefixs and I find nobody has written them digitally with Hebrew, so they can be studied easily. D" You present a false teaching (google ) The New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean from the conquests of Alexander the Great (335–323 BC) until the evolution of Byzantine Greek (c. 600).R" You think? Does not the Jewish historian Josephus say we are not accustomed to learn the languages of other nations? D "What a bunch of made up nonsense –everyone spoke Greek or Aramaic You present another false teaching
R" I am told that Aramaic is a trade language, about 80%the same as Hebrew anyhow. D" Not biology – inside – sub-conscious – the part that already knows betterR" OK, but where in the sub-conscious? ANd what is the conscience anyhow according to you? D" I have never said that God made creatures with EVIL inside God made creatures with (yester ra) the commandment for self-preservation and the survival; of the speciesR" I see. SO RA is not evil. SO how come all the verses that use RA speak of evil and wickedness? I do not see any mild uses of RA in the Bible? D" Why did your god order all the animals to go forth and sin and be evil – before Eve sinned?R" They didn't, the sharks were vegetarian, the lions ate grass, and the spiders catched seeds/pollen to eat, The mozzies drank plant nectar, all things were free living and without a single trace of RA.
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2022 8:29:31 GMT -5
R" I checked your statement, and YES it seems my child like understanding is failing me again. See the diagram. Seems the word in Hebrew is ha-chet , which is the noun form for chata, meaning to sin completely. Correct – your Robert Method fails you yet againInstead of playing words games – you should learn to translate If you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – otherwise your word games are just games This doesn't remove that sin entered for the first time for Adam, yes, and brought with it out entropy affects to our Creation.More Robert crap – sin entered the world through EveRom 5:12 does not say Adam – your word games – are just games you playIf you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – learn to translateAll you are doing – is playing word games to support Ellen Whites version of scripture I get the impression God can do and control whatever aspects of things He wishes. DUH - However in fairness to you and your Jews, I often wonder why no comments on the Ez 28 cherub chata verse, and why Jews make no comments about it?They do – they speak to the error of Eve – the arrogance of manThe Jews do not talk about Catholic satan – because no one (Rome) invented that theology yet Jewish satan = Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel – who had even more offspringD"I said Spirit the God - You said Spirit of God Not the same – in English – Hebrew – or Greek R" See the diagram. SO you are correct? If you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – learn to translateBut we are on the same page roughly. I am not able to comment in prefixs and I find nobody has written them digitally with Hebrew, so they can be studied easily.I gave you the source – available only in the Messianic ahl/OT Text (WLC) You said it was not worth $25USD D"You present a false teaching (google ) The New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean R" You think? Does not the Jewish historian Josephus say we are not accustomed to learn the languages of other nations? At the time of Christ – all of the known world spoke Greek – it was the international language of the age – it was mandated by law since 250BC
The Gospel of Christ went out to the whole world (all the known world) Why would the agl/NT be written in a language that not even all of the 1% could readD"Not biology – inside – sub-conscious – the part that already knows better R" OK, but where in the sub-conscious? ANd what is the conscience anyhow according to you?You conscious – the part of you deep inside that knows better – is not biology You will never find it on an X-ray Consciousness = I think therefore I am – it is your mental awareness – your brain – your intellect You ‘Conscious ‘ – (sub-conscious) your moral center – the part that already knows better – the root of your guilt = your soul / your spirit – the part of you that knows God / remembers God An ant – cow – termite – or bacteria – can all cause you harm Do they lay awake at night feeling guilty about their actions? When would a deer shed a tear and apologies for destroying your garden? Lock 20 baboons in your house over the weekend – when you return home – will they be embarrassed / feel guilty – will they feel the NEED to apologies? ANSWER = NO – all they are is (yester ra) = self = self-preservation + survival of the species Why is man different? ANSWER – because man has a soul – a spirit inside that knows better – our moral center You will never find it on an X-ray – because it is not biology – it is spirit – It is the seat – the home – the source – of (yester tov) it is the real you trapped within biologyD"I have never said that God made creatures with EVIL inside God made creatures with (yester ra) the commandment for self-preservation and the survival; of the species R" I see. SO RA is not evil. SO how come all the verses that use RA speak of evil and wickedness? I do not see any mild uses of RA in the Bible?More Robert word games Fact- you do not understand Judaism Fact- your ideas about Judaism are made-up imagiunary missinformation Fact- if you choose to speak as an expert - be onejewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10194-lustYEẒER HA-RA': Evil inclination or impulse, popularly identified with the lusts of the flesh. YES – desires of the flesh – to grow – to dominate – to reproduce (go forth – multiply and dominateThe idea is derived from Gen. viii. 21: "the imagination of the heart of man is evil from his youth." Yet from the use of the two "yods" in Gen. ii. 7, the Rabbis deduced that there are in man two Yeẓarim: the good (Yeẓer Ṭob) and the evil (Ber. 61a). Man = (yester tov) + (yester ra)Cain defended himself before God for having slain Abel by arguing that God had implanted in him the Yeẓer ha-Ra'(Tan., Bereshit, 25 [ed. Buber, p. 10]). "It lies at the door of the heart like a fly" (Ber. 61a; comp. Beelzebub). Yet in a way the Yeẓer ha-Ra', like all things which God made (Gen. i. 31), is good. (yester ra) is good? – YES – it is commanded by God – ‘go forth – multiply and dominate’Without it, for example, a man would never marry, beget, build a house, or trade (Gen. R. ix. 9). (yester ra) is good? – YES – it is commanded by God – ‘go forth – multiply and dominate’Therefore, man is enjoined to love God with both the Yeẓarim implied in "with all thy heart" of the Shema' (Sifre, Deut. 32 [ed. Friedmann, p. 73a]). It would appear that the Yeẓer Ṭob comes with reflection, and at the age of bar miẓwah or confirmation, because it is said to be thirteen years younger than the Yeẓer ha-Ra', which is an inborn impulse (Eccl. R. ix. 14). (yester ra) inborn impulse of biology / worldThe Yeẓer Ṭob delivers the citadel of the body from the Yeẓer ha-Ra' by means of temperance and good works (Ned. 32b). The "little city" of Eccl. ix. 14, 15 is interpreted by the Targum and Eccl. R. (ad loc.) as the kingdom of the heart, and the "great king" who comes against it as the Yeẓer ha-Ra'.
The greater the man the greater his Yeẓer ha-Ra'; and it is among the four things which God regretted to have created (Suk. 52a, b). The greater the man the greater his Yeẓer ha-Ra' – (yester ra) the desire to be the alpha maleIt is identified with Satan and with the angel of death (B. B. 16a; comp. Maimonides, "Moreh," ii. 12, iii. 22). Jewish satan – Belzebul – made with some matter therefore (yester ra) Against the Yeẓer ha-Ra' the Torah is the great antidote (Suk. 52b; Ḳid. 30b; Ab. R. N. 16). The Yeẓer ha-Ra' grows with a man, as is deduced from the parable in II Sam. xii. 4. At first it is a mere traveler; then it becomes a guest; and at last it is the man himself (Suk. 52b). Yet the heart of man contains both the Yeẓer ha-Ra' and the Yeẓer Ṭob, as is deduced by Midrash Tehillim from Ps. ix.Man = (yester tov) + (yester ra)Characteristics. It undoubtedly leads to sensual sins – lust / desire / flesh / reproduce It was to avoid the temptations of the Yeẓer ha-Ra' that women were ordered to take separate seats in the galleries of synagogues (Suk. 51b).
Revenge and avarice are also given as the outcome of the Yeẓer ha-Ra' and anger is another of its manifestations.Mat 21:12 Then Yeshua entered the Temple and drove out all those selling and buying in the Temple. He overturned the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of those selling doves. Joh 2:14 In the Temple, He found the merchants selling oxen, sheep, and doves; also the moneychangers sitting there. Joh 2:15 Then He made a whip of cords and drove them all out of the Temple, both the sheep and oxen. He dumped out the coins of the moneychangers and overturned their tables. Joh 2:16 To those selling doves, He said, “Get these things out of here! Stop making My Father’s house a marketplace!” Vanity is still another form in which the Yeẓer ha-Ra' displays itself. When the Yeẓer sees a conceited man it says: "He is mine" (Gen. R. xxii. 13).
The Yeẓer ha-Ra' belongs only to this world, and does not exist in angels or other higher beings (Lev. R. xxvi.). YES – because (yester ra) is the commandment to all biology to go forth be fruitful and multiply YES – because (yester ra) comes with biologyIn a discussion between Rabbi and the emperor Antoninus, the latter contends that the Yeẓer ha-Ra' comes to man at birth, and not before, At birth – with biology - not before Robert – you deny there is a before your birthAll the sportive deviltry of young children is attributed to the Yeẓer ha-Ra' (Eccl. R. iv. 13). Terrible twos – me – me – me (me - self – self-centered)The Yeẓer ha-Ra' was not due to man, but to God as the Creator of all; but man is responsible for yielding to its influence, since he, as has been seen above, is able to put it to a good use.Created by God – used by man for tovOr used by man for RA - man's FREE WILL choiceHence the Yeẓer ha-Ra' is placed on a level with the woman and the child: the left hand should reject it, while the right hand draws it near Jewish – Right and left HandJesus - was both angry and had the desire for self preservationMat 26:39 Going a little farther, He fell face down and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me! Yet not as I will, but as You will.” Luk 22:41 And He pulled back about a stone’s throw from them, got on His knees, and began to pray, Luk 22:42 saying, “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.” Luk 22:43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him and strengthened Him. Luk 22:44 And in His anguish, He was praying fervently; and His sweat was like drops of blood falling down on the ground. Jesus - was both angry and had the desire for self preservationJesus was 100% man / biology / (yester ra) just like all of us But not Jesus' will (man's will) man's desire for self-preservation Christ's will be done - God's will be done (yester tov)Fact- you do not understand Judaism Fact- your ideas about Judaism are made-up imagiunary missinformationWalter Veith is an anti-Semite – He completely misrepresents Judaism as something satanic Your stated opinion of Judaism = there are all wrong – they do not know their own language – they do not know their own theologyYour comments are ignorance – you have been misled – taught incorrectly – by a religion that is supposed to be dedicated to the TRUTHD"Why did your god order all the animals to go forth and sin and be evil – before Eve sinned? R" They didn't, the sharks were vegetarian, the lions ate grass, and the spiders catched seeds/pollen to eat, The mozzies drank plant nectar, all things were free living and without a single trace of RA.1- so parisites, viruses, and bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinned 2- no animals ever reproduced – until Day 7 after Eve sinned 3- so after Eve sinned – who recreated all the animals – who created the bacteria and viruses 4- WHY DOESN'T THE EMPERICAL EVIDENCE support your creationist teaching?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 17:00:16 GMT -5
D "Correct – your Robert Method fails you yet again Instead of playing words games – you should learn to translate If you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – otherwise your word games are just gamesR" Maybe, I emailed the expert for why the ha-chet was chosen rathet than ha-chaatah. We will see. D" Rom 5:12 does not say Adam – your word games – are just games you playR" correct, but you are nit picking, but the overall passage implies this Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, See, death reigned from Adam to Moses, hence from Adam's sin. D" All you are doing – is playing word games to support Ellen Whites version of scriptureR" No , I am reading the whole passage as the Hebrew (and Greek) reads. D" The Jews do not talk about Catholic satan – because no one (Rome) invented that theology yet Jewish satan = Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel – who had even more offspringR" Surely a Jew wrote about a cherub that sinned? Forget the Catholic take in this idea As for "Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel " show me the Jewish writings like please? D" At the time of Christ – all of the known world spoke Greek – it was the international language of the age – it was mandated by law since 250BC
The Gospel of Christ went out to the whole world (all the known world) Why would the agl/NT be written in a language that not even all of the 1% could readR" Hmm? You might be right? This link favours your view and is very exhaustive and thorough orvillejenkins.com/languages/josephusandaramaic.htmlI will get back to you on this " But in late 2010, Raphael Lataster contacted me to tell me he had disclaimed the earlier argumentative mindset behind the ethnocentric literalist concept of God's word in writing. Lataster indicated he had grown beyond the limitations of his rationalist, literacist concept of the scriptures and expressed a resepctful appreciation of the dynamic and rich character of the texts in their cultural and historical context. (See his rather far-reaching about-face in his new eBook.)" R" Hmm? orvillejenkins.com/theology/primacyandpossiblity.htmlI see a problem in the high similarity of the Aramaic manuscripts, which can usually be taken for a limited range of distribution and a controlled process of production, not a favorable argument for the actual dynamic history of the Christian movement. The Christian texts circulated throughout the Roman Empire and were gradually collected into a standard set of separate documents that gradually came to be bound together and called the New Testament. R" Hmm? The cited statement from Paul appears to me to simply refer to the situation of Jewish people all over the Empire claiming a kinship and identity with the Hebrew-Jewish history in the Tanakh (Old Testament). No one denies that. That is not relevant to what languages they spoke in various places. This is a separate question from what language was used in writing letters to new churches or in composing the gospel stories for distribution around the Empire. On the contrary, the commonality of all these areas mentioned in the phrase is that they all used the Greek language.
The Hebrew scriptures had been in the Greek language of Alexandria for at least 150 years, perhaps over 200, by the birth of Jesus. Surely this is significant. R" Hmm? D"I f you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – learn to translateR" That would be nice to check out some verses, but one would need a digital true copy of the NT and OT in Hebrew, and I need to study all the suffix and prefix as easily as one does with Hebrew stems. To my knowledge such a program does not exist as yet, and I would want it in Ancient Hebrew letters too. D" Why would the agl/NT be written in a language that not even all of the 1% could readR" That's a good question. I suppose Paul wrote some letters in Greek, as He could speak both Greek and Hebrew, but I also get the impression he had a scribe to write for him, didn't he? ----------------------------- D" You ‘Conscious ‘ – (sub-conscious) your moral center – the part that already knows better – the root of your guilt = your soul / your spirit – the part of you that knows God / remembers God Why is man different? ANSWER – because man has a soul – a spirit inside that knows better – our moral center You will never find it on an X-ray – because it is not biology – it is spirit – It is the seat – the home – the source – of (yester tov) it is the real you trapped within biologyR" You really develop theories way different to Scripture don't you? 1) Scripture says most animals have nefesh, and therefore a soul. 2) Scripture implies all animals ruwach goes downwards, while man's go upwards? What does this imply? That man is unique and our character development, our nashamah is recorded by God, so we are judged as living souls who are allowed to have saving relationships with God. 3) Your conscience/ conscious thing to me is a medium where GOD communes to us, so I have a different view of the conscience to you. It is the thing where divinity touches humanity, and we are allowed to have a relationship with God. The only difference between our views, is you insist we OWN this thing, that is OUR spirit, and thus we are INDEPENDENT FROM GOD. I disagree. Technically man can own nothing, all things come from God, including our living, and the "US" that makes us "us", we are only stewards of God's power, and in relationship, we are able to form our characters of love as unique beings. Thus we are always totally dependent upon God, even the wicked person is like this, though he thinks he is independent of God, he isn't really. -------------------------------------------- D" jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10194-lust YEẒER HA-RA': Evil inclination or impulse, popularly identified with the lusts of the flesh. Man = (yester tov) + (yester ra) Yet from the use of the two "yods" in Gen. ii. 7, the Rabbis deduced that there are in man two Yeẓarim: the good (Yeẓer Ṭob) and the evil (Ber. 61a).
Rob investigates the Ber 61a" And Rav Huna said that Rav said in the name of Rabbi Meir: One’s words should always be few before the Holy One, Blessed be He, as it is stated: “Be not rash with your mouth and let not your heart be hasty to utter a word before God; for God is in heaven, and you upon earth. Therefore, let your words be few” (Ecclesiastes 5:1).Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda interpreted homiletically: What is the meaning of that which is written: “Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination.Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak strongly objects to this: If that is so, does an animal, with regard to whom vayyitzer is not written with a double yod, not have an inclination? Don’t we see that it causes damage and bites and kicks? Rather, interpret the double yod homiletically, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi, as Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi said: This alludes to the difficulty of human life; woe unto me from my Creator [yotzri] and woe unto me from my inclination [yitzri]. If one opts to follow either his Creator or his inclination, woe unto him from the other.Alternatively, this duplication in the language of creation can be explained in accordance with the statement of Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar, as Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar said: The Holy One, Blessed be He, created two faces [du partzufin] on Adam the first man; he was created both male and female in a single body, as it is stated: “You have formed me [tzartani] behind and before” (Psalms 139:5); tzartani is derived from the word tzura [face]. God formed two faces on a single creation, back and front.It is stated: “And the tzela which the Lord, God, had taken from the man, He made a woman, and brought her unto the man” (Genesis 2:22).Rav and Shmuel disagree over the meaning of the word tzela: One said: It means face. Eve was originally one face or side of Adam. And one said: It means tail, which he explains to mean that the tzela was an appendage, i.e., one of the ribs in Adam’s chest.The Gemara analyzes this dispute: Granted, according to the one who said that tzela means face; that is why it is written: “You have formed me [tzartani] behind and before.” However, according to the one who said that tzela means tail, what is meant by the verse: “You have formed me [tzartani] behind and before”? The Gemara answers: It can be explained in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Ami, as Rabbi Ami said: Behind means Adam was created at the end of the act of creation; and before means that he was first for punishment. Rob investigates the claim "“Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination." Now who is playing word games here? 3335 [e] וַיִּיצֶר֩ way-yî-ṣer And formed Conj-w | V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms (From Hebrew BibleHub.com) Jeff Benner H 335 "Yud""Tsade""Resh" meaning "press" In Ancient Hebrew this is "active hand" "travelling person" "head" Meaning "active travelling head" The other "yud" and not sure (looks like a Waw or a Nun ?) I take it this is a prefix? So please detail this word with its prefix in the verse, this so called double yud, is a prefix added to a stem of a word isn't it? So who is playing the word games now? SO we can use a letter added to a word to make an entire theme out of it?I don't think so . The other thing I read in "Ber. 61a" is the Rabbi disagree with each other....So the comments here are not inspired, and the Rabbi who writes and comments are not true prophets? D" Fact- you do not understand Judaism Fact- your ideas about Judaism are made-up imagiunary missinformationR" Before you start mocking again, I want us to detail this comment "“Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination." Why is the Rabbi taking a word stem with two added letters, (prefixes) into a brand new word meaning, and going with that? D" Your stated opinion of Judaism = there are all wrong – they do not know their own language – they do not know their own theology Your comments are ignorance R" I respect Hebrew people, but my discussion with them is 1) Why different Rabbi disagree 2) Why doesn't the Rabbi's stick to the torah as it reads 3) Only a true prophet should be added to comment on the torah D" a religion that is supposed to be dedicated to the TRUTHR" Yes, so you tell me why "“Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination" Is NOT a word game, in fact its a prefix/word game. That is even more silly. D"1- so parisites, viruses, and bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinnedR" Free living bactera were created before Day 7, they are necessary for helping us eating food. No bacteria was a disease, all perfect. D"3- so after Eve sinned – who recreated all the animals – who created the bacteria and virusesR" Actually the serpent sinned first, negating God's words, than Eve sinned next and finally Adam sinned. The animals became dysfunctional as a result of God's curse, missing powers not only impacted Adam, it impacted the entire universe with entropy too. D" 4- WHY DOESN'T THE EMPERICAL EVIDENCE support your creationist teaching?R" There is some evidence before Sin all things were perfect. Only female mozzies drink blood, male mozzies don't. Alpha lion eats the grass paunch first even today, ie herbivore. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 24, 2022 19:09:49 GMT -5
D"Rom 5:12 does not say Adam – your word games – are just games you play R" correct, but you are nit picking, but the overall passage implies thisThe point = sin originated with the feminine / salvation is by the masculineRo 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, Correct – from Gen 3 forward See, death reigned from Adam to Moses, hence from Adam's sin.D"All you are doing – is playing word games to support Ellen Whites version of scriptureR" No , I am reading the whole passage as the Hebrew (and Greek) reads.So far – your Greek and Hebrew versions have been error and caused you errorD"The Jews do not talk about Catholic satan – because no one (Rome) invented that theology yet Jewish satan = Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel – who had even more offspring R" Surely a Jew wrote about a cherub that sinned? Forget the Catholic take in this ideaI have begged you – pleaded with you – baited you – requested from you any evidence To date – you offer ZEROAs for "Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel " show me the Jewish writings like please?Done – posted – requested your comments – none cameD"At the time of Christ – all of the known world spoke Greek – it was the international language of the age – it was mandated by law since 250BC R" Hmm? You might be right? This link favours your view and is very exhaustive and thorough My evidence comes from Rabbi Singer – I do not necessarily agree totally with him – but he mentions several examples of his proof it was Greek not Hebrew John 3 – to be born again of spirit = a non-Hebrew expressionR" Hmm? the commonality of all these areas mentioned in the phrase is that they all used the Greek language. D"If you want to speak as an expert – be an expert – learn to translate R" That would be nice to check out some verses, but one would need a digital true copy of the NT and OT in Hebrew, and I need to study all the suffix and prefix as easily as one does with Hebrew stems. To my knowledge such a program does not exist as yet, and I would want it in Ancient Hebrew letters too.You talk nice – but I doubt your sincerityI have already supplied you with the best available to date – you were not interestedGroves-Wheeler Westminster Hebrew MorphologyThis module provides for incredibly detailed searching of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Leningrad Codex). This module is built for everyone who wants to study in depth the text of the Hebrew Old Testament. On first view, it looks like WHM/WHMC is similar to how the RMAC codes work for some of the NT Bible texts. That would be a correct assessment, by the way. But WHM/WHMC is far more powerful than anything the RMAC can do with a Greek text. Notice screenshot #1. You’ll notice that the Bible view of the WHM has Hebrew words and blue codes - just like the familiar RMAC for the NT. It works in exactly the same fashion, too: hover over it, and a nice pop-up occurs; click it, and the dictionary moves the identical entry. But there is way more. Take a look at screenshot #2. Perform a “lemma” search on the Hebrew word “bara” (בָּרָ֣א) with a detailed TW search, and you’ll be able to see all the results. Click on one in the search window, and WHM goes straight there. Right click the Hebrew word (not the morph), and you’ll get incredibly precise opportunities to search all of the Hebrew dictionaries in your arsenal., including the lemma & the exact Hebrew word. Wow! Let me summarize: this tool can be used like an “OT RMAC” for those with little or no Hebrew knowledge; but to maximize the purpose of this module, and intensive knowledge of the Hebrew language is necessary. (But for the price, it’s worth it even if you only use it as an “OT RMAC.”) but to maximize the purpose of this module, and intensive knowledge of the Hebrew language is necessary.There is no substitute for learning to translate----------------------------- 1) Scripture says most animals have nefesh, and therefore a soul. 2) Scripture implies all animals ruwach goes downwards, while man's go upwards? What does this imply?So – you state that ruwach can only mean the spirit of God So - when a cow dies – the HS goes downwardYou do not believe what you print – and we do not understand why you believe You place these absolute word games – then violate your own teachingI disagree. Technically man can own nothing, all things come from God, including our living, and the "US" that makes us "usAgain with your panethism teaching – all of creation is just fragments of God But you also say you deny this teaching that you denyYou do not believe what you print – and we do not understand why you believe You place these absolute word games – then violate you own teachingD" jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10194-lust YEẒER HA-RA':Rob investigates the claim "“Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination."
Now who is playing word games here? So please detail this word with its prefix in the verse, this so called double yud, is a prefix added to a stem of a word isn't it? So who is playing the word games now?Gen 1:26 man - Adam H119 אָדַם 'adam (aw-dam') v. @-nc-m-s-a-H-a @: Hebrew origin nc: noun-common m: masculine s: singular a: absolute H: Homonym a: 1st Gen 2:7 – man – Adam (feminine) with –ah added H127 אֲדָמָה 'adamah (ad-aw-maw') n-f. @-nc-f-s-a-H-a @: Hebrew origin nc: noun-common f: feminine s: singular a: absolute H: Homonyma: 1st (google) homonym = each of two or more words having the same spelling or pronunciation but different meanings and origins.Just as Abram became Abraham Abram knew God – Abraham was a Born Again Christian
Sara became Sarah Sara knew God – Sarah was a Born again ChristianSO we can use a letter added to a word to make an entire theme out of it? I don't think so. I thought you like word games – why do you reject them when the experts play them?The other thing I read in "Ber. 61a" is the Rabbi disagree with each other....So the comments here are not inspired, and the Rabbi who writes and comments are not true prophets?Who has ever told you that the Kabbalah was inspiredQuestion – is Scofield – Adam Clark – Mathew Henry – Moody – or any Christian commentary considered inspired word of God Question – do Scofield – Adam Clark – Mathew Henry – Moody – or any Christian commentary agree? The Kabbalah is a collection of Rabbinic commentary – usually always 5 opinions – Rabbi A says this – Rabbi B says that – Rabbi C from ling ago said something else The Kabbalah is 4000 years’ worth of Jewish Commentary Your claim that it is not inspires – is meaningless – unless you consider all disagreeing Christian commentary as the inspired word of GodD"Fact- you do not understand Judaism Fact- your ideas about Judaism are made-up imaginary misinformation R" Before you start mocking again, I want us to detail this comment "“Then the Lord God formed [vayyitzer] man” (Genesis 2:7), with a double yod? This double yod alludes to that fact that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created two inclinations; one a good inclination and one an evil inclination."
Why is the Rabbi taking a word stem with two added letters, (prefixes) into a brand new word meaning, and going with that?Gen 1 Adam - became Gen 2 Adamah – because the spirit is added and Adam became a human beingHomonid creature + spirit being Human creature + spirit being and man became a HUMAN + BEING Man = (biology) + (spirit) D"Your stated opinion of Judaism = there are all wrong – they do not know their own language – they do not know their own theology Your comments are ignorance R" I respect Hebrew people, but my discussion with them is
1) Why different Rabbi disagreeWhy do Christians disagree – Christians turned their disagreement into 2500 types of Christianity OF course some Rabbinic commentary disagree – they look at it from all sides - but there are still only two basic types of Judaism – Talmudic and Harsidic – Law only – or Spiritual Guess which one became Messanic Jews2) Why doesn't the Rabbi's stick to the torah as it readsThe Rabbis are fortunate to have access to a lot more SCRIPTURE than Rome allows you to readAs soon as you stop your feet and insist Rome says it is all badI will remind you - that you are limited to only the Roman approved version Were the Jews? - Are the Jews?3) Only a true prophet should be added to comment on the torahAre you a prophet? – You have many comments!D"1- so parisites, viruses, and bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinned R" Free living bactera were created before Day 7, they are necessary for helping us eating food. No bacteria was a disease, all perfect. so parisites, viruses, and disease causing bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinnedD"3- so after Eve sinned – who recreated all the animals – who created the bacteria and viruses R" Actually the serpent sinned first, negating God's words, than Eve sinned next and finally Adam sinned.Contradictory to Romans 5:12 – it was Eveas a result of God's curse, missing powers not only impacted Adam, it impacted the entire universe with entropy too. So because of Gen 3 – Gen 1:2 was allowed to happenD" 4- WHY DOESN'T THE EMPERICAL EVIDENCE support your creationist teaching? R" There is some evidence before Sin all things were perfect. Only female mozzies drink blood, male mozzies don't.(google) Only female mosquitoes bite people and animals to get a blood meal. Female mosquitoes need a blood meal to produce eggs.
Why aren’t mosquitos allowed to ‘go forth be fruitful and multiply’ until Eve sinned Why aren’t mosquitoes allowed to obey God until Eve sinned
What about parisites, viruses, - also not allowed to obey God until Eve sinnedWhy do you and Ellen White teach is is evil and a sin to obey God
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 0:57:31 GMT -5
D"Groves-Wheeler Westminster Hebrew Morphology This module provides for incredibly detailed searching of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Leningrad Codex). This module is built for everyone who wants to study in depth the text of the Hebrew Old Testament.
R" I love the screen shots, the program is showing more than we need? Does it also show the NT in Hebrew as well?
D"So – you state that ruwach can only mean the spirit of God So - when a cow dies – the HS goes downward
You do not believe what you print – and we do not understand why you believe You place these absolute word games – then violate your own teaching R" When you study all the verses that use ruwach, we learn the ruwach returns unto God who gives us this medium....
So the "ruwach upward and downward " must be an idiom that refers to something else?
Ec 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
The context is about the death of animals and the death of mankind. We all have the same breath( ie ruwach) that empowers the breath of living to each soul (man and ordinary animals alike).
"spirit upward" is searched in Scritpure ? nothing
SO I search "ma`al" and "riuwach" -> two verses
1Sa 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
Here the term "spirit upwards" refers to the movement of the blessings of God going from Saul to David.
SO really Dave, unless you wish to nit pick me again, what I said before, is confirmed in Scripture. In ordinary animals when they die, the records of their living is forgotten...
D" Again with your panethism teaching – all of creation is just fragments of God But you also say you deny this teaching that you deny
You do not believe what you print – and we do not understand why you believe You place these absolute word games – then violate you own teaching R" How do I violate my own teaching? Give me an example. You already agree with me on a sub atomic level all things are sustained by God, so what's the problem?
D"I thought you like word games – why do you reject them when the experts play them? R" Because I do not play word games, I find the meaning of the word, and that is all I do.
D"Who has ever told you that the Kabbalah was inspired Question – is Scofield – Adam Clark – Mathew Henry – Moody – or any Christian commentary considered inspired word of God R" Well if they are not inspired, we only look at their suggestions with a grain of salt. This includes Adam Clark.
D"The Kabbalah is a collection of Rabbinic commentary – usually always 5 opinions – Rabbi A says this – Rabbi B says that – Rabbi C from ling ago said something else The Kabbalah is 4000 years’ worth of Jewish Commentary R" OK, but they are secular human comments, not inspired, so we take their writings with a grain of salt.
RP"Why is the Rabbi taking a word stem with two added letters, (prefixes) into a brand new word meaning, and going with that?
D"Gen 1 Adam - became Gen 2 Adamah – because the spirit is added and Adam became a human being Homonid creature + spirit being Human creature + spirit being R" You ignore the Rabbi's false claim, and change the theme to something else....
Scripture says God made Adam from Adamuah, not as you claim the Adam was made a spirit first and than was added to the Adamah. You are twisting Scripture.
D" because the spirit is added and Adam became a human being R" NO Scripture does NOT say that
Scripture says GOD breathed on the Adamah the "ruwach/nashamah of chay" and the Adamah became Adam as a living soul.
You write the process in reverse.
D"Why do Christians disagree – Christians turned their disagreement into 2500 types of Christianity R" They disagree because they do not follow the Ancient Hebrew torah, as it reads plainly.
D"The Rabbis are fortunate to have access to a lot more SCRIPTURE than Rome allows you to read R" That is an assumption. The Jews themselves decided to canonize torah as far back as AD55, when the Essenes also wrote the torah as the Jews saw those scrolls only as inspired. Esther nearly didn't make it.
D"Are you a prophet? – You have many comments! R" I do not claim to be inspired, because I lack the gift of prophecy.
D"so parisites, viruses, and disease causing bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinned R" Yes after Adam sinned. Hebrew is masculine not feminine, in terms of rulers over the home.
D"Contradictory to Romans 5:12 – it was Eve R" Rom 5:12 does not mention Eve?
D"Why aren’t mosquitos allowed to ‘go forth be fruitful and multiply’ until Eve sinned R" Female mozzies before Adam sinned used to drink nectar to feed their eggs and make more mosquitoes.
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
It is very plain, that Adam's sin caused the death to reign, and the world to be cursed.... Can't you read Scripture Dave? Or do you deny the plain, readings here?
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Post by Dave on Apr 25, 2022 1:35:26 GMT -5
D"Groves-Wheeler Westminster Hebrew Morphology This module provides for incredibly detailed searching of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Leningrad Codex). This module is built for everyone who wants to study in depth the text of the Hebrew Old Testament.
R" I love the screen shots, the program is showing more than we need? Does it also show the NT in Hebrew as well? Is this a reading comprehension issue? Question – is the NT in the “Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Leningrad Codex)”
D" Again with your panethism teaching – all of creation is just fragments of God But you also say you deny this teaching that you deny R" How do I violate my own teaching? Give me an example. You already agree with me on a sub atomic level all things are sustained by God, so what's the problem? Not talking about sub-atomic physics – I am talking about spirit
You say the spirit inside of every man is just God – and God returns to God You say the spirit inside each man is just the HS (the Spirit of God) – and the HS returns to God This is 100% panethism – we are all gods – and once we are all back to heaven – God will be whole again rocks and trees are God – and all creation yearns to be redeemed
2 options – man has a spirit – or man is just God
D"Who has ever told you that the Kabbalah was inspired R" Well if they are not inspired, we only look at their suggestions with a grain of salt. This includes Adam Clark. Sorry Robert Adam Clark is no King Solomon – not even close
D"Why do Christians disagree – Christians turned their disagreement into 2500 types of Christianity R" They disagree because they do not follow the Ancient Hebrew torah, as it reads plainly. 100% Arrogant Christian answer – Your way is the correct way only
D"The Rabbis are fortunate to have access to a lot more SCRIPTURE than Rome allows you to read R" That is an assumption. Your knowledge of Judaism is ignorant – period – to speak - but do not know what you’re talking about
D"so parisites, viruses, and disease causing bacteria were all created on Day 7 after Eve sinned R" Yes after Adam sinned. Hebrew is masculine not feminine, What is feminine according to you?
It is very plain, that Adam's sin caused the death to reign, and the world to be cursed.... Can't you read Scripture Dave? Or do you deny the plain, readings here? Hmmm? 1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1Ti 2:14 Also Adam was not deceived but the woman—being deceived, she fell into transgression.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 4:05:43 GMT -5
D"Is this a reading comprehension issue? Question – is the NT in the “Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Leningrad Codex)” R" I take it, the answer is NO. Hence it is not very useful, as there are plenty of software on the OT in Hebrew. I also require both OT and NT in Hebrew, that would create a better torah about Jesus.
Jesus is the former rain and the latter rain, and its better to read both rains in the same language. Make more sense to do so, than read one in Hebrew and the other in Greek. You agree?
D"Not talking about sub-atomic physics – I am talking about spirit R" Ok where is your Hebrew for man's spirit? Can't be the ruwach word, because that is a medium for God's spirit.
The only word I see for man's spirit is nashamah, but you refuse to acknowledge this?
SO you play word games. You don't have a Hebrew word for man's spirit, whereas I do.
It's termed the nashamah and it comes to function when the ruwach is partnered to the soul of the human.
D"You say the spirit inside of every man is just God – and God returns to God You say the spirit inside each man is just the HS (the Spirit of God) – and the HS returns to God R" Yes that is one Hebrew word. But you also ignore the other we discovered in the breath of life, there is another word also used at the same time, "nashamah"
D"2 options – man has a spirit – or man is just God R" What about 3 options
Man has a nashamah, that is man's spirit that functions when the ruwach is partnered to the soul of the human.
These hebrew words are found in Gen 7:22
Ge 7:22 All in whose nostrils <'aph> was the breath <n@shamah> <ruwach> of life <chay>
Both Hebrew words exist together in the English phrase "breath of life"
D"100% Arrogant Christian answer – Your way is the correct way only R" Is not Jeff Benner presenting the Hebrew correctly, so why do we argue?
D"Your knowledge of Judaism is ignorant R" SO why did the Essenes copy the Bible as the same we have already in our OT? more or less the same, as the OT we have today?
D"What is feminine according to you? R" The adown and the baal were masculine Lords or Masters of their home. That is how Hebrew masculine work, unless the home had no gender male, than a gender female was allowed to function as a gender male does. AN example of that is the woman in Joshua's time given land, normally given to male Lords.
D"1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1Ti 2:14 Also Adam was not deceived but the woman—being deceived, she fell into transgression "parabasis".
R" Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression "parabasis",
Paul says both Adam and Eve did parabasis. But the woman was deceived, but the man was not deceived. Death reigned after Adam's parabasis.
It's very clear Dave. Though Paul adds details here and there.
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Post by Dave on Apr 25, 2022 9:01:41 GMT -5
Hence it is not very useful, as there are plenty of software on the OT in Hebrew. Show me another ahl with Morphology codes
I also require both OT and NT in Hebrew, that would create a better torah about Jesus. Always with an excuse – maybe you should just learn to translate If you want to speak as an expert – be one
D"Not talking about sub-atomic physics – I am talking about spirit R" Ok where is your Hebrew for man's spirit? Can't be the ruwach word, because that is a medium for God's spirit.
Word games – skip the meaning – just argue vocabulary
D"You say the spirit inside of every man is just God – and God returns to God You say the spirit inside each man is just the HS (the Spirit of God) – and the HS returns to God R" Yes that is one Hebrew word.
So – why does your God or HS do so much evil while directing man’s steps and decisions
These hebrew words are found in Gen 7:22 Ge 7:22 All in whose nostrils <'aph> was the breath <n@shamah> <ruwach> of life <chay> Both Hebrew words exist together in the English phrase "breath of life"
Word games – skip the meaning – just argue vocabulary
D"100% Arrogant Christian answer – Your way is the correct way only R" Is not Jeff Benner presenting the Hebrew correctly, so why do we argue? Not according to you – you say Jeff Brenner does not understand that the serpent lied You pick and cjpoos when to believe him and when not to You accuse him of have Jewish ideas
D"Your knowledge of Judaism is ignorant R" SO why did the Essenes copy the Bible as the same we have already in our OT? more or less the same, as the OT we have today? WHAT does that have to do with your understands of what Judaism was like in 32AD What does that have to do with your understanding of what Judaism teaches today?
D - R" SO why did the Essenes copy the Gnostic literature as the same we have already have today? The Dead Sea Scrolls also contained Enoch, the Book of Giants, and the book of Creation
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 17:53:01 GMT -5
D"So – why does your God or HS do so much evil while directing man’s steps and decisions R" Who says they do?
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. This verse is profound. DO you understand it Dave?
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Medium of the LORD departed from Saul, and an RA Medium from the LORD troubled him. Notice both mediums are administrated by GOD. The verse says so.
Is 45:7 says God creates RA and darkness, so GOD is the administrator of RA affects, but not it's author. God doesn't do RA himself, the RA comes from a request of a sinner wanting to sin. Normally sin is not allowed to exist in God's perfect world, so the RA has to be administrated so the RA can exist. For example to make an umbra shadow, the presence of GOD, light and the sinner is all required. Hence the reason why "a RA medium from the LORD" is mentioned in the above verse.
So the loving qualities of God stopped flowing into Saul and the RA qualities flowed instead into Saul.
Where do these RA qualities flow from? A medium does not produce the flow, a medium only carries to flow, whether good or bad. I quote from my Hebrew English translator"
"When called to the throne, Saul was deficient in knowledge and had serious defects of character. But the Lord granted him the Holy Spirit and placed him where he could develop the qualities requisite for a ruler of Israel. Had he remained humble, every good quality would have been gaining strength, while evil tendencies would have lost their power."
"When Saul persisted in his stubborn self-justification, he rejected the only means by which God could work to save him from himself."
By consulting that spirit of darkness, Saul had destroyed himself
R" I note this command from the torah "
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
When Saul rejected God and thus GOD allowed a RA medium to continue to flow into his soul.
R" The trouble I have with Dave, is where do these flows of RA come from? In my view, I say the flows of RA arising from our own sins of Self and ego, come from Satan, the one who opposes God because of His sinning and is thus the Father of sinning. When Jesus called the devil a father of lies, Jesus was implying the opposer is a provider of sinning. I get it that Saul had problems with self, ego and pride, but he also listened to the influence of the Opposer, who promotes more sinning in humans, while God promotes less sinning in humans.
D"Word games – skip the meaning – just argue vocabulary R" How strange of you to ignore my view, mock it as word games. There are two Hebrew words in the phrase "breath of life", its no word game. But no discuss from Dave, therefore you cannot be right.
D"Not according to you – you say Jeff Brenner does not understand that the serpent lied R" Correct. Does not mean I am finished with Jeff. He does not discuss or allow religious discussion.
I would argue the serpent negated God's declaration, "thou shall sure die". I would argue the serpent made a false report. I would allow Jeff to discuss his views, and make more details.
I get it , the serpent technically did not promote sinning as a transgression that is fun, but the serpent did make a false report of the truth. ANd that is a sin all the same, a subtle sin.
D"WHAT does that have to do with your understands of what Judaism was like in 32AD What does that have to do with your understanding of what Judaism teaches today? R" What? If the Essenes copied the OT as we have today, they did not copy many times the entire tanak.
Some scrolls were copied more times than others, Isaiah was a faviourite. As genesis. Esther one copy.
So by 55 AD the OT scrolls were already decided...
Being a religious sect, they also copied other books, like the Gnostic ones?
D"The Dead Sea Scrolls also contained Enoch, the Book of Giants, and the book of Creation R" Yes my library also contains James Barr, a book I hate with a vengeance. I also have some of Ellen White books, about 6 or so, a NIV bible which I used alot in my child days, and not much else. SO on the basis of my library one might conclude I loved James Barr, because I have his book? If we study religion, some of us get copies of stuff we try to avoid. I also purchased a book by James Stump, a 450 page pile of rubbish, to defend myself against the HS being a force, I gave the book away once I read it. I also have read a e-book Living Temple, twice, but this is a RA book according to Mrs White. I also have read books by Dr Desmond Ford, a terrible SDA who lead us all stray in the 1980's. So having RA books around does not mean we love the books. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 26, 2022 11:08:55 GMT -5
D"So – why does your God or HS do so much evil while directing man’s steps and decisions R" Who says they do? 1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. This verse is profound. DO you understand it Dave? 1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Medium of the LORD departed from Saul, and an RA Medium from the LORD troubled him. Notice both mediums are administrated by GOD. The verse says so.
Double speak – we are only empowered by the Spirit of God – man has no spirit of his own – if God withheld his spirit – man would fall over dead Now you have Saul – without the Spirit of the Lord – alive and available to an evil spirit
You are not consistent – this is why your comments are UNREWARDING Who is Saul – standing there alive NOT being empowered by the Spirit of God According to you – Saul should have fallen over dead --------------------------
R" The trouble I have with Dave, is where do these flows of RA come from? In my view, I say the flows of RA arising from our own sins of Self and ego, Correct – they come from our own (yester ra)
I say the flows of RA -come from Satan Correct – you have someone else to blame – satan made you do it
D"Word games – skip the meaning – just argue vocabulary R" How strange of you to ignore my view, mock it as word games. There are two Hebrew words in the phrase "breath of life", its no word game.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN – you two words? Saul was stand alive and well without the empowerment of the HS (Spirit of God) According to you and your teacjhong to me – Saul should have died – why didn’t Saul die?
D"Not according to you – you say Jeff Brenner does not understand that the serpent lied R" Correct. Does not mean I am finished with Jeff. He does not discuss or allow religious discussion. So – you agree with Jeff Brenner as long as you can use him to support Ellen White But when he disagrees with Ellen White – you also disagree with him Why does a woman from 1860 decide how you think? What is wrong with the Torah teaching She does not agree with scripture – she contradicts sctipture One error and it is all garbage
I would argue the serpent negated God's declaration, "thou shall sure die". So man does not have eternal life – one sin and man is dead to God – NO CHANCE FOR SALVATION Scripture teaches Jews and Christians the promise of eternal life Why do you deny scripture
I would argue the serpent made a false report. Evidently you deny the concept of repentance and forgiveness – strange religion this SDA
D"WHAT does that have to do with your understands of what Judaism was like in 32AD What does that have to do with your understanding of what Judaism teaches today? R" What? If the Essenes copied the OT as we have today, they did not copy many times the entire tanak. So by 55 AD the OT scrolls were already decided... DUH – I have no idea of you point – the Greek Septuagint (your received text) was completed around 250BC
D"The Dead Sea Scrolls also contained Enoch, the Book of Giants, and the book of Creation R" Yes my library also contains Your library is not the cherrished Temple Scrolls – absolute nonsense
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 17:33:01 GMT -5
D" Double speak – we are only empowered by the Spirit of God – man has no spirit of his own – if God withheld his spirit – man would fall over dead Now you have Saul – without the Spirit of the Lord – alive and available to an evil spirit
You are not consistent – this is why your comments are UNREWARDING Who is Saul – standing there alive NOT being empowered by the Spirit of God According to you – Saul should have fallen over deadR" DO you have trouble reading sentences? You stop reading I think and than assume to add your own meanings. Rob wrote this and Dave posts this " Notice both mediums are administrated by GOD. The verse says so". D" Double speak – R" Why is this double speak? D" we are only empowered by the Spirit of God – man has no spirit of his own R" I have never said that? Again you do not read what I write. GOD the Father empowers the "breath of life" via the medium into humans. What is the "breath of life" ? Two Hebrew words, "ruwach" a power from the HS, and "namashah" the "spirit of man", hence it's a partnership, where both "spirits" exist, and where the HS administrates this medium, so mankind develops his character of love from the Father . D" if God withheld his spirit – man would fall over deadR" correct. Yes D" Now you have Saul – without the Spirit of the Lord – alive and available to an evil spiritR" I see. But the "breath of life" does not leave Saul. You miss that. I wrote "Notice both mediums are administrated by GOD. The verse says so"."\ The HS keeps the wicked person alive with the breath of life, the medium is still administrated by the HS, so now a different flow empowered Saul, to make and develop his own spirit of wickedness. D" You are not consistent – this is why your comments are UNREWARDING Who is Saul – standing there alive NOT being empowered by the Spirit of God According to you – Saul should have fallen over deadR" You misunderstand how a medium functions. A medium carries the energy flow from one source to the human as a receiver to use as the human sees fit. The medium has no interest in the flow source to keep the contest fair. However the HS would prefer to allow GOD to be the flow source into humans, but often other sources flow into the human. In your view you have yester RA or yester TOV as sources of flow already inside the human, and the human chooses which flow to entertain. You say GOD created both sources flow intentionally inside the human from Adam's sinless nature. The serpent was just an influence to awaken the yester ra flow that was already inside Adam, but was asleep "so to speak". I understand this as your view, but it's not Biblical. The Bible says Adam was sinless and perfect, the the only source of flow into Adam was perfection. Even though Adam has free will, he had only a single flow of power to choose from, God's. When a cherub sinned long before mankind existed, the SHadday had to function as a MEDIUM to allow RA to exist, otherwise the cherub woudl have ceased to exist imediately when the cherub chose to sin. So the MEDIUM existed before Creation of earth, and darkness and formless earth also pre-existed Creation week. Since the cherub first sinned, it is accounted by GOD as the origin of the flow of RA, and treated in this way as the OPPOSER. This opposer wants to increase sinning in all of God's creatures, where as God wishes to all His Creatures to stop sinning. Dave are you still reading this? When mankind was tempted to sin by the Opposer, another flow of power entered into Adam for the first time, which Jews term yester ra. In Saul's case the Medium allows Saul to live for a time, and Saul is free to choose which source of power Saul wishes to entertain and develop his spirit from. He has two choices, the HS / medium offers two sources of power, the Father's elohiym flow, or the father cherub flow of lies. The MEDIUM adminstrates both sources of flow fairly and the Saul chooses which source He wishes to entertain. Now hopefully you begin to fathom my view. D" Correct – they come from our own (yester ra)RP" I say the flows of RA -come from SatanCorrect – you have someone else to blame – satan made you do itR" Well at least we have two equally defined views. One cannot blame Satan for our sinning, Scripture says this very plainly...so stop mocking... Mine is at least supported by Scripture, yours isn't. You ignore Ezekiel 28, the cherub chata idea? D" WHAT DOES THIS MEAN – you two words? Saul was stand alive and well without the empowerment of the HS (Spirit of God) According to you and your teacjhong to me – Saul should have died – why didn’t Saul die?R" I mean the ruwach remains with Saul, but the RA flow comes into Saul instead, this is termed in Scripture as "RA ruwach" , so the Ruwach is still partnered to Saul, but the RA flows instead, and Saul's nashamah develops the sinning Saul seeks from the RA flow. Where does this RA flow come from? From the opposer. Who promotes more sinning to enter into Saul's nashamah, while the ruwach functions to adminstrate this choice. If the term "ra rwuach" was some other Hebrew term, than yes I would agree with you, Saul should have died, but He died die, because the ruwach was still partnered to Saul, even though Saul chose RA instead of the Father for his source of power. Does this make sense to you? D" But when he disagrees with Ellen White – you also disagree with him Why does a woman from 1860 decide how you think? What is wrong with the Torah teaching She does not agree with scripture – she contradicts sctiptureR" I disagree with Jeff because I see the serpent negating God's declaration "thou shalt NOT surely die" And if you wish to get me to remove ALL of Mrs white as a Faithful Hebrew to English translator, all you have to do is find a single case where she translates wrongly. Not say she adds more to messages we already have. Prophets can do that. Change the message we already have? That is different. Show me a single case. And make is a Hebrew word that she changes into the wrong meaning of the Hebrew word. I have done my studies on this, I chose 30 words at random, using Jeff Benner meanings. On the balance of probabilities I conclude she is inspired. I nearly found her a false translator on the meaning of "07832. qxs sachaq, ", she did see this word as laughing to mock, but eventually I found a reference she makes. I found it bad when I discovered Ellen When wrote this Consider prayer 31:- spiritualsprings.org/ss-1560.htmPs 31:2 Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me.3 For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me. (KJV) Let's arrange this as a poetry parallel: Ps 31:2.. be thou my strong rock (tsuwr) "Father rock" , for an house of defence to save me. 3 For thou art my rock (cela) "Jesus rock" and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me. (KJV) As incredible as this prayer is from David, it is a poetry parallel saying the Saviour is a "Father rock" and a "Jesus rock". The word "fortress or defence" is the same Hebrew word for both Divine Beings. Now if your a Jew you would say YHWH is both the Saviour cela rock and the Foundation tsuwr rock, the same YHWH who came down to die for mankind. How can this be in the NT teachings? OT Jews ignore the NT teachings. So if Jesus is a real Son of a real Father in heaven, we have here in the OT times, a Saviour who saves, expressed as a simile of the Father Rock and the Jesus Rock. This is the same Hebrew idea where Jesus said my Father and I are one (John 10:30). It is a strange thing to equate a Saviour as a Being, as the Father as a Being and the Son as a Being. Jesus is functionally a simile for the actions of His Father and the Son. Does our Hebrew English Translator back up the same idea, for this is, as a radical idea? (3) A fantastic declaration.. In Isaiah's prophecy, Christ is declared to be both a sure foundation and a stone of stumbling. The apostle Peter, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, clearly shows to whom Christ is a foundation stone, and to whom a rock of offense: spiritualsprings.org/ss-1560.htmI find it strange that Ellen White writes " BOTH" a sure foundation and a stone of stumbling. Now you tell me, how many religions acknowledge the twusr and cela rocks in Hebrew? Does the Jews ? You tell me? ----------------------- RP" I would argue the serpent negated God's declaration, "thou shall sure die". D" So man does not have eternal life – one sin and man is dead to God – NO CHANCE FOR SALVATION Scripture teaches Jews and Christians the promise of eternal life Why do you deny scriptureRP" I would argue the serpent made a false report.D" Evidently you deny the concept of repentance and forgiveness – strange religion this SDAR" Dave, did the serpent negate God's declaration "thou shalt surely die" ? Is this true or not? The answer is Y or N? Serpent said "thou shalt NOT surely die" This is opposing God's words. Is this true or not? The answer is Y or N? D" Your library is not the cherrished Temple Scrolls – absolute nonsenseR" What? My Bible is electronic these days? So what is in your library? DO you have one? I met a Pastor once who had over 10,000 books, and he says he reads all of them at least once every several years. My library is the www these days Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 26, 2022 18:35:40 GMT -5
D" Double speak – we are only empowered by the Spirit of God – man has no spirit of his own – if God withheld his spirit – man would fall over dead Now you have Saul – without the Spirit of the Lord – alive and available to an evil spirit You are not consistent – this is why your comments are UNREWARDING Who is Saul – standing there alive NOT being empowered by the Spirit of God According to you – Saul should have fallen over dead R" Why is this double speak?1- D"we are only empowered by the Spirit of God – man has no spirit of his own R" I have never said that? Again you do not read what I write. 2- D"if God withheld his spirit – man would fall over dead R" correct. Yes HELLO! – How can Saul be alive if God withheld the spirit OR – are you now teaching that satan has the power of life – satan is lifeD"Now you have Saul – without the Spirit of the Lord – alive and available to an evil spirit R" I see. But the "breath of life" does not leave Saul. You miss that.I believe in the soul – the spirit of man – you have been arguing against me and the spirit for 2.5 yearsThe Bible says Adam was sinless and perfect, the the only source of flow into Adam was perfection. Correct – you only have one choice – no options – zero chance to have Free Will – one Choice only OH – but Eve chose differently – NOT POSSIBLE ACCORDING TO YOUThe gun did not appear in your hand after you pulled the trigger You did not pull that trigger until you made the choiceD"Correct – they come from our own (yester ra)RP" I say the flows of RA -come from SatanCorrect – you have someone else to blame – satan made you do itR" Well at least we have two equally defined views. Jas 1:12 Happy is the one who endures testing, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love Him. Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”—for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself tempts no one. Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death. Jas 1:16 Do not be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. Jas 1:18 By His will, He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all He created. NO SATAN MENTIONED HERE – this is James – the brother of Jesus – a Gnostic authorJas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. We are dragged away by biology – world – physical wants and desires – greed - selfishnessAnd if you wish to get me to remove ALL of Mrs white as a Faithful Hebrew to English translator, all you have to do is find a single case where she translates wrongly.Caesar’s Messiah – show me where they do not translate scripture correctly = even once----------------------- RP"I would argue the serpent negated God's declaration, "thou shall sure die". D" So man does not have eternal life – one sin and man is dead to God – NO CHANCE FOR SALVATION Scripture teaches Jews and Christians the promise of eternal life Why do you deny scripture RP" I would argue the serpent made a false report. D" Evidently you deny the concept of repentance and forgiveness – strange religion this SDA R" Dave, did the serpent negate God's declaration "thou shalt surely die" ? Is this true or not? The answer is Y or N?NO – AND I FULLY 100% BELIEVE in repentance and salvation to eternal lifeSerpent said "thou shalt NOT surely die" This is opposing God's words. Is this true or not? The answer is Y or N?Absolutely NOTJoh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 5:21:09 GMT -5
D"HELLO! – How can Saul be alive if God withheld the spirit OR – are you now teaching that satan has the power of life – satan is life R" The verse doesn't say GOD took away THE HS.
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Notice all the several functions of the HS
Ge 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, "nashamah/ruwach" for "chay"
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life "chayah".
This is a different function "shadday/ruwach" for "chayah"
If you look at the verse in question, is the medium administrating the "chay" or the "chayah"
These are different Hebrew words with different meaning.
chay means life - technically since sin, "a probationary life" chayah means "ongoing living"
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
The function in the verse is the idea of salvation and development of character, not talking about the breath of life, but the breath of living, or the breath of salvation. (Normally for believers the HS administrates both functions)
(normally for wicked people the HS only administrates one function)
The opposer you mention cannot empower us with chay. No creature has this power. Only God is life, and has living.
However the breath of salvation is a different matter. The opposer can claim to be a strong authority of salvation and saving people to have ongoing living through His system, after all the opposer has not died yet, so He feels his power is eternal. He also thinks His kingdom is also eternal. So the HS still empowers "CHAY" in Saul, but the verse is talking about a change of "CHAYAH" from one strong authority to another false strong authority. This is why your claim with the devil being a created creature is false because the devil/ shedim asked Jesus to worship the Devil. That proves the devil has a false power of chayah, the ability to grant ongoing living to those He likes. And had Jesus agreed, than the kingdom of sinning would have been eternal. But Jesus did not agree, so Jesus defeated the Devil's claim, and so his claim to grant chayah to anybody he wishes is now false.
So only Jesus can grant chayah to sinners, because Jesus paid the price for mischief. Hope this helps you to see this. D" OH – but Eve chose differently – NOT POSSIBLE ACCORDING TO YOU The gun did not appear in your hand after you pulled the trigger You did not pull that trigger until you made the choice R" You think having yester ra already in you implies you can make a choice. This is a false idea. I do not need to hate to experience hate. All I need to do is to stop loving and I will experience the opposite of love, which is hate. I can experience darkness, simply by walking away from the light. I don not have to have darkness already in me to allow the choice to occur. Your reasoning is false.
You can kill people with words, a gun is not required. The ARUWM "twisted head" opposed God's words he spoke the word "NOT"
THis is opposing God's words. When Eve heard the word "NOT" she felt inside, nobody has ever challenged God's words before? Can I really say no to God? Would I want to? There was a battle inside of her. Think of Eve, nobody in her entire life ever said no, ever challenged the words of another... here is a talking serpent speaking "no" to God's words? Eve had words already.The serpent had words already. Therefore they had a "gun", your logic .... words can kill.
And what the devil spoke to Eve, killed her mind in many subtle ways. He started using the gun in a double negative....
how many of us use a double negative correctly "Did not God say you can eat of the trees in the garden"?
He is the word "not" the words were loaded with a bullet.
"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
I see a bullet loaded in the gun, a creature us speaking words that have negation "not" And it's a double negative question?
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D"Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. NO SATAN MENTIONED HERE – this is James – the brother of Jesus – a Gnostic author We are dragged away by biology – world – physical wants and desires – greed - selfishness R" OK but have you looked ALL the lines upon line on this theme? No you quoted only the ones you like and you ignore the others.
Question: What desires did Jesus have in our world to entice Him to sin? How come the devil tried three times to get Jesus to sin? But Jesus never sinned? So yes some of us can be tempted to sin simply by the world. Others like Jesus require something greater than the world and our own desires.
Who tempted Eve to sin? Her own desires? Hardly. The serpent caused her to sin.
Who tempted Jesus to sin and worship the kingdoms of the world? His own desires? hardly, the Devil called Satan tempted Jesus to sin.
Come on Dave read all the Scripture.
Who tempted Judas to betray Jesus? His own selfish desire for money? Maybe, but Scripture adds a strong authority too, called the Opposer. --------------
D"Caesar’s Messiah – show me where they do not translate scripture correctly = even once R" Is that your best answer. I am honest with you, gave you two examples, where I almost gave up on Ellen White. DO Jews speak of the twur and cela rocks of salvation ? I doubt they do. But Mrs WHite does. What is the probability for a grade 8 English person knowing Hebrew to come up with this insight, that Jews have naturally, but do not investigate themselves? Mrs White never understood Hebrew, she only wrote what God told her to write.
D"NO – AND I FULLY 100% BELIEVE in repentance and salvation to eternal life R" Oh, so you are saying the serpent knew God would have saved the humans and not have them dying die, so what the serpent said was complete truth, nothing would dying die. Is that your understanding? Well think of this?
What dying died that very day? A sheep did.
What else dying died that day? The universe did, it started to experience entropy and decay.
Did the serpent dying die that very day ? Yes, snakes could not fly
God spoke a death sentence to the serpent. I will let you strike me first, but I will strike you last.
Did the couple who sinned dying die immediately? Yes, the HS shrank around them," dying for them"
Here is the full verse about this
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
So I disagree with you, the serpent lied. God said if mischief happens lots of things will die, and this dying consequence is eternal and final.
Jesus had to experience the dying, the mischief maker experiences the dying, Adam and Eve experience the dying, the universe experiences the dying and even God experiences the dying as well.
I cannot see why you would say NO. Sure God saved the humans, but that is a different theme. The question I asked is, did the serpent negate God's words? God words were "you will die", the devil said you will not die. The fact is, lots of things died when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, so God's words are true. Salvation is a different theme, but first things FIRST, lots of beings had to die because the law demanded this.
D"Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. R" Yes, the humans don;t die, but our Saviour died. So you are wrong, many things died when Adam ate the fruit.
The HS died, ie shrank around the humans The Father died, ie cried because the missing flooded all Creation bring on entropy The SON died, to redeem the death sentence from mischief The serpent also WILL DIE, in the end because the penalty of mischief is eternal death.
Salvation is a different theme, God can forgive because God is kind, but the laws cannot be changed.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 27, 2022 10:00:06 GMT -5
D"HELLO! – How can Saul be alive if God withheld the spirit OR – are you now teaching that satan has the power of life – satan is life R" The verse doesn't say GOD took away THE HS.
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul,
The Spirit of the Lord is Holy - absolute rejection of your 4 god pantheon
R" You think having yester ra already in you implies you can make a choice. This is a false idea. I do not need to hate to experience hate. All I need to do is to stop loving and I will experience the opposite of love, which is hate.
WORD GAME – you refuse to accept the Hebrew definition of (yester ra) – so you can just talk about Catholic evil
Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.”
Hebrew (yester ra) - self preservation and the survival of the species Why do you consider this commandment to be RA? - Catholic evil? Why do you consider it a sin to obey God
WORD GAME – you refuse to accept the Hebrew definition of (yester ra) – so you can just talk about Catholic evil
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Question: What desires did Jesus have in our world to entice Him to sin? How come the devil tried three times to get Jesus to sin? But Jesus never sinned? So yes some of us can be tempted to sin simply by the world. Others like Jesus require something greater than the world and our own desires.
No one denies the role of the ARCHON – No one denies the role of the Beast of Revelation – that old serpent – that we call devils and satanas
Jews and Christian alike just deny that your satan is a god – the god of evil – that stood up and changed God’s Plan against God’s Will --------------
D"Caesar’s Messiah – show me where they do not translate scripture correctly = even once R" Is that your best answer. Your argument - - if they translate it correctly – then their view must be valid
D"NO – AND I FULLY 100% BELIEVE in repentance and salvation to eternal life R" Oh, so you are saying the serpent knew
God’s Plan was always God’s Plan from the beginning – before the foundations of the world Your teaching that your satan forced God to change His Plan and then God had to make a new Plan after Eve took a bite – as Ellen White teaches – IS NONSENSE
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 16:37:42 GMT -5
Dave
I see you completely ignore my discusssion and stubbornly stick to you own without further discussion, so I leave you to your brevity.
One thing you write challenges me
D"Jews and Christian alike just deny that your satan is a god
Hypothesis" Is the OPPOSER as god? Introduction: First we must define "god" ?
Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: The Hebrew word "el" is the smallest word to define "elohiym" as a "god", and the "most high "el"" is a fine definition of the highest power in the heavenly elohiym.
Ge 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, Here is "el shadday" describing "god"
Ge 31:29 It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: "Here humans have the power to be "el", to be like "god"
Ge 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Here is mentioned two "el", one associated with "ab" the provider and the other "shadday" with breasts and the womb, functions that are written as similes in human terms.
Ex 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
Here is another "el" termed "yashuah" the "el" who saves, who lives with the "father in heaven"
Summary, already we see "el" can mean many things
Three "el" are divine 1) el shadday, who functions as the HS 2)el ab aslo known as most high el, who functions as a father 3) el yashuah, also known as micha "el", who functions as a son
And there is mentioned human have powers like el, but we are not divine.
Now what else does "el" refer to ?
Ps 80:10 The hills were covered .. (with).. the goodly "'el" cedars ('erez).. (KJV)
The hills were covered (with) the strong authority of cedars
Trees are symbols of power (el) "strong authorites"
Discussion;
Now let's see what we can learn from "trees" who are symbols of "el power".
Ge 21:33 ¶ And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.
Abram plant trees as symbols of el power. Where does this idea come from? The trees of el power in Eden.
Isa 57:5 Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
Here the idol gods sought to create trees of el power, under the cela rocks too, completely opposing everything God established for Himself. Question: How many trees of el power were there in the middle of Eden? Answer: two
Ge 2:9 1) the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, 2) and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Question: Why is one tree termed tov and ra? Answer: This term suggests light/dark, hot/cold, clockwise/anticlockwise, love/hate etc. This suggests God and the oppose of GOD, an opposing principle.
There is a Hebrew word for this " ARUWM" the twisting head. Did a twisting head come to His tree of el power to tempt humans to become his subjects?
Notice the other tree is called "chay"
"Chay" is a symbol of food in the stomach, biological powers, flowing from GOD.
In fact both trees only offered biology as the first entity to man, not spirit as you claim.
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D"Your argument - - if they translate it correctly
R" NO, I have placed Scripture to you face and you still argue....so you cannot even see the words in plain sight
For example "God said "ye will dying die"
Opposer said "ye will NOT dying die"
Somebody here is lying. Dave said the devil did not lie, OK so GOD is a liar according to Dave.
When Adam chose the ARUWM as their leader over GOD as their leader, all kinds of thing began dying die,
1) the universe began dying die 2) adam and eve began dying die 3) the HS and elohiym immediately felt the sin, and missing, defined as less of GOD flowing, so even GOD felt the dying die 4) The serpent had aspects of functions immediately switched off, than a promise he would be striked last.
Somebody lied that day, and it wasn't GOD.
Sure GOD managed to save Adam and Eve despite the terrible mess of dying they wrought. It cost God dearly to rescue them from dying, but the law said "if mischief happens" the mischief maker has to die. D"God’s Plan was always God’s Plan from the beginning – before the foundations of the world R" You imply God wanted to make sin enter the world, so God intentionally created sin and yester ra in humans so they could sin, and Eve saw she had to enter into the sin, to cause God's love to increase even more, even in tragedy. I find anybody suggesting this idea is sick. Why would God want to make an infinite sacrifice for sin, when He created sin?
It's mere role playing on your part, and God is just role playing? Sin is not something God created, It has no origin, no excuse. God is relational, and some aspects of love cannot be explained, such as free will. Nor can love be explained. Love has a risk associated with it. I woudl no dare to fully explain love or these qualities of God. God does not role play. This drama is no act, its a real battle over love.
SHalom
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